Just Wondering

[Amidamaru]

Ive noticed this happening a lot so I was just wondering if it could be considered game throwing, the thing im wondering about is people seem to lead a lynch on a person based on his name, and lynch him no matter what he does, An example would be is that hes on the stand and is a mayor that reveals himself and they still lynch him

[Luna]

If a player is offensive, aggressive and has an insulting name, then I wouldn't consider it game-throwing. Ridding yourself of someone highly unpleasant through a voting majority is fine in my book ^^ Especially if it's early on in the game.

I mean, lynching a revealed mayor is stupid, but in this game if people don't want to play with you then you're going down.

[Amidamaru]

i mean i can get lynching an annoying person but i dont think the players should really give a fuck about names

[oops_ur_dead]

If there is a town majority and they lynch a revealed mayor, then it is almost certainly gamethrowing. Lynching a confirmed mayor who is gamethrowing himself is fine, though.

[Sookie]

personally i wouldn't consider it game throwing to outright persist in the lynching of a random person for a random reason. (such as name, color ect.) because in reality you don't know what that person is, he could be bad for all you know. also random lynching is a viable strategy. it may not be the best(most of the time its just a bad idea) but it is something.

once as a citizen i have picked out a random person as a serial killer with false evidence and gotten him lynched, and low and behold i was right. he really was the SK. luck happens.

[Ash]

this has happened to me before, i've been lynched on d1 for having a name with the word nigger in it.
its not cool.

I don't think it's game-throwing, maybe it's more like griefing, since they all are trolling so hard, they will want you lynched, no matter what. Griefing is the next step of trolling.

[Amidamaru]

random lynching is more of an end of the game strategy, and for the people saying its ok that they can be lynched if they have an insulting or offensive name then those people should suggest getting mafia getting a filter beacuse that is a really stupid reason to random lynch, random lynching is only ok when all your sheriffs and investigators are dead, even though the mayor was just an example, i think it should be considred game throwing if they lynch a obvious townie, players shouldint give a fuck about names and just play the game, if a guy is being annoying and trolling of course thats diffrent, you might as well lynch him, but a guy with a bad name shouldint be random lynched if hes playing normaly

[Sookie]

I'm often randomly targeted for lynch and acusations day 1 and 2 for being a donor and having the name "Snookie" *rolls eyes*

i guess random lynching is kind of Grey area. its very situational if its griefing, someone just trying to get them killed for what ever reason, or backed by unknown evidence.

i don't agree with random lynches for what ever reason(unless as mentioned by Amidamaru the last option) but i also don't think its bad enough to be punished for. i can think of much worse things people could do then get someone randomly lynched for no reason. this is of course if the player doesn't know if hes on his team or not. if he knows, or it is very apparent he is and still pushes the lynch, i agree that is unacceptable.

just my 2 cents

[Amidamaru]

i dont think random lynching is a grey area, it seems pretty obvious to me, its either a last resort type guess when your at the end of the game or maybe a mafia or an exec can lead one if town is stupid enough, anything else is probably someone just trolling and i think donors are targeted more no offense but a lot of donors do troll and people just try to get them out of the game early, it dosent really have that much to do with your name, unless it's colored, which im guessing it is, but even if it isint people are going to want to kill the donor and maybe even try to lead random lynches just to find you, im just kinda stating the obvious

[Raptorblaze]

Ive noticed this happening a lot so I was just wondering if it could be considered game throwing, the thing im wondering about is people seem to lead a lynch on a person based on his name, and lynch him no matter what he does, An example would be is that hes on the stand and is a mayor that reveals himself and they still lynch him

How it was explained it to me:
Townies knowingly lynching a CONFIRMED town who is not gamethrowing himself (example would be a mason lynching the mason leader), would be griefing and/or gamethrowing.
Mafia lynching their own teammates is not gamethrowing unless they revealed their team and are trying to lose. Mafia commonly votes off its own team to avoid suspicion.
While we're on the subject, it works similarly with night kills by town.
Vigilante shooting a donor with a colored name, even if they are say, a revealed mayor.
Jailor jailing and executing a known townie because they are a donor.

The point is if town (at night or via lynch) knowingly or with reasonable certainty kills off a member of the town who isn't (trolling/griefing/gamethrowing) themselves, it is gamethrowing or griefing at least.

[Amidamaru]

that sounds about right to me raptor

[CmG]

HEck you have problems. If i join games i get greeted with "oh its CmG random insult". Then 3 - 5 people name themself CmG and everytime somebody screams LYNCH CmG!!! I get scared. :/

[Sookie]

How it was explained it to me:
Townies knowingly lynching a CONFIRMED town who is not gamethrowing himself (example would be a mason lynching the mason leader), would be griefing and/or gamethrowing.
Mafia lynching their own teammates is not gamethrowing unless they revealed their team and are trying to lose. Mafia commonly votes off its own team to avoid suspicion.
While we're on the subject, it works similarly with night kills by town.
Vigilante shooting a donor with a colored name, even if they are say, a revealed mayor.
Jailor jailing and executing a known townie because they are a donor.

The point is if town (at night or via lynch) knowingly or with reasonable certainty kills off a member of the town who isn't (trolling/griefing/gamethrowing) themselves, it is gamethrowing or griefing at least.

pretty much what i was trying to say, but you said it much better

[Lazers]

Lynching a confirmed/mostly confirmed role on your side = gamethrowing
Trying to get town to lynch some guy who has no confirmed role based on his name = griefing

afaik

[Raptorblaze]

Lynching a confirmed/mostly confirmed role on your side = gamethrowing
Trying to get town to lynch some guy who has no confirmed role based on his name = griefing

afaik

See that's the grey area, but I'd probably agree with your definition if I was a mod.

[Luna]

Leading a lynch on someone based on their own, handpicked name is not necessarily griefing.

Picking your name is one of the first opportunities for a Mafia player to begin manipulating their opponents.

[Lazers]

Leading a lynch on someone based on their own, handpicked name is not necessarily griefing.

Picking your name is one of the first opportunities for a Mafia player to begin manipulating their opponents.

The fuck are you talking about? You get names BEFORE roles, they have no goddamn relevance.

[Lysergic]

The fuck are you talking about? You get names BEFORE roles, they have no goddamn relevance.

Technically, you get your role before your name. You just don't see it until after your pick a name.

However, it's a good point. There are certain names that will not draw unnecessary attention to yourself, and other names that are very likely to be lynched / checked / attacked. If you don't think the name you choose is important, then you haven't played enough.

In a recent game, someone named Rebecca Black got lynched on the first day without trolling. She was Jester. All she did was pick the right name, without even knowing what her role was. If I'm worried about rolling Mafia, I don't pick a name that will draw attention (donor colors, etc.).

[Lazers]

good reasoning bro

except that's just coincidence, even if the roles were generated BEFORE you picked your name and revealed after (which they aren't), it's still just sketchy guesswork. generally, you'll want to pick an incognito name and just play the game from there

someone picking a name like "Rebecca Black" is just blatantly going to troll the game, and the fact they got Jester was probably a surprise to them

again, like raptor said, its a gray area. if the lynched probably wanted to be lynched (see that godawful name above), then its likely that most people, including a mod or two, will ignore it

[Archangel69]

If I EVER use a donor name or something or use a commonly used name by me I will die on night one half the time just because I'm Archangel.. this is harassment.

[Sookie]

If I EVER use a donor name or something or use a commonly used name by me I will die on night one half the time just because I'm Archangel.. this is harassment.

pretty sure there's some kind of point bonus for killing archangel night/day 1 iirc

[Raptorblaze]

If I EVER use a donor name or something or use a commonly used name by me I will die on night one half the time just because I'm Archangel.. this is harassment.

Can you just set your signature to "....this is harassment" and save yourself the trouble of typing it every time?

[Lysergic]

good reasoning bro

except that's just coincidence, even if the roles were generated BEFORE you picked your name and revealed after (which they aren't),

Lawl. Pretty sure you're wrong about that. Like, 90%. Roles are assigned, then names are chosen.

it's still just sketchy guesswork. generally, you'll want to pick an incognito name and just play the game from there

someone picking a name like "Rebecca Black" is just blatantly going to troll the game, and the fact they got Jester was probably a surprise to them

again, like raptor said, its a gray area. if the lynched probably wanted to be lynched (see that godawful name above), then its likely that most people, including a mod or two, will ignore it

I'm just saying that you can't write off name strategy. Hell, there was a whole thread dedicated to talking about different name trends (someone noticed that starting with some sort of title - like Dr. or Mister, etc - tended to make you less likely to be targeted than a recognizable character name). There's strategy because the player picks it, regardless of what their role is.

[Lazers]

I'm just saying that you can't write off name strategy. Hell, there was a whole thread dedicated to talking about different name trends (someone noticed that starting with some sort of title - like Dr. or Mister, etc - tended to make you less likely to be targeted than a recognizable character name). There's strategy because the player picks it, regardless of what their role is.

It's just such a terrible method unless you're picking a name that won't garner much attention, and people who do otherwise usually aren't attempting any plan of action anyway

In a sense, name strategy doesn't really apply to the game because there are only two goals you can definitely have at the time of name-choosing, i.e. "get lynched" or "don't get lynched". Everything else is guessing, and that's not the definition of strategy as outlined in most dictionaries I know