@SCV @PTB Yeah maybe that was a big mistake, but it smelt so much like bait and was so early, didn't had the balls in the end
@SCV @PTB Yeah maybe that was a big mistake, but it smelt so much like bait and was so early, didn't had the balls in the end
Thank you to @RLVG for hosting another game and allowing me to have a chance to redeem myself as I have a history of botching his games.
Twas very fun, and a well balanced setup.
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Err, a vendetta??? Nope. For Scv, he just plays like that every game... okay I agree it was a little bit anti-town. However, my vote on Mesk was not anything throwing/vendetta. The only thing I wanted is to see her talking. "But she was at L-1!!!!" Yes she was. If someone had hammered, I would have lynched the hammerer, lol... Who the fucks hammers someone that didnt speak as Town??? So, it was not a vendetta. And for the "omg you got me killed fucking morons" blah blah, we had the win, already... Stop calling me stupid for a second, and LISTEN.
Nawa was obviously not citizen. His claim (view first posts of the game) of Citizen was irony... A scum (especially Nawa, it's not his scum playstyle) wouldn't do such a thing. After Mesk's sheriff claim, I knew Nawa was Doctor. Nawa innocent.
Mesk was confirmed by all the stuff that happened there... lol. The really great big rage was pushing the lean to the town read, along with the Sheriff claim non CC'd. Mesk innocent.
Myself was confirmed Citizen by all my previous claims. I had openly claimed it. If I wasn't citizen for real, the real citizen would've immediatly CC'd me, and a debate would've been open. Such a thing never happened. Myself innocent.
Gyrlander not speaking, not claiming, not doing anything... Nah. He came online and didn't say anything, proving he wasn't really too busy to say AT LEAST a role. Gyrlander mafia.
PIayer had been very lynch happy on Day One, which is very unusual from him. I had suspicions on him since D1. Then, the game advanced, he didn't hammer Gyrlander, he claimed NURSE instead of Doctor... PIayer mafia.
My vote was not on any mislynch that happened. My reads were 100% correct, I even knew who was Doctor and knew which mafia was mafioso/consort. There was no vendetta here, I followed the sheriff Mesk when confirmed. The little bit of vendetta you might have seen is when Mesk started calling everyone fucking morons without a brain. This was obviously OVER INSULTING of PERSONS. So yes, I think it was my right to be a little bit salty at her for that. But it didn't affect my playing. And the salt is over now.
N.B. I know that you didn't say that I was stupid here, PTB. This message wasn't just for you, even if I quoted you :P
First of all, you clearly didn't want to bring Mesk into speaking. You didn't put the vote down when you mentioned she is not even here [we can't even see the ghost lurking] and didn't put down vote after she has spoken.
Oh, and i didn't know i was doctor from start. There was a host error, which i only got to know at night.
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Really. XD so you say that you're citizen like if you weren't when you're citizen...
And we CAN see the ghost lurking. Invis mode = Mesk since she's the only one having it on... I wanted her to speak, not to lynch her. Plus, you are making this an intention court. I have nothing to defend from, the game is over.
This is actually blatant gamethrowing from my PoV and you should be punished for it. The fact that you aren't receiving infractions says a lot about the leniency of the staff here, even when staff is on the receiving end.
PTB summed it up pretty well but I'm still going to post my thoughts here.
FMs are a commitment. You've said this yourself. But from the way you're acting in your games, you seem to be not commiting to it. This is NOT the mod where you can lead lynch trains on someone for no reason D1. This is a toxic and unhealthy mindset and if you try to pull shit like this every game you will end up on blacklists and unable to play games hosted by many of the experienced players here. I know already that if I were to currently host a game I would remove it from the ladder to prevent you from playing it. This behavior is absolutely unacceptable. It's a game. Leave any luggage at the door. If you don't, the town will see it and you'll get mugged and your luggage will get stolen like a south american airport with no security. It's bananas.
Also, sorry for posting in the thread. Misclicked, and thought I was browsing postgame S-FM 236. Oopsie. Should've paid more attention.
@Stealthbomber16
I want to know how i gamethrowed.
CHOO CHOO, THE DARK GOD CALLS THOSE RIGHTEOUS AND FAITHFUL! FLOCK TO THE DARK MESSIAHS ARMS!
CHOO CHOO, THE DARK GOD CALLS THOSE RIGHTEOUS AND FAITHFUL! FLOCK TO THE DARK MESSIAHS ARMS!
CHOO CHOO, THE DARK GOD CALLS THOSE RIGHTEOUS AND FAITHFUL! FLOCK TO THE DARK MESSIAHS ARMS!
intent.
You weren't trying to lynch her based on in game suspicious. You did it out of idiocy. And luckily for everyone, player didn't have the smarts or guts to hammer. Had she hammered, she might have been lynched, or if she was smart she could have gotten one of the 3 of you lynched who were also on the train.
Point being, it was shit play. The fact that after game, you don't acknowledge it was a mistake shows you have an intent other than trying to play to win for your faction.
Frankly, we don't need shit players like you who A.) Make mistakes and are way to proud to learn from them. or B.) Trying to throw game on purpose, or to lynch people for reasons outside of the game.
It was an 8 person setup with 2 scum. Scum only needed 50% of the voting power. I.e. 2 lynchs and 2 NK.
So even 1 ML is bad. 3 ml's is a loss.
I think we should stop the witch hunting here.
From what I see, Scvmurderer posted a post-game thought of that PIayer could've done something beneficial for their team, a call out that the obvious/daring move wasn't done. As for Scvmurderer, it's oddly common for players to stack up early votes. Maybe for my next game, I'll introduce no-hammer until a certain point of the day.
While pushing someone towards L-1 may be seen as throwing/griefing, Scvmurderer didn't hammer and it's a vote that could be removed later. No one would be dumb enough to speed hammer as town (hopefully), with a potential exception of a brave scum.
Vote wasn't removed until very EoD(bc i and hybrid voted Scv at <30 minutes. It could stay till the night, theregore there was clearly no intention to remove vote later.
It is clear a player WANTED a lynch based on what PtB introduced, and THIS is a reason i and few other players are angry, and possible reason why latest S-FM has no hammer till 38hr.
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@RLVG thats why I said hybrid and nawa deserve credit.
MM semi redeemed himself. Not good day 1 play though.
putting players at L-1 to scare them is ONE thing, LEAVING someone at l-1 for the majority of the game and tunneling them for no reason is not town pro. and could be seen as an attempted game throw. Honestly, who does that as town?
The difference is scv seems proud of it, and isn't understanding or caring why it's dumb and reckless and flies in the face of fms.
Gyr throwed more than SCV imo if you define throw as "playing against your wincon"..
I agree with RLVG here, misplaced witch hunt. SCV playstyle is what it is but I don't believe he's a thrower. As MM said, town just need to profit from the momentum he gives to daychat without voting with him.
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PTB
Well RLVG didn't post nightchat but maybe you'll see things differently if you saw it instead of just saying I've "shit for brains". While I'm "guilty" of not lynching Mesk D1, first you present it like it was an obvious play, when it is my 3rd FMF and it wasn't obvious at all, especially regarding my meta as MM catched, I never hammered anyone early w/o a fair trial, from my perspective the risk was potentially me instadying D2, and couldn't know for sure Mesk was TPR, you could suspect it a bit but it's easy in postgame to say it was obvious.
Second, Gyr didn't hammered either and he's far more experienced than me (or am wrong?), so it's easy to blame me alone for scum loss, and I don't get how people can expect me to carry this alone (you're in the people Gyr, I still love you pal but god I should ask for replacement next time we're scum together)
About hammering Gyr D2 I don't see how this would've been good, again he was l-1, Mesk said she was hammering anyway, I said I trusted Mesk as sheriff, now why would I hammer him except to "LOOK AM HELPING" and deny daytime to town (an obviously scummy behavior)?
I believe you just don't realize there was different levels of play in this game and how this witchhunting attitude can be repulsive for new players. While you may believe you would have more fun playing if banning noobs like me or unconventional players like SCV, I don't believe so, else why you regulars just don't play your own games in a private section and build a meta impermeable to the outside?
For that, and the fact you sounds like a reasonable individual, I don't think you believe having a player turnover is bad for the game.
So, the way I see it, the games you're in it's up to you to speak sense into daychat and convince all how your thought process is so superior. The games you're not in, I appreciate any constructive criticism you could give really, but don't see the point throwing stones at noobs or SCVlike playstyle, again, if there was only one way to play this game it would be so dull, and the Mesk speedlynch story wasn't on SCV alone, she literally was l-1 with no scum on the train.
I literally try to learn this game for this reason, there is no GTO, no good or bad way to play in itself, and AIs will suck for a long time before being able to win against humans in FMF.
I'll try to not wall, my pov in a nutshell: SCV didn't throwed, I didn't throwed, Gyr DID throwed a bit but not by a punishable amount. The offense of gamethrow should be serious enough to not use it against every playstyle we don't like, and to not use it to corner players into playing a certain mainstream way.
I'd like to be in Matrix really, I'd plug my brain on Mafiascum for a while and next game could say "I know kung-fu", but this isn't how real life works, you actually have to fail to learn and failing is not throwing.
Now I let you focus on the new game, and HF with it, I for one will have more fun lurking than playing this one.
Last edited by PIayer; November 13th, 2017 at 03:54 AM. Reason: avoiding confusion
how does one throw when the TPR that YOU didn't lynch was the one who found gyr out? What was he going to defend against? No one CC'd mesk.
Sure, he could have said anything, but Mesk literally came in claimed sheriff and that GYRL was tpr.
Honestly, you should have bussed gyrl and bought yourself some town cred.