Plans for Day 1

[Timmy]

In this thread, I'd like to discuss the possibility of trying to get one of our own elected to mayor or pardoner tomorrow. Both could be extremely advantageous in the long run, though obviously it would be an incredibly risky game to play.

One possibility is to use our disguiser to get the role. Once the disguiser is elected mayor, he can disguise as somebody random, retaining the extra votes/pardoning power, but no one will know where that power has gone to. (If he does this, then he has to be really careful, because he'll still have the extra votes and if that becomes apparent, he'll die for sure.)

Another option is to make good use of our busdriver: elect one of us as mayor, then drive him every night. In the future, our kidnapper can legitimately say that he was trying to protect the mayor. This way, the town would have a hell of a time trying to investigate the mayor to make sure he's a good guy, which is what I assume will happen for whoever gets elected.

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Of course, the danger is that once the mafia-mayor gets exposed, everything could come crumbling down around us. It's pretty risky to put ourselves in the spotlight from the get-go. So the question is:

Is it worth it?

[Victoria]

I think that something we should definitely consider is what the town will look for when electing a mayor. I'm running through many potential strategies to get myself elected, but I always have to ask myself what I should be doing to get elected. In my opinion, the risk is far too high and the outcome has too much potential to be far less than favorable. However, I'm still open to the idea if we can flesh out a plan in the next few hours...

I do, however, like the kidnapper idea with the mayor. However, I think we could put it to even more use if the mayor wasn't one of us. I was thinking that we could switch our consig with the mayor every day so that the mayor always shows up as mafia, but the consig always shows up as whatever the mayor is (which still may be scum, but at least isn't one of us).

[Garrison]

I don't think we should really try hard to become mayor, I will try it anyways

[Victoria]

I have one question of the utmost importance to the survival of the Sharks..... what should I make my avatar? <3

[Mr. Hat]

I have one question of the utmost importance to the survival of the Sharks..... what should I make my avatar? <3

choose one yourself. Just don't choose an avatar that looks like Garrison's, Timmy's, or my avatars. There's a whole lot of possibilities for you to choose from.

[Timmy]

You probably ought to chose an avatar for yourself. It's hard to imagine how, but if we have any input it might link us somehow.

For mayor, mostly I think the town will be looking for someone who seems really pro-town. What I'd do, if I were trying to get elected, would be one of the two following strategies: "I'm vornskr and a cit, so I'm the ideal situation for mayor: I'll be able to use it well, but if it gets me too much attention and I die, at least we won't be losing a power role." or "I'm an investigator. Now that I'm out, I'll need doc heals anyway, so it makes sense to give me mayor too in case there aren't many healing roles out there."


If the mayor isn't one of us, busdriving him won't be as useful, because he'll tell the town that he was driven. So if someone checks him and finds mafia, they'll want the busdriver to come forward with their targets.

[Mr. Hat]

If one of us isn't the Mayor then I won't bus drive him. But I do have an idea to use the kidnapper to make us able to bypass heals: We aim to kill one of the lurkers or people who aren't likely to be targeted and I switch that person with our real target. That way, any player who is healing our target actually heals the lurker/non-target.

The only problem I see with this is that a lookout might watch our target and see me visit the lurker/non-target, but I can hopefully lie and say that I am a bus driver and I did switch the dead player with someone else (probably a lurker or someone who I can say I think is scum)

[Mr. Hat]

Another reason to use my idea is that on the Kidnapper role card it says "the mayor is immune to bus drives" So our plan about the mayor won't work

[Timmy]

Awesome. XD


Then again, if you're ever pressured to claim, your driving decisions might need to make sense from the perspective of the town. We should probably keep your strategy in mind for when we're targeting someone high profile, or who we need to be absolutely sure will die.

[Timmy]

Ah, and good catch.

[Jason]

Wow I missed out a lot when I was sleeping. Ok Victoria I will try to change my writing style completely. Is that alright people?

[Victoria]

You mean Timmy... As far as posting habits go, just pretend that you're typing a college essay (no grammar errors, spellcheck used, etc.). Try to identify the quirks of your posts and remove them (ex: I use many ellipses in my posts). As a new player, you're hard to recognize, but you can still be identified and exploited.

[Timmy]

So I suppose the consensus is that we will not attempt to get one of us elected mayor?

In that case, I think it's best not to discuss what our voting plans are; we should try to make decisions as independently as possible.

[Timmy]

So I suppose the consensus is that we will not attempt to get one of us elected mayor?

In that case, I think it's best not to discuss what our voting plans are; we should try to make decisions as independently as possible.

[Mr. Hat]

FYI this isn't day 1 specific but it fits in this thread. I was thinking as I was walking the dog earlier. I had an idea that would give the most chance for the mafia to finally win a FM.

The idea involves us asking the Jets to coordinate actions through our death note because dealing with 26 town plus the backstabbing lover would be hard for either team to win. The thing is, is that we can ensure the lover's obedience if we would take advantage of the "mafia" event. Here's how my idea goes into practice:

We kill someone with the death note (we actually don't need to use the death note if the lover speaks up) asking the Jets if they would like to coordinate actions for a joint win. If they accept then the lover would let us know. The lovers coordinate actions across both factions until both teams decide it would be advantageous to merge (this would be when we don't need 2 KPN each night). Each team would sacrifice two members (GF and another, we can decide later) so that we can merge through the event and really have a joint win.

After that, the clean up should be easy. And because the Factions would become one, the dead mafia could win with the living mafia as well.

What do you say to this?

[Timmy]

It sounds potentially like a good idea, but

1) It requires a lot of trust on the lovers' part, since for now they aren't aligned with us. They'd have to stay alive until we were able to trigger the mafia event, which is something we don't want to do until a few days into the game, at least.

2) Is FalseTruth ok with it? Planning to work together with the Jets is, for now, basically opposite of our stated win conditions, so I'd understand if False considered it equivalent to gamethrowing.

[Forum Mafia GM]

It sounds potentially like a good idea, but

1) It requires a lot of trust on the lovers' part, since for now they aren't aligned with us. They'd have to stay alive until we were able to trigger the mafia event, which is something we don't want to do until a few days into the game, at least.

2) Is FalseTruth ok with it? Planning to work together with the Jets is, for now, basically opposite of our stated win conditions, so I'd understand if False considered it equivalent to gamethrowing.

I am okay with it. If you play against your win conditions now, that's your problem. Take all the risks you want.

[Victoria]

It sounds like a good idea, but I think there are two problems to consider...
1) This event allows all 10 mafia to win. Though the Lover event only allows 8 mafia to win, it means that there will be 8 mafia instead of 6 AND it only requires 1 kill action to trigger (while the mafia event takes 4 kill actions to trigger). The point is that, though it may be more idealistic, it isn't as practical as triggering the Lover event. As a result, there may be others who are more inclined to support the Lover event...
2) It requires trust and communication with the Jets. Unless the Lovers reveal (see reason 1), communication will be difficult and anything we do will surely be watched and obstructed with by lookouts, detectives, doctors, bus drivers, etc.

My conclusion: let's wait and see how Day 1 goes before making a REAL conclusion.

PS: I might be tempted to log onto Ganondorf when Day 1 starts so that any observant people can catch me looking with my real account (as if I logged off of Victoria until Day 1 started).

[Victoria]

Gerald sees me as scummy (twitch twitch).... hmm, I guess I should look to find where the tell was?

[Timmy]

I wouldn't worry about it too much. Lots of random accusations are getting tossed around, and you have less to worry about than most of the rest of us. Gerald isn't a particularly credible accuser.

[Victoria]

For the future, here are some strong role claims if you don't want to claim your investigation pair:

-Sheriff (sheriff investigation pair involves 2 benign neutrals, sheriff results easy to make up)
-Doctor (doctor has no sure way to prove role, investigation pair involves 2 evil neutrals, GREAT IF EVIL NEUTRAL IS ARSONIST)
-Armorsmith/Gunsmith (investigation pair is arsonist, can easily fake giving items to dead people)

I, for one, plan on claiming Gunsmith or Sheriff if I need to claim.

[Victoria]

Oh, and FalseTruth pretty much shot down your idea with the new rule (about the Mafia Event) Mr. Hat.

[Victoria]

I have to say, things seem to be going well... I am contemplating running for Mayor tomorrow. I feel like I have earned the trust of many today, and I think I could potentially win pardoner if nothing else. A disguiser in a power role accomplishes 3 things. 1) As Timmy mentioned, I have the power to completely remove a role from the game. 2) I have the power to, if I can find the right role, frame someone with my death. 3) I have the power to, for 1 day, make completely anti-town decisions with the intent of disguising that night. I have many possible role claims that would allow me to survive until the night, and I believe that I have even set myself up to claim citizen if the need arises (reducing the odds of me getting roleblocked at an 'unfortunate moment). Of course, one must always consider the risk of being investigated, but I could still disguise on N2 if I felt unsafe, as Timmy suggested... Decisions, decisions, decisions...

[Victoria]

Hey Jason, are you really leaving for a few days or are you just going into lurk mode? What do you think of everything?

[Mr. Hat]

Oh, and FalseTruth pretty much shot down your idea with the new rule (about the Mafia Event) Mr. Hat.

I see that. There was so much going for that idea, too.

Do you think I should post some more? Or just stay waaaaaay in the shadows with my small post count?

I'm straying towards lurking for the time being.

[Timmy]

Lurking seems fine to me; it'd also be more or less consistent with a bus driver role claim, later on, I'd think.

[Victoria]

I see that. There was so much going for that idea, too.

Do you think I should post some more? Or just stay waaaaaay in the shadows with my small post count?

I'm straying towards lurking for the time being.

Looking back at past forum mafias, we can determine 2 things:
1) The town has a great hatred for lurkers, and....
2) The town will do nothing about it

In other words, I'm sure they won't do crap, have a ball.

[Timmy]

Well, now it appears that we can use the rep system to send notes anonymously.

I have a very, very strong inkling of who someone is on the other mafia team. Should I drop him a line that Cartman isn't our lover, so they don't waste an attack on him?

(Also, btw, his supposed role list is too similar to ours... I think there's basically no way that False gave the same roles to both teams.)

[Victoria]

I don't think we should risk it. If need be, we can just leave a deathnote disowning Cartman. I think he's made it clear enough that he's lying, and the ruse is up.

Timmy, can you find me an investigator ASAP? I'd like to make up a few phony investigation results when I disguise (for instance, we could say that Mr. Hat came up as a sheriff/executioner/jester to clear him).

[Timmy]

Working on it. You've got to be careful with what you say, though, in case it incriminates us instead...

[Mr. Hat]

Who should I vote for? I'm leaning towards Tweek Tweak if he's a candidate.

[Timmy]

Of all the candidates, I think that Tweek and McDaniels are most likely to be town, and Butters is the least.

[Mr. Hat]

Plus it would be good for me to be consistent. I put my nomination on him and I will vote for him. It would make more sense than voting any of the other candidates

[Mr. Hat]

Do we need to PM you our votes even though we can just post them here?

[Timmy]

The votes aren't going to be public, are they?

We should start planning for our night actions. I'm in favor of Victoria's plan to take out an investigator right away. Who should I check tonight? Who do we think is likely to be a town investigative role, or who can we not read very well yet?

I'd like to know what Cartman actually is. He's probably masochist or ghost, but what if he's a town PR trying to hide behind a veil of scumminess?

Lastly, I still don't know what I think about who our targets should be. Our win condition right now is to take out the Jets... maybe we should be trying to do that.

If we kill all the Jets, and take out their lover last, does the game end right then with a victory for us?

[Victoria]

If the votes are public, I intend to vote for Big Gay Al (he is the popular choice). If the votes AREN'T public, I intend to vote for McDaniels (I think that there's a good chance that she isn't town).

As far as tonight goes, I think that:
A) I shall kill for us (probably someone like Jimbo)
B) Timmy should investigate someone who has a high chance of being an investigative role (look for the people that posted alot yet never hinted at their role, ran for mayor, or accused many people).
C) Mr. Hat should either refrain from using his ability or he should switch Timmy or myself with someone with a low post count (someone who might not talk or who gets ignored).
D) Garrison should roleblock Big Gay Al (with our 2 consorts, I highly doubt that the Jets will have a 3rd consort to do it for us).
E) Jason should roleblock.... Jimmy maybe? Frankly, I'm still pissed that FalseTruth reused the name Jimmy (I died on night 2 as Jimmy in FM V because I was foolish enough not to use a vest I got on night 1) .

[Timmy]

Why do you want to block Al? Did he claim something that I've missed?

One of our consorts ought to block someone who seems rather scummy, so that if they have to claim escort later on their actions will seem justified.

As for what to do with our kidnapper, I like the idea of proctecting one of us from invests. It's probably just my normal paranoia, but I feel like I've made myself look a lot more scummy than any of the rest of you. So it'd be nice if I could be swapped with Stephen (or someone else who seems fairly likely to be town). Then if the BD ever has to roleclaim, he should say he swapped himself with Stephen on N2. (That way, no counterclaims will make him look scummy, and on the off chance that I got checked, the sheriff/inves will believe the read he got.) Or the same plan if we want to protect anyone else.

As for the election, I plan to vote for Clyde. Of all the frontrunners in the nomination, he's the one I'd most like to see getting mayor or pardoner.

[Victoria]

I want to block Al because I suspect that he is a PR. I can't remember if he ever specifically claimed PR (it is difficult, not being able to search the posts of individual people with the restrictions on accounts), but I certainly don't think he's a citizen. Then again, this is just another hunch, so I'm certainly open to other suggestions.

I pretty much agree with you on everything you said, and I will reconsider my voting (I think that, in the event that the votes AREN'T made public, we should all vote together to maximize the chance of our candidate being elected). Jason and Garrison seemed to have avoided attention, and I have an easy way to escape, so swapping you is a good idea. I do worry about Jason though: if what he said was true, then he won't be back on for another day or two and he may miss elections..... T.T

[Forum Mafia GM]

Do we need to PM you our votes even though we can just post them here?

I answered that with the election. Sorry if I confused anyone with the change.

[Forum Mafia GM]

The votes aren't going to be public, are they?

If we kill all the Jets, and take out their lover last, does the game end right then with a victory for us?

Yep.