S-FM 233: 8-2-2

[Dr Unknown]

On a second note, I will ve asleep foe like 10hours, so won't ne replying to anything

[Otakudweeb69]

On a second note, I will ve asleep foe like 10hours, so won't ne replying to anything

aaaaand you leave before I can prod you, for going "these people are lurkers go prod them" instead of giving something of real value. I'd like to see a vote placed by Dr Unknown; see where he takes things.

[Otakudweeb69]

starting off with an apology post as I catch up; my hours will usually be 5 PM - maybe 10 PM central because of school, it will depend on the day; getting caught up

[Otakudweeb69]

That's why xramza is my lowest town read... SuperJack scum hunted. He is 95% town to me, since he did nothing scummy but he helped to keep the Town out of setup shadows. A scum wouldn't do that.

Player had WORK. He contributed. He got to bed. Shut the fuck up. You are getting at the bottom of my damn list. Make one, while you're at it!

.... ??? what? that makes no sense to me. At the time you posted this, if I remember correctly, player had 1 post and you were trying to get them to talk more yet put them on your town read list. That just didn't make sense to me. Now, I'm not claiming you're a scum-- you give me a vibe of confused townie, as of this post. It seems that after this post you start getting a bit more aggressive; might post thoughts on that after I finish reading through.

[Otakudweeb69]

I sense a lot of deflection from Mesk to Hybrid, even though it seems Mesk initiated this dealio herself. As of quote 300 I peg Mesk as null/evil trying to get hybrid lynched, while MM & scvm are deflecting to put blame on Hybrid who is playing in his usual shitposty way, and off of Mesk.

[Otakudweeb69]

what the hell scvm sheep sheep? (302, page 16) lmao what's wrong with defending yourself when you're pegged as scummy? isn't that the POINT?

Note: I am in no way defending Hybrid, please don't get that out of my posts. I am, however, critiquing MM & scvm's deflection from Mesk to Hybrid. I don't see their train of thought. As far as i'm concerned, here's what happened:

Mesk: shitposting/trying for easy lynch(?) on Hybrid by claiming to block with Hybrid!town
Everyone else: starts critiquing her for being lover
Scvm/MM: I think that mesk/hybrid may be a pair triad so lynch one to confirm! Let's go with Hybrid! (page 15/16 stuff) ...?? What?? Why is Hybrid your lynch? As opposed to possibly Mesk? I would like some explanation because I don't understand your thought pricess

if I misunderstood something, plesae do correct me

[Otakudweeb69]

Rather I don't like Hybrid's defense being "nope ur exe" so I can see Hybrid being scum; I just really don't like scvmurderer & MM's plays here, focusing the lynch on Hybrid over Mesk

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Rather I don't like Hybrid's defense being "nope ur exe" so I can see Hybrid being scum; I just really don't like scvmurderer & MM's plays here, focusing the lynch on Hybrid over Mesk

Because I consider Hybrid as more scummy. If Hybrid is a Triad member, Mesk will follow him in death.

[Mesk514]

Because I consider Hybrid as more scummy. If Hybrid is a Triad member, Mesk will follow him in death.

Fuck off with your preflip associations.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Fuck off with your preflip associations.

words can hurt you know

[Mesk514]

words can hurt you know

The only thing that hurts is my tummy from laughing everytime something stupid af comes out of your mouth. I'm town , maybe a follower, but town.... and not as bad as murderer

[Otakudweeb69]

Scratch: It's really just scvm I'm concerned with, MM's logic seems a lot more reasonable. Would continue my townlean on MM; with scvm as a scumlean. I just think MM is tunneling Hybrid a bit; I didn't see any examples of "Hybrid defending hardcore, as opposed to Mesk", especially since that's their meta regardless of their role. Rather, in the last few games I played with Hybrid, it seems like whenever he was accused as a scum he just gave up (which might have cost us the win in S-FM pulp fiction)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

By the way, congrats for your 1000th post, hybrid... xD

[Otakudweeb69]

Great, a read list from me is probably a good idea so I can organize my thoughts.

Town read:
SJ - currently at the top of my town reads list. Very active player that is actively pointing out flaws with other people's reasoning, and taking a very focused attitude on the game. Goes against his scum meta which appears to be comparatively lurkey after establishing some town cred. 80%
TDL - Quote w/ substantiated reads on a single player. Would love thoughts on others besides MM, but for now I really like that TDL is able to tell others what he thinks in a precise manner that can be responded to relatively easily. Agree with the actions of TDL, not the conclusion. 45%
MM - Gives me a vibe of the tunneling townie. I disagree with TDL's conclusion that MM is scum because from meta, MM seems to lurk a lot more as a scum. Can't tell for certain, however; I find his scumhunting to be tunneled, but still towny. 60%

Town lean: (TDL & PIayer can be considered as interchangeable)
PIayer - love the analysis from you! I don't like the vote or lurker hunting, but the scumhunting seems genuine. 45%
xramza - setup spec: NAI. However, I will say that the general participation of this account gives me the feel of perfectly townie. Not too involved, not too lurky. Loses some cred for lurker hunting on RLVG & trophy, I can see reasoning behind lurker hunting me though. 25%

Null:
Sorry everyone is bound to have some null reads, here is mine
Trophy - lack of posts/I really don't know what to say

Scum points of everyone else: (They are null, scum lean, or scum reads)
RLVG - lack of posts. This would go under null, and *will* go under null if RLVG is just a busy boi, and can't help it. However, I feel RLVG has a go-getter personality and usually posts a lot, so this is kind of unsettling. 5%
Hybrid - I don't know what to say about this one. I started off with just a dumb town but he quickly lost credibility because he wouldn't scum hunt himself. I would accept this lynch. 25%
Scvmurderer - my top lynch candidate. Pops in for what seems like just vote count. I honestly don't know what to say; my biggest issue is his sheeping. No explanation for Hybrid lynch. While I would go for a hybrid lynch, nothing from scvm. I also felt like scvm drew attention away from Mesk to get a lynch on Hybrid, not entirely sure what agenda this is but I do feel like it is indicative of one. 30%
Mesk514 - Citizen claims benefit... basically nobody; a lot of attention called to hybrid for what appears like no reason, and a general lack of flame pointed in her direction. 10%
Dr unknown - It seems superjack already addressed this but i'll say it again. COMMENTARY, not CONTENT. Seems to have no thought process of his own; and I really would have liked to see where a vote from this person would land. 20%

[Otakudweeb69]

Things we need to address: stop OMGUSing please. I want to see thoughts on other players, not just the ones grilling you ;-;

would REALLY love more content from TDL because interactions from such a focused player would be helpful in general

[Otakudweeb69]

Gonna step out for a bit, hopefully will be able to come back. Will give a chance for scvm and Hybrid to actively scumhunt before placing a vote on either. Sorry for post spam, i'll compile that stuff into one post next time I just wanted to get thoughts out using emotes like a cool kid

[xramza]

Right. My initial push was going to be on Otaku, but, looking back at it, I guess there's not much substance to counterattack on besides them seeming to mostly just echo others, which I can't really put blame on given the situation, and that "cop cover" strat that seemed fabricated to me. I'll go post my full reads list in just a bit.

[mrtrophywife]

Last to the party sorry friends. Bear with me, as my thoughts are not as in depth and sophisticated as others may be. Considering I am one of the last to give my input mine may look similar.
Town-
Otaku- almost forgot to put you lol you were last not first if that has some merit. Very solid points on not rushing to a Lynch- I agree completely. Although you haven't said much, what you do say is of very high quality- especially your most recent posts.
TDL really like your stuff man in depth and easy to understand. I agree with alot of what you have to say and Im eager to get your input on others.
Xramza- No bullshit. Precise with his points. Gives good information and is confidenti in what they say in between his 17 daily naps. Nothing bad I've seen (yet).
SJ- Very good cross examiner and I feel like a solid town although take my analysis with a grain of salt since ~80% of the discussion is directed towards Hybrid. More on him later.
Player- See "Xramza"
In between town and null-
MM- man I respect you and I don't know if it's just how you play but the aggressiveness is strong on Hybrid and those who claim against you. If your ploy is to confused you win because I am completely scatterbrained after reading 20 pages of you and Hybrid spar. If I cut out the passive aggressiveness against hybrid and your town in my eyes.
Null-
Anyone who hasn't posted much (RLVG, Unknown, kind of mesk?, Myself.) I'll give the benefit of the doubt since it's still day 1 and rushing a Lynch normally isn't a solid strat for town.
I don't have any super strong scum points, so I'll consider this "under null but not scum" -
Hybrid- man calm down lol it's all good think about what you're going to type I don't even know what you're saying half the time and try to shake off the 4v1 (which is how it's been today) with a solid defence and you'll be set. Don't go raging on us and you'll be less scummy. The way you switch votes and sporadically lash out on others makes yourself more of a target which is a downward spiral. Used to think you were just playing bored citizen or something with the way you stirred up the pot but now I'm worried about you..
Scv- sorry you gotta be everyone's target today I just don't appreciate when the majority of the content is lynch suggestions.

Very sorry for appearing like an afk. Is there a place where I can find what the Mafia terms are? Like Triad? Thanks.

[Scvmurderer]

Last to the party sorry friends. Bear with me, as my thoughts are not as in depth and sophisticated as others may be. Considering I am one of the last to give my input mine may look similar.
Town-
Otaku- almost forgot to put you lol you were last not first if that has some merit. Very solid points on not rushing to a Lynch- I agree completely. Although you haven't said much, what you do say is of very high quality- especially your most recent posts.
TDL really like your stuff man in depth and easy to understand. I agree with alot of what you have to say and Im eager to get your input on others.
Xramza- No bullshit. Precise with his points. Gives good information and is confidenti in what they say in between his 17 daily naps. Nothing bad I've seen (yet).
SJ- Very good cross examiner and I feel like a solid town although take my analysis with a grain of salt since ~80% of the discussion is directed towards Hybrid. More on him later.
Player- See "Xramza"
In between town and null-
MM- man I respect you and I don't know if it's just how you play but the aggressiveness is strong on Hybrid and those who claim against you. If your ploy is to confused you win because I am completely scatterbrained after reading 20 pages of you and Hybrid spar. If I cut out the passive aggressiveness against hybrid and your town in my eyes.
Null-
Anyone who hasn't posted much (RLVG, Unknown, kind of mesk?, Myself.) I'll give the benefit of the doubt since it's still day 1 and rushing a Lynch normally isn't a solid strat for town.
I don't have any super strong scum points, so I'll consider this "under null but not scum" -
Hybrid- man calm down lol it's all good think about what you're going to type I don't even know what you're saying half the time and try to shake off the 4v1 (which is how it's been today) with a solid defence and you'll be set. Don't go raging on us and you'll be less scummy. The way you switch votes and sporadically lash out on others makes yourself more of a target which is a downward spiral. Used to think you were just playing bored citizen or something with the way you stirred up the pot but now I'm worried about you..
Scv- sorry you gotta be everyone's target today I just don't appreciate when the majority of the content is lynch suggestions.

Very sorry for appearing like an afk. Is there a place where I can find what the Mafia terms are? Like Triad? Thanks.

ffs @mrtrophywife , posting his thoughts just as i said he has minimum positing!

[mrtrophywife]

ffs @mrtrophywife , posting his thoughts just as i said he has minimum positing!

Yeah, sorry about that. I'll try to improve on my presence in this game. Trying to find a happy medium between lurking and Hybrid ;) just joking.

[Mesk514]

I like how murderer says he supports the hybrid and mesk theory..... when he literally started it.

This dude has to be scum.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I like how murderer says he supports the hybrid and mesk theory..... when he literally started it.

This dude has to be scum.

Lol. I started it, not him not saying he's innocent but you can't use this to make a case against him lol.

[Mesk514]

Lol. I started it, not him not saying he's innocent but you can't use this to make a case against him lol.

It's clearly not a case, it's pointing out the hypocrisy... okay so he didn't start it.... he definitely tried to keep it as a topic of discussion tho

[Scvmurderer]

stop trying to fuel a fire that's non existent, I CREATED THIS CONNECTION! That's how it's obvious! I said hybrid is in my block. Don't act like it's something confirmed , it's literally something I created.

I like how murderer says he supports the hybrid and mesk theory..... when he literally started it.

This dude has to be scum.

Hm...

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Hm...

Lol... I agree xD gj pointing that out lol. Let's lynch Hybrid, and then Mesk. I think we all agree about Hybrid being scum. There are still people thinking Mesk is town lol...

[xramza]

Does posting just not work presently?

[mrtrophywife]

We should all give our hours so we know when to expect people on

[Mesk514]

Errr not hypocrisy... irony... I'm on a plane now
.. in the sky... we speak in 4 hours Okay?

[SuperJack]

-vote RLVG

[Marshmallow Marshall]

-vote RLVG

...? I mean, he's not in my town leans, but you are voting him without explaining...?

[Scvmurderer]

stop trying to fuel a fire that's non existent, I CREATED THIS CONNECTION! That's how it's obvious! I said hybrid is in my block. Don't act like it's something confirmed , it's literally something I created.

I like how murderer says he supports the hybrid and mesk theory..... when he literally started it.

This dude has to be scum.

...? I mean, he's not in my town leans, but you are voting him without explaining...?

Pressure vote. SJ said he'd do it.

[Scvmurderer]

Pressure vote. SJ said he'd do it.

woops forgot to unquote last post

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Pressure vote. SJ said he'd do it.

But @RLVG isn't even here...

[Scvmurderer]

stop trying to fuel a fire that's non existent, I CREATED THIS CONNECTION! That's how it's obvious! I said hybrid is in my block. Don't act like it's something confirmed , it's literally something I created.

I like how murderer says he supports the hybrid and mesk theory..... when he literally started it.

This dude has to be scum.

But @RLVG isn't even here...

Thats the point, SJ said he wanted to try to force him. Im just saying what he said, I didn't say i agree with it lol.

[xramza]

Loading the scum-meter

Yes I'll be using red, not dark blue/purple, bc Triad setups are for scoundrels.

Dr Unknown: God. Call it a hunch, but, being someone entirely new, he seems to genuinely try to be helping. I cannot shake the feeling that this dude is the purest of man.

Waking up to 9pages of text. Phew.
From what I read, hybrid is either troll or scum. We should wait for him to wake up to probe him a bit more
Mesk is acting like a lover but I believe he is anything but that.
Random lynch is bad for our health, 66%chance to kill a townie

D1 lynching isn't bad by itself, it is bad when it is random, without enough evidence.

He's coming into the game and actively talking through his thought process. I can't help but feel that someone with this personality would be much more reserved coming into a scum role. I'm usually infinitely paranoid about this kind of play, but I think by day 2 or the end of today even, he'll have warmed up and become an asset.

Player: #201, 224, 230 were quality posts, and since then he's been providing some quality commentary. Like a 80% for me. #440 I realize now said what I said before I did, #443 shows to me that they seem to have the exact same standpoint as I do on a lot of people Which is of course a town standpoint. The very name of this person makes them a bitch to search for post-wise, but I think my initial impression stands, Player will certainly not be a lynch as it stands.

SuperJack: I appreciate this person's presence. A voice of reason, surely. They actively make callouts and reaction test, and, honestly, everyone seems to be piggybacking. There's still a decent possibility that this could be scum, but I have severe doubt, as it's been shown several times that they pull through in areas that they didn't need to at all. (Even if, in a game with moderate-low skill players, it would be a veritable free highway for scum getting townpoints) Like an 80% again.

TDL | MM: This is one of the most telling exchanges in the game, I think. I was immensely impressed with TDL's rundown, but, shockingly, even more impressed with MM's defense. Hybrid's play seems to be a more extreme version of MM, but MM does -seem- to be putting through the effort even if incredibly defensive. TDL is kind of a 60/40 for me. I don't know how he typically plays, my only experience with him being long ago with him being a hyperractive cit. He's attacking and then retreating, basically. I appreciate the work put into his long post, but a lot of what he calls out seems to be a little forced. Looking to hear his second analysis.

Trophywife: Hard to gather information on. Makes pertinent but incomplete comments much of the time, #544 was helpful, I like the way he presents his reads but, overall, no real new information was brought to light even there. I find it interesting that Otaku is at the top of his list.

Otaku: This guy is going to take me some time to gather a real conclusion on. I think his statements in 526-528 are legitimate, though I obviously think that putting MM a townread and Scv a scumread is a mistake. Also kind of weird that he calls me out for "lurker hunting" and then proceeds to do the same in his very next post, but with only one of the two lurkers he named (TDL and Trophy).

RLVG: Don't know the severity of his problem, forced to give him the benefit of the doubt, really. In the (two?) posts he's made he's said nothing disagreeable but nothing revolutionary. I feel like the guy doesn't play any side of the game being this inactive intentionally.

Mesk: I saved this one for last writing this because I genuinely had no idea what to write. After reading over the entire game a good 4 more times at this point I realize that this (woman? I think) SCREAMS neutral evil to me. The left-of-field statements, the lover tangent, the now submitting to the easy Scv vote... It all seems weird to me.

Hybrid: Honestly, any reads into this guy pretty much become null if you look into his gameplay as a whole. If this guy didn't apparently have a reputation for it, I would wholesale pin this guy as a jester, but, as Otaku stated, scum can easily hide under a benign visage. I want to have some semblance of a belief that this guy is town but... His calmer posts seem to be reactionary, and his chaotic shitposting has done nothing to progress anything as of yet. I am actually getting the impression more and more that he could be an exe trying to capitalize on Scv's experience level. This being said, I still submit to Scv being a decent lynch.

MM: MM is on this list twice, because I now have two conflicting thoughts about him. I had a slight scumread on him in an earlier post, and upon closer examination, there are some weirder things. He seems to very strangely not interact with Scv to any large extent, but makes efforts to try and acknowledge him so it doesn't entirely seem like they're just spawning the same viewpoint. I would not be too surprised if the scum team was MM + Scv, but I hold my belief that the game is regrettably not that simple.

Scv: I wanted to give this guy the Unknown treatment, but I just can't. There's so much going against this man. Very very quick to assault and retaliate, speaks in very short phrases that seem to try and leave no room for anyone to analyse him in return.

(Bonus conspiracy round, AKA, the the left-of-field funhouse. The Triad pair, specifically, could be SJ and Mesk- reading over their posts again has left this as a recurring passing thought to me. Their interactions seem weird, and Mesk never really gets defensive at all against Sj.)

There's all my thoughts, I think. I've done so much viewing of this game while not at home that I haven't actually kept a separate notes document. Rereading over what I've wrote, I still have a lot of improvement to go. Overall, I think my vote's going to land here.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

I think our main focus is misplaced.

[Scvmurderer]

Scv: I wanted to give this guy the Unknown treatment, but I just can't. There's so much going against this man. Very very quick to assault and retaliate, speaks in very short phrases that seem to try and leave no room for anyone to analyse him in return.

Hm, give me a break, I've been posting replies from my phone at work every few hours, hard to write a storied response. I also just posted my opinions and defense of my actions.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Loading the scum-meter

Yes I'll be using red, not dark blue/purple, bc Triad setups are for scoundrels.

Dr Unknown: God. Call it a hunch, but, being someone entirely new, he seems to genuinely try to be helping. I cannot shake the feeling that this dude is the purest of man.





He's coming into the game and actively talking through his thought process. I can't help but feel that someone with this personality would be much more reserved coming into a scum role. I'm usually infinitely paranoid about this kind of play, but I think by day 2 or the end of today even, he'll have warmed up and become an asset.

Player: #201, 224, 230 were quality posts, and since then he's been providing some quality commentary. Like a 80% for me. #440 I realize now said what I said before I did, #443 shows to me that they seem to have the exact same standpoint as I do on a lot of people Which is of course a town standpoint. The very name of this person makes them a bitch to search for post-wise, but I think my initial impression stands, Player will certainly not be a lynch as it stands.

SuperJack: I appreciate this person's presence. A voice of reason, surely. They actively make callouts and reaction test, and, honestly, everyone seems to be piggybacking. There's still a decent possibility that this could be scum, but I have severe doubt, as it's been shown several times that they pull through in areas that they didn't need to at all. (Even if, in a game with moderate-low skill players, it would be a veritable free highway for scum getting townpoints) Like an 80% again.

TDL | MM: This is one of the most telling exchanges in the game, I think. I was immensely impressed with TDL's rundown, but, shockingly, even more impressed with MM's defense. Hybrid's play seems to be a more extreme version of MM, but MM does -seem- to be putting through the effort even if incredibly defensive. TDL is kind of a 60/40 for me. I don't know how he typically plays, my only experience with him being long ago with him being a hyperractive cit. He's attacking and then retreating, basically. I appreciate the work put into his long post, but a lot of what he calls out seems to be a little forced. Looking to hear his second analysis.

Trophywife: Hard to gather information on. Makes pertinent but incomplete comments much of the time, #544 was helpful, I like the way he presents his reads but, overall, no real new information was brought to light even there. I find it interesting that Otaku is at the top of his list.

Otaku: This guy is going to take me some time to gather a real conclusion on. I think his statements in 526-528 are legitimate, though I obviously think that putting MM a townread and Scv a scumread is a mistake. Also kind of weird that he calls me out for "lurker hunting" and then proceeds to do the same in his very next post, but with only one of the two lurkers he named (TDL and Trophy).

RLVG: Don't know the severity of his problem, forced to give him the benefit of the doubt, really. In the (two?) posts he's made he's said nothing disagreeable but nothing revolutionary. I feel like the guy doesn't play any side of the game being this inactive intentionally.

Mesk: I saved this one for last writing this because I genuinely had no idea what to write. After reading over the entire game a good 4 more times at this point I realize that this (woman? I think) SCREAMS neutral evil to me. The left-of-field statements, the lover tangent, the now submitting to the easy Scv vote... It all seems weird to me.

Hybrid: Honestly, any reads into this guy pretty much become null if you look into his gameplay as a whole. If this guy didn't apparently have a reputation for it, I would wholesale pin this guy as a jester, but, as Otaku stated, scum can easily hide under a benign visage. I want to have some semblance of a belief that this guy is town but... His calmer posts seem to be reactionary, and his chaotic shitposting has done nothing to progress anything as of yet. I am actually getting the impression more and more that he could be an exe trying to capitalize on Scv's experience level. This being said, I still submit to Scv being a decent lynch.

MM: MM is on this list twice, because I now have two conflicting thoughts about him. I had a slight scumread on him in an earlier post, and upon closer examination, there are some weirder things. He seems to very strangely not interact with Scv to any large extent, but makes efforts to try and acknowledge him so it doesn't entirely seem like they're just spawning the same viewpoint. I would not be too surprised if the scum team was MM + Scv, but I hold my belief that the game is regrettably not that simple.

Scv: I wanted to give this guy the Unknown treatment, but I just can't. There's so much going against this man. Very very quick to assault and retaliate, speaks in very short phrases that seem to try and leave no room for anyone to analyse him in return.

(Bonus conspiracy round, AKA, the the left-of-field funhouse. The Triad pair, specifically, could be SJ and Mesk- reading over their posts again has left this as a recurring passing thought to me. Their interactions seem weird, and Mesk never really gets defensive at all against Sj.)

There's all my thoughts, I think. I've done so much viewing of this game while not at home that I haven't actually kept a separate notes document. Rereading over what I've wrote, I still have a lot of improvement to go. Overall, I think my vote's going to land here.

-vote Marshmallow Marshall

I think our main focus is misplaced.

I have no time for a big colored reply this time, but I'll tell you this: Scvmurderer is a new guy. And the only thing you say about me is "weirder things". Plus, the lead you give on me is that I could be scum with Scvmurderer. I'd lynch Scv on D2 or D3. If there were any leads or a TG reveal, it'd be D3 lynch or not at all. Else, unless a good defense gets up, he'd die D2. So... I won't defend, since there are no quotes or anything to defend against. I cannot defend "weird things". Please elaborate.

[mrtrophywife]

Trophywife: Hard to gather information on. Makes pertinent but incomplete comments much of the time, #544 was helpful, I like the way he presents his reads but, overall, no real new information was brought to light even there. I find it interesting that Otaku is at the top of his list.

Everyone else's input gets a pass besides mine, I'm crushed. Just joking. Otaku was at the top of my list because I did him last (almost forgot to include him) and I didn't feel like indenting. My list wasn't in any particular order just in different groups.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Wait, incredibly defensive?! How am I INCREDIBLY defensive? How am I defensive at all btw... I've been aggressive all game, trying to make things move up. You are a lurker, and this is your first real big post of leads.

By the way, this is not a defense, but I'm just making you notice that your attack is not really one. Now I'll go off for a while, so I won't instantly reply if you ask for me. Please elaborate your accusations & vote, or simply remove them. No elaboration = +scumpoints.

[SuperJack]

I'm also flying today. Totally unrelated to @Mesk514 I swear to god I'm not following them >->
I then got a fuck ton of shopping to do and a dog to pick up (Definitely not a reference to Mesk)

[Mesk514]

I'm also flying today. Totally unrelated to @Mesk514 I swear to god I'm not following them >->
I then got a fuck ton of shopping to do and a dog to pick up (Definitely not a reference to Mesk)

😂😂😂😂😂😂 I just landed.... and I'm fucking howling!!! 10/10 this post made my day.

I will be back when I get home

[xramza]

Welp, looks like it does. Let me try again.

[xramza]

I have no time for a big colored reply this time, but I'll tell you this: Scvmurderer is a new guy. And the only thing you say about me is "weirder things". Plus, the lead you give on me is that I could be scum with Scvmurderer. I'd lynch Scv on D2 or D3. If there were any leads or a TG reveal, it'd be D3 lynch or not at all. Else, unless a good defense gets up, he'd die D2. So... I won't defend, since there are no quotes or anything to defend against. I cannot defend "weird things". Please elaborate.

Aye aye captain. Had to recopy + paste this, so hopefully that doesn't screw anything up.

I'll say the incantation:

I
AM
TOWN

I'll echo TDL here. This is silly. Again not a big deal, however.

Well... I'll claim too: I'm citizen. TPR should not claim their true role, so please claim citizen or shut up.

This is a non-contribution, if TPR didn't have a reason to claim their role they wouldn't, and you're basically encouraging a wave of Cit claims which does nothing but group everyone, including the scum, into one spot.

He said your words had more weight. Maybe he was wrong... xD this is an idiot reason to vote someone. I'm near of giving you +scumpoints, SJ.

I don't agree that it's a bad idea to vote someone very early on that premise, and I think you're just looking to award scumpoints to anything you find different.

Did I say +scumpoints for you? NO. So I'd kindly ask you to shut up lol. I wanted you to explain yourself. You did it. Thank you =)

You're casting away his statements based on a scale you made yourself. I don't know what would necessitate you telling someone trying to contribute to flat out be quiet.

I am not convinced. Now I'm thinking about where will my vote go. Since the turkey is sleeping, @Mesk514 will have to tell me who is lover and who is connection. By the way, I still do not exclude the possibility of both being Triad.

Please share your thoughts. For now, only SJ has talked about this.

And now you're instantly putting the focus of the game into a certainty, which isn't a certainty at all, between these two. There's no reason, especially at this early point, to speak in these certain terms unless you're trying to mislead people.

Plus, it's the almighty mesk always town, it's known...

????????????????? Aight

Ok. First of all, I tried to make people get active. Not actively shitpost, because it was ALREADY happening. And yes, by doing so, I may get town points. It's good to have town points when you're town :P

Now, for the Hybrid situation.

1) Am I exe? I know Hybrid since several months now, maybe a year. We played a lot together. He is very obvious when he's scum, but I'm always the only one to find it out and then he wins that makes me rage a bit when it happens. He usually takes a "am I jester? am I some town invest wanting to be known?" to finally just be a Mafia member. Right now, his play is very similar to his scum pattern in the mod. Plus his posts were scummy af lol...

2) Is Hybrid jester? As jester, Hybrid doesn't use spam like that. He will just "slip" enough for someone to notice, then get lynched. He didn't do that here, he literally acted in a way to confuse the Town. Any townie that wants to confuse the Town is terrible. Hybrid is not terrible but tries to confuse the Town. So, Hybrid is not a towny (and not a jester, because the Jester will try to make a clear case against himself.)

3) RLVG/TDL These guys are indeed scummy. I'd like to hear them a bit more.

I just looked at your post again, and you say you gave me +scumpoints for defending you?! Okay... In the beggining, you tried to make town less confused, while saying nothing scummy. I had a town lean on you, because a new player who gets a scum role will very probably be more obvious than that. So basically, if I vote you, I'll get town points? ;) I'm kidding here, but your reasoning was weird.

You play the meta card on someone you know. I guess that's legitimate, but it's not substantiated with any evidence regarding this game. You say that Hybrid isn't a townie when you had just stated "any townie that wants to confuse the Town is terrible," which is admittedly a little nitpicky, but it's weird to me that you immediately dismiss he's town and then look at his play like he is town. The RLVG/TDL statement is pretty uncalled for, dunno why you jump to scumminess so quickly yet again.

Wait a sec lol. If you say that I am exe, it means you cannot be Jester. And by saying that, you are trying to exclude the fact that you're Jester. So... Eat shit lol. Town Killing will have fun with you you little jester.

Entirely dismissing someone like this is not helpful to the town. It's just silly.

Lol this is a Town Killing softclaim.

And you'd call that out why exactly? I get instinctively picking up on some things but why would you be searching to the point of calling it out?

So now, why did I want her to talk? I know she has the Invisible mode on. Someone with Invis mode is browsing this thread. If it is not Mesk, it may be one of the AFKs not really AFK...

Again it seems you try to create substance when there isn't any. I found this really weird even if I did muster a polite reply to it.

I'm going to do a timeskip to post-TDL analysis since I'm a little short on time.

Hybrid changed his vote three times. The vote on SJ was purely reactionary and anti-town. The vote on Scvmurderer was understandable, but he gave no grounds to his argument. Then he votes me. I admit I'm not very surprised lol. If I was a triad out of myself, I would try to get either SJ or Marshmallow Marshall lynched. We are the two biggest threats to the scums.

You say a lot of things "from a Triad perspective." And you call yourself one of the "biggest threats' to the scums entirely senselessly in a futile attempt to gain town points when you're a) tunneling and b) substantiating and un-substantiating everyone's claims based on your "scale" fabricated to make yourself look on top of things & important. You're going into the game like you know everything, which is not something a townie does.

Hybrid's guide to scum FM:
1: Discredit all your voters
2: Shitpost a lot to seem contributive
3: Threaten people that see that you are scum
4: Insult everyone

That's it. Stop threatening people. Seriously.

Don't you try to do most of this?

Lol... I agree xD gj pointing that out lol. Let's lynch Hybrid, and then Mesk. I think we all agree about Hybrid being scum. There are still people thinking Mesk is town lol...

You're speaking in terms that demand action. I can understand being an aggro townie but this really hits my gut sounding like a scum trying to capitalize on the fact that several agreed on a lynch today.

Wait, incredibly defensive?! How am I INCREDIBLY defensive? How am I defensive at all btw... I've been aggressive all game, trying to make things move up. You are a lurker, and this is your first real big post of leads.

By the way, this is not a defense, but I'm just making you notice that your attack is not really one. Now I'll go off for a while, so I won't instantly reply if you ask for me. Please elaborate your accusations & vote, or simply remove them. No elaboration = +scumpoints.

The question "How am I incredibly defensive?" is one you answered in your own post.

I feel like I have to add a disclaimer at the end of this kind of thing because I don't wish to be cold. I don't dislike you, you're just screaming the bad boy life to me this time around, ponyboy.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Aye aye captain. Had to recopy + paste this, so hopefully that doesn't screw anything up.



I'll echo TDL here. This is silly. Again not a big deal, however.



This is a non-contribution, if TPR didn't have a reason to claim their role they wouldn't, and you're basically encouraging a wave of Cit claims which does nothing but group everyone, including the scum, into one spot.



I don't agree that it's a bad idea to vote someone very early on that premise, and I think you're just looking to award scumpoints to anything you find different.



You're casting away his statements based on a scale you made yourself. I don't know what would necessitate you telling someone trying to contribute to flat out be quiet.



And now you're instantly putting the focus of the game into a certainty, which isn't a certainty at all, between these two. There's no reason, especially at this early point, to speak in these certain terms unless you're trying to mislead people.


????????????????? Aight



You play the meta card on someone you know. I guess that's legitimate, but it's not substantiated with any evidence regarding this game. You say that Hybrid isn't a townie when you had just stated "any townie that wants to confuse the Town is terrible," which is admittedly a little nitpicky, but it's weird to me that you immediately dismiss he's town and then look at his play like he is town. The RLVG/TDL statement is pretty uncalled for, dunno why you jump to scumminess so quickly yet again.


Entirely dismissing someone like this is not helpful to the town. It's just silly.



And you'd call that out why exactly? I get instinctively picking up on some things but why would you be searching to the point of calling it out?



Again it seems you try to create substance when there isn't any. I found this really weird even if I did muster a polite reply to it.

I'm going to do a timeskip to post-TDL analysis since I'm a little short on time.


You say a lot of things "from a Triad perspective." And you call yourself one of the "biggest threats' to the scums entirely senselessly in a futile attempt to gain town points when you're a) tunneling and b) substantiating and un-substantiating everyone's claims based on your "scale" fabricated to make yourself look on top of things & important. You're going into the game like you know everything, which is not something a townie does.


Don't you try to do most of this?



You're speaking in terms that demand action. I can understand being an aggro townie but this really hits my gut sounding like a scum trying to capitalize on the fact that several agreed on a lynch today.



The question "How am I incredibly defensive?" is one you answered in your own post.

I feel like I have to add a disclaimer at the end of this kind of thing because I don't wish to be cold. I don't dislike you, you're just screaming the bad boy life to me this time around, ponyboy.

No more fancy colors. So there we go:

Hybrid is not the only one allowd to shitpost I copied Mesk there. It was indeed silly. Silly doesn't make scummy.

If we had got more than 4 cit claims, we would've known that someone was lying. But I admit it was a bad idea. (are there 3, 4 or 5 cits on the setup? I don't remember xD)

SJ and me don't have the same playstyle. He will usually be the first to random vote to pressure someone. I'm still used too much to the mod, so I'm not always very... open to random voting. In this, random voting at D1 seems ok, so I'll try to keep it in mind in my next FM games.

Could you please quote the message before the one I did? I'm typing and I don't want to lose everything xD I'll answer this question when I'll see the original post. If I have time to, I'll go check it myself.

They both got into a Lover pattern. And I thought at that point that the connection knew who was his lover at D1. I still think that Hybrid is scummy, and that if he flips scum whenever he dies, Mesk is scum too and should follow him (unless he provides a good defense, of course.)

Lol, once again, I like to mess up with Mesk she always says that.

Ok, I agree that's not an evidence for anyone but me. However, some other people might know him too and agree with me. Also, I always play like this when I want to find scums. I wonder what would be the benefit of it if you were this or this other Town role. If the answer is always or nearly always "useless" or "anti-town", the player is guilty. That's my playstyle. You can say it's weird if you want, but I'm usually good at finding scums
TDL looked like a talkative guy in his first post. I don't know why I got that vibe from him, but I got it. I was surprised with his silence. For RLVG, it's simply because he is usually useful and contributive, and that this game, he's not contributive at all. I have a town lean on TDL, and I don't know about RLVG.

It was a test to see if he was going to say "hum ok I'm jester, so don't lynch me" (that wouldve been scummy) or if he was going to keep his you're exe defense.

He soft claimed so many things (and admitted doing it) that I wanted to show the incoherence.

I was searching for clues on the AFKs. Dr Unknown had few posts when I posted this. So had mrtrophywife and RLVG (who still has a very low post count).

SJ and I were the most talkative and critic people. We were poking players to get informations. Triad probably didn't like that. And I'm just sharing my thoughts. I don't think a townie should keep his thoughts secret (unless it reveals role, of course) since it doesn't help the town in any way. It only benefits the scum.

I don't say "You're exe" when someone attacks me. That's what I meant by "discredit voters".
Out of the jokes about Mesk, where is my shitposting?
By threatening, I meant that he said "youll pay this back if you lynch me. Youll pay it back in the next games." That's a threat of holding grudge. I think he has done a similar thing to another player, I don't remeber what it was and to who it was addressed.
I don't massively insult and say that someone is so dumb that he should just... sheep. Hybrid did that.

Are you defending Mesk here? This was a big contradiction. So yes, it demands action because the two posts are incompatible.

I was asking you why you were thinking that. Your answer is evasive. I'd like to see quotes of that "increbily defensive" MM.

You were not cold. You are a nice guy, you just suspected me, that's the game... Suspicion doesn't mean hate in Mafia


I hope I answered your questions.

All the best,
MarshMarsh

[Dr Unknown]

No more fancy colors. So there we go:

Hybrid is not the only one allowd to shitpost I copied Mesk there. It was indeed silly. Silly doesn't make scummy.

If we had got more than 4 cit claims, we would've known that someone was lying. But I admit it was a bad idea. (are there 3, 4 or 5 cits on the setup? I don't remember xD)

SJ and me don't have the same playstyle. He will usually be the first to random vote to pressure someone. I'm still used too much to the mod, so I'm not always very... open to random voting. In this, random voting at D1 seems ok, so I'll try to keep it in mind in my next FM games.

Could you please quote the message before the one I did? I'm typing and I don't want to lose everything xD I'll answer this question when I'll see the original post. If I have time to, I'll go check it myself.

They both got into a Lover pattern. And I thought at that point that the connection knew who was his lover at D1. I still think that Hybrid is scummy, and that if he flips scum whenever he dies, Mesk is scum too and should follow him (unless he provides a good defense, of course.)

Lol, once again, I like to mess up with Mesk she always says that.

Ok, I agree that's not an evidence for anyone but me. However, some other people might know him too and agree with me. Also, I always play like this when I want to find scums. I wonder what would be the benefit of it if you were this or this other Town role. If the answer is always or nearly always "useless" or "anti-town", the player is guilty. That's my playstyle. You can say it's weird if you want, but I'm usually good at finding scums
TDL looked like a talkative guy in his first post. I don't know why I got that vibe from him, but I got it. I was surprised with his silence. For RLVG, it's simply because he is usually useful and contributive, and that this game, he's not contributive at all. I have a town lean on TDL, and I don't know about RLVG.

It was a test to see if he was going to say "hum ok I'm jester, so don't lynch me" (that wouldve been scummy) or if he was going to keep his you're exe defense.

He soft claimed so many things (and admitted doing it) that I wanted to show the incoherence.

I was searching for clues on the AFKs. Dr Unknown had few posts when I posted this. So had mrtrophywife and RLVG (who still has a very low post count).

SJ and I were the most talkative and critic people. We were poking players to get informations. Triad probably didn't like that. And I'm just sharing my thoughts. I don't think a townie should keep his thoughts secret (unless it reveals role, of course) since it doesn't help the town in any way. It only benefits the scum.

I don't say "You're exe" when someone attacks me. That's what I meant by "discredit voters".
Out of the jokes about Mesk, where is my shitposting?
By threatening, I meant that he said "youll pay this back if you lynch me. Youll pay it back in the next games." That's a threat of holding grudge. I think he has done a similar thing to another player, I don't remeber what it was and to who it was addressed.
I don't massively insult and say that someone is so dumb that he should just... sheep. Hybrid did that.

Are you defending Mesk here? This was a big contradiction. So yes, it demands action because the two posts are incompatible.

I was asking you why you were thinking that. Your answer is evasive. I'd like to see quotes of that "increbily defensive" MM.

You were not cold. You are a nice guy, you just suspected me, that's the game... Suspicion doesn't mean hate in Mafia


I hope I answered your questions.

All the best,
MarshMarsh

Please don't do this again, colour is very difficult to read

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Please don't do this again, colour is very difficult to read

Grey text on black font is worse.

[xramza]

I may fall asleep soon. And there is a possibility, though remote, that I won't be here between my sleep and the end of the day. I don't plan on moving my vote unless something major happens very suddenly.

[Scvmurderer]

I may fall asleep soon. And there is a possibility, though remote, that I won't be here between my sleep and the end of the day. I don't plan on moving my vote unless something major happens very suddenly.

Hm, is there a tool for displaying current votes or do I have to go count em one by one?

[xramza]

Hm, is there a tool for displaying current votes or do I have to go count em one by one?

Top of the page. Says "Vote Count." In the black bar under that big red reply button.

[Scvmurderer]

Top of the page. Says "Vote Count." In the black bar under that big red reply button.

Thanks.