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Well, don't know what to think about this interaction. As I said, I don't understand SCV gameplay and he's basically null read to me because it can be aggressive town play genuinely wanting to put daychat in motion, or it can be pretending to do that while being de facto anti-town by spam/lack of reasonings/basically what SB16 said.
Won't vote him yet because of this, grounds aren't solid enough. About SB I don't see any reason to vote him atm, the way I see it, he attempted scumhunt on SCV because anti-town behavior and that's probably the only standard town reason to vote someone that early in game. Idd it could also be faked, but anyway I believe it's too soon to be relevant: you two postcount put together makes almost half of the thread boys, there is 0 interest tunneling SCV atm.
Would like to hear actual thoughts from Exeter/Gyr/Unknown/Nawa/trophy and less about SCV scummy style, at least for some time. For example: people what is your stance on D1 lynch?
I asked about raffle mechanics because I believe it's critical to know them to take an appropriate decision on this. So far the options I see: either items repop each day, and each night has a probability for multiple NKs. Or they don't, and 3 NK is the absolue maximum possible in this game (with only 1 being guaranteed controlled by mafia) (writing this I find the idea less and less likely but still, unless I'm blind I didn't see anything in the setup about this).
In case of 3 NK max we definitely shouldn't lynch, but in first case (and most probable) it's more complicated. The raw odds for random lynch D1 are obviously bad for town, but on the other hand, no-lynch-D1-idea being mainstream hurts town even more imo, as it basically make D1 chat irrelevant if no pressure is applied to people. 48h waste.
That's why I support D1 lynch. Please everyone, share your feels on this matter.
(ps:Strangely no, but I saw other people noting difficulties to get the mechanics straight. I still believe having as much info on this can only enhance town decision making. Obscurity profits mafia here.4/8 - 50%
Haven't seen any discussion started as a result of your questions, so it seemed you abandoned that altogether.
From your interpretation of it (which sounds fair to my common sense) what I get so far is: raffle with a ticket on is mandatory (in my ex.1 only one player, one ticket on one raffle, he would win this 100%) and so ties are randomized.
Now anybody correct me if I'm wrong, but that would mean maf only has to put 1 ticket each on their raffle to get 1 role each for the night. Leaving them with all their tickets -1/day to contest town raffles and I imagine especially Gold & Purple (the ones with a chance for NK). That would also mean 1NK/night average is not guaranteed AT ALL assuming true rng
I'm glad we agree on a day one lynch. I agree with the simple fact that chances are we lynch town but you are right in that a day 1 irrelevant chat is even worse. I am of the opinion of the moment of SB16 being scum but that is open to interpretation of each person based on his recent tantrum of being accused. On your point about ppl not understanding mechanics i think the majority do understand with only a minority not understanding yet.
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Here's my opinion at ppl
Townie
Scv bc he proved his point of effort and not sheep.
Player bc walls of texts are rarely seen among the scum
Marshall bc he has effort and basically involved
Stealthbomber16 for having an effor into xatching possible scum
Null
Mrtrophywire as few contribution
Dr unkown did some questions and didnt try to partcipate
Allnother non-contributers
Scum
Hybrid - haven't seen him do anything since unvote of unnecessary vote, basically the only one to have scum points right now.
Note to all enrsged faces pls:
Null category grows to Scum slowly, and the Rown has more chance into switchin to g Scum fast
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Day 1 lynch is the same as day 2 lynch: if necessary, do;
else don't.
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I may appear later, but rightnow i seriously need to rest.
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@Nawa i see you lurking, what do you think of a day 1 lynch?
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Sorry I missed your wall @Marshmallow Marshall , just read it
Still there's one thing I don't get: you first say
Then you say you vote SB for falling into your trap (from the outside and without perfect information how can you discriminate between dumbtown middle-wagon sheeping and dumbmaf middle-wagon pushing a lynch bait.) Why would you craft such a trap if you really believed sheeping is not an evidence D1 ? (fyi I don't think it is either)Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
@Stealthbomber16 : From what I've seen, you voted SCV basically for anti-town behavior. But I've seen some games with you inside with strong townie behavior. While I get how SCV can be irritating, still found your reaction a little weird, tunneling one player with slim argumentation and with little consideration for the other matters. Imo not a very towny behavior for someone voting someone on anti-town gesturing. So how do you feel about MM "trap" ?
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Define necessary? Else in saying that you avoid having to take a stance.Originally Posted by Nawa
Also why Hybrid scum points, please remind me? Afaik Hybrid is just Hybrid atm
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Enough with the paragraphs about mechanics. You could have easily posed your question in green to the host and cleared this up the previous day. You're shown what prizes are won at the day start post. As to whether items can be reused:
Are all abilities from raffles one-use?
Is it possible for e.g. the prize for the red raffle to be sheriff more than once?
You support day 1 lynch yet the only read you give was null on SCV, and you've stated yourself that pure odds don't favor town. If you want a productive lynch, then propose a scum read so we can start discussing.
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SCV I just don't like being indifferent to lynch. Lynch is catharsis.
Speaking of which @Fatalis I genuinely thought it could generate some content but well. Now we're at it:
- If a prize is won, will it be available again the next day or will the raffle happen between what's left?
- Could you confirm what happen when mafia each put a single ticket on black lottery: do they each get a guaranteed (random)black prize?
I know very well I haven't voted, nothing really jumped into my face so far. I don't vote on pure gut/sheeping, need at least a tiny bit of reason. Also tbh last game is clouding my judgment a bit (SCV/Hybrid "scumcream" flipped townies, and the most townie of them all flipped Mafioso).
I intended to park my vote somewhere before going ZzZ, but I first need a full reread (time)
(looking forward to your own scum reads btw)
Lmao I didn't project shit, tho your interpretation is actually amazing.
Also please dont meta-ize it, it's your way you played town I've found irritating, your avatar in other words. I truly love all the humans in the world <3 and WILL provide free hugs once the game is done
I did get that #169, question is, is this an allowed stance? Do not care for D1 lynch and care as much D2 as D1 (= not)? And D3 as much as D2? So we play Mafia but don't care about lynch. That's why I asked a definition of "if necessary", so it can actually mean something
Not getting that is scummy T.T why you do this to me SC, because he just townreaded you?
What am i doing to you player? Who townreaded me? Nawa? I still want SB16 lynched ive stated it before. Also in regards to #169 that clarifies things. I came across to me as you literally not understanding what he wrote.
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Didn't wanted to do a feel list that early this game, but so far my odt looks like it..
Will post & vote sh!t before going to sleep
And you haven't defended yourself from when you are still currently L-2
Note that it's L-2. More into this when I get into:
Spoiler : Marsh's Asskiss of a Case :
I'm using 50 post pages. It's easier for everyone involved if you just use the post number (ex: #140) for reference, or quote it.
Thank you, this includes the answer to the first question of mine. Or at the least I'm satisfied enough to accept it.
Wooo! Productive wallpost with spare time to make a meme.
Lol, how did you miss my wall...
So, why did I craft such a trap? Because easy lynch and sheeping is NOT the same thing. There's a reason why there are two terms to describe it ;)
Sheeping: Following someone's vote (or general opinion) without thinking. Can be a sign of scummy behavior or a sign of not very clever townie/new player/lost townie.
Easy lynching: Jumping on a fake argument gave by someone OR on a mistake in the words of the player to easy lynch to get a free lynch on a town aligned member. Is a scum strategy.
That said, SB16 is not a new player. I don't think he's lost. I think he knows what he's doing. That's why my vote is on him.
FUCK the visual didn't work.
Direct link.
oooo... that was the B /B thingy... I wondered what it was... hey I don't check vote count when I vote, that doesn't make me scummy. Maybe just a bit newbish ;) and the only thing you did here is saying that you bullshited all game without contributing. Now I'm going off, see you all!
Player I see ya lurking, post already. I'm waiting to get some sleep until you post.
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I was promised a wall player, WHERE MY WALL?
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Lol you shouldn't wait it before sleep it's far too raw atm
But I have a spoiler which may help you sleep: atm I trust you and MM the most
Exeter i see you lurking, get your vote off me u scum accomplice and get sb16
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Ah,-unvote.
Your friendly neighbourhood Asian.
In this setup, where Town is not guaranteed night actions since the Mafia can participate in our raffles, it is a bad idea to wait for leads. Instead of sitting around passively, we should be proactively trying to get reads on players.
And if that means voting somebody early in the game to put pressure on them so that we can trigger some sort of response, then that's what we're going to do. And if that somehow ends up in a D1 lynch, so be it.
That doesn't mean I am hellbent on getting someone lynched D1. If nobody seems scummy to me, I'll just unvote. But if someone smells like ass to me, then hell yeah I'm not going to hesitate about lynching D1.
As for my thoughts on SCV:
1. He started a random lynch.
2. He might simply be Town/proactive player trying to start the ball rolling, in which case it's a dick move for us to penalise him for that.
3. If he's evil, he might be relying on us thinking that way to get himself off the hook.
4. His whole "SB16 and Nawa are working together" argument is kinda undermined by Marshmallow defending him.
One possible conclusion is that SB16 and Nawa are Mafia, or SCV and Marsh are. But I doubt it. More likely, the Mafia are just lurking around watching the outspoken ones going at each others' throats.
Of course, maybe that's what they're counting on, but meh, we gotta start somewhere.
So I'm going to vote one of the quiet ones.
-vote mrtrophywife
Your friendly neighbourhood Asian.
Well then. I am going to sleep. Unfortunately my appearance tomorrow may be zero to the odd pop in. I am going to an amusement park tomorrow(Canada's Wonderland) with friends and dinner after so my appearance tomorrow is unknown. I still believe SD16 is scum and I wholeheartedly put my vote on him. I will probably not change my vote or even appear before day ends tomorrow, maybe pop in for a random one liner if i go to piss or something. I hope you all take SD16's tantrum and incredible defensiveness as evidence as his scumminess and I hope I come back at end of day to SD16 being lynched. Player I stayed up as long as i can to see your wall of text but unfortunately i did not get to see it. Gl every1.
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So long sorry, I multitasked
See you at wake!
Spoiler : Those I trust atm :
Spoiler : On SCV/SB16 Drama :
-vote Stealthbomber16
Spoiler : Null read/would lynch raffle: please contribute more or be shuffled in lynchpool when I wake up, apathy is hurting town and D2 will be built on D1 =3 :
Spoiler : Cold War Bonus :
/update sorry SCV I did my best
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I had a feeling it was a trap, but from SJ and not MM.
I played with scv before as town, he sheeps, he starts lynch trains and jump on them. So I will be a bit conservative when voting him
SB is actively scum hunting, maybe too aggressive, but still that doesn't qualify as scum points
Hybrid is silent. Am I in a dream? Either he is busy with RL or he is playing the lurking game. Will be waiting for him to return
Gyrlander our host from last game, I want to hear your thoughts on the scv- sb, the mm trap and d1 lynch