@PowersThatBe
Very interesting. Do you think Sinon against 22 lynch and then being for it the next morning was opportunistic scum or reevaluating town?
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Potential town:
1. Ccantman: tried to pull everyone off the 22 train. Wants to prevent scum max killing power by stalling votes even though it won't work. However, I find these actions to be pro town.
2. Mesk: Another person not on the train. Typical mesk shit posting and bullshit. I hope she engages with game some more soon!
3. Sinon: was critical of whad yesterday for his flip floppery. However he did join the train hours later with little fan fare or explanation. I still town read him for this.
4. Me for obvious reasons and I like accounting for all players when I make my lists I'm ocd like that.
5. Fury: trolling and is refusing to "read posts" but I think he's just fucking with everyone. He's my weakest town slot atm so idk.
Neutral:
1. Suntax is neutral to me because I scum read him yesterday but since we have no info to go on I kinda have to move him to an nai slot bc his posts really have no tells on either side. He was most similar to 22 and 22 turned out to be town so idk how to read him. His early posts to day give me home that he will be more focused today.
Potential scum:
1. Whad: has to be Gaga imo. There's no way he would be fan unless the Gaga plan was to use someone that was going to have no interaction with the game and hopefully get policy lynched. Since they chose to no convert. This is unlikely but possible since how whad switched so many targets eod. He also came up with this whole theory about 22 and the lawyer and a bussing situation. He could have actually been covering for the lawyer and since 22 was a safe lynch in terms of not giving too much infor away...since a number of use independently didn't like his posts. I believe that it is possible that whad is Gaga more than the fan and they're trying to mind fuck us.
2. The lawyer: marked 22 as scum since day 1 then painted fury as the scum while still saying 22 was scum. Whad then pushes the fury train and I derail it and then he finds the same target as the lawyer but claims that the lawyer and 22 HAD to be teammates. The lawyer then unvotes and tries to push the derailed fury train. I think she jumped off the train to make her connection to 22 seem so much stronger so she could get the ml.. it worked on I think three of us (I'm assuming suntax and sinon voted for that reason). She then comes back and hammers and today she claims that it was so unfair to 22 and how guilty she feels and all this stuff. It just doesn't seem genuine.
Imo whad and the lawyer led the train on fury and 22 while making it look like they were at odds. Had the fan converted last night then we would have info on their interaction. I think that's why they both tried bread crumbling this narrative that I could be a possible fan. Especially when they have both said before that that they thought I was the most shining town. I'm also the one whose been most critical of the lawyer and growing increasingly critical of whad.
I'd like to hear from everyone but I think voting should happen. And I'm gonna place a pressure vote on my Gaga suspect.
-vote whad
Passing today is bad. Passing tomorrow is better because we are not forcing fan to use a convert if we pass today. It is impossible for town to win without lynching. If we pass today the fan has no incentive because we still have higher numbers. We should strive to get Gaga and we should pass tomorrow because it gives the fan an opportunity they can't pass up. Opportunity always leads to mistakes especially when they have a chance to be greedy.
Am I not making sense that they basically gave us a free lynch today? Regardless we got an extra day/person so not taking the opportunity to lynch plays into their hand and not ours. They have a day chat and strategize in private.
I'm against skipping today.
Mind if I take this one? When was a against TwentyTwo? Sources plz 'cause I was somewhat scum reading him earlier than you:
In fact I even tagged you in the post I did it in. After that, admittedly I started to focus on fury, but that certainly doesn't mean I was 'against' a 22 lynch. Glad to see you're assuming power again, demanding more information before putting up any insight yourself; you only lazily agreed to ccantman's analysis and quickly changed the topic of convo immediately thereafter, throwing sidelong shade on me. Whad I ever do to you anyway?
Why don't you explain why you flip flopped all over the place about you we should lynch earlier? Or updated reads?
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@Sinon what do you think of my updated read list
I changed my mind as I was reevaluating the game. Fury was posting things that made me start to townread him so I decided to stop voting him. Then, I tried to see who else being scum made any sense. The 22/The Lawyer theory ended up being wrong, but literally nobody else is doing anything or pushing major trains. I think 22 needed to be lynched. If you want my head for it then so be it.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
We always had a pass day. Today is not the day to use it. The scum are just going to continue to stall until we lynch. If he try to lynch the right person now while we still have the most people we will have we can force them to give us information bc they will have to make a move to put us into check. Does that make sense? We should save skip days for when we need them or else we're going to repeat day one forever lol.
I was just responding to PTB's post where he summarized 22's lynch train. It's interesting that you attack me for asking followup questions based on PTB's analysis of the lynch train instead of correcting PTB directly. So ask PTB for the source, please.
I dislike how you are so focused on me. Always throwing shade at me and being super aggressive. Kind of feels like PTB/Sinon is the scum team trying to mislynch me.
I "flip flopped" about who I thought we should lynch because we are literally going off of interactions and posts. When people get pressured, you get more information about interactions and posts which then informs reads. It's a very dynamic thing so in fact it seems ODD if people aren't flip flopping on reads. Tunneling someone makes it seem like you have an agenda that isn't the town-lynch-gaga agenda.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Lol here we go again. Am I with Sinon or fury? Maybe I'm with syntax or mesk or the lawyer? Maybe I'm fucking Gaga. What you gonna push my lynch next?
I don't understand this. I point out some bullshit you and the lawyer pulled yesterday and now you're pushing me as scum. Nice scum slip there buddy. Lol
It's been cute how you and the lawyer both independently came to the conclusion that I was the fan and fury was the Gaga but you both pushed and voted for 22 ultimately and after the flip the lawyer said I had to be the fan with no explanation.
You two just parrot each other
Hypothetical in which fan converts every night:
Start: 9 v 1
D1 Mislynch -> 8 v 1
Fan convert -> 7 v 2
D2 Mislynch -> 6 v 2
Fan Convert -> 5 v 2
D3 Mislynch -> 4 v 2
FanConvert -> 3 v 2
D4 LYLO
No Skips present.
Since fan skipped killing last night, we have 1 skip now:
Start: 9 v 1
D1 mislynch -> 8 v 1
Fan Convert? -> 7 v 2
D2 mislynch -> 6 v 2
No convert -> 6 v 2
D3 mislynch -> 5 v 2
Fan convert -> 4 v 2
D4 skip -> 4 v 2
Fan Convert -> 3 v 2
D5 LYLO
Does this make sense how now we have a skip when previously we didn't?
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legit drunk atm so can't read sorry
@Whad I didn't put spin on my sin on point. I simply said what happened. He was against ,e joint the vote on 22 bc he didn't trust you. Then I think after the lawyer unvoted it gave him reason to see your theory as it did me
I am trying to consider all possibilities here. We haven't hit scum yet and don't have any interactions to go off of yet.
One, that's not how scumslips work, and two, I would have to be scum for an actual scumslip to be a scumslip.
You're missing all the nuance in how yesterday unfolded. My position was that Fury was probably Gaga being "too scummy to be scum" and wanted to lynch him. Then, once he started posting more, I re-evaluated and decided that the connection between 22 and The Lawyer was really suspicious so I started thinking 22 was Gaga. I still think that The Lawyer is probably the fan, but you are getting really defensive when I'm speculating than an alternative could be you/Sinon.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
The problem isn't flip flopping per se, as of course we should all be reevaluating but you repeatedly have refused to give an explanation any of it when asked. I appear focused on you only because you're like trying to nail jello to a wall and won't commit to anything, and you're trying to surreptitiously drive the course of the conversation. You're like a politician being asked a question. And, like one, you get falsely offended as another way to get out of having to commit to anything or answer anything. And last, your trying to lump me and PTB and scum team reads desperate. I think we need to put the pressure on Whad and really see what they have to say.
-vote Whad
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Whad i keep seeing you go after 2 players when there going against you.
first it was 22 and lawyer
now your saying PTB and Sinon are a scum team.
It's a really weak ploy to divert attention going from yourself.
tunneling a target that looks scummy -as a few of us did to fury yesterday- is fine and I do feel that switching votes when you see a target is not getting lynched is fine.
however yesterday you very quickly switched from fury to 22.
while i agree fury did get more town looking near the end of the day this opens a possibility.
Fury went after pod as a fan after saying day one he wanted him replaced or modkilled (i think ot was fury could of been ptb) knowing pod would br replaced or at least return he felt fanning a ghost player would work as either a shield or a cruise player.
through the replace came Whad.
Whad was told in gaga day chat to tunnel fury till late game then switch to 22 as furys WIFOM tactics broke down and he became more towny.
this allows a town to die.
the only discrepancy is the no die.
Because of that either the roles are switched with Whad being gaga and going with the trolling player as a meat shield hoping he would die as a fan making whad look all good and healthy to town (simple bussing tactics) the no die is simple as furys death stirs a huge pot of mess with everyone looking at who moved from fury to 22, whad being the instigator.
However unlikely that is, its a option that must be looked at
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I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
If Whad is lynched today and is hater we need to look seriously at ptb and whoever dies from fanning.
Listen here in Russian,ex forces and fought in the Afghan war and the first Chechen war I drink vodka and lived in England for 13 years wanna stop me try it.
Like I said, Fury started seeming townish when he started trying to scumhunt. I felt like there were enough people that looked worse (i.e. twentytwo and others) that it didn't make sense to still be voting Fury. I was also convinced that town Fury would be a big help to us, but i guess not lol
At the very least, if Fury is town, he helps us more than twenty two or TBP would have. #sorrynotsorry
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Listen here in Russian,ex forces and fought in the Afghan war and the first Chechen war I drink vodka and lived in England for 13 years wanna stop me try it.
I understand my credibility is gone since people apparently don't like when people change their mind about someone and I led a mislynch on 22. Misread that one, but I stand by the read with the information we had at the time.
I'm fine if you all decide you want to lynch me. I'll have to think a bit about who scum is since once I get lynched it's LYLO I think?
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
I know. But what do you think of my whad and lawyer connection. Him with fury is def possible. They're both brilliant scum and his whole no convert suicide thing is definitely something one of them would do as a tactic.
Perhaps they'll push a ml on me or sinon today or maybe even you
This doesn't make any sense...
At the time, Sinon and Suntax were voting Fury, following my train on him.
Then I switched to 22 who was at the time being voted by the Lawyer. Why would Sinon be happy to follow my lead on the Fury train but not on the 22 train? I don't think he can say that he was unhappy with who was leading the train because I think we can agree I was leading the Fury train and 22 train, both of which Sinon ended up hopping on.
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For me its not that you changed its 2 things
The target twenty two was not defending himself and was rather casual pointing towards town, i joined that train as we had few hours left and lynch of a bad town is better then none imo.
The change-you changed very quickly as soon as fury has a tiny amount of credibility you switched pushing against 22.
You can changevotes all you want i went from fury to Sinon to fury to 22.
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Um bro because by the time you got to 22 you voted like 2 other people and accused everyone under the sun of being scum and then you backed off them if they responded to you lol. Before that he could probably see it oh and maybe because he told me not to drink your fucking koolaid lmao
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I think since today is our last mislynch the scum will try to get votes on someone to lock in a mislynch. If you and Sinon are both scum and get like one other person to vote me with you, then it will be 3 votes, and the rest of the town probably won't be able to get itself together to put up another candidate at 3 votes and then it will either be no lynch or Whad lynch.
On LYLO day, I think that scum will wait for a towny to misvote and then swoop in to hammer.
This is just how I see the voting strategy playing out today so yeah, it makes you and Sinon look coordinated and scummy imo.
I am Hela, Odin's firstborn, commander of the legions of Asgard, the rightful heir to the throne and the Goddess of Death.
Listen here in Russian,ex forces and fought in the Afghan war and the first Chechen war I drink vodka and lived in England for 13 years wanna stop me try it.
This whole game I've either been swamped with work or (now) drunk. I am sorry guys