Jets Mafia Chat

[Coffee]

Post dem Jets night chats here.

[Mr. Hat]

Here's the first part of the Jets night one talk. Still not done. They talked a LOT more than the Sharks.

FYI Jets 3 is Clyde
[Jets 1]
Hey, if it's cool with everyone I'd like to be the Consigliere. I don't think I could pull off the epic levels of bs that a lawyer or ventriloquist would require. And the drug dealer doesn't really interest me as much. Does any one object?

Kenny
I don't particularly have that much faith in my scum skills.
I'll let the Godfather pick based on what he thinks. Or if we have a pro player here.

[Jets 2]
When you're a Jet, you're a jet all the way, from your first cigarette, to your last dying day.
Love West Side Story.

[NAME SPOILERS]

I might wanna be the Lawyer, but I may not be able to pull that off...

Maybe GF SHOULD pick after all...

GF
n, out, let's get crackin'

In regards to role choice, it's not going to matter terribly what you think you're good at as we will be coordinating and discussing our actions together anyhow. What I propose is that you choose roles based on which investigation pairing you think you can pull off.

For example, the relevant pairings for us are:

-Architect/Ventriloquist
-Investigator/Consigliere
- The drug dealer and Lawyer appear to be missing from the investigation list?

I will write more on that once we're told what the other pairings are.

The point is, the other players will KNOW that some roles are present for balance, aka the consig. Other roles they will most likely quickly suspect, aka the drug dealers. Ventriloquist, and lawyer are also semi-confirmed.

Therefore, whoever chooses consig should try and play from an investigator's perspective. The drug dealers should try and play from the perspective of their investigation pairing. The ventriloquist is one of the toughest ones, because his only pairing is the architect and if called out, you'll probably find it extremely difficult to convince anybody you're an architect.

Therefore, my suggestions are:

- An experienced, active player who likes to be very involved in day discussion should choose consig
- Somebody who likes to float under the radar and posts less than average should choose ventriloquist OR somebody who thinks they could really put this role to good use and has some good ideas
- The two least experienced players should choose the drug dealers OR whoever didn't get the other roles
- Not sure about lawyer yet. Will have to wait for the updated investigation pairings.

I think this will work. We have some powerful roles here.

I am happy to allocate if you can't decide.

Good luck team!

What are your forum names?

[Jets 2]
I guess I'll be a drug dealer then. Actually kinda interesting, can change the game if the message gets played right.

Kenny
I think I need some clarifications on exactly what Drug Dealer does.
I was under the impression that he merely goes "-drug BLANKITYBLANKBLANK" and False does his random.org magic and pops out a random visiting notification to BLANKITYBLANKBLANK.

[Jets 2]
that actually IS exactly what DD does.

funfunfun.

[Jets 2]
Our objective should probably be to find Maria ASAP. Then we win

Do we perform actions after picking roles, or do we nothing tonight?

Kenny'
[GF's forum account], since you're the GF, are you leaning toward any role you want for yourself?
You should probably get first picks.

GF
I will probably take the Ventriloquist, but I won't decide for sure til we find out the missing identities in our gang and the missing investigation pairings.

[Jets 3]
I wouldn't mind being Consig (due to SC2 mafia experience), Drug Dealer (sounds interesting), or Ventriloquist (also sounds interesting), personally.

Also, [FM account not in mafia] is online, but not invisible. Since that's a South Park character, I'm assuming he's involved in forum mafia. Since he's online during night chat, he might be someone to keep an eye on.

[Jets 2]
lol its 3 AM.

My first choice is Lawyer.
Second choice is Drug Dealer.
I will let [GF's forum account] decide.


Kenny
nless Yayap is on our team, (because from what I hear, he's a master at stalking mechanics) I'd be extremely wary about playing as Ventriloquist. If possible, someone whose time is really flexible and has two computers that can access the internet at the same time should play as Vent.
I'm still unsure which role I want, since it's literally my first time playing as scum, lol. For the record, I do have fairly terrible luck.

Ventriloquist seems really fun to play, but requires what seems to be an unreal amount of work. I'm a senior in high school and college apps are due soon. I can easily afford the time AFTER I turn in my application, but that won't be till a week later.
Drug Dealer seems the easiest, but considering my terrible luck, watch me send a block notification to someone who killed that night and succeeded lol. And then have a lookout follow that person too. -gets lynched the next day-
Lawyer and Consigliere is just meh.
Lol. Y NO EASY SCUM ROLES FOR SUMI TO PLAY??

[Jets 1]
Yo, I'm [Jets 1 forum account]. I'll probably end up talking a lot during the day chat so playing an investigator shouldn't be too hard, so yeah I'd still like to be the consig if that's up for grabs. I wonder why [FM account not in mafia] would turn his invisibility off? That doesn't seem very... mafia like.
.

Kenny
So for the Lawyer. If you changed their last will, I'm assuming you can 1. do this even if they're not killed that night and 2. not notify the victim that their last will has been changed. So what if the person submits a new last will after we've forged one? Do WE get notified they changed it again?

LOL Okay just have to share this with you guys.
You know that ad bar right on the top-ish part of the forum?
Well it just changed to an ad for the New York JETS. Ironic, isn't it?

[Jets 1]
Well, I just went back and checked over the rules and don't see it mentioned here so I'm a ask it now:

Does the Lawyer's action count as him visiting a person for the purposes of bus driving, witching, lookout, detective, etc.?

[Jets 2]
I do have two comps, but the worst schedule of all of you, I'm really busy all the time.
I should definitely not be Vent or Consig, cause they must be active. I can forge shit pretty well, (doesn't look fake) but I'm not sure it would be the best at throwing the game into confusion, which an experienced player could do with this.

-choose Drug Dealer

[Mr. Hat]

Here's the rest of the Jets night 1 chat
[Jets 1]
Alright well if we're just taking stuff:

-choose Consigliere

GF
[Jets 3], I'm going to assume from this quote that it's your first time playing forum mafia. There's no need to keep your identity secret. Nobody here's going to be looking down on the first timers. It would just be nice to know who's on our team. We have to work together 100% for any chance of winning this, and the first step in that has got to be trust.

Now, who are you?

I agree that this could be useful information, well done . However, it doesn't make me think mafia.

Somebody who is deliberately turning off invisibility and actively appearing during the mafia-only night screams citizen/ or neutral to me -
- think ghost looking to die
- or citizen trying to draw attention

[Jets 1]
Well if they're not in any of the open threads they could be trying to hide in plain sight. I remember last game I noticed McPwnage had invisibility off and wasn't reading any of the open threads. And it turned out he was Jesus, so you never know.

Kenny
I'm honestly not sure how much I want to trust that anymore. Claw was practically always doing that, which made me really suspicious of him, but he only turned out to be commoner jerking our chains.

It'll be much harder trying to stalk people now though, since turning invisibility OFF isn't as likely as people bothering turning it ON.
Any pro stalkers or mechanic abuse stalker catcher whateveryouwannacallthem-ers?

GF
I agree, it could just be another layer of WIFOM, but I don't think it should lean us toward mafia just yet.

In terms of a potential role list, we have this:

[Jets 2]: Drug dealer
[Jets 1]: Consig. ([Jets 3], I am only choosing [Jets 1] because he's an experienced player and I suspect consig is going to require a lot of delicacy to play this game. It is also probably, our most important role. You may turn out to be the best player on the team, but for now I'm simply going to choose the more experienced forum mafia player as there's little else to distinguish on.)
[GF]: I'm going to take Ventriloquist

That leaves one more Drug dealer and a Lawyer for [Jets 3] and Kenny to pick between.

Kenny
Ah. In that case, I do believe I'm leaning slightly toward a Lawyer then. (Still, depending on what role corresponds to this role. Lookout or something I hope.)
Forging other people's behavior isn't too terribly hard for me.
Especially since, assuming no one in town is going to reveal their real names, everyone's roleplay starts now, whether they choose to take on a new persona or keep their old one, no one can really tell (unless it's something dead obvious, like apparently Jack's, I quote, "unbridled arrogance" that gave him away? I dunno. Do we have any super seasoned players well in touch with the others in here?). Going through a few posts shouldn't be too terribly hard. And the dead can't complain about their last will being different, kufufufufufu... -evil Sumi laugh-

GF
In terms of night abilities we have:

2 + 1 confusing roles; ie they confuse our enemies

1 investigative role; probably the most important role as it's one of our best bets at catching enemy mafias

1 inactive role; the ventriloquist

My suggestions are:

Killing: The ventriloquist should perform all kills from Night 3 on. However, the lawyer should perform the kill Night 2 as there will be nothing to gain from changing anybody's will that night. This could be useful on the off chance that an Escort or a Detective gets lucky night 2 and will help foil them if they repeat the same target Night 3. Players tend to like to confirm a positive finding by repeating the action the subsequent night. If they get a different result, they may be confused.

If we use the consig to discover power roles, good or evil, we can the subsequent night kill the target and alter their will to spread misinformation amongst the town and the gang. I think this should be our default strategy. If we can get onto an Investigator/ other power role and alter their will it could do very good things for our cause. Keep in mind altering a mafia's will will not fool that mafia gang, rather it will confirm the presence of a Lawyer to them, so altering wills will be most useful when used on town roles who haven't made their info public yet.

Unfortunately drug dealing will be relatively hit and miss in the beginning but it will still be fun to fuck with people's minds a bit. Imagine targeting the same player with 2 sets of drugs.

I welcome your thoughts.

As soon as day breaks start pretending you're a townie. Pretend so hard that you fool yourself. Be mindful of the role you're trying to portray, and then think about how you would act were you that role. Eg. If you were an Investigator how would you act so that people would never suspect you were an investigator and attempt to kill you. That is how you should act. Don't over-play it though. You don't need to convince anybody you're a townie, you just are one, right?

2. In mafia chat we are a team. In day chat we are just other members of the town, we are not a team. Don't think of us as a team. Don't play like we're a team. If you feel there's evidence on the board or scum tells lying around then point them out EVEN IF THEY ACCUSE YOUR TEAM-MATES. If you can see a scum tell, chances are somebody else can too. If you can see blatant holes in any of our reasoning then point them out too. The town doesn't expect one mafia team to be arguing amongst itself in day chat.
3. If you find yourself in a sticky situation and you don't know how to reply, ask for help in the dedicated mafia chat and we can work together to indemnify you.

Okay the updated Investigation pairings are:

-Citizen/GF (Overrides night action investigation ex. GF is blackmailer he will still show up as Citizen/GF)
-Investigator/Consigliere
-Architect/Ventriloquist
-Enchantress/Witch/Drug Dealer
-Merchant/Masochist/Lawyer

With this in mind:

Drug dealer 1:[Jets 2]
Drug dealer 2: [Jets 3]
Ventriloquist: [GF]
Lawyer: Kenny
Consigliere: [Jets 3]

Let me know if you guys are happy with this?

I think the drug dealers can probably make a good go of pretending to be Enchantresses. I will appear in the citizen category, which is good because trying to fake an Architect is probably suicide. Kenny has 2 choices, but both of them are neutrals and tricky ones.

Best of luck.

[Jets 3]
I'm happy with that; I was leaning towards Drug Dealer anyway. Though a good point has been made about Kenny being pretty much doomed. In SC2 maf, picking "Kenny" as a name is a night 1 death sentence.

And to answer your previous question, I'm neither a first timer nor going to reveal myself. Why are you pushing so hard for a reveal of my forum identity?

Don't pretend to be town during the day - just forget that you are mafia. That's how I play it in SC2 maf - I just forget my role and pick a new town one, and then play normally. Self-deception is surprisingly important in this game.

GF
've also been thinking in regards to the Mayor elections tomorrow.

In my mind, it looks like a giant trap. Trying to make a play at it would probably do us more harm than good. In the end a Mayor is only as good as the information he has and if we can influence the information he receives and how he responds to it then we can control him. The roles we have are well suited to this.

I really think our enemies (town or mafia) will be on the lookout for a team trying to make a play at the election. That team will obviously be a mafia team because we're the only groups who've so far collaborated. I think our best bet is to limit our involvement and not try and get elected. Definitely we should not be actively supporting each other for nomination/ election. If by some miracle one of us does elected then good, so be it, but I really think that shouldn't be our goal here.

Instead we should take note of who does try and get nominated and who supports who, and maybe we might find something. Equally interesting, will be those who stay out of it.

I am open to alternative opinions. What do you guys think?

Also, good question to ask yourself is, were you really the Town role you're going to pretend to be, would you want to be elected Mayor? That may help influence how you play and respond once day starts.

[Jets 3]
I personally think one of our two Drug Dealers should be the killing role for the first few nights, given that we probably don't need both sets of misleading information. In fact, having the same person get targeted by both (imagine if they get the same result) makes it pretty painfully obvious that there are Drug Dealers in the game. Our best bet is stealth; I would almost recommend that the Drug Dealer not act until there's a confirmed investigative role on the table to fuck with. It also seems like a waste to have a unique role skip their night action in favor of killing. Even on night 1, Lawyer could be eminently useful depending on what is discovered tomorrow.

[Jets 1]
Well, based on the town leader election in m-fmII: the town leader doesn't really affect the game as badly as one might think, and yeah we the mafia just let other people fight over it. The ones that aggressively campaigned for it ended up looking like scum while the real scum just sat back and laughed.

I have to disagree with you [Jets 3] on the lawyer front though, I mean the first night the lawyer has no idea what the person's role is that they're changing the last will of, so there is zero useful information they can mess around with because they have no idea what the person would put in their last will anyway. It's kind of like how you said we should be stealthy with the drug dealers (which I do agree with, double-hitting someone does not seem like a really good tactic at all).

But yeah, night one there's nothing the Lawyer can really do, whereas the drug dealers can actively fuck with the town's heads, so it's probably better to have the Lawyer do the killing until we start finding people for them to mess with the last wills of.

Kenny
I can see myself abusing my namesake for sympathy and getting a town leadership position lol. Probably a bad idea though.
And I daresay a lookout or detective will be following me night 1 because they're following the train of thought that, if I'm not the Mafia, the mafia would take a shot at me for the lulz to say the "Oh my God! They killed Kenny!" deal. So bottom line is, be careful what you put me to do.
Also.
One thing I’d like to point out, guys. If it’s one thing I notice amongst all pros, it’s the tendency to cuss like crazy when provoked lol. And if they figure out you're pro, they'd gun you down first. So I ask you to restrain yourself for heaven’s sake and DO NOT SAY WIRTY DORDS. IF YOU DO I WILL PERSONALLY SEE TO IT THAT I STUFF YOUR MOUTH AND INTESTINAL ORGANS WITH SOAP WHEN I GET MY HANDS ON YOU, DO WE UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER.

GF
Sorry, I should have been more clear. The whole purpose behind this is just to be prepared for the situation where you're jailed or on the receiving end of a public demand for a role claim. If you've played with the role you're going to claim in mind until that point, then you'll find it easier to persuade the forum. There is no need to claim prematurely though.

[Jets 1]
Well, it's hard to say since the other games weren't anonymous, so people I think we're more naturally inclined to trust you. I was actually thinking that perhaps one way to overcome the stigma of your name is to talk how you normally do so people can go "Oh, that's Sumi, let's not kill her night one". I'm not saying day one go "I AM SUMI PLEASE LEAVE ME ALONE", but I don't know, maybe throw in some "^^" here and there.

In terms of your activity I think your generally active enough, but if you see some one say something you want to say, you can always quote it and then kind of add a "I totally agree with this person, for the following reasons:" that way you make your opinion on a given person or strategy known to everyone instead of just silently going "I totally agree with that guy".

Kenny
Lol I didn't know I had a distinct way of talking, other than threatening people with chainsaws.
Should I say something along the lines of "If you target me just so you can say "Oh my God! They killed Kenny!" I swear I will chunk a chainsaw at you."? It might give the impression that I'm not a smart player to make my identity so painfully obvious and thus make them think I'm not capable of staying under the radar as scum. Which, might garner some sympathy from them and not let them target a newb player night 2? And they might not read me as carefully if they think I'm not capable of much. It just might work. Better they know I'm Sumi than mistake me for someone who has enemies, like Auckmid or Dimwit or someone like that. But then again, maybe they'll think I'm someone else impersonating as me... -caught in self WIFOM- HRMMMM.

Anyway, thanks for the advice.

GF
f there is one thing I have learnt playing this game, it is that nobody plays forum mafia anything like they do Sc2.

I don't understand why you are concealing your identity unless you have something to hide. What could you have to hide from your own team?

[Jets 1]
Unless he's not on our team... DUN DUN DUN!

[Jets 2]
He could be lover...
Lover IS here...

*fists*

[Jets 1]
At this point, if night 1 is really just about picking mafia roles, and we've already picked ours, I have to ask: what's taking the sharks so damn long? I wonder if one of their people is AFK.

GF
I've noticed a fairly constant stream of people viewing the forum even when you guys don't seem to be online. I can't imagine many other players have much cause to be frequenting the forum tonight other than the Sharks so it seems as though they're certainly discussing something.

Maybe they're going to make a play for the elections tomorrow?

[Jets 1]
Either that or they don't realize this chat is going to be open during the day. I really can't see any other reason to talk as heavily about strategy before the game's even really started.

GF
You (he is referring to [Jets 3]) are either

a) the Lover not even trying to hide
b) a regular mafia messing with his own team

[Jets 2]
I was joking. (kinda)

But, it is true, if we kill the lovers, we win the game, cause we merge into 8:12 ratio.
w-w-w-winning.

We are all ridiculous.

Wait, a team is arguing amongst themselves...
DAMN YOU FALSETRUTHHHH

[Jets 3]
Wow; brilliant deduction! The person who is stirring up trouble and calling attention to himself is the role whose ONLY PURPOSE IN THE GAME is to avoid calling attention to itself.

You're a regular Sherlock Holmes. I'm glad we're in your capable hands, oh great harmonious leader.

If we're given anonymous accounts, why reveal who we are? That defeats the point. I don't understand why it's such a massive deal to you to know what my regular username is.

I'd also like to point out that [Jets 2] was the first person to accuse me of being one of the Lovers, and is thus suspect numero uno for being the Jets Lover in my book.


Kenny
Guys, guys. Internal conflict = deleterious to our survival. You saw how miscommunication within Rome brought its downfall last game.
We already have the town, a few neutrals, and the other Mafia against us. We don't need to pit ourselves against each other as well.
I personally have no reason for knowing who [Jets 3] is, since we'll find out after the game anyway lol.
Finding out now will let us know playing habits but it's whatevs for me.
Have you played a FM before, [Jets 3]? That's all I want to know.

[Jets 3]
As I'm pretty sure I've already stated, yes. I've also played a fuck ton of SC2 Mafia (sorry [GF], but it still counts as experience), and IRC mafia. So I know what I'm doing.

Count-up until [GF] disagrees with/insults EVERY post I've made since his last round of replies: 14 minutes and counting.

Since this is a clearly established theme already, I'm going to stop offering any sort of advice or opinion and just do what I'm told. If we lose, [GF] will only have himself to blame for being such a massive asshole on Night 1 (before the game has even started).

GF
I'm not trying to fight with him. On the contrary I've been trying my hardest to make peace.

He's just losing his shit.

[Jets 3]
No, you've been attacking everything that I say (even things not directly addressed to you) because you think I have no experience with forum mafia, and then trying to play the "I'm being rational yo" card, while barely able to hide your suspicions that you think I'm up to no good (for no other reason than, apparently, I won't tell you what my forum account is).

And snide little comments like "he's just losing his shit" are doing nothing to diffuse the situation.

Whatever. I'm done fighting with you. If this is how this game is going to go, I'll just give my spot to a reserve and go back to playing the SC2 mafia that you seem to hate so much.

EDIT:
In fact, that's what I will do. Already PMed game master about it. If this is how Night 1 went, I'd hate to imagine staying in the game with [Gf's forum account] in charge.

GF
I actually don't know what you're talking about anymore.

But whatever, do as you will.

[Jets 3]
Go look at your response to my first post in every topic. Especially relevant is the "Scum tips to avoid getting fried" topic, where you replied to my post ONLY to point out that all SC2 mafia experience is irrelevant.

I don't feel like dealing with your hostility. Bye.

[Jets 1]
Huh, that was a quick game. It's a shame to see you go, [Jets 3]. I had actually just typed up a post to try to get you to chill and stay with us, but it logged me out so I'm back to a blank slate.

Before you go, want to tell us who the other team's lover is? (kidding).

Lol I have a great feeling about this game. Now we can get SuicidalN00b!

[Jets 3]
I've been encouraged to stay, and have changed my mind.

[GF's forum account], don't fucking treat me like a child. Guaranteed to piss me off.

Moving on, the Sharks are taking for fucking ever.

[Jets 1]
Awwwwww but [Jets 3] is always the one that hates the group's schemes and tries to get out any chance he gets. If you had left, and Kenny got killed tomorrow night, we'd be doing the show justice.

Oh well, fine, I guess you can stay.

GF
Even though you may think I hate you (and I don't).

I'm glad you've decided to stay.

Kenny
Waaagh, I swear, if you jynx this, prepare to have your neck sawed off.

That said, I'm glad you're staying with us, [Jets 3].
Here's to a great game!

[Jets 1]
Don't worry, worst case scenario you die and then the rest of us lose the game for you. It's not like we haven't been there before ;).

UNLESS OF COURSE YOU'RE THE LOVER AND IF YOU DIE YOU LOSE.

On an unrelated note, I really want to see the shark's night chat. Mainly because I want to see their pages and pages of strategic discussion get fucked up after the horrors of the real night 1 lol.

[Jets 3]
Just imagine when they see the Jersey Shore-esque drama that is our Night Chat, though. xD

[Jets 1]
Lol I'd rather be a drama queen that gets shit done than whatever the fuck they're doing over there.

And that's why I'm a Jet for life.

[Jets 3]
They probably found some incredible game-breaking mechanic that will fuck us all over.

Or maybe they only post a letter at a time.

Kenny

Let's not make this a Rome retake lol.

UNLESS OF COURSE YOU'RE THE LOVER AND YOU HOPE I DIE.
.

On a related note to your unrelated note, didn't someone say a shark could be afk? Lol. I can see you charging into their domain after the game WHICH WE WILL WIN AS SCUM FOR ONCE.
"LET ME SEE ALL YOUR DISCUSSION- HEY THERE'S NOTHING HERE."
-Shark123 was afk for N1-
"FFFFFFFFFFFFUUUU"
-sees Sumi tossing a bar of soap-
"FFFfuh goodness sake..."

Okay I'm having waaay too much fun in this night chat lol.

[Jets 1]
Lol, yeah I feel like this is Random.Org's way of saying "hey guys, sorry about that last game, I was so wasted. Do over!"

Oh and [Jets 3] reminded me of something with his mention of game breaking mechanics. It's not quite game breaking, but I was thinking of a possible peace treaty we could establish with the Sharks.

It involves us both sending our GF out every night, and not targetting the other Mafia. Then after our GF gets sacrificed we put in his last will something along the lines of asking the Sharks to sac their GF. Then we each pick a member to sac, and form a combined team to wreak havoc on the town as a super group. And then the people that died will win with us as a giant happy family.

And it also means we don't have to worry about the lover mechanic THAT SUMI PROBABLY IS since the lover turns into a mafia during that "event". I don't know, I figure we could use our death note to see what the other team thinks?

[Jets 3]
Yeah, the Lover mechanic is really the hinge for this entire game. The sooner we find our Lover (and the Shark's Lover, preferably), the sooner we can have a super mafia. I'm not sure about the legitimacy of an alliance while the Lovers are alive, if only because eventually they will stab us in the back.

<insert anti-Shark bigotry here>

Kenny
Peace treaty? That's a possibility. An interesting way to have the Lover THAT [Jets 1's forum account] PROBABLY IS to win with the Mafia.
I'm not against it if it means we'll win. Though. The only problem I see is, KPN is decreased if we combine and if we sacrifice 2 members each, then we're down to a 6 Mafia party with one kill. I mean, I guess we've eliminated the hostility from an enemy Mafia. But with such a large town we might need the 2KPN to at least thin the crowd first.
It's an idea worth considering though.

[Jets 1]
That's why I figured it'd be a good thing to communicate to the Sharks via death note. That way we could kind of be like "hey guys we're going to just kill off town instead of targetting you guys, then when town's almost dead, we'll do mass suicides and form a super group and everyone can win, sound good?"

And if we keep communications open with them via deathnotes then we'll be able to coordinate it and prevent the lovers from having to backstab us.

[Mr. Hat]

The Jets are the more talkative of the two Mafia factions. Sorry if I keep on changing the format of the transcripts. I'm trying to find the easiest way to copy paste the posts from the lover chat to here.

Kenny
Is this an acceptable first post?

"Let me preface the day by saying this.
Go ahead and get your "Oh my God! They killed Kenny!" jokes out of the way, lest that be the reason for some idiotard shooting me first night.
I ask you to choose not to shoot the unfortunate person, namely, me, for a namesake decided by random.org.
Of course, if you want to be that jerk, there's nothing I can do to stop you. "

[Jets 1]
There's one problem with that though, and that's that your "good" role alternative to lawyer is masochist. So it'll actually be kind of awkward if you try not to get shot, since theoretically you'll be trying to claim masochist later.

I honestly don't know what to do, so go with god.

[Jets 2]
Now, how do I get elected mayor?

Kenny
I thought we were trying not to get elected lol...

Kenny
I'm just going to put it. My priority is surviving past night 2 lol... I'll deal with having to fudge my identity later when it comes to that.

[Jets 3]
Yeah, I'm not about to nominate anyone in our mafia.

[Jets 2]
I wanna get elected though.
Puts us in a great position.
We'll have 10 maf.
10 MAF.
AND THEN 13 WHEN WE KILL THE LOVERS.
13 MAF.

Kenny
Careful [Jets 3], you've said two dangerous things now. ;x
One about not being able to fake your identity.
And one about asking for role claims.

[Jets 3]
Eh. I'll back down if Big Gay Al keeps pushing me.

GF
Unfortunately I don't have time to read everything right now so let me know who are wise voting choices if you can
[Jets 3]
I would avoid voting if I were you. Wait until a strong, obviously town candidate steps forward and vote for them. So far, all the voting has been random, there has been a lot of trolling/joking around, and very little has actually been accomplished. It also seems very likely that [Jets 1] will be elected, which means he will be checked very quickly and discovered. Dx

EDIT:
In fact, we need to do EVERYTHING in our power to make sure [Jets 1] is not the person who is elected.

[Jets 3]
I say we push for Tweek Tweak to be elected. He seems a bit scummy to me and has 2 votes, so it'd be easy to make him a candidate. He is also trying very hard to get elected. If he wants it bad enough, there's a chance he's up to no good.

[Jets 1]
Lol I honestly did not expect people to start voting me, but it's okay. Because if a sheriff invests me night 1 I'll say it was on obvious frame job. And then I'll hint that I did a subtle roleclaim day 1 with my Inspector [Jets 1] reference. Which I suspect is why some people have been voting me.

Also, a couple of notes. I'm pretty sure Big Gay Al is maf because of his aggressive nature towards [Jets 3]. And Tweek is another possible maf because of his attention to the night time activity of the forum. Why was he in the forum at that time if he wasn't doing anything with the maf? Seems fishy to me.

[Jets 3]
Also, Tweek is Nick.

[Jets 2]
Mr. Hat is Dust.
I suggest we take him out.
Unless someone used his speech format from M-FM III.

[Jets 3]
[Jets 2], he said that he ripped it off directly from an M-FM, so it could be anyone. Nick, however, is 100% confirmed to be Tweek.

[Jets 2]
Didn't see that. Mmk.

[Jets 3]
I am strongly convinced that Big Gay Al is scum. All of his posts have stirred up confusion and attacked people without suggesting alternatives (aside from reveal our COM identities and vote up the most popular person). His most recent post is just a copy/paste of my tally with two votes deleted accusing me of not keeping track correctly. I think we should fast-track him for being shot in the face.

[Jets 3]
Also, I REALLY think we should consider having [Jets 1] drop out. Al is pushing for him to be checked. If he comes back Mafia, even with the "I was framed" defense, Al will push for a lynch because he's paranoid (one of the reason I think he's a Shark / some type of scum). Al is NOT going to allow [Jets 1] to get away with being Mayor. While he's around, none of us should be in a town position of power. Al is claiming Mafia buddying when literally NONE of us have voted for [Jets 1]; that seems to speak for itself. He is convinced, and a check coming back to confirm it will only lead to problems for us.

[Jets 3]
None of us except [Jets 2], that is. [Jets 2], I'd recommend un-nominating [Jets 1].

[Jets 2]
So, should we pick off Big Gay Al tomorrow?
Or WIFOM our way out of this?

[Jets 3]
I say kill him. He's an ass, and he's more trouble than he's worth.

[Jets 1]
I agree, we should kill him and invest Tweek. I can't really drop out of the race though, otherwise it'll be like "huh, someone said he might be scum and should be checked out/locked up, and then he dropped out". I feel like that'll make me look more guilty than anything else.

[Jets 3]
By "drop out" I mean use our influence to make sure you don't get enough nominations. [Jets 2] seems to control a small percentage of the vote (his supporters), and there are already people lobbying around me. GF hasn't been active during day, so he can't exert as much influence. However, [Jets 2] and I combined being vocal about nominating someone else could probably sway it. I guess either way, you get a lot of attention called to you, so it's your choice. I just don't wanna see you lynched. xD
[Jets 2]
I have supporters?


But, I actually am going to be gone for about 2 hours, driving to my grandparent's house for Xmas.
Adieu.

[Jets 2]
Although there is the pubbie mindset of "Big Gay Al wanted to kill [Jets 1] and he died. [Jets 1] maf!!!111!!!!1!!!!11!"

I will try to get Tweek on the stand, he seems non-important enough...

Kenny
I'm still debating whether we want to take the risk and just have someone nominated. Extra 4 votes comes very handy, but at the cost of close scrutiny. Hrmm.
By the way, [Jets 3], because I'm used to playing town 24/7, your defensive nature against Al is making you seem very scummy. If at all cost, we do NOT need to kill him for fear that they indeed will trace it back to us. I mean, sure, you can kill him and then spread WIFOM, but why take that chance. Even if it means hurting your pride, guys, I do not suggest rebelling against someone for long periods of time. In a heat of anger, you'll reveal something you don't mean to. Seen it happen way too many times, and it's happened to me.

[Jets 3]
Yeah, I'm going to avoid talking to Al from now on. He just seems determined to pick fights; I will work on being less defensive.

Also, guys, make sure to review Mayor description. He DOESN'T get extra votes - he gets to force a double lynch (e.g. lynch 2 mafia instead of 1).

Kenny
Nowaizors! I was sure I read somewhere he got 5 votes instead of 1. D: But now that I check...

[Jets 3]
Holy shit! You're right. He gets 5 votes AND can double-lynch. Wow; that's incredibly OP. Dx

Kenny
He is. We need to carefully consider if we want a shot at mayor.
Anyone here who can hold up to scrutiny? Lol.

[Mr. Hat]

Some more of their stuffs

[Jets 3]
Holy shit. Big Gay Al is a serious threat.

Kenny
Lol, did he figure you out?

[Jets 3]
He read me like a god damn book.

Kenny
Lol, I agree, Al is one to be feared. Perhaps he's DR himself? Heh.
We know for a fact he's played in almost every FM from the beginning though. Can anyone compile a list of who those people are?

[GF]
Dr hasn't played in a number of the forum mafias but I think he has read through them. Philie and claw are longtime dangerous players. Mcdaniels reminds me of them.

Kenny
If McDaniels is Zack, then yes, you would be correct in your assumption.
DR is a registered player in this game, so we have to take that into account probably somewhere.
Philie and Claw. How2dealwiththem? xD

[GF]
We can kill them

[GF]
I don't want you guys to nominate me.


For now I want to appear over eager and keen.

Kenny
Let's shoot Bradley tonight.
1. He spelled my name wrong.
2. He called me a roleplaying pony.
My chainsaw is out for his blood now.

[Jets 3]
My vote still goes for Al, personally.

We also need to start looking for signs that people are investigative roles, so that Drug Dealers can neutralize their results.

[Jets 1]
It looks like Big Gay Al is going to end up winning the election for mayor, with tweek as his pardoner. I think we should actually reverse it: kill tweek, and let Al stay mayor.

As mayor, he'll likely be healed night one, and investigated. So if he is scum like we think, then he'll get lynched during the day anyway. If he's not scum, then we'll probably know the identity of the investigator that checked him, and find out what his role is anyway. Then we can take him and the investigator out.

[Jets 1]
Whoever the lover on our team is is a dick btw, if Cartman is telling the truth. I offered a way for all of us to win, lovers included, and now Cartman is hinting that I'm scum. WTF?

Kenny
I can't tell if Cartman is stupid, wants his butt thrown out for gamethrowing, or is a masochist or veteran trying to fish for Mafia shots...

[Jets 2]
Well, Wendy also claimed lover.
The lover is in this sub-forum, so one of them has to be faking.
Don't target either of them.
Possibru veterans.

Kenny
Lol I love how [Jets 3] is being trusted without trying. xD
It would be interesting having a Mafia pardoner, that's for sure.

[Jets 1]
There are no veterans. I think we should kill Cartman tonight. I'm pretty sure [Jets 2]'s our lover, and Cartman is his partner. And if I'm wrong, well hey we shot a masochist (the only other role that would want to openly claim lover). Town doesn't seem to trust him, and any docs are likely going to pile on to Big Gay Al, the mayor.

So fuck it, I say we go for Cartman.

[Mr. Hat]

Jets GF
Start discussing who you want to target with your various abilities tonight.

I know a number of you have suggested targets for killing tonight, but I intend to target somebody well and truly off the radar. I don't want our killer running into anybody unexpected tonight and needlessly endangering themselves.
eg. running into a lookout, spree killer, doctor's heal, or even a busdriver who manages to swap our target with one of us/a citizen or neutral. From Day 1 I do not believe there is sufficient evidence to reliably discern worthy power role targets amongst the active players. On the other hand, I do think we've got a chance of finding one amongst the quieter players. With this in mind, I may choose the target myself.

I want to hear the most debate on subjects for the Consigliere and Drug dealing.

I still think the Lawyer is a good killer for tonight, and I can take over his job tomorrow night. I'm also open to using the 2nd Drug dealer instead for the killer if you guys still don't want to use both of them tonight.

Nobody's should go anywhere near Cartman. It's a guaranteed suicide mission.

[Jets 3], I'm curious who you're going to vote for in the election? I know you've stated you don't want to be elected in the daychat so that may excuse you if you don't vote for yourself, but on the other hand I wonder if it will make people question themselves as to why you didn't want to be Mayor. It's upto you of course what to do, but I am curious what your plan is.

[Jets 3] also suggested we vote for Al and it's a good idea. Possibly 1/2 of us should vote for McDaniels (assuming he becomes a candidate) as well to hide our tracks.

[Jets 1]
Going near Cartman is NOT a guaranteed suicide mission. I can practically guarantee that Big Gay Al will be the subject of the spree killer's attention. Cartman on the other hand is going to be the subject of one person: the jailor and as far as I know, the spree killer's attack wouldn't affect the jailor since he kidnaps Cartman at the start of the night. And no one else is going to attack Cartman because they know he's getting jailed, which means a lookout probably won't be watching him because they won't know they won't be seeing anything. And if a lookout does see me visit Cartman at night for some inexplicable reason, I'll just explain that I'm an investigator trying to verify Cartman's claim. Which is what I'm doing anyway.

If Cartman is a lover, then I'll tell you in our secret chat and then you can take him out and merge to win the game after my death. If he's telling the truth we're pretty fucked anyway once he reveals everybody, so it's probably best to get that information now. Especially if Cartman makes a deal to not out everyone in the town (i.e make it look like he was lying) but then the jailor secretly kills off the mafia members each night with his now complete list.

I want you to seriously consider that possibility. Because without any investigative evidence, we'd have no choice but to believe Cartman was bsing during the day. And the only people that would know that he wasn't would be his own team, who can't kill him anyway. Finding out whether or not he is 100% a lover is incredibly important to set the tone of the rest of this game. I agree we shouldn't kill him tonight, but investigating him is an absolute must.

In terms of using a killer it's probably best to use the lawyer since it's not useful to us at all tonight and it can't really mess people up too much in this game anyway since their roles show up in the graveyard and they can change their will each night anyway. Whether or not you guys want to use both drug dealers is up to you but personally I don't see a reason not to. It would require a lot of town roles to claim in order to reveal any possible double ups before they came to the drug dealer conclusion.

You can kill whoever you want, though I'd suggest someone like Shelley. They seem like they're pretty good, and their frustration with the day 1 events means they're some kind of town role. Plus they didn't really make any friends in the day chat so I doubt they'll be the focus of anyone else's attention.

GF
I appreciate what you're saying, but I'm going to try and convince you to change your mind.

Think about what we have to gain from investigating Cartman:
1. We learn he fits into the Lover category. If this is the case and he's telling the jailor everything then you're right gg and there's nothing we can do anyhow.
2. He's not a Lover, which means he's fucking with people, which means he's helping us, which means he's not our concern.

The jailor can only kill at night when there has been no lynch during the day. After day 1 this is unlikely to occur again. This means that the Jailor has to reveal his information publicly in order to bring about a death.

Even if Cartman does fit into the Lover investigation category any doc, subsequent jail, bodyguard, etc could prevent us from successfully killing him.

Lastly, even if you do investigate him, the best you can hope for is Godfather/ Citizen/ Lover category, which only proves that he fits into the largest investigation category in the game not that he is in fact a Lover. It's actually a genius citizen play because it draws a hell of a lot of mafia attention to a meatshield Town role.

If I was a Spree Killer I would visit Cartman even despite the jailor's prisoner immunity. The people who are most likely to be visiting Cartman are investigative roles (like yourself). These are the people the Spree Killer wants dead first because they're the people who can find him. Cartman also represents the single player most likely to garner attention tonight. I agree Al is likely to be visited by players too, but the Spree Killer could act either way.


[Jets 1]
Okay, let's run through the two scenarios. Again.

If Cartman is NOT a lover
1) Then he's not a town, since he's creating confusion and wasting the jailor's ability for a night, and drawing the spotlight on himself instead of possible scum

2) He's also psychic, since he was right when, at the time, he said that one of the 3 people running for mayor (me, Big Gay Al, Tweek) was scum.

3) Since he's not town, we can conclude he's not the citizen if the cit/gf/lover result comes up.

4) Following the logic of #3, then we would be able to conclude that he's the GF of the other team. So we would find and remove the GF of the enemy mafia. And this... is a bad thing?

5) If he does not come up as a lover, and we have confirmation that his findings are just ramblings trying to gain attention, we know to ignore him for the rest of the game, but the rest of town won't. They'll still be hanging on to his every word like it's the gospel, while we strategize our next move freely. Or we're going to spend every night going through this same argument as Cartman continues to feed the town and jailor information, and we'll have no idea whether or not we're completely fucked.

If Cartman IS a lover
1) Then we'll know that he is our top priority tomorrow night.

2) Once we kill him, the traitor in our own mafia will commit suicide.

3) We'll get a shit load of people on our team. I know you guys disagree with having a team of, what, 8 mafia over a team of 5, but I still find it preferable.

4) We'll stop Cartman from revealing any more night actions. It's bad enough that he revealed the other team's roles, since we're operating under the fact that he's telling the truth in this section. The last thing we need is for him to reveal the night actions of both teams, ours and theirs, every night.

5) We're probably fucked anyway, might as well know it so I don't waste time trying to BS a day chat that has us all pegged.

If I was a spree killer I would visit Big Gay Al or Tweek, as both were accused of being scum, and are both in the running for mayor, with Big Gay Al the clear winner. One of them is likely to be checked tonight by the investigator(s) and healed and bodyguarded, etc. If the spree killer goes for one of them he'll be guaranteed several kills. Going for Cartman will net him what? Maybe one or two investigators. I think you're more paranoid about Cartman being the target of the spree killer because you know I'm going to go there. The Spree Killer does not know this.

And don't forget that no lynch days are pretty easy in a setup with this many people. Look how hard it was to get lynches off last FM, it was like pulling teeth regardless of the target. When there's so many people in a setup, and a considerable portion lurkers, it's hard to get a large majority as compared to a smaller game.

GF
The last FM was retarded. In every other FM there is a lynch every day.

I don't know you're going to visit him because I can order you to go where I decide.

The insinuation has been not that Cartman would reveal our actions but rather that he would reveal our roles. Is this true? If so then it only takes one night. eg. tonight for us to be fucked.

If he is Lover then what's to stop the Jailor just jailiing him again tomorrow night and rendering him immune from our attacks?

How does killing a Lover help us when all of our identities have already been revealed?

You think that he can't be a Citizen? Wasting a jailor's abilities for a night is an excellent trade-off for diverting the mafia's attentions. Additionally he gets to confer with the jailor and discuss who knows what.

[Jets 3] and I have already come to the conclusion that Cartman is not the Lover, which following our reasoning means we're simply investigating a likely neutral, which will help us little.

You feel as though you are compelled to visit Cartman which makes Cartman a perfect target for the Spree Killer because of the high chance he hits a consigliere. He wants to hit a consigliere especially because if his identity is revealed to the mafia it is guaranteed he will not surive to the end which he needs to do to win. I assume town investigators will be smarter than to be visiting any of the mayor candidates. For one, they make excellent targets for the framer, and two finding out what the mayor may be is relatively unimportant at this stage of the game. A mayor even in evil hands is not an enormous threat to the Town just yet.


[Jets 3]
[GF], your post just made me think of something...

We've been racking our brains for roles Cartman could be aside from Masochist, Lover, and regular Shark, and so far have come up with nothing. What if Cartman really IS a Citizen? He makes a lot of noise by pretending to be a Lover, gets targeted by BOTH mafia teams in some way (either through killing or investigation), and is pretty much a shoe-in for a Spree Killer targeting. Boom; instant 2-3 mafia kills, possibly more if more scum target him. In the meantime, he's invulnerable in jail, and thus can't take any real damage from the ploy.

Anyways, we should stay away from Cartman and Al, imo.



No offense, [Jets 1], but it seems like most of the town ALREADY has you pegged for scum. No one is going to believe an Invest claim from you after today. Your campaign for Mayor made too many people mistrust you.



I feel like we've been over this. Early merge = bad for us, not winning.



As [GF] pointed out, it would be far from 100%. With 2 GFs, 11 Citizens, and 2 Lovers (15/36), we would know with roughly 42% certainty.

I agree on the Lawyer for the kill tonight. As for the Drug Dealers, at least one of us should act. However, I don't think we both should. [Jets 2] has a lower profile than I do, so I think it should be him rather than me. As for targets, not sure about that.

I agree that Shelley might be a good choice for a kill.

As for voting, I plan to vote for Big Gay Al. We should do a 3/2 split between Big Gay Al and McDaniels, or a 3/1/1 between Al, McDaniels, and myself, whichever you guys prefer. The bigger the spread, the less likely we will be seen as a unified group. With Al, enough people expressed support that it won't be too surprising if he wins by a significant lead.

If people question why I didn't vote for myself, I have two reasons in mind; input would be nice. First, I could simply say that I didn't realize it was an option, and that I thought we HAD to vote for someone other than ourselves. Second, I could again reiterate that I never wanted to be elected Mayor, and that I thought Big Gay Al would do a better job scumhunting than I would. What do you guys think?

Finally, [GF], I was just wondering... who is your Ventriloquist smurf? I was trying to figure it out during the daytime, but for the life of me couldn't. It might help us to know something like that.

[Jets 1]
I understand that you and [Jets 3] have come to the conclusion that Cartman is lying, but I have not. For one, look at [Jets 2]. He tried to divert our attention away from Cartman and then when I called him out as the lover he stopped speaking entirely here. Maybe he's just AFK or maybe he knows we found him out. If Cartman is the lover and he gets jailed twice in a row, then yeah we're fucked. But that's something entirely out of our control at that point. I mean do you opt to not do anything when you find a sheriff out of fear the jailor will jail him to protect him at night? Frankly, I've never seen that strategy used but it is a possibility. I personally think that given the information we have at hand we should investigate Cartman to find out what exactly is going on so we can be better informed about our next move.

Knowledge is power, especially for the mafia, and if we're expected to play to our best abilities then we can't be making strategies with a giant question mark on the field. It's like playing chess where you don't know whether that's a queen or a pawn next to your king. You're probably fucked if it's a queen, but it's better to know and adapt than assume it's a pawn and get fucked.

I didn't know you had final say on our targets, so you're right then, you make the call, not me. So what the fuck am I even doing arguing with you at this point if you're just going to overrule my decision. I get that you already have one smurf but if you want two that's fine, override my decision and do whatever you want to do despite my input. I just assumed, incorrectly I guess, that when we picked our roles we were doing so to play to our strengths. Apparently you could've random.org'd them though for all you care.

And [Jets 3], I just saw your post. Now you're telling me that investigating Cartman is a bad idea, when in the "Cartman Problem" you agreed that I should investigate Cartman tonight. I'm confused.

[Jets 3]
[Jets 1], I'm going to go through your last post bit-by-bit so we can maybe finally see eye-to-eye. What this team DOESN'T need is strife; we all need to get on the same page here.



Yeah, because NO town roles are supposed to draw the spotlight onto themselves rather than onto other, more powerful town roles... EXCEPT CITIZEN, which comprises of more than half of the town.



And yet I'm fairly convinced that either Al or Tweek is scum. It's not really that tough to guess - I mean, the MAJORITY of the town guessed that you were scum LONG before Cartman spoke up.



See above.



See above.



If he's the GF, we would have no way of knowing for sure. Beyond that, TOWN would have no way of distinguishing himself from a Lover, which would mean the Sharks have effectively gotten into bed with the town. But we could never know for sure based on your result, which means we would only speculate and argue (like we're doing now) more, wasting precious time and energy (like we're doing now).



Then again, if we wait until tomorrow, I can ask him to provide the list of roles for the Mafia that he didn't already give (e.g. us) and we'll know if he's lying or not for sure (whereas your method would leave a margin of error of more than 50%). In fact, my way of finding out his real identity is a hell of a lot more precise than yours, and frees you up to check someone else. Funny how that works out, isn't it?



Tomorrow night, when he gets BG'd, healed, jailed again, Spree Killer targeted, etc.? You mean that tomorrow night? If he really IS the Lover, he's untouchable for the rest of the game, until town is dead and can't protect him.



Thus reducing the total Mafia KPN and quadrupling the amount of people we have to kill.



Yeah, a team of 8 mafia versus a team of 20 town + neutrals, with only 1 kill per night. Sounds like a great way to lose.



Not really any way we can stop him if he's dead (and thus proven to be a Lover, and thus correct). If he dies, the Jailor will reveal all of our names. We will all be lynched or killed. Game over.

If he's alive, we can slowly work to tarnish his reputation, sow doubt in the minds of the town about his claims, and discredit him. And he will have no way of proving us wrong, because if we're subtle enough, he won't be able to tell town who to lynch without risking a modkill and loss.



Yeah, that way we could all just reveal and game-throw instead of playing out the game. Great idea.



The Spree Killer doesn't have to be a rocket scientist to know that the Mafia team that Cartman doesn't belong to will want to know for damn sure whether or not he is actually a Lover, as will the town.

Frankly, we don't KNOW who the Spree Killer will target. There is a list of probable targets, and Cartman is pretty high up on it, along with Big Gay Al and Tweek. All the more reason to not target ANYONE on that list.

Are we on the same page now? Or do we need to keep arguing about this for the rest of night chat, and not have a chance to strategize? Because this shit is setting us back.


[Jets 3]
And yet, [Jets 2] isn't in here sowing mistrust and confusion.

I'm not going to speculate on our Lover until we have information. We won't have that until tomorrow.

However, there is one good candidate in my mind - someone who doesn't seem to be working in the group's best interests.



No, I opt to find and kill the jailor. Christ. Have you played Mafia before?



Why don't we just put it to a vote? If you lose the vote, please shut up about it.



Bad metaphors aren't going to help us pick night targets.



Apparently, night 1 was my night to be butthurt over [GF]'s decision making. Night 2 is yours. Get over it and be a team player.



It's called a rapidly changing situation. I hadn't thought of the possibility that Cartman is a Citizen doing all of this SOLELY to get targeted by a Spree Killer and wipe out the Mafia and scum. Since that is a possibility, I think we should avoid visiting him. Again, we will know 100% whether or not he is a Lover tomorrow when I ask him what the roles are for the Mafia that he's not a part of. Checking him tonight when we will know for sure tomorrow is a stupid idea and a waste of time. Get over it.


[Jets 1]
Alright yeah, like I said I have no control over the situation so pick whatever you guys think is best. I have submitted my opinion and there's no point in arguing about it anymore. So you two can do what you want and I won't say another word about it.

Edit: Wow, I like how when you got pissy and threatened to quit I didn't give a dick attitude to you, I told you to relax and stick with us. Interesting how when I'm of the dissenting opinion your attitude changes quite drastically. I thought that discussing strategies was an important part of this night chat. I've always found conflicting viewpoints to be an important part of forming strategies, because it forces you to fix holes in your own when you defend it. Apparently you want us all to just be 'yes men' though? Alright, I'm shutting up now.


[Jets 3]
It hasn't changed; I'm still getting pissy. Only this time, I don't have booze to calm me down.



I don't want blind agreement. You're just using the same arguments that you've been using since Cartman revealed to push for us to spend time on him. I don't understand why you are pushing for this SO HARD, and it feels like we're going in circles, repeating endlessly. If you could make me understand why you want us to spend time on Cartman so much, I wouldn't be getting annoyed by it. But you just keep coming back to the same arguments, which will keep getting the same response from everyone else.

I have a few ideas as to why someone might do this. None of those ideas are good for my opinion of how we should handle your suggestions.

[Jets 1]
You can think what you want, but I'm not the lover if that's what you're trying to hint at. I'm just outspoken and that can be frustrating, as you of all people should know.

I'm done talking about Cartman, your plan sounds good, so what else would you like to talk about tonight? We've agreed that Shelley could be a good target. We can't do anything about any of the big three targets (Big Gay Al, Tweek, McDaniels). Is there any one else you think we should put our attention towards? Personally, it seems like most people are just letting them do all the talking while they sit back and spout random nonsense (like Jimbo and Gerald which is a funny coincidence since they voted for me, given the way this night chat has been going).

I'm fine with investigating Jimmy since he seems like another mid-level player between the ramblers and the town leaders.


[Jets 3]
I'm glad you bring up Jimmy, because I'd nearly forgotten. I'd be VERY interested to know what Jimmy is. His comments are few and far between, tend to not really contribute anything, and are often humorous. Lots of active lurking with that one.

I don't know what to do with Jimbo either. Though Gerald, I'm convinced, is flat out retarded.

Also, I wouldn't mind getting a solid read on McDaniels TOMORROW night. He seems to get lots of support in bursts, usually when another candidate gets questioned. There might have been some team-play going on with that. Not sure.

[Jets 1]
Oh and wtf is up with Wendy? If we don't investigate Jimmy I feel like Wendy should be the alternate. Her actions in the day chat confused the hell out of me and I have no idea what her alignment is now.

[Jets 3]
So...

I have been invited to have coffee with "Doc" and Cartman.

Kenny
Guys, guys, I feel like we're falling apart at the seams.
This is why us girls have to work so hard puttin' up with you guys' oversensitive pride. No more jabbing, okay? Girls can be pretty evil sometimes, and you don't want to face the wrath of Sumi. It involves soap and chainsaws.
Just a few things I'd like to address:
1. Though I don't mind being sent out to kill since my last will editing is probably not useful tonight, I don't understand why we don't send the smurf to kill every night till it gets killed lol. Sure, the smurf may come in handy occasionally. Though the chance of someone following me is almost zero, the chance is still there, and why jeopardize a regular player over a smurf is the question I'm wondering, since after tonight, we're assuming we're sending drug dealers to kill right?
2. I've actually not paid a whole lot of attention to Jimmy lol. I'll have to go back and read his posts.
3. There is a chance Doc is Al. [Jets 3] is the one he trusts most, and he'll want to hear Cartman's explanation, of course. [Jets 3], are you able to talk to us and talk to them at the same time? Or are you chat-blocked? (Which I guess if you are you won't be able to answer this.) So... [Jets 3] WHERE ARE YOU. HOLLER IF YOU NEED HEEEEEELP!

[Jets 3]
I can talk in both chats at once. Doc has asked me to role-claim. Cartman claims to not actually be a Lover, and that it's an elaborate ploy to oust the Mafia. However, he refused to say this until he knew who the other person in Coffee chat was. He reveals to claim his "real" role because he doesn't trust me enough, even though he voted for me. I might also refuse to reveal until he does, but that might make me appear scummy. I don't want Cartman to turn around and reveal everything I say to the town. Advice? I can post excerpts if necessary and allowed. False?

Kenny
Ah, of course, Cartman isn't lover after all. Be at ease, Waaagh.
If you're allowed, I suggest posting everything they're saying so we can get an idea.

GF
Are we even allowed to send the Smurf to kill? I didn't think the Smurf was capable of carrying out night actions.

2. I'm sure you know it already but be very careful, [Jets 3]. You can trust the Architect because he is proven Town so I'd try to follow him as much as possible. Maybe illustrate your fears this whole thing could be an elaborate non-lover Mafia ploy. See how Doc feels about the idea and if he wants a role-claim give it to him without hesitation. Just do whatever you have to do to get out of this without a scum finger pointed at you.

After you claim Enchantress they may expect proof in subsequent days/nights by recommending a target. We may be able to kill that target the night after and alter their will to suit your story.

Maybe start a new thread and copy all the messages across as well.

FM God
No.

[Jets 1]
If you want to [Jets 3], you could claim investigator and then I could just feed you the information from my results. It might keep you alive in the long run, and it would mean the Doc and Cartman would "protect" you from accusations in the day chat. I dunno, something to think about. What's your good side investigation result again? Is it something BS-able? If not, invest might be the way to go.

GF
Enchantress.

[Jets 1]
In that case it might be better to claim investigator. Otherwise they might be like "Okay, lure person X tonight to confirm" and then when person x doesn't get lured... bad news bears.

GF
True! It is a risk certainly.

On the other hand if they were like Lure person X and didn't demand confirmation the following day, then we could kill person X the following night and use the Lawyer to alter their will so that it confirmed they had been lured.

If [Jets 3] claims investigator they'll start expecting findings and that largely means none of us (including [Jets 1]) can use [Jets 1]' results to claim investigator afterwards.

It's a gamble either way.

[Jets 2]
Hmm...who should I fuck with.

Who claimed a PR, that should probably be my main target, sheriff or inves if possible.

Enchantress isn't exactly an easy role to claim, and that's my inves pairing, so wat do?

GF
Don't claim until somebody forces you to

I don't know, buddy. Somebody claiming PR day 1 most likely isn't one. Maybe hit somebody loud because they'll probably report it and spread the misinformation to the rest of the population.

[Jets 2]
I may just hit Gerald, cause he's a fucking retard...
or of course, Yayap up to his usual shenanigans

Kenny
[Jets 3] has not talked since telling us he's been coffee-d lol.
Would this mean that it does indeed block his chats to us? :x

GF
Maybe they poisoned his coffee.

Night actions for tonight are.

Kill Shelley
- Send Kenny

Investigate Jimmy (via [Jets 1])

Drug deal Gerald
- Send [Jets 2]

Abstaining:
- Muso
- [Jets 3]

If you want to voice an alternative now's the time to do it.

Time to wet our blades.


[Jets 3]
I'm going to go ahead and claim Enchantress, if pushed. I don't want to risk getting checked and having the Doc out himself to reveal my invest lie. For now, however, I'm going to say that I don't want to reveal if Cartman doesn't.

Kenny
Mmm. Ready when you are, Master [GF]. -licks blade-
What shall I carve on her body with my dagger for the death note~?

(Though, why are we drug dealing Gerald? Is he even worth a night action? Lol.)

GF
I think this might be an appropriate death note:

Four-and-a-half years I live wit' a buddy an' his family. I think I'm diggin' a guy's character... Boy, I'm a victim of disappointment in you.

Night 1's coffee chat

Originally Posted by Coffee Chat
Coffee: Welcome. I assume you trust [Jets 3] Cartman and I'd like to hear what you have to say for myself.

Cartman: Before I say anything, I'd like to know who all is invited tonight. Role card says you invite 2 people to talk. Is [Jets 3] the other person?

Cartman: I'm also busy talking to the jailor so, forgive me if I take some time before responding.

[Jets 3]: Yes, [Jets 3] is the other person. xD

Hi Cartman. Hi "Doc".

Coffee: I invited the person you voted for to ensure you would feel comfortable speaking. Go ahead.

Cartman: I'll be flat out honest here, since I think my ploy won't work past day 1. I'm not the lover. I was using that to see if I could get the mafia to rage at me. Only 2 people knew I was lying 100% and they weren't the ones that I would expect to be mad about my ploy. I was scum hunting day 1, in a sense it worked, except stupid town people didn't understand what I was doing and added to the mass confusion. Instead of questioning everyone claiming that I was lying, they joined in questioning me.

[Jets 3], I voted for you simply because I don't trust any of our 3 candidates. You seemed to be the only person that had enough votes that could knock off one of those 3.

Big Al said he didn't want the power and yet got voted up, it looks like a mafia ploy to me.

Tweek Twat sounds a bit like Claw, using gambits trying to get things done. Considering that a few people found him to be scummy, I'm surprised he got nominated at all.

McDaniels gave out a really bad reaction when I said I was a lover. Something doesn't sound right with him either.

I'd like to hear what you think of me right now.

Coffee: I'll be honest with you then too. You caused far more harm than good.

I would like to hear your roles, now.

For future reference, the safe phrase is "SAFARI ZONE", not that it will matter if one of you is mafia.

Cartman: No offense coffee, but I rather not role claim in front of [Jets 3]. I still don't know if I can trust him.

Coffee: You trust him enough to reveal that your entire game so far was a lie and implied you are something important by denying to reveal. If you're a power role, you've already showed your hand. Asking to be jailed for immunity implies you don't have a night action, one that you feel isn't as important as your ruse, or one that cannot be used yet.

So you're either a journalist, vigilante, coroner, prostitute, gunsmith, or citi.

And if I can figure that out, a team of 5 certainly can too.

Cartman: I revealed my game so far since I won't be able to give the correct list of 2 mafias in the morning. So both mafias will know that I lied. I'll have to tell the town this so they are not disadvantaged by it.

Btw.. you don't seem to read your Rep often enough. This is unfortunate.

Coffee: I don't care enough to cheat.

[Jets 3]: Doc, one possibility you didn't mention: a Mafia member other than the Lover, trying to get in good with the town (possibly even a GF, since the Cit/GF investigation message applies to Lover as well).

However, without any evidence, I don't want to speculate on that. Sorry I haven't been online all day - I've been with my family, and my sister is leaving on Thursday (and will thus probably not be around much the next few days). Anyways, as for your question of role reveals, I'm a bit uncomfortable revealing my role without Cartman revealing his, given the above stated possibility. I really want to trust you, Cartman, but if you're telling the truth (about being town faking Lover), you caused a hell of a lot of confusion today, and even run the risk of getting lynched tomorrow when your lie is exposed. That's a pretty big red flag to me, personally.

Cartman: As much chaos as I caused day1. I did more for town than anyone else. I exploited mafias only weakness and that was the fact they know more than anyone else. At least I tried to expose them. What did anyone else do. Sit on their lazy asses and blindly vote or questioned me for claiming lover.
Without any night actions night 1, we couldn't even interrogate someone into finding out if they were roleblocked/or anything else that happens during the night or if they lied about it. Mafia had the full advantage having talked to each other during the night AND during the day as things progressed.
Now I saw a whole lot of blind trust that I plan on interrogating people about day2. I wasn't going to sit idly and nominate someone based on blind trust.

I was really hoping that town would look into peoples reactions to my claim more than my claim itself. At least I had something to go on, being that only mafia should have been angry about my plan.

Who knows, I might have even tied up the mafia PRs into targeting me. They probably won't attack me since I asked the jailor to jail me but if I can get the consigs, consorts, Framers, Blackmailers, Lawyers, Drug Dealers on me from them in fear. Then our PRs are kept hidden and unaffected for at least a bit.

Coffee: (quotes Cartman's previous post) Okay, but here are the things that your ruse caused that are negative:
1) You took focus off of the voting of candidates at the exact time when focus on voting the remaining candidates was needed. If you had done it the first day FM started this might have been different, but you did it when we had less than 24 hours left to vote up two more candidates. Even you yourself admit you are unsure of the candidates.
2) You aren't Claw, because Claw isn't even in this game. But you're as blindly arrogant as him and Jack. Your plan falls apart when you realize that the mafia has perma night chat so any venting can be redirected there with little to no problem. In fact the only thing you probably achieved was drawing a town-friendly neutral out of hiding. Or exposed the real lovers by accident. So unless that was your intent...
3) You did nothing for the actual election process, in fact you sowed more confusion here then any other and your actions could have been devastating. What if everyone jumped on [Jets 3], interpreting that he wasn't mafia by your actions, and it turned out we elected mafia as mayor because of it? It is extremely unwise to attempt to lead the town pretending you have all the answers when in reality you know no more than anyone else.

And for what, exactly? The reactions of 2-3 people, a majority of them will probably end up being town anyway.

(quotes my previous post)

I know I left out the possibility of mafia but honestly this isn't a mafia ruse man. We'll know he's mafia if he tries to follow through on a lie tomorrow, if he doesn't he basically outed himself for a few cheap reactions. This is strictly a case of someone trying to imitate the failure strats of more popular players.

I'd still like you to claim though [Jets 3], I need to know I can trust you before I move ahead with my own plans.

Cartman: (quotes "2) You aren't Claw, because Claw isn't even in this game.")

Dude, are you blind! Claw is player number 31. Go check the player list.
If it wasn't for the fact that your role is a declared town role, I'd swear I was being attacked by scum here.

(quotes "your actions could have been devastating. What if everyone jumped on [Jets 3], interpreting that he wasn't mafia by your actions, and it turned out we elected mafia as mayor because of it?")

Or they could have saved the day. I have a strong feeling that McDaniels is scum and I can't say I really trusted the other 2 candidates either. If I'm right, then you are blaming me for trying to sway the vote off a scum, that was my whole intent.

[Jets 3]: Check your recent rep, Coffee.

GF
ACTION PLAN

I want us to find this Architect and take him out before he can gain too large an understanding of the game. After we figure out who he is we can kill him and use the Lawyer to doctor the hell out of his will.

He is evidently a player who plays often/ has read all the previous forum mafias.

He seems to write in well constructed sentences with plenty of punctuation but he slipped up here:
1. "here then any other"
2. He doesn't use commas before addressing people.
3. He will capitalise names but not the words mafia or town.
4. Abbreviation of Cit/Citizen to merely citi
5. Add any other language traits we can use to narrow the list

[Jets 3], can you please record in this thread the times he posted his messages.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...2938#post62938

I want him found!

[Jets 3]
Advanced Search results for keyword "citi" in the Forum Mafia category & Forum Mafia forum:

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/search.php?searchid=40766

Analysis:

Outside of threads in our subforum and the Architect's post, the ONLY person who has used the abbreviation of "citi" publicly is Big Gay Al. However, Big Gay Al's other grammar and punctuation trademarks don't fit with those of the Architect; Al has relatively flawless mastery of the proper use of spelling, grammar, and punctuation, whereas the Architect is prone to omitting commas in his prose.

Al only used it in a single post.

Then again, the Architect's first post was the only one that had terrible punctuation errors; otherwise, he speaks a lot like Al. Going to continue searching keywords that I find unusual in the Architect's speech. Role names are particularly useful - my next try is going to be the use of "prostitute" as opposed to "enchantress."

Also, his safe word is a Pokemon reference. So we're looking for someone who at least feels amusement towards Pokemon, as opposed to frothing, anti-Poke hatred. xD


GF
Good job, man.

Maybe we can try searching for other simple phrases too and see what comes up.

I am still trying to figure out how to get the forum to display specific time beside messages not just "# hours ago". Maybe I'll just count backwards and correlate the times to posts in the elections and see what kindof a list comes up.

ps. I liked your 7:23 message.

Okay, the two players I know who like Pokemon are Ash and McPwnage. Ash aka Ash Ketchum. McPwnage played Barry in FM 7 and used a Pokemon avatar and I recall made some pokemon quotes during the game.

McPwnage is the most likely of the two.


[Jets 3]
When he creates lists, he uses numbers with close-parenthesis instead of bullets. He also breaks the list at each number instead of keeping it as a single paragraph.

He considers rep messaging to be cheating.

He didn't realize Claw was in this FM (so automatically, anyone who referenced Claw during the daytime is out).

The Architect is also prone to comma splices (FREQUENTLY - it's actually bothering me a lot). In fact, every grammar mistake he has made involves commas in some way, so look for someone who doesn't know how the fuck commas work AT ALL.

He doesn't capitalize any role names, ever - only proper names.

@[GF]: Lawl. Yeah, I'm getting into this whole text-analysis thing. There is never time to do this in SC2 Mafia, aside from as Spy or Citizen. It's a really powerful tool. He has yet to drop any REALLY distinct phrases, but his vocabulary is pretty good. He obviously wants to sound smart.

For post times, switch the thread view to Hybrid mode. You will get a list of the exact time every post was made in the thread. Useful tool.

As for Pokemon, Ash doesn't speak eloquently enough to be the Architect. I'm not familiar with McPwnage's grasp on grammar. I will log in as Lysergic and do some poking around. Doesn't help us if we don't know his in-game identity, though.


GF
Excellent.

The only use I thought of for identifying his real forum name was potentially identifying other language characteristics that we can then look for in FM posts.

[Jets 3]
As far as the McPwnage theory goes, I have the feeling it ISN'T him. McPwnage DOES share some lingual characteristics of the Architect, as far as some really strange word-choice goes and a general failure at using commas. However, he doesn't share other important traits. The Architect capitalizes all of his sentences and proper names - McPwnage notably doesn't consistently (it's about 50/50 as far as I can tell, though I might have had a bad sample of posts to choose from). Also, some of the word choice for McPwnage is REALLY strange. Quotes below for illustration.

Also, McPwnage has NEVER used the abbreviation of "citi" on COM.

Below, we see the characteristic comma splices of the Architect in one of McPwnage's posts. You can also see the lack of capitalization on Mafia-related terms, including role names. There is some unusual word choice with things like, "weakens them extremely" (odd word order), "gambit" instead of "gamble," etc.



In the post below, you can see his lack of capitalization of role-names (in parenthesis). However, it isn't consistent (given that this is a setup for his game, and has thus probably been more carefully proofread):



Another missing comma ("Man what a cliffhanger" should be "Man, what a cliffhanger"):



Below, we see the typical comma abortion that is a McPwnage post, as well as some minor typos (the Architect seems prone to them as well). Please also note the strange word choice, again - "godfather in the first rate," where rate is used instead of "place." Strange. Note the use of the number (10) instead of the word (ten). Interesting habit that he seems prone to.



Also, text analysis after watching Sherlock Holmes 2 is a terrible idea.

You know, you might actually be on to something with this McPwnage angle. The more I read of his posts, the more similarities I see in the strange-ness of certain qualities of the Architect's.

Comma, placed outside of the quotation marks rather than inside (as is proper).

[Jets 3]
It's not Liane, based on the way she writes. It doesn't seem like Al either, but I will further analyze Al's posts for clues. It's certainly not Wendy. Since [possible smurf] is your smurf, it's also not him.

Looking at Al's posts, then.

If it's Al, he's COMPLETELY changing the way he writes for his Architect chat, including the way he fucks up grammatically.

Thus, on to secondary candidates.


GF
Based on the Day 1 chat, I can add McDaniels and Tweek Tweak to the list and maybe Philip. I really hope it's none of these guys though. Big Gay Al continues to make almost perfect time-matches.

If it's nobody on the first list, it strongly suggests the Architect hasn't voted in the Election yet, which is odd.

[Jets 1]
Gonna throw this out there, since you guys didn't put him on the list: Timmy.



I don't know how to code quotes and it's not letting me fill out two quick reply buttons. But here's something Timmy said on Day 1, post #105:



Same number structure, and no spaces between the points. Just throwing it out there.


[Jets 3]
[Jets 1], thank you for pointing out Timmy. I will be CLOSELY scrutinizing his posts for more evidence.

[GF], it's funny you mention McDaniels, because I think he fits. I need to check his posts more closely to be sure, but he's HIGH on the suspect list for me. I have a feeling it ISN'T Tweek though. I will look at his posts just to be sure. Anyways, here are my thoughts on your secondary sources:

Jimmy has very distinct grammatical characteristics that the Architect does not seem to share. For example, instead of a full ellipsis, Jimmy uses only a double period (".." instead of "..."). He uses this A LOT, often INSTEAD of a comma or semicolon. He has trouble with apostrophes, and sometimes uses a double hyphen ("--") as a connector. When he uses commas, he seems to use them correctly. I doubt it is Jimmy.

Craig is unlikely. His grammar errors are mostly limited to fragments, small typos (a comma instead of a period and such - a single, incorrect keystroke from hasty typing), incorrect apostrophes, and inconsistent capitalization. The Architect has none of those qualities. I doubt it is Craig.

If it's Claridge, I will shit myself. Seriously. Whoever Claridge is needs to go back to elementary school and relearn the English language. I doubt it is her/him/it. Also, if I ever use that many ellipsis for any reason whatsoever, please kill me.

Gary... has only made 4 posts. This is too small a data set to make any significant conclusions. However, he does exhibit a few of the Architect's comma splices. He doesn't capitalize things like "lover," and has exhibited a couple strange diction choices. Gary is on the list of potential Architects, but low on the list for now.

I don't think it's Stan, based on his capitalization problems, distinct tendency to abbreviate longer words, and generally distinct style of writing.

Randy seems unlikely, but it's hard to tell based on the small sample size (15 posts, most of which were VERY in-character - RP fucks text analysis for the most part). He shows a bit of shakiness with the commas, but not enough to make me suspect him.

This won't work on Jimbo.

Ned seems unlikely. He has a VERY strong tendency to start his posts with an unnecessary, "Well," clause. Something like, "Well, let's see who _____," or "Well, I'm going to ______," and the Architect doesn't do that at all. Other than that, nothing in common in terms of how he speaks.

That's everyone on that list.

So the suspects are:

Big Gay Al
McDaniels
Timmy
Phillip
Gary


GF
Timmy did have a lose time correlation in some of the Day 1 posts so it's a good thought.



Given Doc's views on the rep messaging this quote may suggest against. Maybe we should look in the Day chat for people who voiced distaste over using the rep messaging system.


[Jets 3]
[GF], I agree about the rep system.

Also, take Phillip off the list. I would bet a million bucks it's not him.

Timmy only shares the list tendency. The comma one is by far the most pervasive, and should be the primary focus of our search. I have the feeling it isn't Timmy, but we shouldn't rule him out completely.

McDaniels is suspect numero uno in my book.


GF
It will be unfortunate if it turns out to be McDaniels, because he'll likely be elected Mayor, which will make him too risky a kill target. The best we could hope for then would be to use him as an additional investigation result were one of us to role-claim investigator. Additionally I suppose, knowing such a thing could be used to get the Mayor on side which would perhaps sway the mob in our favour.


[Jets 1]
Yo since we're guessing alternate identities in here, I figured I'd mention that Terrance is probably Auckmid. He keeps doing this shit where he says "are" instead of "our" lol. Post 289 in Day 1 for what I'm talking about. I've only played in one FM with Auckmid so I don't know how much of a threat he is based on his COM identity, but there ya' go.


[Jets 3]
If McDaniels gets elected, we should invest him. If we get a Vent result, we know for sure.

@[Jets 1]: I'm barely aware of Auckmid. Good info to have, though.


Kenny
Oh you guys are ridiculous lol...
And I thought I was the only grammar Nazi around here. xD
If it helps any, I am almost sure it's not McDaniels. I have already figured out his identity because I've known him for more than 3 years and I'm well acquainted with his speech patterns. He does not talk like Doc nor express the same sentiments. Personally, my first suspect is Al. It's clear he's a seasoned player, so we should not dismiss the possibility that he's actually changing his speech slightly to throw us off. It's hard to explain but I also get this "aura" that feels the same from both of them.

GF
Out of interest who is McDaniels and what role do you think he's playing?


Kenny
He is Zack. I do not know his role but I am almost sure he's a town role. Call it a gut feeling from a close friend if you must.


[Jets 3]
I'm about 99% sure that it's McDaniels. If it's not him, it's Al. But the way he talks is consistent with McDaniels more than Al.

Also, look at the log I was providing in the "[Jets 1]" thread for new posts that almost confirm it's either McDaniels or Al.

[Mr. Hat]

GF
We put the kill on Shelley, yet Timmy is dead.

What happened, Kenny, what happened?

Kenny
Heck, I'm as confused as you are. You gave the valid command on the other thread, right?
I didn't even get a notification that I was witched or manipulated by anything.

[Jets 1]
Holy shit, Timmy was a consig? Lol I guess there's a bus driver around here. Jimmy's invest result came up amnesiac, student, ghost btw.

[GF]
Kenny, I'm only going to ask this once.

If I find out you've lied to me, I will do everything in my power to find and kill the Shark Lover and guarantee your suicide and loss of the game.

Who did you try to kill last night?

Kenny
... Are you serious?
[Jets 3] gets killed and now you're pointing fingers at me that I must be the lover cause my kill didn't end up where it was supposed to? Really? What is this logic. Do you have a hobby of forcing your own Mafia member to the point of resignation like you did to [Jets 3]?

So the first thing you do when you see one of your own Mafia member's commands hit the wrong target is accuse her of being a lover and threaten her with killing the Shark's lover, who she doesn't give a rip about? Oh yeah, okay. Let me follow my orders as I did last night and suicide along with our team's lover when the Shark lover gets hit, so there will only be two members left. Great.

Man, I'd love to give the MVP award to the lovers, for not only managing to let both Mafia target each other but also stirring internal strife amongst a Mafia's own members. Open your eyes, [GF]. Your guess as to what happened last night is as good as mine. I can only say that the lover on our team probably leaked our plans and tried to cast suspicion on me by screwing up my night actions. Brilliant move, really. Kudos to lover, you've succeeded. Unless some town member power role got an angel's luck.

Whatever the heck happened last night, I can't believe the first thing you'd do is accuse me of treachery. Honestly

[GF]
MOAR SOLDERS

[Jets 1] says Jimmy falls under the category of:
1. Student
2. Amnesiac
3. Ghost

Given that the rep messaging system is apparently being allowed, I may use it to make contact with him and give him the ultimatum of joining us or dying.

Must the Student choose his mentor the first night, or is it possible that the Student is still yet to choose?

All correspondence will be made through my smurf account Barbrady.

I'm going to have a look at his posts next to try and get an indication of which of the roles I think he is.

Here's how I see it playing out:

1a) He is a student aligned with Town. Will likely bring about the death of my Smurf.
1b) He is a student aligned with Mafia. May/may not bring about the death of my Smurf.
1c) He is a student aligned with a Neutral. I may be left alone?
1d) He is a student who is mentorless. He will join us. WIN.

2a) He is an amnesiac and he will take the place of [Jets 3]. WIN.

3) He is a ghost and will do whatever he can do to piss us off and manipulate us into attacking him. Assumedly by not complying with 1 or 2.

With that in mind I will probably illustrate to him I have analysed his posts and believe him to be 1 or 2. I will then tell him if he doesn't join us that I will kill him the following night.

Thoughts/comments/suggestions?

[GF]
Why can't you believe it?

One of you three is up to no good. Why couldn't it be you?

You were sent for the kill and instead of our agreed target, somebody else ends up dead. Curiously both mafias lose a member, bringing the Lovers one step closer to victory. Yet you claim you were not witched, etc. Additionally, I am doubtful that the kill was mis-directed due to busdriving. The most logical remaining conclusion, is that you altered the Kill target. If you have an alternative explanation, I'd like to hear it.

If you are telling the truth, then you have nothing to fear.

My eyes are open, and I'm looking everywhere. Not just at you, even if right now you're the one in the shit.


Lol our mafia team is quite the little Brady Bunch, eh? I would relax for now [GF], honestly I think it's more likely that there was a bus driver than her redirecting her kill. You'd think if she was the lover trying to avoid Shelley (the only reason for that would be if they were the other lover) then she would've at least claimed she was witched. But she didn't. So bus driver seems like a pretty legit excuse right now.

Shelley has posted today, but she has not claimed being driven.

Additionally Stephen has claimed he was Bus-driven. That would suggest 3 people who would had to have been bus-driven.
- Stephen
- Timmy
- Shelley

Seeing as we have 2 drug dealers who didn't hit, it suggests there are 2 bus drivers out there. Yet we only have 1 person saying they were bussed out of 4 (be as it may, one of them can't speak for himself anymore).


(about Jimmy)
[Jets 1]
That sounds good, though you might want to let us know exactly what you plan on saying through the smurf rep. You don't want to come off too aggressive or else he might refuse out of spite. And we're down a man, so you don't want to risk that happening.

[GF]
Unfortunately, I am getting the Ghost vibe from all of his messages.

He seems to be accusing anything and everything in the hope he hits a nerve and gets attacked.


(after some time)
GF
Dear Kenny ala Loverboy,

This is the situation.

Should any ill befall [Jets 1], [Jets 2], or myself, then I will kill Mr. Hats and end this game permanently for you. If I am the one who dies, I have entrusted this duty to [Jets 1 to complete. Rest assured, I will carry out this threat. I would prefer to play this game my way, but if you do not comply then I will have no qualms uniting the mafias and taking on everybody if it's necessary to kill you.

Do what you have to to preserve our survival, because if one of us dies, you die too.

Regards,

[GF]
Ur Mofucking Godfather