S-FM 233: 8-2-2

[Mesk514]

Question: Can spoilers be put inside spoilers? y/n?

yes

[Gyrlander]

Question: Can spoilers be put inside spoilers? y/n?

Yes.

[Scvmurderer]

Also guest might have been Nawa as well. He knew that he was replaced and he might have just wanted to gain time by doing that so.
Now my reads after this thing i realized

Town
Mesk (she doesnt even know what she is doing atm)
PIayer (like c'mon if he is triad i ll vote him for MVP, it s so hard to comment that much of game while not slipping words out of your mouth)

Not Sure
xramza ( he might be neutral evil such as judge or sth like that. 40% Neu Evil 10% Triad 50% town)
Otakudaweeb (The same reasoning as my previous guest assumption)
mrtrophywife, theunknown (they r afk)
SuperJack (i really don t know he is anyways. Superjack does superjack things.

Scum LV1 (lowest)
Nawa (He has a great chance of being guest since he knew that he was replaced, he was around the forum when gyrlander announced it)
ScvMurderer(Same reasonings as i did in D1)

Scum LV2
TheDarknessLight (Claimed vig, didnt confirm. Doesnt joins the game and post things. Has a chance being the guest, a great chance. ALSO IT IS NOT A VIG KILL, VIG CAN T AFFORD A FUCKING FIGHTER PLANE)

We are genuinely wasting our time. Please.

Also


To help fix things up. I'll be waiting to vote again. As it stands Scv, Trophy, TDL still seem like legitimate lynches. Oh, Hybrid too especially now.

My activity might particularly lull until tomorrow night. Am gonna do my by-golly darndest to keep a hold of this rodeo, though.

The SJ + Mesk thing is still looming in my mind. I feel like I should not have come outright with it because with my side statement alone I'm sure if they really are a pair they've become more mindful of it, so it'll be null until something more revealing pops up. Could still really be reduced to a gut instinct based on their interaction.

I truly think one triad is between Scv/Hybrid and that the other is hiding within the less active/shitposty group. Neutral evil sense still sitting on Mesk, but Otaku seems more of a strange presence as well in retrospect. Throwing more thoughts out there, not much has changed from my original reads.

Hm, get off my ass xramza and vote hybrid with me, he is clearly scum with his shitposting and deflecting of attention onto TDL right now. Hybrid wants an easy vote to delay another day and thats me and TDL. I still pick Hybrid as scum.

-vote Hybrid

[xramza]

Dunno how I was getting on your ass. If anything I weighed you both equally. Seems like you're just throwing out a weak non-defense to try and strongarm your way out of pressure.

[Scvmurderer]

Also guest might have been Nawa as well. He knew that he was replaced and he might have just wanted to gain time by doing that so.
Now my reads after this thing i realized

Town
Mesk (she doesnt even know what she is doing atm)
PIayer (like c'mon if he is triad i ll vote him for MVP, it s so hard to comment that much of game while not slipping words out of your mouth)

Not Sure
xramza ( he might be neutral evil such as judge or sth like that. 40% Neu Evil 10% Triad 50% town)
Otakudaweeb (The same reasoning as my previous guest assumption)
mrtrophywife, theunknown (they r afk)
SuperJack (i really don t know he is anyways. Superjack does superjack things.

Scum LV1 (lowest)
Nawa (He has a great chance of being guest since he knew that he was replaced, he was around the forum when gyrlander announced it)
ScvMurderer(Same reasonings as i did in D1)

Scum LV2
TheDarknessLight (Claimed vig, didnt confirm. Doesnt joins the game and post things. Has a chance being the guest, a great chance. ALSO IT IS NOT A VIG KILL, VIG CAN T AFFORD A FUCKING FIGHTER PLANE)

We are genuinely wasting our time. Please.

Also

-unvote

To help fix things up. I'll be waiting to vote again. As it stands Scv, Trophy, TDL still seem like legitimate lynches. Oh, Hybrid too especially now.

My activity might particularly lull until tomorrow night. Am gonna do my by-golly darndest to keep a hold of this rodeo, though.

The SJ + Mesk thing is still looming in my mind. I feel like I should not have come outright with it because with my side statement alone I'm sure if they really are a pair they've become more mindful of it, so it'll be null until something more revealing pops up. Could still really be reduced to a gut instinct based on their interaction.

I truly think one triad is between Scv/Hybrid and that the other is hiding within the less active/shitposty group. Neutral evil sense still sitting on Mesk, but Otaku seems more of a strange presence as well in retrospect. Throwing more thoughts out there, not much has changed from my original reads.

Scvmurderer is now part of my town block btw

Mesk you are a rollercoaster of emotions. I don't know what you are anymore.

Efekannn Is A God, He Will Save Us All
It's Said That He Also Is A Squirrel In Shape Of Train

I like this Nawa.

[Scvmurderer]

I like this Nawa.[/QUOTE]

FFS I gotta work on remembering to unquote last posts.

[Scvmurderer]

I like this Nawa.

FFS I gotta work on remembering to unquote last posts.[/QUOTE]

FFS and now i left a half quote.

[Scvmurderer]

What, I don't even. No more quotes for me.

[Hybrid]

@Scvmurderer

[Mesk514]

im an ocean of emotions, what do you want from me? you and i are united now!

[Hybrid]

ok gonna sleep my vote's on TDL, if necessary i l lswitch to scvmurderer other than that i m not feelingl ike lynching

[Scvmurderer]

@Scvmurderer

[Scvmurderer]

ok gonna sleep my vote's on TDL, if necessary i l lswitch to scvmurderer other than that i m not feelingl ike lynching

Two days of no lynching seems incredibly bad. Y would you want to postpone a lynching for another day?

[Mesk514]

ok gonna sleep my vote's on TDL, if necessary i l lswitch to scvmurderer other than that i m not feelingl ike lynching

wtf is wrong with you

[Otakudweeb69]

Preface: This is not an iso. This is more of a reads list, an explanation, a correlation that may or may not imply causation.

Spoiler : PIayer stance :

grrr MM, cant leave screen because of you

Drop the Hybrid vote man, you know it won't happen. Read my post and leave him be.

also xramza same thing, update your vote or address my points

3/ Current lynchpool

RLVG still contributed the least. Not knowing how hard is his RL issue is actually hintering us. If he just can't play it's wasted pressure, but regarding the game and not any meta consideration, the reason for being in lynchpool is obvious
Scvmurderer: Contributions resume to one-liners and voting the obvious. Scum lean by my book atm, basically saying "I'm here I try to help" but not making sense, not speaking his mind. You better give us something better or I'll consider switch my vote to you, Mesk & Hybrid posts may not make any sense but I can see sense in voting you atm.

4/ Tribe of the would-vote

RLVG or TDL for contributing the least. Don't think I forgot anyone?
Please write more RLVG if you want to get into category 2 or 3.
Therefore
-vote TheDarkestLight

Dr Unknown: literally unknown, I won't vote you because remember the noob block, but you better start to contribute if you don't want to start looking suspicious imo. Share your thoughts!

Scvmurderer: also null, I can't tell if #118 is filler or relevant, so I thought about how it may be a subtle mix. Please post more relevant stuff if you don't want to fall into category 4

MM: First I saw you clearly acting town, trying to make the discussion happen, genuinely I want to believe. But your good friend Hybrid also used the same motive for his shitpost, and even if the form is very different (you sound very townish, he's sounding scummy af) I believe the content of that stance is similar: basically to scream "look at me town, I'm helping!"
Now the interesting thing is, so far Hybrid didn't try to help, but I want to believe you did try, and I don't see a scenario when your play have equity while you're not town. (townies, I may miss something by saying this so I look forward to your opinions)
#80 I believe it's not THAT idiot especially that early in the game. The funny fact is, I actually gave you some scum lean points for defending me. I had done very little for the town at this moment and here you come almost instant townreading me. Found it far more weird than SJ's paranoïa.
.. Unless it was just an attempt to mimic Mesk play on Hybrid, buddying & looking for reactions, but in that case I didn't understand it better than the original =p
Your post #83 is right imo, until the Mesk & Hybrid part which I don't buy (cf my earlier post).
#106 I would have agreed but quiet people really are the most menacing atm imo (wink at RLVG)

PIayer - I found this chain of events contradictory. Dropping the Hybrid vote is all right; I can see basis for a shift away from a Hybrid lynch. But: your pressure during the first few days seemed directed primarily towards lurkers. What purpose does that serve? Most importantly I find that your vote shifting is just odd. You said your lynch pool was between scvm & RLVG, then proceeded to vote TDL. I’m not sure I understand the reasoning in general behind the TDL lynch atm, but I will agree with a TDL lynch if TDL doesn’t provide any insightful thoughts on people besides MM who has flipped exe. Piayer in general just seems to target lurkers and the biggest train, who at this moment is TDL: I believe that at this point in time a more logical vote from PIayer would be a pressure vote on Dr. Unknown, Trophy, or myself. Placing MM at null is just lazy-- I town read him and was wrong for it, but I tried my best to share thoughts on him. A general lack of willingness of pegging people as scum. Scvmurderer as well was a lazy read; the notion of him being possible scum was already introduced. Finally unknown: I have a scum lean on him; I feel like you should have at least some kind of a thought by now, positive or negative.

SJ: Even Hybrid knows that, we love you for leading town. Repeating myself at this point but for me it's either pro Town or mastermind DH, and I will give rationales against the mastermind tinfoil theories (cf part III). Odds for fun: 86% Town. 9(!)% Pro Exec building TON of town cred to win D2, but so useful atm it's town-aligned Exec, the kind of continue to lead town like a boss if win D2 (Ive seen it happen several times on the mod, Mafia always want to kill those who make the most sense, yet wasting a night kill just to STFU the Exec who already won, basically that's gg for town at this point). Still, town should remember that part if SJ start to jester in the future. 4% Lover blind-siding with Town D1 because why not, would be game theory optimum. 1% Mastermind Triad/Neutral Evil tinfoil theories (don't even)

xramza: You did meaningful contributions that made sense, got a strong Town vibe from you from the start. While this could well be acting (you did not even vote afterall), so far most of your contributions felt like you were trying to make sense. So 59% Town 41% Else atm. Would be interested reading more from you.

However, this is not to say I scum read PIayer: His genuine TOWN hunting is very strong. I really like his backing of people he claims town; SJ and xramza’s descriptions do not seem like they are being handed over on silver platters; I see genuine thought put into it.
The problem I have with PIayer is with his scum hunting and vote placement. I found this quite odd- he seems very reluctant to shake the boat and place a vote on a more active player or start a new train by prodding others.

Spoiler : Scvmurderer stance :

Before we get into this, he was my strongest scum read of yesterday so a little bias may be present. Just thoughts.

So then we are leaning to hybrid/mesk being triad then? Cuz obviously they are connected in some way

A typical association META, which isn’t bad in and of itself. What was bad however, was that despite leaning to both the players being triad, there was an awful lot of focus on specifically lynching hybrid over mesk, and sheeping involved.

Hm, get off my ass xramza and vote hybrid with me, he is clearly scum with his shitposting and deflecting of attention onto TDL right now. Hybrid wants an easy vote to delay another day and thats me and TDL. I still pick Hybrid as scum.

-vote Hybrid

Logical fallacy; please defend yourself. You’ve been prodded multiple times. Please give thoughts on people other than Hybrid, especially since D1 your strongest argument was shitposting and Hybrid was in no way the only shitposter.

Hm I work till half hour past vote timer finishes lol. I'm back to work. Will be interesting to see what happrns

What the actual heck: you’ve been active at many times during the day. NO form of scumhunting can be seen from you; NO form of townhunting can be seen from you; NO form of prodding can be seen from you. Instead, we get “will be interesting to see what happrns” -- are we playing the game for you?

Spoiler : Little short on Superjack :

Problem is if you didn't really think Hybrid was Exe, but thought he was town and hence took action.
To many people read your posts as scummy, MM could of just been saving his real target for a later day and build up town credit instead by lynching scum.

Went from strongest town read to: why are you still tunneling Hybrid? Sure, i’m fine with a Hybrid lynch, but can you think of nobody else to prod?

Spoiler : xramza stance :

This is a non-contribution, if TPR didn't have a reason to claim their role they wouldn't, and you're basically encouraging a wave of Cit claims which does nothing but group everyone, including the scum, into one spot.

Xramza is really into that NAI stuff huh

I don't agree that it's a bad idea to vote someone very early on that premise, and I think you're just looking to award scumpoints to anything you find different.

You're casting away his statements based on a scale you made yourself. I don't know what would necessitate you telling someone trying to contribute to flat out be quiet.

And now you're instantly putting the focus of the game into a certainty, which isn't a certainty at all, between these two. There's no reason, especially at this early point, to speak in these certain terms unless you're trying to mislead people.

You play the meta card on someone you know. I guess that's legitimate, but it's not substantiated with any evidence regarding this game. You say that Hybrid isn't a townie when you had just stated "any townie that wants to confuse the Town is terrible," which is admittedly a little nitpicky, but it's weird to me that you immediately dismiss he's town and then look at his play like he is town. The RLVG/TDL statement is pretty uncalled for, dunno why you jump to scumminess so quickly yet again.

Did enjoy this iso of xramza’s. Especially because xramza was focusing MM who was pushing for a Hybrid lynch. Unless Hybrid & xramza were team scum, which at this point in time I don’t believe, I feel this was a pro-town play against the relatively town read MM.

Player: #201, 224, 230 were quality posts, and since then he's been providing some quality commentary. Like a 80% for me. #440 I realize now said what I said before I did, #443 shows to me that they seem to have the exact same standpoint as I do on a lot of people Which is of course a town standpoint. The very name of this person makes them a bitch to search for post-wise, but I think my initial impression stands, Player will certainly not be a lynch as it stands.

SuperJack: I appreciate this person's presence. A voice of reason, surely. They actively make callouts and reaction test, and, honestly, everyone seems to be piggybacking. There's still a decent possibility that this could be scum, but I have severe doubt, as it's been shown several times that they pull through in areas that they didn't need to at all. (Even if, in a game with moderate-low skill players, it would be a veritable free highway for scum getting townpoints) Like an 80% again.

Reasonable town analysis, definitely shows attempt to back thoughts & serious investment into the game.

TDL | MM: This is one of the most telling exchanges in the game, I think. I was immensely impressed with TDL's rundown, but, shockingly, even more impressed with MM's defense. Hybrid's play seems to be a more extreme version of MM, but MM does -seem- to be putting through the effort even if incredibly defensive. TDL is kind of a 60/40 for me. I don't know how he typically plays, my only experience with him being long ago with him being a hyperractive cit. He's attacking and then retreating, basically. I appreciate the work put into his long post, but a lot of what he calls out seems to be a little forced. Looking to hear his second analysis.

TDL is a 60/40 from him. Keep this in mind; may be useful in vote analysis later.

Trophywife: Hard to gather information on. Makes pertinent but incomplete comments much of the time, #544 was helpful, I like the way he presents his reads but, overall, no real new information was brought to light even there. I find it interesting that Otaku is at the top of his list.

Otaku: This guy is going to take me some time to gather a real conclusion on. I think his statements in 526-528 are legitimate, though I obviously think that putting MM a townread and Scv a scumread is a mistake. Also kind of weird that he calls me out for "lurker hunting" and then proceeds to do the same in his very next post, but with only one of the two lurkers he named (TDL and Trophy).

So what about now, in regards to Trophy? I don’t like what seems to be a very passive (only town/null read) list from him. Got a conclusion on me now? I’d love to hear your thoughts on me-- I do find TDL’s lurking scummy now, as I prodded him to go search for other people but received nothing, may change my mind. When I said lurker hunting I was referring to people who didn’t contribute at all, namely RLVG at the time, who wouldn’t serve any purpose being prodded. I addressed TDL & trophy because they had at least shared thoughts.

Mesk: I saved this one for last writing this because I genuinely had no idea what to write. After reading over the entire game a good 4 more times at this point I realize that this (woman? I think) SCREAMS neutral evil to me. The left-of-field statements, the lover tangent, the now submitting to the easy Scv vote... It all seems weird to me.

The thought everyone has in their heads but doesn’t want to address lmao

Hybrid: Honestly, any reads into this guy pretty much become null if you look into his gameplay as a whole. If this guy didn't apparently have a reputation for it, I would wholesale pin this guy as a jester, but, as Otaku stated, scum can easily hide under a benign visage. I want to have some semblance of a belief that this guy is town but... His calmer posts seem to be reactionary, and his chaotic shitposting has done nothing to progress anything as of yet. I am actually getting the impression more and more that he could be an exe trying to capitalize on Scv's experience level. This being said, I still submit to Scv being a decent lynch.

MM: MM is on this list twice, because I now have two conflicting thoughts about him. I had a slight scumread on him in an earlier post, and upon closer examination, there are some weirder things. He seems to very strangely not interact with Scv to any large extent, but makes efforts to try and acknowledge him so it doesn't entirely seem like they're just spawning the same viewpoint. I would not be too surprised if the scum team was MM + Scv, but I hold my belief that the game is regrettably not that simple.

Scv: I wanted to give this guy the Unknown treatment, but I just can't. There's so much going against this man. Very very quick to assault and retaliate, speaks in very short phrases that seem to try and leave no room for anyone to analyse him in return.

(Bonus conspiracy round, AKA, the the left-of-field funhouse. The Triad pair, specifically, could be SJ and Mesk- reading over their posts again has left this as a recurring passing thought to me. Their interactions seem weird, and Mesk never really gets defensive at all against Sj.)

There's all my thoughts, I think. I've done so much viewing of this game while not at home that I haven't actually kept a separate notes document. Rereading over what I've wrote, I still have a lot of improvement to go. Overall, I think my vote's going to land here.

Here’s the part I liked most about xramza: thank you. Thank you for scum hunting, and giving legitimately new thoughts. My biggest town lean for you comes from here: legitimate analysis.

-vote TheDarkestLight

Hopefully the darkest light indeed hides the starkest blight.

Little bit of sheeping, shifted off his normal vote pretty quickly, but i’ll see how it plays out first. Interesting vote on a 60/40 as opposed to a scum read from either MM or scvm at that moment in time.

Dr Unknown: God. Call it a hunch, but, being someone entirely new, he seems to genuinely try to be helping. I cannot shake the feeling that this dude is the purest of man.

He's coming into the game and actively talking through his thought process. I can't help but feel that someone with this personality would be much more reserved coming into a scum role. I'm usually infinitely paranoid about this kind of play, but I think by day 2 or the end of today even, he'll have warmed up and become an asset.

My least favorite part: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain Dr Unknown’s holy visage to the rest of us because I seem to be too dense to get it: I don’t see a single meaningful contribution from Dr Unknown. Only worthless commentary; I get a really lazy feeling from him in general.

[Otakudweeb69]

did not manage to finish, have a driving lesson now. Be back in 2-3 hrs, will finish and give an updated read list.

[Scvmurderer]

What the actual heck: you’ve been active at many times during the day. NO form of scumhunting can be seen from you; NO form of townhunting can be seen from you; NO form of prodding can be seen from you. Instead, we get “will be interesting to see what happrns” -- are we playing the game for you?

STOP RIDING MY DICK OTAKU, Since day 1 u been on me.

Lol, I remember that. I was taunting mesk with that post. If you look at posts just before Mesk was throwing a fit that I wasnt claiming a role but was in the thread, so I replied to SJ's post instead and said be interesting to see so as to taunt Mesk lol. Also define scum hunting plz.

[xramza]

Right. I appreciate your analysis, Otaku, I'll quickly readdress the three you asked me about. Looking back there is indeed some more to be said.

trophywife - I think my opinion on him will quickly flip to him being scum if Hybrid or Scv aren't flipping scum. I also think, after taking a look at the day over last night, that I am indeed dismissing him too easily. I don't think I'd be opposed to a lynch on him as much as I was d1 simply because I realize he may be intentionally just giving us hard to read crumbs - general, agreeable statements.

Unknown - So while I was writing my reads list I just had this man and Mesk left. I had already put like six people under potential scum, and so, paired with my impression on him, I didn't see any room at all for him to be in any scum category. He's had posts similar to trophywife but different - no deflection, no instant rescinding of any disagreement, just statements that try to be good and stay there. I don't think i should have put him at 100% town indeed, and I think I should have, and do now, group him with trophywife in regards to reads even if still more town-sided than the latter.

Otaku - I retain the statement, though I don't remember if I said it outright, that you are the hardest to read in the game. Particularly because of your sporadic posting patterns and utter lack of back-and-forths as well as (I think? I don't recall and i can't go back and check now) lack of voting. This could be intentional and I could indeed go out and pin you as scum but I manage to submit to the belief that you are indeed a town that is having struggles with participation, especially given, again, the large amount of possible scum I had in my mind before I even began to consider you.

Oh, yeah, also

TDL - I think this requires a little clarification, because TDL is throwing me for a loop as well. He's the only person I have even a remote reference to on how he's previously played, and it just seems to not match up with anything I had an impression of, especially since he's apparently been away for a while. So I really just went off of what I saw, and the one big bit of contribution he put out seemed forced and lacking, but was on the same person I had pinned in my head. I also am remiss to say it but the vig claim just seems... Wrong. I dunno. He only spoke up against lynching when the pressure already began and that raised a red flag, doubly now that MM flipped a non-mafia role.

Sorry if this is all in run on thoughts or pieced together assessments. Am on mobile but felt that this deserved a proper reply.

[Scvmurderer]

The lack of activity in this thread when I'm actually at my computer and not on mobile is disturbing.

[Scvmurderer]

I think I'm a post my opinions on every1 tmrw, I''ve drank too much to give a good analysis lol.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

@Marshmallow Marshall Could you unvote? I'm currently in a bus and can't do shit.

Don't post anything else though

-unvote

There you go.

[Scvmurderer]

-unvote

There you go.

MM, you agreed with me hybrid is scum, lets get a role claim out of him at the very least and I'll drop my case against him then if believable. ATM I'm leaning TDL with his vig claim thats probably bullshit if we don't lynch hybrid.

[Otakudweeb69]

^^ MM is dead. I'm home, might have to leave after I post my updated read list considering how long it took the first time. I should be more available tomorrow and the day after to have those one on one conversations; I do have a couple people in mind i'd like to ask a little about. For starters, SJ, your vote? I'd like some explanation. Not that i'm against the train, just want some clarification.

Scvmurderer would probably be me strongest scumspect; scvm can I see your thoughts on someone besides TDL and Hybrid, who are basically the only ones you've addressed all game? And don't say some bs like "SJ is town"; I would like some scum tells that you found in other people.

[Scvmurderer]

^^ MM is dead. I'm home, might have to leave after I post my updated read list considering how long it took the first time. I should be more available tomorrow and the day after to have those one on one conversations; I do have a couple people in mind i'd like to ask a little about. For starters, SJ, your vote? I'd like some explanation. Not that i'm against the train, just want some clarification.

Scvmurderer would probably be me strongest scumspect; scvm can I see your thoughts on someone besides TDL and Hybrid, who are basically the only ones you've addressed all game? And don't say some bs like "SJ is town"; I would like some scum tells that you found in other people.

Hm, forgot mm is dead sorry about that. I'll give my opinion on others tmrw. Ill try to focus on others that aren't hybrid and TDL for your sake otaku. However i expect you to GET OFF MY DICK OTAKU.

[Otakudweeb69]

I will, i will, my finished wall post will be my last series of thoughts on you thanks for your understanding, I will now promptly "get off your dick"

[Otakudweeb69]

Preface: This is not an iso. This is more of a reads list, an explanation, a correlation that may or may not imply causation.

Spoiler : PIayer stance :

grrr MM, cant leave screen because of you

Drop the Hybrid vote man, you know it won't happen. Read my post and leave him be.

also xramza same thing, update your vote or address my points

3/ Current lynchpool

RLVG still contributed the least. Not knowing how hard is his RL issue is actually hintering us. If he just can't play it's wasted pressure, but regarding the game and not any meta consideration, the reason for being in lynchpool is obvious
Scvmurderer: Contributions resume to one-liners and voting the obvious. Scum lean by my book atm, basically saying "I'm here I try to help" but not making sense, not speaking his mind. You better give us something better or I'll consider switch my vote to you, Mesk & Hybrid posts may not make any sense but I can see sense in voting you atm.

4/ Tribe of the would-vote

RLVG or TDL for contributing the least. Don't think I forgot anyone?
Please write more RLVG if you want to get into category 2 or 3.
Therefore
-vote TheDarkestLight

Dr Unknown: literally unknown, I won't vote you because remember the noob block, but you better start to contribute if you don't want to start looking suspicious imo. Share your thoughts!

Scvmurderer: also null, I can't tell if #118 is filler or relevant, so I thought about how it may be a subtle mix. Please post more relevant stuff if you don't want to fall into category 4

MM: First I saw you clearly acting town, trying to make the discussion happen, genuinely I want to believe. But your good friend Hybrid also used the same motive for his shitpost, and even if the form is very different (you sound very townish, he's sounding scummy af) I believe the content of that stance is similar: basically to scream "look at me town, I'm helping!"
Now the interesting thing is, so far Hybrid didn't try to help, but I want to believe you did try, and I don't see a scenario when your play have equity while you're not town. (townies, I may miss something by saying this so I look forward to your opinions)
#80 I believe it's not THAT idiot especially that early in the game. The funny fact is, I actually gave you some scum lean points for defending me. I had done very little for the town at this moment and here you come almost instant townreading me. Found it far more weird than SJ's paranoïa.
.. Unless it was just an attempt to mimic Mesk play on Hybrid, buddying & looking for reactions, but in that case I didn't understand it better than the original =p
Your post #83 is right imo, until the Mesk & Hybrid part which I don't buy (cf my earlier post).
#106 I would have agreed but quiet people really are the most menacing atm imo (wink at RLVG)

PIayer - I found this chain of events contradictory. Dropping the Hybrid vote is all right; I can see basis for a shift away from a Hybrid lynch. But: your pressure during the first few days seemed directed primarily towards lurkers. What purpose does that serve? Most importantly I find that your vote shifting is just odd. You said your lynch pool was between scvm & RLVG, then proceeded to vote TDL. I’m not sure I understand the reasoning in general behind the TDL lynch atm, but I will agree with a TDL lynch if TDL doesn’t provide any insightful thoughts on people besides MM who has flipped exe. Piayer in general just seems to target lurkers and the biggest train, who at this moment is TDL: I believe that at this point in time a more logical vote from PIayer would be a pressure vote on Dr. Unknown, Trophy, or myself. Placing MM at null is just lazy-- I town read him and was wrong for it, but I tried my best to share thoughts on him. A general lack of willingness of pegging people as scum. Scvmurderer as well was a lazy read; the notion of him being possible scum was already introduced. Finally unknown: I have a scum lean on him; I feel like you should have at least some kind of a thought by now, positive or negative.

SJ: Even Hybrid knows that, we love you for leading town. Repeating myself at this point but for me it's either pro Town or mastermind DH, and I will give rationales against the mastermind tinfoil theories (cf part III). Odds for fun: 86% Town. 9(!)% Pro Exec building TON of town cred to win D2, but so useful atm it's town-aligned Exec, the kind of continue to lead town like a boss if win D2 (Ive seen it happen several times on the mod, Mafia always want to kill those who make the most sense, yet wasting a night kill just to STFU the Exec who already won, basically that's gg for town at this point). Still, town should remember that part if SJ start to jester in the future. 4% Lover blind-siding with Town D1 because why not, would be game theory optimum. 1% Mastermind Triad/Neutral Evil tinfoil theories (don't even)

xramza: You did meaningful contributions that made sense, got a strong Town vibe from you from the start. While this could well be acting (you did not even vote afterall), so far most of your contributions felt like you were trying to make sense. So 59% Town 41% Else atm. Would be interested reading more from you.

However, this is not to say I scum read PIayer: His genuine TOWN hunting is very strong. I really like his backing of people he claims town; SJ and xramza’s descriptions do not seem like they are being handed over on silver platters; I see genuine thought put into it.
The problem I have with PIayer is with his scum hunting and vote placement. I found this quite odd- he seems very reluctant to shake the boat and place a vote on a more active player or start a new train by prodding others.

Spoiler : Scvmurderer stance :

Before we get into this, he was my strongest scum read of yesterday so a little bias may be present. Just thoughts.

So then we are leaning to hybrid/mesk being triad then? Cuz obviously they are connected in some way

A typical association META, which isn’t bad in and of itself. What was bad however, was that despite leaning to both the players being triad, there was an awful lot of focus on specifically lynching hybrid over mesk, and sheeping involved.

Hm, get off my ass xramza and vote hybrid with me, he is clearly scum with his shitposting and deflecting of attention onto TDL right now. Hybrid wants an easy vote to delay another day and thats me and TDL. I still pick Hybrid as scum.

-vote Hybrid

Logical fallacy; please defend yourself. You’ve been prodded multiple times. Please give thoughts on people other than Hybrid, especially since D1 your strongest argument was shitposting and Hybrid was in no way the only shitposter.

Hm I work till half hour past vote timer finishes lol. I'm back to work. Will be interesting to see what happrns

What the actual heck: you’ve been active at many times during the day. NO form of scumhunting can be seen from you; NO form of townhunting can be seen from you; NO form of prodding can be seen from you. Instead, we get “will be interesting to see what happrns” -- are we playing the game for you?

Spoiler : Little short on Superjack :

Problem is if you didn't really think Hybrid was Exe, but thought he was town and hence took action.
To many people read your posts as scummy, MM could of just been saving his real target for a later day and build up town credit instead by lynching scum.

Went from strongest town read to: why are you still tunneling Hybrid? Sure, i’m fine with a Hybrid lynch, but can you think of nobody else to prod? Edit: now prodding trophy….? Explanation would be nice

Spoiler : xramza stance :

This is a non-contribution, if TPR didn't have a reason to claim their role they wouldn't, and you're basically encouraging a wave of Cit claims which does nothing but group everyone, including the scum, into one spot.

Xramza is really into that NAI stuff huh

I don't agree that it's a bad idea to vote someone very early on that premise, and I think you're just looking to award scumpoints to anything you find different.

You're casting away his statements based on a scale you made yourself. I don't know what would necessitate you telling someone trying to contribute to flat out be quiet.

And now you're instantly putting the focus of the game into a certainty, which isn't a certainty at all, between these two. There's no reason, especially at this early point, to speak in these certain terms unless you're trying to mislead people.

You play the meta card on someone you know. I guess that's legitimate, but it's not substantiated with any evidence regarding this game. You say that Hybrid isn't a townie when you had just stated "any townie that wants to confuse the Town is terrible," which is admittedly a little nitpicky, but it's weird to me that you immediately dismiss he's town and then look at his play like he is town. The RLVG/TDL statement is pretty uncalled for, dunno why you jump to scumminess so quickly yet again.

Did enjoy this iso of xramza’s. Especially because xramza was focusing MM who was pushing for a Hybrid lynch. Unless Hybrid & xramza were team scum, which at this point in time I don’t believe, I feel this was a pro-town play against the relatively town read MM.

Player: #201, 224, 230 were quality posts, and since then he's been providing some quality commentary. Like a 80% for me. #440 I realize now said what I said before I did, #443 shows to me that they seem to have the exact same standpoint as I do on a lot of people Which is of course a town standpoint. The very name of this person makes them a bitch to search for post-wise, but I think my initial impression stands, Player will certainly not be a lynch as it stands.

SuperJack: I appreciate this person's presence. A voice of reason, surely. They actively make callouts and reaction test, and, honestly, everyone seems to be piggybacking. There's still a decent possibility that this could be scum, but I have severe doubt, as it's been shown several times that they pull through in areas that they didn't need to at all. (Even if, in a game with moderate-low skill players, it would be a veritable free highway for scum getting townpoints) Like an 80% again.

Reasonable town analysis, definitely shows attempt to back thoughts & serious investment into the game.

TDL | MM: This is one of the most telling exchanges in the game, I think. I was immensely impressed with TDL's rundown, but, shockingly, even more impressed with MM's defense. Hybrid's play seems to be a more extreme version of MM, but MM does -seem- to be putting through the effort even if incredibly defensive. TDL is kind of a 60/40 for me. I don't know how he typically plays, my only experience with him being long ago with him being a hyperractive cit. He's attacking and then retreating, basically. I appreciate the work put into his long post, but a lot of what he calls out seems to be a little forced. Looking to hear his second analysis.

TDL is a 60/40 from him. Keep this in mind; may be useful in vote analysis later.

Trophywife: Hard to gather information on. Makes pertinent but incomplete comments much of the time, #544 was helpful, I like the way he presents his reads but, overall, no real new information was brought to light even there. I find it interesting that Otaku is at the top of his list.

Otaku: This guy is going to take me some time to gather a real conclusion on. I think his statements in 526-528 are legitimate, though I obviously think that putting MM a townread and Scv a scumread is a mistake. Also kind of weird that he calls me out for "lurker hunting" and then proceeds to do the same in his very next post, but with only one of the two lurkers he named (TDL and Trophy).

So what about now, in regards to Trophy? I don’t like what seems to be a very passive (only town/null read) list from him. Got a conclusion on me now? I’d love to hear your thoughts on me-- I do find TDL’s lurking scummy now, as I prodded him to go search for other people but received nothing, may change my mind. When I said lurker hunting I was referring to people who didn’t contribute at all, namely RLVG at the time, who wouldn’t serve any purpose being prodded. I addressed TDL & trophy because they had at least shared thoughts.

Mesk: I saved this one for last writing this because I genuinely had no idea what to write. After reading over the entire game a good 4 more times at this point I realize that this (woman? I think) SCREAMS neutral evil to me. The left-of-field statements, the lover tangent, the now submitting to the easy Scv vote... It all seems weird to me.

The thought everyone has in their heads but doesn’t want to address lmao

Hybrid: Honestly, any reads into this guy pretty much become null if you look into his gameplay as a whole. If this guy didn't apparently have a reputation for it, I would wholesale pin this guy as a jester, but, as Otaku stated, scum can easily hide under a benign visage. I want to have some semblance of a belief that this guy is town but... His calmer posts seem to be reactionary, and his chaotic shitposting has done nothing to progress anything as of yet. I am actually getting the impression more and more that he could be an exe trying to capitalize on Scv's experience level. This being said, I still submit to Scv being a decent lynch.

MM: MM is on this list twice, because I now have two conflicting thoughts about him. I had a slight scumread on him in an earlier post, and upon closer examination, there are some weirder things. He seems to very strangely not interact with Scv to any large extent, but makes efforts to try and acknowledge him so it doesn't entirely seem like they're just spawning the same viewpoint. I would not be too surprised if the scum team was MM + Scv, but I hold my belief that the game is regrettably not that simple.

Scv: I wanted to give this guy the Unknown treatment, but I just can't. There's so much going against this man. Very very quick to assault and retaliate, speaks in very short phrases that seem to try and leave no room for anyone to analyse him in return.

(Bonus conspiracy round, AKA, the the left-of-field funhouse. The Triad pair, specifically, could be SJ and Mesk- reading over their posts again has left this as a recurring passing thought to me. Their interactions seem weird, and Mesk never really gets defensive at all against Sj.)

There's all my thoughts, I think. I've done so much viewing of this game while not at home that I haven't actually kept a separate notes document. Rereading over what I've wrote, I still have a lot of improvement to go. Overall, I think my vote's going to land here.

Here’s the part I liked most about xramza: thank you. Thank you for scum hunting, and giving legitimately new thoughts. My biggest town lean for you comes from here: legitimate analysis.

-vote TheDarkestLight

Hopefully the darkest light indeed hides the starkest blight.

Little bit of sheeping, shifted off his normal vote pretty quickly, but i’ll see how it plays out first. Interesting vote on a 60/40 as opposed to a scum read from either MM or scvm at that moment in time.

Dr Unknown: God. Call it a hunch, but, being someone entirely new, he seems to genuinely try to be helping. I cannot shake the feeling that this dude is the purest of man.

He's coming into the game and actively talking through his thought process. I can't help but feel that someone with this personality would be much more reserved coming into a scum role. I'm usually infinitely paranoid about this kind of play, but I think by day 2 or the end of today even, he'll have warmed up and become an asset.

My least favorite part: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain Dr Unknown’s holy visage to the rest of us because I seem to be too dense to get it: I don’t see a single meaningful contribution from Dr Unknown. Only worthless commentary; I get a really lazy feeling from him in general.

Spoiler : trophy analysis :

Town-
Otaku- almost forgot to put you lol you were last not first if that has some merit. Very solid points on not rushing to a Lynch- I agree completely. Although you haven't said much, what you do say is of very high quality- especially your most recent posts.
TDL really like your stuff man in depth and easy to understand. I agree with alot of what you have to say and Im eager to get your input on others.
Xramza- No bullshit. Precise with his points. Gives good information and is confidenti in what they say in between his 17 daily naps. Nothing bad I've seen (yet).
SJ- Very good cross examiner and I feel like a solid town although take my analysis with a grain of salt since ~80% of the discussion is directed towards Hybrid. More on him later.
Player- See "Xramza"
In between town and null-
MM- man I respect you and I don't know if it's just how you play but the aggressiveness is strong on Hybrid and those who claim against you. If your ploy is to confused you win because I am completely scatterbrained after reading 20 pages of you and Hybrid spar. If I cut out the passive aggressiveness against hybrid and your town in my eyes.
Null-
Anyone who hasn't posted much (RLVG, Unknown, kind of mesk?, Myself.) I'll give the benefit of the doubt since it's still day 1 and rushing a Lynch normally isn't a solid strat for town.
I don't have any super strong scum points, so I'll consider this "under null but not scum" -
Hybrid- man calm down lol it's all good think about what you're going to type I don't even know what you're saying half the time and try to shake off the 4v1 (which is how it's been today) with a solid defence and you'll be set. Don't go raging on us and you'll be less scummy. The way you switch votes and sporadically lash out on others makes yourself more of a target which is a downward spiral. Used to think you were just playing bored citizen or something with the way you stirred up the pot but now I'm worried about you..
Scv- sorry you gotta be everyone's target today I just don't appreciate when the majority of the content is lynch suggestions.
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The last paragraph in particular, really irks me. “I don’t have any super strong scum points”. I as a new player also noticed that when I was doing reads list (in pulp fiction): I tended only to town lean people. I’d give some good evidence as to why town people were town-- but found it hard to accuse anyone of being scum. I feel like this wishy washy on the border shit is kind of scum indicative; would be fine with a trophy lynch. Would however like to see a description from SJ first. Points about MM/SJ/Xram/PIa/my reads seem a little more in depth, where as TDL’s stuff being “easy to understand” is NAI; would like some description from trophy on that matter.

Yes.
Don't take my advice with great respect tho I'm not the most seasoned player lol

Woke up and read ~15 pages. Musk is not scummy at all to me- just a shitposter, that happens. loki has worded his posts in a way so confusing that he sounds both innocent and guilty at the same time. Tbh I agree with player on pretty much everything lol

I feel like the whole “dont take my advice with respect”/”is confusing to me” is just an excuse not to have to do anything. This is kind of just lazy; go and do some more productive stuff

Spoiler : Dr unknown :

So hybrid is ultra defensive now, partially understandable because almlst everyone is attacking him. However, his method of defense is amusing. 3-4 posts ata time, mostly posts with no information, defensive posts or posts attacking whoever is accusing him.
Sj is actively attempting to scum hunt, with more or less good reasons, either a good townie or very good triad
Player, when he is here, seems to hlep well, given tht he is in the newbie block like me, unlikely to be triad
The darkest light started to be useful, let's hope he keeps that pace
Still waiting for Otakudweeb69 and mrtrophywife to give more data

Rlvg is still out of the picture, let's hope he fixes his net soon

“Still waiting for otaku and trophy to give more data” ive given you more data. Now work with it. Unknown is probably my second lynch candidate, owing mostly to the fact that he didn’t give a vote yesterday. Now, I realize I didn’t either-- but that was because my hours didn’t line up, and I didn’t realize that I wouldn’t be back before EoD. I wanted to place a vote on scvm. Unknown hasn’t portrayed himself as someone capable of placing his vote himself, he didn’t even sheep a vote yesterday. Actually, all I got from him was “waiting for more data” “seems to help well” “either a good townie or good triad” and going after the already tunneled Hybrid. I don’t like this-- someone who doesn’t contribute original thoughts is often a scum trying to hide relatively low. I am disappointed in the lack of pressure on unknown.

Spoiler : TDL :

Alright... person number one. Marshmallow Marshal. Tbh, I didn't want to do this guy originally, cause he was voting me and it might be seen as OMGUS, but even so, good go to where I think I see scum.

Post #11 is just meh.
I don't like this. It's like you want everyone to think that. Like a neutral evil communicating with the triad or some shit.

In post #16 he agrees with wanting a d1 lynch. Which in my opinion, is solidly anti-town. Will explain in the next paragraph.
He then continues with the D1 lynch idea in his next few posts. He goes on to say that the scum are disorganized without a night chat. However, in my experience, the scum just need to know who their partners are, and see what they're doing to figure out what's going on, and the scum almost fully control D1 lynches as D1 gives no potential for mathematical solving, night actions, or reactions to night events. Some people in the past have proclaimed this to be a highly anti-town thing as more lynches = more town controlled kills. However I disagree with d1 lynches being town controlled kills as we have no reliable method of discerning the scum as I fully believe that people are simply poor with reading, in particular on D1. As such, especially with the possibility of a Jailor and no kidnapper possibility, I fully support a no-lynch unless there is a very strong scum read on someone.

He then reacts shockingly to Mesk claiming Citizen, and then proceeds to claim Citizen himself. As I stated in my second post this is very, very poor. If anything, the only motivation I could see for it besides sucking is scummy. To potentially lure TPRs out.

41 consists of him asking questions. He seems like he's asking just shit questions to make himself seem townish. Especially as I noted earlier with him including me in his list. More on that, he included the Hybrid-Mesk into it too which imo is just stalling the town as that's been talked about up a storm already. Keeping pressure off himself imo.

#80 & #86: Almost scum points? It's like soft pointing fingers at someone without actually trying to tick them off and turn them on you.

Then shit posts and Mesk+Hybrid Lover idea. I disagree with the idea of them being lovers. I haven't seen Mesk play in a long time, and never seen Hybrid, but if they have even an ounce of a brain in their heads, they wouldn't be stupid enough to go out revealing that kind of shit right off.

See, this isn't so bad... until you see the instant contradiction in his next post.

So you know how he is... then why are you complaining about him?

#130: Shows him really trying to push on Hybrid and Mesk. Thy are his only scum reads. Something to note.

He just digs in at 229.

#308: A heavy seeming defense whilst still trying to push a Hybrid lynch despite nothing but shit meta reads that literally no one else could understand. It's just "I know this guy! Trust me folks! I won't steer you wrong!" This screams executioner or scum trying to get an easy kill. If he is scum, I'd have to say Judge. Also, the heavy defense of himself in this post is what makes me think neutral evil is most likely, as with a mislynch today, assuming no vigilante we could end up in a potentially unwinnable situation if we lose a town today, another tonight, judge activates tomorrow between town, another town dies that night, and suddenly its 4v2v1v1, where it depends on the Benign. Also, why are RLVG and I scummy? We're lurkers, I hardly see that as scummy, just annoying. Not to mention your defense is pushing attention onto other people. Scummy.
#309: Just more pushing at Mesk and Hybrid.

#311: This also just points to scumminess. He calls out Mesk as potentially being scum, but also... excuses the same behavior he calls scummy in the same exact post. "She always acts weird and I always scum read her but then she's town. So I scum read her this game because she's weird." Why? It just seems
like you want attention on them.

#319: The entirety of his opening scum read on Hybrid was his connection to Mesk. Now he says since that is seemingly gone Mesk is no longer a big scum read but... Hybrid still is. Really intent on Hybrid here mate.

#323: This is what makes me think you are not executioner and probably neutral evil. You ask any night kill to go onto Hybrid. This is scummy for so many reasons, but the biggest is that you're trying to direct TPRs. This is not something you want to do as town unless you can mathematically prove that doing these specific actions will win the town the game guaranteed. Scum would do it however to push any night kill away from themselves.

#328: More shit pointing out softs. Stop, scummy.

#416: So, something I didn't pick up on really earlier, was a potential connection between MM and SJ. MM just seems to be going ham on stating SJ as town, and defending him. Scummy... perhaps I was wrong about Neutral Evil? I wouldn't be surprised.

Ah, TDL. He seems to be the train for today-- and I will say I am a bit confused by this. I feel to start out with, him going after MM, who was relatively town read, was a pretty bold move that a scum wouldn’t play. Second, there’s the fact that TDL has claimed. If we lynched all claims, what the hell are we supposed to do? Now, I disagree with the whole “don’t lynch D1” bit of his post. I was unable to vote day 1 because I didn’t conceptualize time, but if I had, I would’ve definitely pushed for a lynch. However, with that in mind, I believe if he were scum, he would have either A: bussed a scum!Hybrid, or B: sheeped on to Hybrid’s lynch. This is the biggest reason I view TDL as a town; I think that a scum!TDL would have been all for a Hybrid lynch that day. Now, he hasn’t responded in a while. That knocks off a bunch of points off his town cred; I feel like a veteran player such as TDL would want to participate more. However, I am still inclined to have at least a town LEAN on him, if not a read.

No. Scum can just throw out a few potential hints in their posts to try and boost their attempt at a TPR claim later game. And they can do it for multiple roles so they can pick what best suits them at the time and then pass off the other softs as people "just grasping at straws".

This might be a potential issue with TDL; wifom strats & all, claiming because he himself is a scum doing this very thing.

To avoid getting lynched, I'm the Vigilante. I guess that goes against the scenario I mentioned, but that was mostly in reference to me being lynched and not being able to stop said scenario.

Also this brings me to another reason I abhor d1 lynches. It just reveals TPRs. But no matter how many times I say it, stupid fucks don't understand.

But at least he gave justification as to why he doesn’t like day 1 lynches. I think TDL would be a better day 3 or 4 lynch, and that today we should focus on more pressing matters.

Spoiler : Hybrid :

LIKE SERIOUSLY I VE FACED OVER 6 PUSHES AND PLAYED THIS GAME 4VS1 SO FAR

This one’s a fun one as well. I think this one is an exasperated town; basically a null but if I had to pick between town and scum I would pick town. There are a few reasons for this: I think an executioner would simply be paired to a town role. If an executioner were to call out a scum member, drawing attention to them, the game would be a bit unbalanced. Of course, this assumes that MM’s target was Hybrid, but with the way things are now it seems quite plausible. Secondly, all of his shitposts and AtEs just give me a exasperated citizen feel. I would personally recommend against a Hybrid lynch, unless TDL goes through and flips scum.

Spoiler : Mesk :

Listen, someone who has been reading this thread actively for about 45 minutes and hasn't chimed in, totally scummy AF! get a fucking claim, pressure this bitch.... TDL is legit away, Murderer isnt.... for fuck sakes

Ah, Mesk. Shitposter extraordinaire. Kudos to you for starting the game; it was your whole lover gambit that got our chat all riled up. Long story short, I lean town on this one. I feel a scum Mesk would be a bit more ok with a Hybrid lynch; I feel like if Hybrid & Mesk were scum team she is calling too much attention to Hybrid; I feel like if Mesk & someone else were scum team she would be calling too much attention to herself. I might make an exception for a possible SJ/Mesk &/or Scvm scumteam, as SJ & scvm tunneled Hybrid to draw attention away from Mesk. Possible that Mesk is calling out scvm to gain town cred. For now, sticking town lean.

Town Reads
Xramza: general good vibes from this dude. Introducing a possible Neutral Benign feel from Mesk is quite interesting, the new perspective makes him my current strongest town read. I guess since I started the trend: 80%
PIayer: I feel this account does a great job town hunting. More solid reads on the scum side might be nice, but the straightforwardness from him to me seems legit towny: 60%
SJ: Dropped a little since my last reads list. I don’t like his focus on Hybrid and now trophy, addressed in the spoiler above. 50%

Town Leans
Hybrid/Mesk: Honestly just process of elimination. I feel like their actions are too attention grabbing to be scum, heck I don’t even find their actions scummy just attention grabbing. Mesk is a bit on the lower side. Around 20% and 10% respectively.
TDL: I feel like is town, but is giving me a lot of reason to think otherwise with his inactivity. Give me something to work with; reads on others would be really appreciated .-. 10% due to lack of participation

Null to scum
Nawa - n/A, lack of posts 0%
mrtrophywife - Similar to Unknown: lack of thoughts and sheeping, but at least placed a vote. Only surface level commentary. 10%
Dr Unknown - 2nd/1st strongest scum lean if I’m to be honest. Wishy washy, didn’t place a vote yesterday, prodded a couple inactives I think but only after sheeping other people’s thoughts, and tbh only offered commentary on other people’s thoughts. Nothing original, I don’t like it. 20%
Scvmurderer - My would be lynch for today: possible deflection off Mesk, tunneling Hybrid, seems like agenda’d/opportunistic scum trying to pick low hanging fruit of Hybrid yesterday, and most of all just a lack of reads. 30%

Nawa, any thoughts on anyone at all? Lmao

My lynches today would be
1 - scvm
2 - unknown
3 - trophy

I would be willing to switch to anyone else if I see a compelling case against them, particularly in the case of Mesk/TDL if it’s something we haven’t seen yet. I feel there is a general lack of evidence against the TDL lynch, but i’d be willing to switch. Thank you for your time.

PS: this was 12 pages on google docs lmao

-vote Scvmurderer

(just to place my vote)
Probably off for today, you should be able to expect more 1 on 1 conversations with me tmrw and the day after. Would love thoughts from you peepz. peace.

[Otakudweeb69]

(in case you're wondering, there's 9 spoiler tags out of 12 people in game. 1 person is me, 1 is the dead MM, and 1 is Nawa who hasn't posted enough)

See you boiz another time kappa

[Scvmurderer]

(in case you're wondering, there's 9 spoiler tags out of 12 people in game. 1 person is me, 1 is the dead MM, and 1 is Nawa who hasn't posted enough)

See you boiz another time kappa

I just hope you return before vote so you can change the terrible vote.

[xramza]

Right. I'm going to go ahead and take the easy vote since my main reason for subverting myself from him (that Hybrid was genuinely just a benign exe/jester looking to screw with him) is pretty much gone. So now if Scv does end up flipping town which, rereading, seems more and more unlikely to me, we have some logical next steps. It seems like such, such an easy lynch, deceptively so, and it bothers me. But I don't have reason for it to anymore, I guess. We've got plenty of ways outside of the normal lynch to weed out scum anyhow. I just physically cannot interpret this guy's play as anything but scum and I get the feeling that it's almost unanimously so.

Again, more fragmented posts, on mobile, etc. but I do want to get a vote out now. I was going to save it as I stated before but a) my schedule for the next two days or so is unpredictable and b) more importantly, I feel like especially with the latest stagnation of the day chat pressure is more and more necessary.

-vote Scvmurderer

[PIayer]

great content otaku

will take time to answer properly

in the meantime I agree on

-vote SCVmurderer

scv, do you get why you're susp af, and what do you have to say about this. Also about the others matters, you gave little to no insight.

[xramza]

A final word before I retire for the night-

ANY scum that is lynched now makes reads regarding interactions much more viable. If a lynch happens and a scum is flipped, spend that night lookin' at their posts for, as I've loved to call it this game very vaguely, "weird stuff." These reads are already important and I've tried to include them, but they start to have more weight once some certainty is attained.

I feel like I don't need to give a tutorial but it's just a thought that I felt might prove helpful to us in general. Much love. Goodnight.

[Scvmurderer]

A final word before I retire for the night-

ANY scum that is lynched now makes reads regarding interactions much more viable. If a lynch happens and a scum is flipped, spend that night lookin' at their posts for, as I've loved to call it this game very vaguely, "weird stuff." These reads are already important and I've tried to include them, but they start to have more weight once some certainty is attained.

I feel like I don't need to give a tutorial but it's just a thought that I felt might prove helpful to us in general. Much love. Goodnight.

Too bad I'm not scum, though it seems the scum want to lynch townies.

[mrtrophywife]

Like your stuff Otaku. Thank you, like others have, for calling me out. Appreciate the solid points you bring up, and I hope this isn't too shallow for you ;)- just joking.

[SPOILER]

I don’t like what seems to be a very passive (only town/null read) list from him. Got a conclusion on me now? I’d love to hear your thoughts on me.

I understand what you're saying- perhaps a optimistic look at the game isn't what you, or anyone, is looking for. When red flags go up, you will be the first to know.

Lol it sounds like you're taunting me for an opinion in the second part- understandable. You like big plays and game changing opinions that change how the game flows (see: Xramza circle jerk). Anything you don't see as agreeing or the complete opposite is shallow and not contributing. I respect your outlook, but I haven't seen anything to make me go completely crazy and tunnel.

The last paragraph in particular, really irks me. “I have any super strong scum points”. I as a new player also noticed that when I was doing reads list (in pulp fiction): I tended only to town lean people. I’d give some good evidence as to why town people were town-- but found it hard to accuse anyone of being scum. I feel like this wishy washy on the border shit is kind of scum indicative; would be fine with a trophy lynch. Would however like to see a description from SJ first. Points about MM/SJ/Xram/PIa/my reads seem a little more in depth, where as TDL’s stuff being “easy to understand” is NAI; would like some description from trophy on that matter.

I feel like the whole “dont take my advice with respect”/”is confusing to me” is just an excuse not to have to do anything. This is kind of just lazy; go and do some more productive stuff.

I don't quite understand what you're trying to say here. You sympathise with me, staying you had a similar kind of thinking when you were in my shoes, but then go on to call me scummy? I can see how an optimistic view can set off some alarms in people's minds, but you have to come to terms with the fact that opinions change. You can't expect me to stay so headstrong about something I don't believe in.

What is NAI?

TDL's first wall of text resonated with me for whatever reason. We both agreed that rushing a lynch isn't good for town- although I was speaking in context of within the first 24hrs of the game starting, to where be was speaking of the entire d1. I liked the way he argued his points- straight forward. Thank you for calling me out on that, looking back it did need some clarification.

You're absolutely right about your last point, and my reasoning may come off as equally lazy to you. I had about ~3 minutes before I had to leave, and I wouldn't be back until the day was over. I wanted to put in a vote, but didn't have the amount of time j wanted to mull over my decision. I went with my gut, and felt guilty about it. I'm going to level with you: that was a way to cover my ass. Going forward I feel like you'll be seeing less of that.

mrtrophywife - Similar to Unknown: lack of thoughts and sheeping, but at least placed a vote. Only surface level comment.

Trying to find the happy medium between shallow drawn-thin content and tunneling. Ill try harder I guess.
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Hope that was enough- this is my last post for about ~7 hours. Be back soon. Sianara.

[PIayer]

Nice depht Otaku

To answer point by point

Spoiler : spoils within spoils within spoils :

Spoiler : on me :

Preface: This is not an iso. This is more of a reads list, an explanation, a correlation that may or may not imply causation.

Spoiler : PIayer stance :

PIayer - I found this chain of events contradictory. Dropping the Hybrid vote is all right; I can see basis for a shift away from a Hybrid lynch. But: your pressure during the first few days seemed directed primarily towards lurkers. What purpose does that serve? Most importantly I find that your vote shifting is just odd. You said your lynch pool was between scvm & RLVG, then proceeded to vote TDL. I’m not sure I understand the reasoning in general behind the TDL lynch atm, but I will agree with a TDL lynch if TDL doesn’t provide any insightful thoughts on people besides MM who has flipped exe. Piayer in general just seems to target lurkers and the biggest train, who at this moment is TDL: I believe that at this point in time a more logical vote from PIayer would be a pressure vote on Dr. Unknown, Trophy, or myself. Placing MM at null is just lazy-- I town read him and was wrong for it, but I tried my best to share thoughts on him. A general lack of willingness of pegging people as scum. Scvmurderer as well was a lazy read; the notion of him being possible scum was already introduced. Finally unknown: I have a scum lean on him; I feel like you should have at least some kind of a thought by now, positive or negative.

You ask me what purpose it does serve to poke lurkers

When I said lurker hunting I was referring to people who didn’t contribute at all, namely RLVG at the time, who wouldn’t serve any purpose being prodded

I said at least two times RLVG vote was so meh because we didn't know how hard was his RL issue and exposed in my wall of text why would I do that. I switched my vote before SJ so my doing is in line with my word on this. Still, consider the fact we actually having zero D1 info about Nawa is bad, I know we can't do anything about this now, but in the end it's still bad.
Also MM at null wasn't that lazy imo, I think I already explained why he was no D1 lynch material regardless his alignment, also it wasn't that null I gave him town cred (with only 5% being evil)
My TDL vote means nothing but "please speak" atm, it could also be on SCV or Unknown for all I care

The problem I have with PIayer is with his scum hunting and vote placement. I found this quite odd- he seems very reluctant to shake the boat and place a vote on a more active player or start a new train by prodding others

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define scum hunting plz.

xramza on dr unknown: we got minimal info on Dr Unknown atm so I think it's just a wild guess, we need Dr Unknown input to go forward on this but I don't think voting him will make it faster. so wait and see but definitely lynch worthy if he doesn't start to contribute more than D1

on scvmurderer: definitely acting scummy, far more than Hybrid, the only disturbing thing about it being its obviousness. Atm the most obvious lynch 'til TDL speak up. Would def lynch if no behavior change or at least real explanations given

on trophy: while I see what you mean, it is indeed harder to accuse anyone of being scum than to townlean them. ESPECIALLY D1, also not for ad hominem but you abstained that day. Still, I agree on the fact I'd like more commitment from trophy

on dr unknown: at this point he's also susp by my book, we need to pressure him at some point today. The lack of pressure yesterday was general, would have been harsh to lynch him for so little considering there were better leads, but not showing up for vote is aggravating circumstance. Now he REALLY needs to take the time to speak up if he wanna live..

on TDL: interesting thoughts, we noted the same boldness but you about his MM tunnel and me about his stance on lynch.
Of course he must live once he claimed, that's just too bad we were short of time and couldn't switch on SCV l-2 to get another claim.
Also if he's really Vig, it actually makes sense to me from his perspective to not NK N1. He only got one shot and SCV was still kinda random at the end of D1, lynch material but not nk worthy. As the only revealed tpr so far, it seems fair to assume maf would fear a town protective and not target him N1.
It would actually be a good thing if he started acting town and saying shit tho, that's why I voted him in the first place.

on Hybrid: I won't vote Hybrid atm either, already gave reasons. Your exec point is speculative imo, it doesn't clear out Hybrid. But atm I see him helping town so fine

on mesk: I guess that's too much meta play for me to handle. We all talk about feels on Mesk but not much else. To bounce on what you said about me not scumleaning people, think about how ridiculous it would be if I voted her at this point. I should as she didn't answered me and I just don't get her way of playing atm (even if I read multiple games with her already) but if it's all about feels then fuck it. No more on mesk until rationales are actually being brought

on SJ: looking forward his reaction to your post

on Nawa: he better start talking, clock is ticking

@SCV: "im not scum" really, that's the best you can do?

[Scvmurderer]

Nice depht Otaku

To answer point by point

Spoiler : spoils within spoils within spoils :

Spoiler : on me :

You ask me what purpose it does serve to poke lurkers

I said at least two times RLVG vote was so meh because we didn't know how hard was his RL issue and exposed in my wall of text why would I do that. I switched my vote before SJ so my doing is in line with my word on this. Still, consider the fact we actually having zero D1 info about Nawa is bad, I know we can't do anything about this now, but in the end it's still bad.
Also MM at null wasn't that lazy imo, I think I already explained why he was no D1 lynch material regardless his alignment, also it wasn't that null I gave him town cred (with only 5% being evil)
My TDL vote means nothing but "please speak" atm, it could also be on SCV or Unknown for all I care

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xramza on dr unknown: we got minimal info on Dr Unknown atm so I think it's just a wild guess, we need Dr Unknown input to go forward on this but I don't think voting him will make it faster. so wait and see but definitely lynch worthy if he doesn't start to contribute more than D1

on scvmurderer: definitely acting scummy, far more than Hybrid, the only disturbing thing about it being its obviousness. Atm the most obvious lynch 'til TDL speak up. Would def lynch if no behavior change or at least real explanations given

on trophy: while I see what you mean, it is indeed harder to accuse anyone of being scum than to townlean them. ESPECIALLY D1, also not for ad hominem but you abstained that day. Still, I agree on the fact I'd like more commitment from trophy

on dr unknown: at this point he's also susp by my book, we need to pressure him at some point today. The lack of pressure yesterday was general, would have been harsh to lynch him for so little considering there were better leads, but not showing up for vote is aggravating circumstance. Now he REALLY needs to take the time to speak up if he wanna live..

on TDL: interesting thoughts, we noted the same boldness but you about his MM tunnel and me about his stance on lynch.
Of course he must live once he claimed, that's just too bad we were short of time and couldn't switch on SCV l-2 to get another claim.
Also if he's really Vig, it actually makes sense to me from his perspective to not NK N1. He only got one shot and SCV was still kinda random at the end of D1, lynch material but not nk worthy. As the only revealed tpr so far, it seems fair to assume maf would fear a town protective and not target him N1.
It would actually be a good thing if he started acting town and saying shit tho, that's why I voted him in the first place.

on Hybrid: I won't vote Hybrid atm either, already gave reasons. Your exec point is speculative imo, it doesn't clear out Hybrid. But atm I see him helping town so fine

on mesk: I guess that's too much meta play for me to handle. We all talk about feels on Mesk but not much else. To bounce on what you said about me not scumleaning people, think about how ridiculous it would be if I voted her at this point. I should as she didn't answered me and I just don't get her way of playing atm (even if I read multiple games with her already) but if it's all about feels then fuck it. No more on mesk until rationales are actually being brought

on SJ: looking forward his reaction to your post

on Nawa: he better start talking, clock is ticking

@SCV: "im not scum" really, that's the best you can do?

Plz give exact reasons and I'll see to counter point. Don't just say acts most scummy. Ya scum.

[PIayer]

Exact reason is: I don't see how you're helping town atm.

Also you asking that confirms you aren't really paying attention to daychat.

[PIayer]

So either give us a real contribution, or deal with the fact being defensive is more or less all you've done so far.

[Scvmurderer]

So either give us a real contribution, or deal with the fact being defensive is more or less all you've done so far.

Meh, tmrw ill see what I can do to convince you. Until then I guess I'm the one being lynched today.

[PIayer]

A'ight we'll see SCV, but if I may give you an advice, be deep and also speak about everybody else, don't just be defensive as that's why I call "not helping town"


Got no time for a great wall of text atm but in short, my feel list is almost like Otaku, the differences being Mesk & TDL in the null to scum category until proven otherwise. Also SJ was townread when townleading D1 but today is another day, as somebody noted at some point it would be easy to capitalize that much town cred D1 in a noobish game. It was the voice of reason D1, now we can only hope he'll keep up D2

TDL and Nawa may also be lynch candidates by EoD, but for now all they need to do is post. If no serious input from Nawa after 24h will consider voting him.

@trophy , I agree with Otaku, you need to try harder, once again you defend yourself and that's okay, but you're not contributing aside of that. You'll also need to share those feels about all the other matters and commit yourself into what you believe, if you want us to believe you are town. Please consider this when you are back

[Nawa]

MEET DA BOI
FOR I AM ON COMPUTER
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[Nawa]

A'ight we'll see SCV, but if I may give you an advice, be deep and also speak about everybody else, don't just be defensive as that's why I call "not helping town"


Got no time for a great wall of text atm but in short, my feel list is almost like Otaku, the differences being Mesk & TDL in the null to scum category until proven otherwise. Also SJ was townread when townleading D1 but today is another day, as somebody noted at some point it would be easy to capitalize that much town cred D1 in a noobish game. It was the voice of reason D1, now we can only hope he'll keep up D2

TDL and Nawa may also be lynch candidates by EoD, but for now all they need to do is post. If no serious input from Nawa after 24h will consider voting him.

@trophy , I agree with Otaku, you need to try harder, once again you defend yourself and that's okay, but you're not contributing aside of that. You'll also need to share those feels about all the other matters and commit yourself into what you believe, if you want us to believe you are town. Please consider this when you are back

I posted >7 posts already, what are you looking at??

[Nawa]

From what i see, scvmurderer is not even reacting on his L-3.
Therefore i lift him up.
[vote[scvmurderer[/vote]

[Nawa]

-vote scvmurderer

[Nawa]

NOW he is on l-2.

[Nawa]

^and this stays until he claims a role or i read everything carefully and find out who was[likely] MMs target.

[Nawa]

I could guess that Mesk is vigi and Hybrid is lo-

Oh wait, benign is out.


Anyways, i am 90% sure Mesk town and 50% sure Mesk is vigi.

[Nawa]

Page 6: Mesk514 is probably MMs target.

[Nawa]

Yeah totally, Mesk514 or Hybrid were the MMs target, most likely.
Both are experienced, so the chance the killed the accuser is low.

Therefore i go read pages further.

[Nawa]

And i efficiently take a slot of Citizen.

[Nawa]

And im back at page 9, and Mesk514 was acting like lover, which is false cuz now the exe is ded.