S-FM 233: 8-2-2

[PIayer]

Nvm nawa, its cool you being able to participate

Could you say things about the others?

Also I just realized things, so my feel list isn't fully accurate anymore. May repost a proper one when im back, hopefully we will have feedback from TDL & Unknown until then

[SuperJack]

Hey Player, let's talk.
Why do you think Marshmallow was killed?

[Nawa]

Nvm nawa, its cool you being able to participate

Could you say things about the others?

Also I just realized things, so my feel list isn't fully accurate anymore. May repost a proper one when im back, hopefully we will have feedback from TDL & Unknown until then

After Parasite run, gon be 1 min - 2 hrs

[SuperJack]

Nawa. Why do you think MM was killed?

[Mesk514]

Remove your friggen votes from murderer. He's town, back the fuck off

[Nawa]

aight im cmech, so i can afk abit in parasite

[SuperJack]

Remove your friggen votes from murderer. He's town, back the fuck off

Why is he town again ?

[Hybrid]

Hey Player, let's talk.
Why do you think Marshmallow was killed?

YEAH HE WILL CALL DOWN A FUCKING FIGHTER PLANE TO KILL HIMSELF RIGHT? OR A FUCKING VIGILANTE WILL CALL DOWN A FIGHTER PLANE WHICH S LIKE BATMAN LOL

[Nawa]

Nawa. Why do you think MM was killed?

already guessed it might be scum trying to stop accuser
also possible that someone tried to frame the mms target

[SuperJack]

YEAH HE WILL CALL DOWN A FUCKING FIGHTER PLANE TO KILL HIMSELF RIGHT? OR A FUCKING VIGILANTE WILL CALL DOWN A FIGHTER PLANE WHICH S LIKE BATMAN LOL

I'm asking the reasoning behind MMs death. Ignore the flavour, treat it as it basically saying MM was killed.

Now who would kill him, would scum kill him, what are their reasons, would town kill him, what are their reason.
It town killed him, where is the scum kill?

[Mesk514]

Why is he town again ?

Because I said so. He's now part of my town block

[Hybrid]

Spoiler : Little short on Superjack :

Went from strongest town read to: why are you still tunneling Hybrid? Sure, i’m fine with a Hybrid lynch, but can you think of nobody else to prod?

He cant think of any other easy lynch

[Hybrid]

So, ,I think so far Me,mesk nawa and Scvmurderer claimed citizen right? that makes 4 if no counter i d let scvmurd alive

[SuperJack]

Spoiler : ok :

I'm still in school but I wanted to see the start

Pretty slow start huh

I'll try my best to scumhunt when we get some more posts ^~^

Do we do a cop cover strat? Y/n?

My take on neutral benign- keep them alive as an extra vote if we know their identity unless they seem like agenda'd scum playing benign

I am in favor of a lynch today; L-2 as long as possible so nobody just WWE style RKO's outta nowhere

I think: benign shouldn't be actively hunted for, because a scum could pose benign

Bait? Please elaborate

Rereading through the setup: I revoke my statement about cop cover as there are only detectives and lookouts

"Roles won't be completely random" for balance sake I assume there is likely 1 TP, 1 TI, and 1 TS?

Sorry SJ, my point was moot since there's no sheriff/investigator type, there are only lookout and detective types. My bad. I would think generally in a setup that most towns would want to agree with a cop cover strat tho, is that not the meta here?

I would like to point out that Superjack's play this game seems a bit different from a couple others i've read, can't place my head around it quite yet, might solidify/disprove this thought with a few more posts from him

Sorry if it wasn't clear, I said that "I am personally in favor of a cop cover strat" or something along those lines, so I did in fact want a cop cover strat to start going, but then I realized I was a dumb shit and there are no roles to cover for lol

I wasn't treating your difference from usual as a scum tell; I was treating as maybe a town tell but i might have to throw that out the window if it's due to other circumstances haha

fair enough, i'll check myself before I wreck myself

MM > what the hell? your read list?? didnt you literally just prod player for pleading the 5th? why're they on your town read list, pray tell? xwa whatever I found his strategy sharing NAI, not enough for a conclusive town read. The only one i'm town reading atm is Superjack, he seems to be actively scumhunting.

Mesk & Hybrid dealio: I think this is a red herring; I don't believe that Mesk has the lover rolecard or she might've just outright claimed it tbh. Scum pairing is possible, but I think analyzing Hybrid would be easier to do here.

If you want reads:
Town - superjack due to a strong start, but I will keep in mind that as scum he gets townread by many people and then drops to shitposting
Town lean - MM but I don't like his reads list much, I just like his eagerness to play the darned game

Null - Xramza strategy spec sounds nice but at the end of the day is still NAI, possibly agendad scum trying to push for town cred
Null - Mesk and her usual citizen claim stuff yeah yeah I can't read you for claims any more
Null - Hybrid and his usual shitposts, will have to see later

Scum lean - player only had one message, but that in itself is a scum tell to me: judging from the setup page player seems to have an actively participating kind of personality (maybe like mine) and would want to go into a game ready to play, but for him to have popped in and acknowledged the game yet still add nothing is kind of just susp

... did MM and Mesk both claim citizen...? I recommend that for now we stop with citizen claiming

I'm going to be doing some homework now, i'll see what peoplez have said in the morning

starting off with an apology post as I catch up; my hours will usually be 5 PM - maybe 10 PM central because of school, it will depend on the day; getting caught up

My point here is: Don't hunt for benign, hunt for scum. If we find someone who we peg as benign and just ignore them all game, but they turn out to be scum, then it'll be harder to push for a train on them as the evils would defend them with things like "don't lynch the confirmed benign go for the scum" or something; which is why instead of going for benign now we should focus more on scum relationships.

.... ??? what? that makes no sense to me. At the time you posted this, if I remember correctly, player had 1 post and you were trying to get them to talk more yet put them on your town read list. That just didn't make sense to me. Now, I'm not claiming you're a scum-- you give me a vibe of confused townie, as of this post. It seems that after this post you start getting a bit more aggressive; might post thoughts on that after I finish reading through.

I sense a lot of deflection from Mesk to Hybrid, even though it seems Mesk initiated this dealio herself. As of quote 300 I peg Mesk as null/evil trying to get hybrid lynched, while MM & scvm are deflecting to put blame on Hybrid who is playing in his usual shitposty way, and off of Mesk.

what the hell scvm sheep sheep? (302, page 16) lmao what's wrong with defending yourself when you're pegged as scummy? isn't that the POINT?

Note: I am in no way defending Hybrid, please don't get that out of my posts. I am, however, critiquing MM & scvm's deflection from Mesk to Hybrid. I don't see their train of thought. As far as i'm concerned, here's what happened:

Mesk: shitposting/trying for easy lynch(?) on Hybrid by claiming to block with Hybrid!town
Everyone else: starts critiquing her for being lover
Scvm/MM: I think that mesk/hybrid may be a pair triad so lynch one to confirm! Let's go with Hybrid! (page 15/16 stuff) ...?? What?? Why is Hybrid your lynch? As opposed to possibly Mesk? I would like some explanation because I don't understand your thought pricess

if I misunderstood something, plesae do correct me

Rather I don't like Hybrid's defense being "nope ur exe" so I can see Hybrid being scum; I just really don't like scvmurderer & MM's plays here, focusing the lynch on Hybrid over Mesk

Scratch: It's really just scvm I'm concerned with, MM's logic seems a lot more reasonable. Would continue my townlean on MM; with scvm as a scumlean. I just think MM is tunneling Hybrid a bit; I didn't see any examples of "Hybrid defending hardcore, as opposed to Mesk", especially since that's their meta regardless of their role. Rather, in the last few games I played with Hybrid, it seems like whenever he was accused as a scum he just gave up (which might have cost us the win in S-FM pulp fiction)

aaaaand you leave before I can prod you, for going "these people are lurkers go prod them" instead of giving something of real value. I'd like to see a vote placed by Dr Unknown; see where he takes things.

Great, a read list from me is probably a good idea so I can organize my thoughts.

Town read:
SJ - currently at the top of my town reads list. Very active player that is actively pointing out flaws with other people's reasoning, and taking a very focused attitude on the game. Goes against his scum meta which appears to be comparatively lurkey after establishing some town cred. 80%
TDL - Quote w/ substantiated reads on a single player. Would love thoughts on others besides MM, but for now I really like that TDL is able to tell others what he thinks in a precise manner that can be responded to relatively easily. Agree with the actions of TDL, not the conclusion. 45%
MM - Gives me a vibe of the tunneling townie. I disagree with TDL's conclusion that MM is scum because from meta, MM seems to lurk a lot more as a scum. Can't tell for certain, however; I find his scumhunting to be tunneled, but still towny. 60%

Town lean: (TDL & PIayer can be considered as interchangeable)
PIayer - love the analysis from you! I don't like the vote or lurker hunting, but the scumhunting seems genuine. 45%
xramza - setup spec: NAI. However, I will say that the general participation of this account gives me the feel of perfectly townie. Not too involved, not too lurky. Loses some cred for lurker hunting on RLVG & trophy, I can see reasoning behind lurker hunting me though. 25%

Null:
Sorry everyone is bound to have some null reads, here is mine
Trophy - lack of posts/I really don't know what to say

Scum points of everyone else: (They are null, scum lean, or scum reads)
RLVG - lack of posts. This would go under null, and *will* go under null if RLVG is just a busy boi, and can't help it. However, I feel RLVG has a go-getter personality and usually posts a lot, so this is kind of unsettling. 5%
Hybrid - I don't know what to say about this one. I started off with just a dumb town but he quickly lost credibility because he wouldn't scum hunt himself. I would accept this lynch. 25%
Scvmurderer - my top lynch candidate. Pops in for what seems like just vote count. I honestly don't know what to say; my biggest issue is his sheeping. No explanation for Hybrid lynch. While I would go for a hybrid lynch, nothing from scvm. I also felt like scvm drew attention away from Mesk to get a lynch on Hybrid, not entirely sure what agenda this is but I do feel like it is indicative of one. 30%
Mesk514 - Citizen claims benefit... basically nobody; a lot of attention called to hybrid for what appears like no reason, and a general lack of flame pointed in her direction. 10%
Dr unknown - It seems superjack already addressed this but i'll say it again. COMMENTARY, not CONTENT. Seems to have no thought process of his own; and I really would have liked to see where a vote from this person would land. 20%

Things we need to address: stop OMGUSing please. I want to see thoughts on other players, not just the ones grilling you ;-;

would REALLY love more content from TDL because interactions from such a focused player would be helpful in general

Gonna step out for a bit, hopefully will be able to come back. Will give a chance for scvm and Hybrid to actively scumhunt before placing a vote on either. Sorry for post spam, i'll compile that stuff into one post next time I just wanted to get thoughts out using emotes like a cool kid

... I'm still in school and will be until 4:50 or so central.
I will say there were a lot of posts I liked, and a lot I disliked. Wall post when I get home.
Vote explanation: I wanted to vote scvm; didn't know how much time I had left before day end, and was unable to access a device due to a driving test. That's my excuse-- you can consider my suspicions as being placed on scvm if that helps. I'm risking getting a 0 on a test to type this lmao
If you want proof for this, I was pressuring doctor for lack of vote despite myself not placing one myself; I thought doctors lack of vote was scummy but I wasn't able to place a vote of my own in time. Please be understanding; once again a wall post when I get home

Just got on computer. The wall post creation commences. For the prodding on me I see a lack of questioning which is kind of just... ok
my lack of vote was explained in a post from me on the last page. I still don't know how to format colors, i'll make do with bold. Be back in a while.

Question: Can spoilers be put inside spoilers? y/n?

Preface: This is not an iso. This is more of a reads list, an explanation, a correlation that may or may not imply causation.

Spoiler : PIayer stance :

PIayer - I found this chain of events contradictory. Dropping the Hybrid vote is all right; I can see basis for a shift away from a Hybrid lynch. But: your pressure during the first few days seemed directed primarily towards lurkers. What purpose does that serve? Most importantly I find that your vote shifting is just odd. You said your lynch pool was between scvm & RLVG, then proceeded to vote TDL. I’m not sure I understand the reasoning in general behind the TDL lynch atm, but I will agree with a TDL lynch if TDL doesn’t provide any insightful thoughts on people besides MM who has flipped exe. Piayer in general just seems to target lurkers and the biggest train, who at this moment is TDL: I believe that at this point in time a more logical vote from PIayer would be a pressure vote on Dr. Unknown, Trophy, or myself. Placing MM at null is just lazy-- I town read him and was wrong for it, but I tried my best to share thoughts on him. A general lack of willingness of pegging people as scum. Scvmurderer as well was a lazy read; the notion of him being possible scum was already introduced. Finally unknown: I have a scum lean on him; I feel like you should have at least some kind of a thought by now, positive or negative.



However, this is not to say I scum read PIayer: His genuine TOWN hunting is very strong. I really like his backing of people he claims town; SJ and xramza’s descriptions do not seem like they are being handed over on silver platters; I see genuine thought put into it.
The problem I have with PIayer is with his scum hunting and vote placement. I found this quite odd- he seems very reluctant to shake the boat and place a vote on a more active player or start a new train by prodding others.

Spoiler : Scvmurderer stance :

Before we get into this, he was my strongest scum read of yesterday so a little bias may be present. Just thoughts.

A typical association META, which isn’t bad in and of itself. What was bad however, was that despite leaning to both the players being triad, there was an awful lot of focus on specifically lynching hybrid over mesk, and sheeping involved.

Logical fallacy; please defend yourself. You’ve been prodded multiple times. Please give thoughts on people other than Hybrid, especially since D1 your strongest argument was shitposting and Hybrid was in no way the only shitposter.

What the actual heck: you’ve been active at many times during the day. NO form of scumhunting can be seen from you; NO form of townhunting can be seen from you; NO form of prodding can be seen from you. Instead, we get “will be interesting to see what happrns” -- are we playing the game for you?

Spoiler : Little short on Superjack :

Went from strongest town read to: why are you still tunneling Hybrid? Sure, i’m fine with a Hybrid lynch, but can you think of nobody else to prod?

Spoiler : xramza stance :

Xramza is really into that NAI stuff huh

Did enjoy this iso of xramza’s. Especially because xramza was focusing MM who was pushing for a Hybrid lynch. Unless Hybrid & xramza were team scum, which at this point in time I don’t believe, I feel this was a pro-town play against the relatively town read MM.


Reasonable town analysis, definitely shows attempt to back thoughts & serious investment into the game.


TDL is a 60/40 from him. Keep this in mind; may be useful in vote analysis later.


So what about now, in regards to Trophy? I don’t like what seems to be a very passive (only town/null read) list from him. Got a conclusion on me now? I’d love to hear your thoughts on me-- I do find TDL’s lurking scummy now, as I prodded him to go search for other people but received nothing, may change my mind. When I said lurker hunting I was referring to people who didn’t contribute at all, namely RLVG at the time, who wouldn’t serve any purpose being prodded. I addressed TDL & trophy because they had at least shared thoughts.


The thought everyone has in their heads but doesn’t want to address lmao


Here’s the part I liked most about xramza: thank you. Thank you for scum hunting, and giving legitimately new thoughts. My biggest town lean for you comes from here: legitimate analysis.

Little bit of sheeping, shifted off his normal vote pretty quickly, but i’ll see how it plays out first. Interesting vote on a 60/40 as opposed to a scum read from either MM or scvm at that moment in time.


My least favorite part: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain Dr Unknown’s holy visage to the rest of us because I seem to be too dense to get it: I don’t see a single meaningful contribution from Dr Unknown. Only worthless commentary; I get a really lazy feeling from him in general.

did not manage to finish, have a driving lesson now. Be back in 2-3 hrs, will finish and give an updated read list.

^^ MM is dead. I'm home, might have to leave after I post my updated read list considering how long it took the first time. I should be more available tomorrow and the day after to have those one on one conversations; I do have a couple people in mind i'd like to ask a little about. For starters, SJ, your vote? I'd like some explanation. Not that i'm against the train, just want some clarification.

Scvmurderer would probably be me strongest scumspect; scvm can I see your thoughts on someone besides TDL and Hybrid, who are basically the only ones you've addressed all game? And don't say some bs like "SJ is town"; I would like some scum tells that you found in other people.

I will, i will, my finished wall post will be my last series of thoughts on you thanks for your understanding, I will now promptly "get off your dick"

Preface: This is not an iso. This is more of a reads list, an explanation, a correlation that may or may not imply causation.

Spoiler : PIayer stance :

PIayer - I found this chain of events contradictory. Dropping the Hybrid vote is all right; I can see basis for a shift away from a Hybrid lynch. But: your pressure during the first few days seemed directed primarily towards lurkers. What purpose does that serve? Most importantly I find that your vote shifting is just odd. You said your lynch pool was between scvm & RLVG, then proceeded to vote TDL. I’m not sure I understand the reasoning in general behind the TDL lynch atm, but I will agree with a TDL lynch if TDL doesn’t provide any insightful thoughts on people besides MM who has flipped exe. Piayer in general just seems to target lurkers and the biggest train, who at this moment is TDL: I believe that at this point in time a more logical vote from PIayer would be a pressure vote on Dr. Unknown, Trophy, or myself. Placing MM at null is just lazy-- I town read him and was wrong for it, but I tried my best to share thoughts on him. A general lack of willingness of pegging people as scum. Scvmurderer as well was a lazy read; the notion of him being possible scum was already introduced. Finally unknown: I have a scum lean on him; I feel like you should have at least some kind of a thought by now, positive or negative.



However, this is not to say I scum read PIayer: His genuine TOWN hunting is very strong. I really like his backing of people he claims town; SJ and xramza’s descriptions do not seem like they are being handed over on silver platters; I see genuine thought put into it.
The problem I have with PIayer is with his scum hunting and vote placement. I found this quite odd- he seems very reluctant to shake the boat and place a vote on a more active player or start a new train by prodding others.

Spoiler : Scvmurderer stance :

Before we get into this, he was my strongest scum read of yesterday so a little bias may be present. Just thoughts.

A typical association META, which isn’t bad in and of itself. What was bad however, was that despite leaning to both the players being triad, there was an awful lot of focus on specifically lynching hybrid over mesk, and sheeping involved.

Logical fallacy; please defend yourself. You’ve been prodded multiple times. Please give thoughts on people other than Hybrid, especially since D1 your strongest argument was shitposting and Hybrid was in no way the only shitposter.

What the actual heck: you’ve been active at many times during the day. NO form of scumhunting can be seen from you; NO form of townhunting can be seen from you; NO form of prodding can be seen from you. Instead, we get “will be interesting to see what happrns” -- are we playing the game for you?

Spoiler : Little short on Superjack :

Went from strongest town read to: why are you still tunneling Hybrid? Sure, i’m fine with a Hybrid lynch, but can you think of nobody else to prod? Edit: now prodding trophy….? Explanation would be nice

Spoiler : xramza stance :

Xramza is really into that NAI stuff huh

Did enjoy this iso of xramza’s. Especially because xramza was focusing MM who was pushing for a Hybrid lynch. Unless Hybrid & xramza were team scum, which at this point in time I don’t believe, I feel this was a pro-town play against the relatively town read MM.


Reasonable town analysis, definitely shows attempt to back thoughts & serious investment into the game.


TDL is a 60/40 from him. Keep this in mind; may be useful in vote analysis later.


So what about now, in regards to Trophy? I don’t like what seems to be a very passive (only town/null read) list from him. Got a conclusion on me now? I’d love to hear your thoughts on me-- I do find TDL’s lurking scummy now, as I prodded him to go search for other people but received nothing, may change my mind. When I said lurker hunting I was referring to people who didn’t contribute at all, namely RLVG at the time, who wouldn’t serve any purpose being prodded. I addressed TDL & trophy because they had at least shared thoughts.


The thought everyone has in their heads but doesn’t want to address lmao


Here’s the part I liked most about xramza: thank you. Thank you for scum hunting, and giving legitimately new thoughts. My biggest town lean for you comes from here: legitimate analysis.

Little bit of sheeping, shifted off his normal vote pretty quickly, but i’ll see how it plays out first. Interesting vote on a 60/40 as opposed to a scum read from either MM or scvm at that moment in time.


My least favorite part: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE explain Dr Unknown’s holy visage to the rest of us because I seem to be too dense to get it: I don’t see a single meaningful contribution from Dr Unknown. Only worthless commentary; I get a really lazy feeling from him in general.

Spoiler : trophy analysis :

The last paragraph in particular, really irks me. “I don’t have any super strong scum points”. I as a new player also noticed that when I was doing reads list (in pulp fiction): I tended only to town lean people. I’d give some good evidence as to why town people were town-- but found it hard to accuse anyone of being scum. I feel like this wishy washy on the border shit is kind of scum indicative; would be fine with a trophy lynch. Would however like to see a description from SJ first. Points about MM/SJ/Xram/PIa/my reads seem a little more in depth, where as TDL’s stuff being “easy to understand” is NAI; would like some description from trophy on that matter.

I feel like the whole “dont take my advice with respect”/”is confusing to me” is just an excuse not to have to do anything. This is kind of just lazy; go and do some more productive stuff

Spoiler : Dr unknown :

“Still waiting for otaku and trophy to give more data” ive given you more data. Now work with it. Unknown is probably my second lynch candidate, owing mostly to the fact that he didn’t give a vote yesterday. Now, I realize I didn’t either-- but that was because my hours didn’t line up, and I didn’t realize that I wouldn’t be back before EoD. I wanted to place a vote on scvm. Unknown hasn’t portrayed himself as someone capable of placing his vote himself, he didn’t even sheep a vote yesterday. Actually, all I got from him was “waiting for more data” “seems to help well” “either a good townie or good triad” and going after the already tunneled Hybrid. I don’t like this-- someone who doesn’t contribute original thoughts is often a scum trying to hide relatively low. I am disappointed in the lack of pressure on unknown.

Spoiler : TDL :

Ah, TDL. He seems to be the train for today-- and I will say I am a bit confused by this. I feel to start out with, him going after MM, who was relatively town read, was a pretty bold move that a scum wouldn’t play. Second, there’s the fact that TDL has claimed. If we lynched all claims, what the hell are we supposed to do? Now, I disagree with the whole “don’t lynch D1” bit of his post. I was unable to vote day 1 because I didn’t conceptualize time, but if I had, I would’ve definitely pushed for a lynch. However, with that in mind, I believe if he were scum, he would have either A: bussed a scum!Hybrid, or B: sheeped on to Hybrid’s lynch. This is the biggest reason I view TDL as a town; I think that a scum!TDL would have been all for a Hybrid lynch that day. Now, he hasn’t responded in a while. That knocks off a bunch of points off his town cred; I feel like a veteran player such as TDL would want to participate more. However, I am still inclined to have at least a town LEAN on him, if not a read.

This might be a potential issue with TDL; wifom strats & all, claiming because he himself is a scum doing this very thing.

But at least he gave justification as to why he doesn’t like day 1 lynches. I think TDL would be a better day 3 or 4 lynch, and that today we should focus on more pressing matters.

Spoiler : Hybrid :

This one’s a fun one as well. I think this one is an exasperated town; basically a null but if I had to pick between town and scum I would pick town. There are a few reasons for this: I think an executioner would simply be paired to a town role. If an executioner were to call out a scum member, drawing attention to them, the game would be a bit unbalanced. Of course, this assumes that MM’s target was Hybrid, but with the way things are now it seems quite plausible. Secondly, all of his shitposts and AtEs just give me a exasperated citizen feel. I would personally recommend against a Hybrid lynch, unless TDL goes through and flips scum.

Spoiler : Mesk :

Ah, Mesk. Shitposter extraordinaire. Kudos to you for starting the game; it was your whole lover gambit that got our chat all riled up. Long story short, I lean town on this one. I feel a scum Mesk would be a bit more ok with a Hybrid lynch; I feel like if Hybrid & Mesk were scum team she is calling too much attention to Hybrid; I feel like if Mesk & someone else were scum team she would be calling too much attention to herself. I might make an exception for a possible SJ/Mesk &/or Scvm scumteam, as SJ & scvm tunneled Hybrid to draw attention away from Mesk. Possible that Mesk is calling out scvm to gain town cred. For now, sticking town lean.

Town Reads
Xramza: general good vibes from this dude. Introducing a possible Neutral Benign feel from Mesk is quite interesting, the new perspective makes him my current strongest town read. I guess since I started the trend: 80%
PIayer: I feel this account does a great job town hunting. More solid reads on the scum side might be nice, but the straightforwardness from him to me seems legit towny: 60%
SJ: Dropped a little since my last reads list. I don’t like his focus on Hybrid and now trophy, addressed in the spoiler above. 50%

Town Leans
Hybrid/Mesk: Honestly just process of elimination. I feel like their actions are too attention grabbing to be scum, heck I don’t even find their actions scummy just attention grabbing. Mesk is a bit on the lower side. Around 20% and 10% respectively.
TDL: I feel like is town, but is giving me a lot of reason to think otherwise with his inactivity. Give me something to work with; reads on others would be really appreciated .-. 10% due to lack of participation

Null to scum
Nawa - n/A, lack of posts 0%
mrtrophywife - Similar to Unknown: lack of thoughts and sheeping, but at least placed a vote. Only surface level commentary. 10%
Dr Unknown - 2nd/1st strongest scum lean if I’m to be honest. Wishy washy, didn’t place a vote yesterday, prodded a couple inactives I think but only after sheeping other people’s thoughts, and tbh only offered commentary on other people’s thoughts. Nothing original, I don’t like it. 20%
Scvmurderer - My would be lynch for today: possible deflection off Mesk, tunneling Hybrid, seems like agenda’d/opportunistic scum trying to pick low hanging fruit of Hybrid yesterday, and most of all just a lack of reads. 30%

Nawa, any thoughts on anyone at all? Lmao

My lynches today would be
1 - scvm
2 - unknown
3 - trophy

I would be willing to switch to anyone else if I see a compelling case against them, particularly in the case of Mesk/TDL if it’s something we haven’t seen yet. I feel there is a general lack of evidence against the TDL lynch, but i’d be willing to switch. Thank you for your time.

PS: this was 12 pages on google docs lmao

-vote Scvmurderer

(just to place my vote)
Probably off for today, you should be able to expect more 1 on 1 conversations with me tmrw and the day after. Would love thoughts from you peepz. peace.

(in case you're wondering, there's 9 spoiler tags out of 12 people in game. 1 person is me, 1 is the dead MM, and 1 is Nawa who hasn't posted enough)

See you boiz another time kappa

For later

[SuperJack]

So, ,I think so far Me,mesk nawa and Scvmurderer claimed citizen right? that makes 4 if no counter i d let scvmurd alive

Yeh but someone is lying obviously.

[Hybrid]

Oh waiiit, otaku claimed cit too as well so that makes 5?
Cit claims: Otaku, Nawa, Me, Mesk, scv?
Vig claim no conf=TDL
(just in case)
if i ve a wrong please fix

[Hybrid]

Anyone else feelingl ike claiming citizen? If you are you really should claim because it ll make a great advantage of who is evil and who s not.

[Hybrid]

Btw, I just remembered something that, if we have an escort the other team woulkd have liason according to what SJ said right?

Because balance does not mean 1 invest 1 prot 1 kill.
Balance means that the town roles are equally matches against scum roles. It could just be a game of roleblock, or detectives.

btw the reasoning behind i say why not was to just get this sentence off so I'll have a great understanding of what would be the enemy team would be. I wasn't sure about 1 tp 1 ti 1 tk as well so i just forced someone to say it and kept it for later

[Hybrid]

So, according to what SJ said, if we have an escort we possibly will have a liason as well which would block TDL killing someone, someone suspicous...
The reasoning behind MM kill is that to frame me, that s the only thing that makes sense or else he was obv scum/exe.

[Mesk514]

Yeh but someone is lying obviously.

yes its me thats lying... now remove your vote from murderer

[Hybrid]

yes its me thats lying... now remove your vote from murderer

WoT

[Mesk514]

damn, sj isnt even voting murderer

[Mesk514]

anyone who pushes murderer is susp. af

[mrtrophywife]

Because I said so. He's now part of my town block

Come on, I know you're not being serious. And you all call me lazy.

[Nawa]

finished the run

[Nawa]

-unvote

whoever i voted shouldnt be voted

[Mesk514]

Come on, I know you're not being serious. And you all call me lazy.

im very sirious.............

[Nawa]

started another run no visible meta for me, only mesk little suis

[Mesk514]

started another run no visible meta for me, only mesk little suis

shut up, im town... its so friggen painfully obvious

-vote Nawa

[SuperJack]

yes its me thats lying... now remove your vote from murderer

Yeh I realised that. Hence I tried to pass that onto Hybrid.

[Mesk514]

votes on murderer should be taken very seriously.

[mrtrophywife]

anyone who pushes murderer is susp. af

Why though? No beef- just wondering what your reasoning is

[Mesk514]

Why though? No beef- just wondering what your reasoning is

im mesk, my balls have dropped much farther than anyone elses in this game. thus, I've been pronounced the leader.

[mrtrophywife]

im mesk, my balls have dropped much farther than anyone elses in this game. thus, I've been pronounced the leader.

Lmao okay then

[SuperJack]

im mesk, my balls have dropped much farther than anyone elses in this game. thus, I've been pronounced the leader.

All hail Mesk.

[mrtrophywife]

It does not help your case if you want to vouch for scv by just saying "because I said so"... lots of details needed to appease some players

[Mesk514]

It does not help your case if you want to vouch for scv by just saying "because I said so"... lots of details needed to appease some players

spooderjack gets it

[SuperJack]

It does not help your case if you want to vouch for scv by just saying "because I said so"... lots of details needed to appease some players

SCV was checked by an investigation role and deemed innocent.

[SuperJack]

spooderjack gets it

I do.

-vote Nawa

[mrtrophywife]

SCV was checked by an investigation role and deemed innocent.

Okay that's easier to believe, although vague (for good reason). Thanks.

[Hybrid]

tbh, i m not going to follow mesk nor sj, my vote is still on TDL or Scvmurderer. One of them is def. scum also SJ what s ur problem with me you jerk

[Nawa]

Okay okay mesk is 0% sus 100% town

[Hybrid]

Okay okay mesk is 0% sus 100% town

You dont have to say that just because mesk and sj voted on you, i started to suspect mesk just because she is saying "scvmurderer is 100% town" without a real proof that shows liek that. Also SJ is awfully following Mesk which she had lied on her own role according to what she says. And SJ is like following Mesk blindly and as he said that "I was aware of it, i tried to make hybrid as a lier" which is scummy as fuck. If you know Mesk s claim was a lie, then why d you try to get me lynched?

Both Mesk and SJ is scumy af atm, if they were not to give a solid defence to it i will go for the SJ or Mesk lynch today.

[SuperJack]

You dont have to say that just because mesk and sj voted on you, i started to suspect mesk just because she is saying "scvmurderer is 100% town" without a real proof that shows liek that. Also SJ is awfully following Mesk which she had lied on her own role according to what she says. And SJ is like following Mesk blindly and as he said that "I was aware of it, i tried to make hybrid as a lier" which is scummy as fuck. If you know Mesk s claim was a lie, then why d you try to get me lynched?

Both Mesk and SJ is scumy af atm, if they were not to give a solid defence to it i will go for the SJ or Mesk lynch today.

I'm saying people have, and will lie about their Citizen claim.
The amount of people claiming citizen, without pressure z without reason, is incredibly stupid and even to the point of scummy.
Have you not realised yet in all the recent games where people have e willy nilly claimed citizen and caused a mass role claim the town have lost.
I'm trying to stop the TPRs from having to claim, but the people pushing for claims and claiming citizen is Scummy.

And yes that includes you.
Mesk showed her town colours yesterday during the Lynch. If she was scum she would of kept quiet, if the train was on her team mate she wouldn't so obviously defend or attack anyone. Yet she was town, she saw that SCV had been acting more scummy than TDL. And tried to push SCV.

So yes, I Trust Mesk, and I will help mesk out whilst I'm unable to dig deep into my own analysis.

[Hybrid]

I'm saying people have, and will lie about their Citizen claim.
The amount of people claiming citizen, without pressure z without reason, is incredibly stupid and even to the point of scummy.
Have you not realised yet in all the recent games where people have e willy nilly claimed citizen and caused a mass role claim the town have lost.
I'm trying to stop the TPRs from having to claim, but the people pushing for claims and claiming citizen is Scummy.

And yes that includes you.
Mesk showed her town colours yesterday during the Lynch. If she was scum she would of kept quiet, if the train was on her team mate she wouldn't so obviously defend or attack anyone. Yet she was town, she saw that SCV had been acting more scummy than TDL. And tried to push SCV.

So yes, I Trust Mesk, and I will help mesk out whilst I'm unable to dig deep into my own analysis.

Nope I wont fall to that. I won't be just let you guys say who is scum or not , espeacilly to you SJ. The assumption you made was completly wrong. If mesk were to be TPR why'd she say "I lied being citizen" ? Why wouldn't she just sit back or say scvmurderer is not scum in other ways? Maybe Mesk just slipped how do you know? Why are you trusting someone just fake claimed? Maybe she is Vanguard? Maybe she is Liason? If he were to be claimed escort det lo i mean. There s no way in hell to trust mesk that freely without she prooves that she is town and proves scvmurd town as well. There is no reason for mesk to just say scvmurderer as well. He said nothing but some garbage "i m town" thing.

[Hybrid]

-vote Mesk514

Though, I really don't want to believe mesk is scum tho.

[SuperJack]

I trust Mesk due to her reaction of the Trains yesterday. Her reaction was definitely townie from my perspective.
And I still trust her today.

I'm not going to argue with you because no matter how I try to logical prove things, or logically tell you that doing X is bad for town, you continue to do said things. And I don't know if that is pure ignorance, stupidity or because your just scum.

[mrtrophywife]

I'm trying to stop the TPRs from having to claim, but the people pushing for claims and claiming citizen is Scummy.

A worthy cause, I'm sure. But what does backing up scv with little to no evidence have to do with it?

[Hybrid]

I trust Mesk due to her reaction of the Trains yesterday. Her reaction was definitely townie from my perspective.
And I still trust her today.

I'm not going to argue with you because no matter how I try to logical prove things, or logically tell you that doing X is bad for town, you continue to do said things. And I don't know if that is pure ignorance, stupidity or because your just scum.

Like what reaction? All i remember is shitposting of her.

[Hybrid]

A worthy cause, I'm sure. But what does backing up scv with little to no evidence have to do with it?

Yes it is. And i wouldn't have say anything to this block. But after unvoting Scvmurderer, they directly voted for nawa without any reason on it. While there is an unconfirmed townie named TDL aka vig. He had to shoot scvmurderer or MM last night.