S-FM 233: 8-2-2

[The Godfather]

Dr Unknown has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


Dr Unknown (3 [L-0]): Scvmurderer, Hybrid, xramza

[Gyrlander]

The Triad Won

Congratulations to xramza & Nawa

Roles:

Hybrid - Citizen
SuperJack - Auditor
RLVG / Nawa - Dragon Head
xramza - Forger
Scvmurderer - Citizen
PIayer - Citizen
mrtrophywife - Marshall
Marshmallow Marshall - Executioner
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout
Mesk514 - Detective
Dr Unknown - Citizen
TheDarkestLight - Vigilante

Relevant Night Actions:

Night One:

SJ - Skip NA
Nawa - Kill MM
xramza - Frame Player
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout on SJ
Mesk514 - Follow scvmurderer

Night Two:

SJ - Audit Mesk
xramza - Kill Mesk
Otakudweeb69 - Lookout on Mesk
TheDarkestLight - Kill Otakudweeb69
Mesk514 - Follow mrtrophywife

(This night was amazing, xramza prevented town from knowing there was an auditor killing the victim and if it wasn't for the Vigilante shooting the Lookout the game would have been basically over lol.)


Quite sad SJ didn't win in the end. I feel he played really well, and somehow made town think there was a Judge so mrtrophywife couldn't reveal. If he had done so, I feel this game town would have won. Also, congratulations to xramza for winning after his Dragon Head being replaced and the new one dying instantly.

[Gyrlander]

@Hybrid
@SuperJack
@RLVG
@Nawa
@xramza
@Scvmurderer
@PIayer
@mrtrophywife
@Marshmallow Marshall
@Otakudweeb69
@Mesk514
@Dr Unknown
@TheDarkestLight

Thanks everyone for playing and hope you had fun! ^^

[xramza]

Oh jesus.

Turns out TDL was the scum MVP the whole time.

Sorry SJ, I didn't see a situation where
A) A neutral evil would call me out on the benign thing day 1 and
B) A neutral evil would instantly put a vote on someone claiming triad when everyone thought a judge was in the game

So It 100% felt like a guaranteed town kill. Would have wished to see you win. GG all. Wonder why Nawa decided to kill MM. I never heard from him in night chat and I was gonna kill otaku

[xramza]

Who was MM's target? Hybrid?

[Fury]

Um... you all didn't even give unknown a chance to get back in. You fucking idiots. He even was the only one to not lynch player.

[Fury]

Once again, I am glad I don't actively participate in FM xD

[Mesk514]

By knowing trophy action I was going to push xramza. GG nubs, especially to the nubs who said i townread SJ... which was not the case at all.

[PIayer]

Spoiler : Citizen Piayer reporting in :

Well, that first attempt at scumhunting went not so great XD.

D3 daychat was so bad + we losing Gvt + TDL, I felt outplayed at this point, needed to do something. I genuinely thought town lose if scum stalemate D4 daychat. Worst case scenario, I was actually lynched and at least would die like a G, not just a daychat-respecting good Citizen. But it wasn't throw, from my pov I really had the odds to do this.
Also if it actually worked, court called without me wouldn't been that bad of an outcome for town, granted the only confirmed town for me was me. It's all like xramza said, would be the last shot to lynch scum at this point, he's also the only one who said something about it being done so early day, and also with Gyr offline, both being hints of a town play from me (too bad he didn't also pointed out Judge WASN'T confirmed).
Obv could also just be noob mafia play, SJ says he's respecting me but on the other hand he prefered to believe that version over the naive-yet-genuine attempt at helping town. Me now sad/convinced he's scum

Overall feeling: Wouldn't do it again this way, but I still believe this play was not that terrible despite the outcome.

This is a scum claim, depending on a Judge to call court for an easy win. (If Judge does exist, if not then LOL)
This may seem as a loss, but here is the solution.

Judge call requires Host to be online, Gyrlander is currently sleeping which means if we can lynch piayer before the host gets a message from a Judge, thats one free scum kill.

SO EVERYONE VOTE
-vote piayer

OH DARLING i got SO much Sith Lord vibe first reading this (too bad I was dead already gg). I actually didn't consider you'd pull an Excel with claimed up/downtime of people ^^. *+ bonus xp*

Considering my own claims on meta, you should have catched I wouldn't being able to defend myself/vote here, I was at work in cleanroom no phone allowed and an Excel nerd would know my uptime pattern already. I actually consideras early day and judge was not actually 100% confirmed at all like reasonable town should have remember.
So imo from town pov your "asap panic!" reaction was as just as stupid as this gambit (actually this was a mail called Gambit_d4, just had like 2mn to refresh for night recap and copy/paste it as I believed the earlier the better for this move. If no work I would have synchro first-post it.
Actually xramza was the only one here who paid attention about what I said (cmon, GGWP in red full font size did the trick, really guys? knew town was desperate for clues but not THAT desperate, pls, I told Town how I intended to play from D1, seems only xramza saw this)

Problem lies if you are the Evil role, trying to persuade me and the others to sit back and hope it's not true.
I believe piayer is intelligent enough not to try to pull off some stupid gambit like this, we have plenty of information to scum hunt now and definitely don't need to rely on an off change that the neutral evil is a judge that believes his play.

Also if you believed his gambit you would definitely not of done the same to add to the confusion, you would of waitied to see if the action took place.

I'm so sure you were the mastermind scum at this point. Why don't share that "plenty of information" earlier, why "proscratinate" on townlead and leave daychat to Hyb/Scv playstyle 'til now, why panic people when you are indeed "intelligent enough" to know raw statistics for Judge to not be 100% confirmed boldredmaxfontsize AT ALL. Also panic just killed Marshall, objective town needed to stop panic and start brainstorming at this point, still your first reaction is to maximize panic momentum. Granted your Excel on Gyrlander on me you could have used some of that time to scumhunt instead.
Also, if I was indeed confirmed town and you actually believed the judge confirmed bs (which I don't believe at all but who knows), and the "I'll procrastinate this noob game from now on" stance was actually real, as town why not mind to least give me a chance to say smth on l-1 given your Excel. You know I'd happily vote Hybrid if only I survived few hours, when I read his "vote asap" about me I just finished work and actually LMAO in front of my coworkers. They didn't get it.

Hybrid please teach me how to be that scummy without ever being lynched <3
Accentuating panic at this time served scum agenda more than town, SJ your D1 town cred really carried you during the whole game, I maintain it was very well done. +xp

Prelude/*Getting facts right.*Everything we build, we build on what we do know for sure. Don't forget about the setup please. Jester is a possibility. Jailor is a possibility. Vet is a possibility. And so on. We know little, and there is a TON of interpretation & mindgames going on, but it helps to stick to what we DO know.*

This was from day 1

Premise 3: Judge is not 100% confirmed

This was from #1303

The way I saw it after Marshall flip: TDL will die 100%, then it's either court time and town have to contribute on the judge-mindfuck-gamble, or it's not and it's just forever-scummy-deception-filled daychat, against which citizens (and reason itself) will have almost no chance vs scum, granting their reliance on daychat and the confirmation of a cautious witch/auditor somewhere playing chaos as his win condition.
If court had been actually called, I believed my play has equity for town as ramza said. It may be obvious to experienced players and deceiving for new players but that's the best I could come with at this point given the daychat constant drop in quality and general lack of town lead (in part thanks to confirmed people afk'ing, but the whole town is guilty of it at this point)
Last thing, as we were ridiculously left as 6 implicit citizen claims and 4 tpr in graveyard, I thought only this kind of play could give fresh insights to town. Me being good-guy me just wouldn't have been enough at this point. Now I can't but hope there is no judge and they lynch SJ. SJ said there was plenty of information to scumhunt but this D4 imo you must be scum to have any perfect information about what's going on.

This was written during N4, for fun my guesses so far are SJ Maf and Hybrid>SCV>else Auditor>Witch>Judge

Tl;dr: No throw but a gamble that didn't paid. It may or may not mean it was the wrong thing to do from my perspective, please feel free to criticize to give me + xp.


/edit game's finished

Rofl GG xramza, the only scum slip I really saw was about my "judge confirmed" bs you conforted instead of questioning it. And you voting me w/o waiting for my defense, when you were the one to point out my move was more towny than scummy.
Still, you deceived everyone in the end so you deserve /mvp for overall acting the most towny of all scum (more than SJ apart from D1 imo) <3

Also the tooscumtoscum scv/Hybrid playstyle may be good for their own meta but I still believe it hurted the town in the long run, will remember that for my next game =D and them being citz in the end won't change my mind on this.

+xp gain

also 10/10 would play again

[xramza]

One day I'll roll citizen. I enjoyed your play, player. I genuinely thought there had to be a judge so I might have jumped on your lynch even if I was town. I've played 6 games and been scum every time. Great days

[mrtrophywife]

Such an interesting game. Thanks everyone for playing. The lynch on me was too fast lol I didn’t have time to reveal

[Dr Unknown]

You people. So night starts past 12 am my time, and you kill me before 3 am. Nice.
I wouldn't have thought of xrazma tbh, but SCV was looking so scummy as hell, yet wasnt put to the trial. Weird.
Same with hybrid, man, that strategy looks like game throwing, even after reading your 3 day reasoning, cant say.that it is useful 😂😂😂

[TheDarkestLight]

Everyone blaming the loss on me.

Yeah, I was inactive, but compared to some other plays this game?

Otaku practically screamed scum. Not voting the GF, insisting we didn't vote Nawa and instead ask me to waste a shot on him? Tell me how that doesn't scream scum.
Marshall not revealing and not even claiming.
And PIayer shouldn't say shit after his terrible play to claim Judge. You might see the math in it, but I don't. Admittedly, the only good thing you got out of it was xramza claiming, but in the end that didn't help at all. Besides, if it had been a real Judge, you would have been boned without a fast lynch, which just so happened to be on you.
Because even though he claimed people weren't at all willing to look at him suspiciously. -.- They just jumped on Unknown.
And you guys were at MYLO. At the very least you could have waited a day to make the 1/4 chance a 1/3 by forcing him to kill someone.

[PIayer]

I don't blame you for our loss TDL really, if you speak about my yolo post it was purely said to gather scum cred.

Yh your play was bad, but so was mine ("shit I said" is just my thought process about it hoping for criticism, but before was bad also), Trophy's, heck even SCV & Hybrid plays were bad afterall. I'm not here to throw potatoes on you, rusty Vig, I know I'm the noob here <3

[Hybrid]

First was fucking confusex the whole game
Second I m fucking bad at being town in FM since i m inexperienced (played only 4 times) i only can survive the lynches... Welp anyway lessons learned.

Also this could ve gone way different if marshall to reveal 😞

[Hybrid]

I played like a dumb sheep after all
Even though i knew piayer was tricking
Ev en though i suspected xramza
Even though in early game SJ was suspicous ytf i didn t think otherwise... Welp this game was %70 my fault

[PIayer]

I played like a dumb sheep after all
Even though i knew piayer was tricking
Ev en though i suspected xramza
Even though in early game SJ was suspicous ytf i didn t think otherwise... Welp this game was %70 my fault

Well, at least you actually scumhunted and were null read enough to develop meaningful interactions with people 'til the end. You were a bit too enthusiast on trains and not enough on tempoing yh, but you still did an okay job as Cit ('til the part you turbo lynched me but I blame myself before you on this)

While I believe I did it wrong right from the start, and I became so townie at one point, it's like TDL said, even the biggest scum claim with the biggest red font size wasn't believeable at this point (actually just believeable enough to get me turbolynched lol)
Understood during this game why it is actually important to not be TOO townread by people; through his flattery xramza was quietly setting up his lylo with me lol
Other big mistake of me: I basically townread xramza whole game just because he was one of the few having a non-antitown behaviour. I've not pressured him at all, like, ever
Also, I did big lists which were pointless for the most part and actually could be considered scummy (otaku point on me about townhunting was actually true, I first saw townhunt & scumhunt of equal importance when D1 it was obviously silly) by objective, experienced town
I don't even speak about the Enforcer claim lol, indeed it was a terrible gamble. But I feel, still, somewhat forced by the terrible image I had built before this.

So we can blame ourselves Hybrid but not too much, minus Mesk the whole town sucked this game. We just each sucked in our own way ^^. So share some of your 70% with us suckers.

Actually, wanted to congratulate @Dr Unknown on this matter, I believe overall you did a better play than me, considering we had the same fm level (= 0), just too bad you weren't here for the last critical part (Hyb/SCV didn't wait for you tbh) but still, that's more relevant to schedule than gameplay. So congratz from another noob ^^ you were definitely NOT the worst Citizen of the game. Also you were right to stay on SCV/Hybrid if that's how your heart felt; the result doesn't matter here, I believe your stance on them was more coherent than mine. And if we actually pressed them enough to improve their behavior, maybe the outcome would've been different.

But doesn't matter now, I feel Scum overall just played better, SJ playing chaos was a nice to see (had that strange boner when my lynch happened), xramza played very good considering how early his DH died and knew how to abuse the anti-town daychat saturation to stay townie just enough. Too much bs in daychat to do serious sliphunt on him (or whoever for that matter). So I'm not sick of this lose, it feels like it was deserved.


/lastwallever

Now will lurk games & farm through scummafia wiki again to try to be better next game

[Hybrid]

Well, at least you actually scumhunted and were null read enough to develop meaningful interactions with people 'til the end. You were a bit too enthusiast on trains and not enough on tempoing yh, but you still did an okay job as Cit ('til the part you turbo lynched me but I blame myself before you on this)

While I believe I did it wrong right from the start, and I became so townie at one point, it's like TDL said, even the biggest scum claim with the biggest red font size wasn't believeable at this point (actually just believeable enough to get me turbolynched lol)
Understood during this game why it is actually important to not be TOO townread by people; through his flattery xramza was quietly setting up his lylo with me lol
Other big mistake of me: I basically townread xramza whole game just because he was one of the few having a non-antitown behaviour. I've not pressured him at all, like, ever
Also, I did big lists which were pointless for the most part and actually could be considered scummy (otaku point on me about townhunting was actually true, I first saw townhunt & scumhunt of equal importance when D1 it was obviously silly) by objective, experienced town
I don't even speak about the Enforcer claim lol, indeed it was a terrible gamble. But I feel, still, somewhat forced by the terrible image I had built before this.

So we can blame ourselves Hybrid but not too much, minus Mesk the whole town sucked this game. We just each sucked in our own way ^^. So share some of your 70% with us suckers.

Actually, wanted to congratulate @Dr Unknown on this matter, I believe overall you did a better play than me, considering we had the same fm level (= 0), just too bad you weren't here for the last critical part (Hyb/SCV didn't wait for you tbh) but still, that's more relevant to schedule than gameplay. So congratz from another noob ^^ you were definitely NOT the worst Citizen of the game. Also you were right to stay on SCV/Hybrid if that's how your heart felt; the result doesn't matter here, I believe your stance on them was more coherent than mine. And if we actually pressed them enough to improve their behavior, maybe the outcome would've been different.

But doesn't matter now, I feel Scum overall just played better, SJ playing chaos was a nice to see (had that strange boner when my lynch happened), xramza played very good considering how early his DH died and knew how to abuse the anti-town daychat saturation to stay townie just enough. Too much bs in daychat to do serious sliphunt on him (or whoever for that matter). So I'm not sick of this lose, it feels like it was deserved.


/lastwallever

Now will lurk games & farm through scummafia wiki again to try to be better next game

Check on stay classy game, other games i in are bad and i got killed/lynched d1 n1

[PIayer]

I will. Already launched Black Flag Nightless on your advice ig tho. So far I had odd pleasure seeing SJ early l-1 =p

[SuperJack]

Oh jesus.

Turns out TDL was the scum MVP the whole time.

Sorry SJ, I didn't see a situation where
A) A neutral evil would call me out on the benign thing day 1 and
B) A neutral evil would instantly put a vote on someone claiming triad when everyone thought a judge was in the game

So It 100% felt like a guaranteed town kill. Would have wished to see you win. GG all. Wonder why Nawa decided to kill MM. I never heard from him in night chat and I was gonna kill otaku

I votes player because it was an obvious gambit from a townie lol. I thought you saw that.

[Hybrid]

I votes player because it was an obvious gambit from a townie lol. I thought you saw that.

next time if i werew to get town killing i d kill you first in any suspicous sign u ve made got it?

[Otakudweeb69]

Everyone blaming the loss on me.

Yeah, I was inactive, but compared to some other plays this game?

Otaku practically screamed scum. Not voting the GF, insisting we didn't vote Nawa and instead ask me to waste a shot on him? Tell me how that doesn't scream scum.
Marshall not revealing and not even claiming.
And PIayer shouldn't say shit after his terrible play to claim Judge. You might see the math in it, but I don't. Admittedly, the only good thing you got out of it was xramza claiming, but in the end that didn't help at all. Besides, if it had been a real Judge, you would have been boned without a fast lynch, which just so happened to be on you.
Because even though he claimed people weren't at all willing to look at him suspiciously. -.- They just jumped on Unknown.
And you guys were at MYLO. At the very least you could have waited a day to make the 1/4 chance a 1/3 by forcing him to kill someone.

I setup spec'd too hard, trying to clear TDL's name; I figured "we got our scum, we can get a confirmed townie out of this too" but immunity completely slipped my mind. Apologies for that ;~;

Holy shoot lol I would've caugh both the auditor and the Team scum that night aha

Sorry again for a bad play ;~;

[Otakudweeb69]

If you want meta on me, if I setup spec like that it's often because I'm TPR that can do those actions myself; like "I can prove myself and another town" stuff; if I were scum I'd have bussed the shit or of nawa

Grats xramza on your win, it sucks SJ didn't get the win in the end for his good plays; he's one of those players that the longer he's alive for the more likely he is scum

Gg again ^~^ if you're not too pissed at me id love to play another game

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Btw I'm sorry Hybrid for that tunneling... It was hard to do that for many hours xD

You should've kept me alive townies, I could have saved you all... *dies*

[Iced_Monopoly]

Good game all. Ladder will be updated later today