I also think your gut read is based on the fact that I told you all we had prefixed 1 and 2 in our mason chat.
So if this is really your gut, you should re-read the entire game with an open mind.
Parking your vote and digging your feet is a mistake in this case because you're gonna lynch your teammate.
I don't know what else to say to you. It's all laid out there. You just have to go back and re-read my interactions with mesk.
Listen, vote how you want. But don't think i'm trying to force you to do anything. I'm in a 1v1 and will either be lynched or spared. All I can do is make my case to you. I am not trying to force you or coerce you.
And I think the more I interact with you the more I hurt my case to you. So I will go have some lunch, check through the thread, and see if maybe there is something else I can pull to help you see the truth.
Otherwise I'll leave it up to the others who believe me to make a case. As everything I say will be seen in a certain light.
Just remember almost anything is possible in fm games.
@Nawa something else for you to consider. How would I know masons could day claim unless I was mason? If there was a solo mason why would host confirm my mason day claim claim? How could I guess that?
Everyone can read all they'd like. However, let me point out one SPECIFIC thing, as it relates to Masons.
In the previous set-up Masons couldn't confirm each other in day chat. In this set-up they can. Please someone find for me, prior to me asking host to state it, does it state that? How else would I know this very SPECIFIC mechanic as it relates to masons? Well the only logical answer is that I'm Mason.
You could say I just guessed, but that'd be pretty dumb. I'd have NO WAY of knowing that mechanic was changed UNLESS, UNLESS, I WAS MASON.
It's all right there.
It's easy for someone to say there's 1 2 or even 3 masons by looking at set-up. It's vague, like everyone points out, it doesn't specify 2 masons or that they come in pairs. Mesk exploited that, knowing host couldn't give specific numbers as it pertains to town comp. So she could say it IS POSSIBLE for her to be solo mason. But it's not because we have a mason team. I on the other hand, asked about specifics. Specifics a scum WOULD NOT be able to know.
That's the end of the story. Now what you all do, and how you vote is up to you.
If you didn't want my honest answer then why did you ask for it?
I don't like the implication that I'm not helping, I helped with the Naz thing and I've told PTB and Mesk to stop telling at each other pointlessly at least once.
I understand that this is just got games work here so I just need to deal with it, but I left the first game disappointed that the game was solved in 30 minutes and the rest of it was just shouting matches and rudeness. I signed up for this thinking it might be different the second time with a different cast. You can understand why I'm disappointed right?
Anyways part of that is null and void cus I'm pretty sure TPB is lying.
So let's assume you mean PTB.
At one point you said we'd lynch mesk at lynch time. Now, all of a sudden with a little over 3 hours left before we can lynch someone, now you're saying I'm the liar.
Ok, well @blinkskater I think we found the scummate. As I previously stated, Mesk's teammate would slink into a citzen claim like Aardvark did, will play neutral like aard did, and will try to push the vote onto me near the end of the day or at the voting time.
And what a gift he has, comes in to see the two confirmed towns siding with his scummate, and now he peddles i'm a liar. I'm sure his push will get stronger as we get close to voting and he'll vote for me.
sb16 will hopefully side with the rest of the town, and we'll be at a 4/4 split as I said we would.
Hopefully then, Nawa or Blink will vote with the rest of the town.
@Aardvarks Bark what did you mean by this post?
I meant that it seemed obvious that Mesk was a mafia. and like she *probably* is?
But I want to point something out. At the start of the game BPT went out of his way to be as accessible as possible, I was in the process of questioning him to see how far he'd go to see if he was buddying me or just uncommonly friendly. I came back and the info dumps happened and then we were there. The case against Mesk is whole-y dependant on her solo-mason thing. ATP is playing with the confidence of a mafia who is pulling off a great roleclaiming slam dunk. You're using manipulative words and ideas to your advantage and claiming anyone who disagrees with you is mafia. That dog won't hunt.
hmm interesting
I just find it curious that I'm somehow an overconfident mafia, but yet, you said it seemed like Mesk is mafia.
Listen, mesk has a teammate, SB16 and MM have been pretty confident in lynching her. You on the other hand seemed to jump to and from quite easily.
As I stated above, can anyone explain to me using logical reasoning how I could KNOW about the mason mechanic this game?
@naz don't forget to vote mesk
Also check Mason chat once and a while
refusal to provide information is anti-town, and also goes against the initially presented characterization of being willing to answer questions.
please quote the host post and your own post that together corroborates your viewpoint that you know something about the Mason mechanics in this game that no one else could possibly know?
I did LOL read above plz. I've actually quoted almost 5 times now.
@Aardvarks Bark
At this point mesk has made it very easy. We don't need to find both scums, we just need one.-vote Mesk514
gg
lol @naz
I'm sorry if you're really telling the truth, but what part of that isn't already implied by the actual setup of the game which is publically available to everyone?
Please point out the specific point of evidence.
@Aardvarks Bark
The part where it was stated last game Masons WEREN'T ALLOWED to publicly post. I wasn't in last game, but I knew it was a rule then.
I checked with host as I stated, and he told us it was changed in this set up and were not restricted from revealing in day chat.
I'm just asking, given that this set up was run again, how could a scum assume day chat reveal was an option?
I was specifically told I could reveal in day chat when I asked host.
Mesk tried to say we couldn't because she ran the game the last time it was forbidden.
I'm stating, how could I know to claim day chat reveal was available if I was scum?
Why would host go to lengths to state to everyone that there was no rule this game stating we couldn't reveal as Masons if we weren't masons?
@Aardvarks Bark
I don't know what you think is specific or not?
Masons weren't allowed to reveal. Host told everyone after it was asked that we could reveal in day chat.
I'm saying, if i was scum, why would I say we could reveal, and then ask host to prove, and then why would host prove it in a post?
I'm not going to read because I have no time for it. However, I can state the following thing: One of PTB and Mesk is scum #1. There is only one scum #2. That means Blink and Nawa can,t be scum together, and it confirms them because of the claims. Naz is being silent and rather unreadable. Aardvarks is scummy to me with a very similar playstyle to the last game's, and I don't like that.
Nawa, blinkskater, REMOVE YOUR FUCKING VOTES FROM PTB. I know you're town, so stop being retards and read the host's messages. THERE CANNOT BE TWO MASON FACTIONS. NAZ CONFIRMED PTB. VOTE MESK.
Did the town font work for me too?
I have to go again for several hours and got a problem on my computer, so I will be rather inactive.
Vote mesk for god's sake. I'm pretty sure that Aardvarks is gonna vote PTB. If he does, it confirms my theory. Invis ink allowed ;)
Let me make it easier to digest
Last game: Same Set-Up
Masons = NO CONFIRMATION ALLOWED AT ALL
This game: Same Set-Up (no changes publicly announced)
Me: Claims mason's can day chat confirm mason.
Checks with host: Masons can day change confirm
This is a change from last set up. Mesk asks if this was a change from last set up. Host confirms it is a change.
Me: How could i know that masons can day chat confirm, unless I am mason?
Lgoic train is not hard.
at this point it comes to @Nawa @blinskater and @Stealthbomber16
A little over 2 hours until someone can be lynched.
I'm pretty sure Mesk and Aardvark are together. If I'm wrong, something crazy is gonna happen at the vote period or EOD.
@blinkskater * my apologies.
Hmmmm I see.
That doesn't eliminate the possibility that you privately asked Iced_Monopoly the same question at some point before you or Naz decided to claim masons, but it is a significant point in your favor.
@Powers that be
Also another reason I think they're together is because Mesk knows it bothers me when someone calls me the wrong name. AArdvark has called me everything from ptb to atp to tbp.
I think he's doing it on purpose to unnerve me and try to get a "scum reaction" or "over defensiveness."
Wont work though.
He could just be typing on a phone and a victim to autocorrect
@Marshmallow Marshall I'm not in a team with Mesk. I'm being thorough and examining both sides. If someone tells me there's only one way to view something there's no way I'm going to just go along with it. That's how you get manipulated.
@Powers sorry for accidentally mentioning you in a game you're not in, nice to meet you, I'm Kyle.
No I was actually doing it on purpose. the first two were mistakes cus I thought your name was "the powers that be" it was a minor mistake but you commented on them both regardless. the rest were to put you on edge for reading purposes
Devil's advocate, even if the host has a game with a solo mason they're still going to have to have rules for how they work, otherwise what would they say when we asked about for clarification? A solo mason game would create a mind-fuck that would be completely pointless if it could be undone by a single host question.
Host clarifying number of masons (which anyone could really ask) =/= than me knowing a day claim would be allowed by masons.
One is not a change in the set up, its just a change in the distribution of roles. The other is a major change to HOW masons operate.
My point is simply, how could a scum know a change was made to masons?
OMG this is too funny.
I'm not even going to go over PTBs comments to my responses. HE absolutely highlighted nothing.
SINCE the beginning he did nothing but flatter himself. He claimed citizen 3 times while question potentially TPR claims to make it seem like they are no way possible so potentially he could change his vote. HE DID ABSOLUTELY NOOOOOOO scum hunting, rather he told people HOW to scum hunt. This is ridiculous.
On top of all of that, he says my long post shouldn't confuse everyone. Even though he has multiple long ass posts, which mostly just talk about himself.
All PTB does is toot his own horn and act like a cocky fuck..
if you believe him I feel so sorry for you.