S-FM 227 Lady Gaga

[PowersThatBe]

Yeah agreed.

But I guess I just feel like Mesk is flyring so under the radar and it's not like town mesk at all.

I've seen mesk play like this as town. When we played spirits she literally just sheeped all my votes LOL. I had to ping her.

Idk I think it's town mesk behavior.

But I also know she's judging that sc2 mafia mod MVP contest and there was like 10 entries.

[The Lawyer]

Also y'all have been assuming too much that I would be culted N1 and basically thought me likely to be scum on D2 regardless of what I did. Frustrating really. I don't get wtf happened and why no one died but at this point you probably realize that I would have died if I was the fan. I don't know what kind of powers the power scum has but surely the rule is that the fan suicides the next night.

[PowersThatBe]

Also y'all have been assuming too much that I would be culted N1 and basically thought me likely to be scum on D2 regardless of what I did. Frustrating really. I don't get wtf happened and why no one died but at this point you probably realize that I would have died if I was the fan. I don't know what kind of powers the power scum has but surely the rule is that the fan suicides the next night.

Host stated the fan doesn't have to die they just don't convert

[The Lawyer]

Ok updated reads then. Who is Gaga, who is fan?

I have no fucking idea. I was convinced that it was 22 & fury the whole time and haven't even considered other people and when 22 flipped I thought that Trine had to be the fan. Now that no one died how am I supposed to know wtf is going on. I have to reread everything and the first thing I will do is pay attention to who was defending whom.

[The Lawyer]

I'm gonna sleep now & be back in the morning

[Mesk514]

WHAD IS RIGHT
THIS GAME IS MISSING SOME TROLL MESK

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[The Lawyer]

I think that The fan dying off is optional?

Can Lady Gaga's fan choose whether or not to Fan someone else?

So The Lawyer is probably still fanned?

Oh holy shit no. I've had enough of this. Has anyone considered the possibility that I actually wouldn't be converted since everyone is ASSUMING that I would be converted based on D1 therefore everyone would assume that I was the fan and I would always get lynched D2 except I wasn't lynched by the greater miracle that was my retarded theory about 22. The best plan for gaga would be to convert someone else and then have everyone assume that I am the fan so I get lynched as town. I will now look into everyone who is still pushing me being the fan I am tired of this shit.

[PowersThatBe]

I have no fucking idea. I was convinced that it was 22 & fury the whole time and haven't even considered other people and when 22 flipped I thought that Trine had to be the fan. Now that no one died how am I supposed to know wtf is going on. I have to reread everything and the first thing I will do is pay attention to who was defending whom.

Why me doh?

[Mesk514]

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HOW BOOOH DATT

[The Lawyer]

I'll do it tomorrow going to bed now.

[Mesk514]

I've seen mesk play like this as town. When we played spirits she literally just sheeped all my votes LOL. I had to ping her.

Idk I think it's town mesk behavior.

But I also know she's judging that sc2 mafia mod MVP contest and there was like 10 entries.

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING ME
OUR BLOCK BROKE UP

[Mesk514]

no but for reals, i just got a new job and have had some other site things to do over the week, so i dont think "flying under the radar" is accurate at all.

[Suntax]

Oh God all the names changing back hurts my head.
in other news no fan death opens a multitude OF options, PTB explained most.
the fan no death gives us a healthy plate of potential infomation and is quite good for us, it does mean we lose other infomation which could of been equally crucial.

I don't think Whad could be gaga, granted it is a possible scenario that there was no fan N1 i feel it would be highly unlikely as i expect that Whad was replaced in before night end on day one and did fan (if he was gaga in this situation)

Because of that I think the fan from yesterday is still around so we have some leads to who could be the fan, am i correct?

Also, does this no death give us more time potentially to get gaga?

[The Lawyer]

Why me doh?

Cuz when 22 flipped hater I thought fury was gaga and you were the fan. Let's be honest fury was scummy af on D2 and you were defending him but now you didn't die and I don't know anything anymore and I feel disgusting after everything that happened with 22.

[PowersThatBe]

Oh holy shit no. I've had enough of this. Has anyone considered the possibility that I actually wouldn't be converted since everyone is ASSUMING that I would be converted based on D1 therefore everyone would assume that I was the fan and I would always get lynched D2 except I wasn't lynched by the greater miracle that was my retarded theory about 22. The best plan for gaga would be to convert someone else and then have everyone assume that I am the fan so I get lynched as town. I will now look into everyone who is still pushing me being the fan I am tired of this shit.

Nice appeal to emotion. Honestly I think this is the play Gaga and fan would make. This is your play now. "Well I pushed a 22 Lynch but he came up town and the people who thought I was scummy are scummy because well they questioned me and they must be bad"


You're just circling the drain mate. You could have probably hoped hammering him would make you look more innocent and anyone questioning you look more scummy.


Idk about that play though.

[PowersThatBe]

WHY ARE YOU DEFENDING ME
OUR BLOCK BROKE UP

Well excuse me. Fick off. I thought me u and fury for ever and we were gonna add whad cry

[PowersThatBe]

Cuz when 22 flipped hater I thought fury was gaga and you were the fan. Let's be honest fury was scummy af on D2 and you were defending him but now you didn't die and I don't know anything anymore and I feel disgusting after everything that happened with 22.

Fury was a policy Lynch and I hate policy lynches

[Suntax]

Cuz when 22 flipped hater I thought fury was gaga and you were the fan. Let's be honest fury was scummy af on D2 and you were defending him but now you didn't die and I don't know anything anymore and I feel disgusting after everything that happened with 22.

If we go with your theory it makes total sense for ptb to no die.
if ptb turned out to be fan and we found out today, her defending fury would be a huge revelation pointing to fury being gaga as the most likely scenario-we pointed this out yesterday.
So choosing not to die means no.immediate suspicion is put out on Fury.
This does means gaga would have to only vote and get town to mislynch as ptb could not die to reveal fury as gaga.

Do I think this theory is true-I'm not sure
is it possible this could be case-absolutelyt

[PowersThatBe]

Oh God all the names changing back hurts my head.
in other news no fan death opens a multitude OF options, PTB explained most.
the fan no death gives us a healthy plate of potential infomation and is quite good for us, it does mean we lose other infomation which could of been equally crucial.

I don't think Whad could be gaga, granted it is a possible scenario that there was no fan N1 i feel it would be highly unlikely as i expect that Whad was replaced in before night end on day one and did fan (if he was gaga in this situation)

Because of that I think the fan from yesterday is still around so we have some leads to who could be the fan, am i correct?


Also, does this no death give us more time potentially to get gaga?

Ya whad theory is weakest but still possible. It does give us more time to find gaga. It also gives us another lynch today and pushes a possible no lynch until tomorrow.

Fan would be dumb not to convert tonight Imo

[PowersThatBe]

If we go with your theory it makes total sense for ptb to no die.
if ptb turned out to be fan and we found out today, her defending fury would be a huge revelation pointing to fury being gaga as the most likely scenario-we pointed this out yesterday.
So choosing not to die means no.immediate suspicion is put out on Fury.
This does means gaga would have to only vote and get town to mislynch as ptb could not die to reveal fury as gaga.

Do I think this theory is true-I'm not sure
is it possible this could be case-absolutelyt

Lol if I were the fan I would not have defended fury like that lmao. That's a little too on the nose for me.

I do think the fan not dying is hiding some connection from yesterday though.

I mean if you want I'm totally down to lynch fury today, especially if he's not contributing. Scum gave us a free lynch.

[PowersThatBe]

Also I am a guy

[PowersThatBe]

@gyrlander 5 votes to lynch?

[PowersThatBe]

@Gyrlander above post

[Suntax]

Also I am a guy

Well im awfully sorry to misgender you (defo not sarcasm)
But yea im just saying its possible you could of used the, oh it looks too scummy to.be scummy which fury tried to.use yesterday but is just a horseshit argument but i do think its unlikely, just like the Whad theory.

Im reluctant to lynch fury today as while his interrogation went on yesterday he became less scummy but that could just be a defense kicking.

He said himself yesterday that he knew April fool's would end during this game which gave his "im scummy to look.town cause meta" tactic some credit, but he knew so as gaga (hypothetical) he could.use that tactic as people could believe his meta from april fool's allowing him to cruise through the game quite easily.

Now I want to.wait till he arrives, see how he goes about today and if he continues his restless tunneling onslaught on me.

[Fury]

Everyone wants me dead and I'm just a sad bear

[Fury]

FeelsBearMan

[Gyrlander]

Erm... I haven't changed it so it should be the same... But anyway.

5 votes to hammer.

[PowersThatBe]

22's vote analysis

The lawyer votes early in the day and wants him lynched

Whad joins the vote after pointing the finger at pretty much everyone and there his vote on fury then sinon and then 22. (May have missed someone)

I join the vote and then Sinon makes a great point and I decide that my tired delirium state was not a good voting state.

Sinon was against 22 lynch and then was for it the next morning. Joins vote

Suntax joins the vote

I see that 22 (a scum read at that time) is close to being lynched. I also saw the lawyer uncovered him and that gave whads theory more substance. I vote

The lawyer hammers


No fan dies

[PowersThatBe]

Everyone wants me dead and I'm just a sad bear

I don't ❤ but if they wanna say we're scum team let's show em hehe

[PowersThatBe]

Oh and I forgot ccantman tried to pull us off the train

[Fury]

I wish we were scum team not often a town is this exploitable :/

[PowersThatBe]

I wish we were scum team not often a town is this exploitable :/

I knooooowww

What are your feelings today?

[ccantman]

ugh no fan death

but tonight fan needs to convert or we gain a ML

we are still at 3 ML in game and used 2 of them, nothing changed number eise on that.
I think this gave is a second day we can pass though with no lynch.

something we could contenplate is that we pass and see where the fan goes.


this does lead to an issues since the fan doesnt need to covert and town doesnt need to lynch. This game could go on forever.
What happens then?

Like I think town passing until fan dies so we can eval day 2 better would be the plab

[PowersThatBe]

ugh no fan death

but tonight fan needs to convert or we gain a ML

we are still at 3 ML in game and used 2 of them, nothing changed number eise on that.
I think this gave is a second day we can pass though with no lynch.

something we could contenplate is that we pass and see where the fan goes.


this does lead to an issues since the fan doesnt need to covert and town doesnt need to lynch. This game could go on forever.
What happens then?

Like I think town passing until fan dies so we can eval day 2 better would be the plab

No it's always better to lynch over no lynch. This actually allows us to lynch today and no lynch tomorrow with less people. Then even if the fan converts after that we're at a smaller pool of suspects.

[PowersThatBe]

If we're not going to lynch there is nothing to motivate people to scum hunt and the scum team are under no pressure. The fan could hold out indefinitely until we are forced to start lynching again

We never gain a mislynch

[ccantman]

No it's always better to lynch over no lynch. This actually allows us to lynch today and no lynch tomorrow with less people. Then even if the fan converts after that we're at a smaller pool of suspects.

we always had this option. the fan not dying does not give us a magical pass +1. We alwayd had it.
if the fan passes twice then we gain one.

abd tou cant say its always correct to lynch and we get to pass in the same sentence.


Also why cant we pass?
unlike other games the gaga and fan never make progress.
in a game where mafia always kills. passing is bad becuase you slowly lose town
in a or al cult gane you solowly get coverted

in this game what is the down side of the pass?
the fan gets to kill someome, but we just had a day where they passed.
today we SHOulULD of been at one less town one less fan.

if the fan wants to play no kill, the town should also play no lynch.

until the fan makes a move the town has no incentive to lynch.
if the fan keeps not killing the the town stays at the same staus quo
if the fan finally starts to kill we would be at the state we should of been today but weret.

we need to force tte fan to act.

[PowersThatBe]

we always had this option. the fan not dying does not give us a magical pass +1. We alwayd had it.
if the fan passes twice then we gain one.

abd tou cant say its always correct to lynch and we get to pass in the same sentence.


Also why cant we pass?
unlike other games the gaga and fan never make progress.
in a game where mafia always kills. passing is bad becuase you slowly lose town
in a or al cult gane you solowly get coverted

in this game what is the down side of the pass?
the fan gets to kill someome, but we just had a day where they passed.
today we SHOulULD of been at one less town one less fan.

if the fan wants to play no kill, the town should also play no lynch.

until the fan makes a move the town has no incentive to lynch.
if the fan keeps not killing the the town stays at the same staus quo
if the fan finally starts to kill we would be at the state we should of been today but weret.

we need to force tte fan to act.

We don't gain a ml. Were at the same number -- we don't increase our number of mls-- we have 2 more and will always have 2 more.

If we ml today, we can pass tomorrow if the fan converts. Originally we would have had to pass today if they conveverted last night.

Lol you have that all wrong. We have 2 more MLs based on the number.

we're not giving the fan incentive by not lynching. Were only delaying what we have to do as a town. Scum hunt and lynch Gaga. That is the only way we will win.

It makes no sense. The fan will probably just not convert to info starve us and then we will HAVE to lynch regardless of if the fan converts or not.

Do you not get that?

[PowersThatBe]

@Gyrlander we can no lynch correct?

[ccantman]

how are you counting?

we had 3 mislynches

we lynched TBP and 22 where are you getting a 4th ML? we have 1 ML left.

we can still LYNCH twice but we only have 1 ML

[PowersThatBe]

how are you counting?

we had 3 mislynches

we lynched TBP and 22 where are you getting a 4th ML? we have 1 ML left.

we can still LYNCH twice but we only have 1 ML

The fan didn't convert.

We're at 6 v 2

Ml = 5 v 2
Convert = 4 v 2

Ml = 3 v 2
Convert = 2v2 and game over

WE HAVE two more mislynches

[PowersThatBe]

Oh I get what you're saying.

[PowersThatBe]

We can lynch twice but the second lynch is a lose situation @ccantman

[PowersThatBe]

But still if we don't lynch we're not giving the Gaga anything to fear and no reason for the fan to convert. This the only thing we'll accomplish is having the longest s-fm in site history lol.

Essentially even if we're not losing a town at night, lynching is our only power and the scum know that. So refusing to lynch prevents us from doing what town needs to do.

[ccantman]

yes.

but if we mislynch and the fan does not kill, that is when we get a second mislynch

(we go to 5v2)
so the fan needs to kill tonight to prevent this

if we pass and the fan doesnt kill we are at infinite loop (draw?)

if we pass an fan kills
then day 3 was a "waste" but day 4 will be where day 3 should of been

if we lislynch and fan kills the game follows as if we were at 5v2 but is 4v2 instead

I believe it is best if we force the fan to act. this gives us the information we were hoping for. who on day 2 was not telling the truth/ trying to mislead.

if we lynch today its still off what we had day 2, we needed the fan's suicide to gain perfect day 3 information. by pasing we left day 4 become our day 3 with no risk to the ML count.

it stays the same and we get more informatioj without losing a ML. and if no act again it goes to that draw scenerio.

[ccantman]

gaga and fan tried to game us by not killing anyone, but due to the rules of the setup we can counteract that gaminjjg by just passing

[ccantman]

I gave my case on why we should pass. if the rest of the town wants to still lynch despite my arument i will lynch with them. But getting the rest of towns input for this and their understanding of best plan.

[Gyrlander]

@Gyrlander we can no lynch correct?

Affirmative.

[PowersThatBe]

But that's also what I was saying earlier. We can ml today, whereas if the fan converted we would have had to no vote today to prevent the final lynch. Tomorrow we can no lynch since it would prevent us from losing out and give us time to find Gaga.

That was my original point. We have a mislynch today, our next mislynch after today (if it turns out to be a ml) we can no vote tomorrow.

So here's my thought process

If we ml today

Were 5v2
If fan doesn't convert we're still at 5v2

If they do convert we're at 4v2

Then tomorrow if we no vote for option 1
And they convert then we're at 4v2

But if they don't convert we're still at 5v2

Option 2 it's 4 v 2 and we no lynch
They convert and it's 3 v 2

If we lynch at 4 v 2 and they convert
We lose

[PowersThatBe]

gaga and fan tried to game us by not killing anyone, but due to the rules of the setup we can counteract that gaminjjg by just passing

But we can't because they hold the power lol. Not lynching just lets them control more of the game. We have to spend our time scum hunting. I bet they pulled this purely to distract us from solving the game.

[Fury]

Lul didn't read