S-FM 225: WIFOM Mafia Q

[RLVG]

RLVG presents...
S-FM 225
WIFOM Mafia Q

A noir of deception, featuring a lot of misfortune and more deception.

Setup Information(Click Me!)

Setup :

1. Joker
2. Jester
3. Agent
   
4. Agent
   
5. Agent
6. Detective
   
7. Detective
   
8. Lookout
   
9. Citizen
   
10. Citizen
    
11. Citizen
    
12. Citizen
    
13. Citizen

Players :
- Mesk514
- TwentyTwo
- Unknown1234
- Gyrlander
- Rachyl
- Fury
- ika
- Stealthbomber16
- Alijach
- ccantman
- SuperJack
- The Burning Phoenix
- Ares

Day & Night shortcuts :
- Night 0 (OP)
- Day 1
- Day 2
- Day 3
- Day 4
- Day 5
- Conclusion

Night 1 ends at 20:00 14th March, Central European Time.

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

[RLVG]

I would like to clarify a misunderstanding.

Anyone who does No Action will be seen as self visiting.

I was asked if this counts for Citizen - they also count in this.
When I was questioned if they can visit themselves by choice or not, I didn't think too much about it and answered that they can self visit by choice, because d'uh why wouldn't they be able to self visit?
I technically gave the wrong answer to the wrong question, lol.

[RLVG]

Computer crashed because I was being a jackass about my capture system, sorry about delay. I'll be processing night actions for now!
Because of this, expect feedback to be delayed.

I'll be quick. Day 1 starts when I send out the batch of PMs.

[RLVG]

Day 1



A fantastic night in Knoxville with not a single crime. What's that? Kaboom.
Police sirens are ringing and rushing straight for the bank and a big car chase scene occured.
The bank robbers got away and used some of their money to place a bounty on ika and Stealthbomber16.
This kickstarted a crime wave and there's now an organized mafia.

BOUNTY :
ika & Stealthbomber.
If neither of these players are lynched, the Joker may either place a bomb on a player, or decide the lives of the two.

Players :
- Mesk514
- TwentyTwo
- Unknown1234
- Gyrlander
- Rachyl
- Fury
- ika
- Stealthbomber16
- Alijach
- ccantman
- SuperJack
- The Burning Phoenix
- Ares

Dead Players :
- None yet.

Day End :
16th March 20:00 CET.

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7 votes to hammer.

• Every day is a forced lynch day and if no lynch, highest voted will be lynched or randomed by ties.
• In order to lynch someone, a player need to be voted by Majority of the players that's alive. (51%)

[ccantman]

So I think the town and the mafia need to kill the joker as the highest priority. And then after that is solved go after each other. So a semi truce needs to be made in the meantime.

So that being said, I think we need to ignore the two targets the joker picked and try and find him. The only problem is if the joker chose himself night one, which of course is a possibibllity.

So given that, I have a suggestion.
We all go around and say IF YOU WERE JOKER, NIGHT ONE, WOULD YOU HAVE CHOOSEN YOURSELF AS THE SECOND PLAYER (With 6 invest roles, targeting oneself seems suicidal).
If we go around and the Majority says they would targetthem selves, we pick one of the two the joker has choosen (If one of the invest roles want to reveal and given info to help dwindle it down, thats on them to declare as once the joker is dead we would be against each other), but if the majority says the would not pick themselves, then we pick one the remaining 12 and leave the 2 to the fate of the joker.

I think this seems fair. The joker can only vote for one of the 13 votes and cannot influence our decisions as a whole.
And then while I do suspect the two who are choosen to die to the joker and we gain a MM for N2, IF THEY DON'T DIE, that also give us some information (and also lets the town keep at least 1 non-joker alive, and best case 2 if the joker wants to mess with us)

Obviously after this, N2 can go either way after that, but I think N1 is the cleanist for this decision to work.


So on that note, I would say, I WOULD NOT TARGET MYSELF NIGHT ONE AS THE JOKER IF I WAS.

[The Burning Phoenix]

Most of you probably know this but we might have a 1/11 chance of lynching the joker.
Do we have any leads?

[Mesk514]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 5 CHANCES TO ROLE SCUM AND I STILL ROLE TOWN WEOOOOWEOOOOOOO
PM ME ROLESS BITCHEEZZZZZZZZZZZZ

[SuperJack]

=)

[Unknown1234]

I think looking for the joker is not as easy as you make it sound. They don't have teammates and therefore can't be associated. It's essentially a neutral informed citizen.

[Unknown1234]

=)

If you make more smilies i will remember this.

[Unknown1234]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 5 CHANCES TO ROLE SCUM AND I STILL ROLE TOWN WEOOOOWEOOOOOOO
PM ME ROLESS BITCHEEZZZZZZZZZZZZ

This doesn't sound like usual Mesk. I don't see a citizen claim or anything.

[The Burning Phoenix]

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL 5 CHANCES TO ROLE SCUM AND I STILL ROLE TOWN WEOOOOWEOOOOOOO
PM ME ROLESS BITCHEEZZZZZZZZZZZZ

I'm not going to pm you my role.

[SuperJack]

If you reveal Jester. I promise to lynch you in exchange for killing someone for me.

[Mesk514]

ALSO, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG, BUT THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFERENT SETUP SO DONT DING ME FOR ACTUALLY GIVING A SHIT 4 POSTS IN BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

If theres 3 mafia and 1 joker and we disregard the two people that are being pushed the joker then only has a night kill and 3/12 to kill a mafia lolololol as opposed to the mafia who have an informed 3 v 9 v 1 therefore shouldn't the mafia be the priority?

[SuperJack]

I'm not going to pm you my role.

Get an Avatar.

[Mesk514]

I'm not going to pm you my role.

YOURE NEW SO I FORGIVE YOU BB

[Unknown1234]

Apparently SuperJack and Mesk514 are going to be a handful this game.

[SuperJack]

ALSO, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG, BUT THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFERENT SETUP SO DONT DING ME FOR ACTUALLY GIVING A SHIT 4 POSTS IN BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

If theres 3 mafia and 1 joker and we disregard the two people that are being pushed the joker then only has a night kill and 3/12 to kill a mafia lolololol as opposed to the mafia who have an informed 3 v 9 v 1 therefore shouldn't the mafia be the priority?

Yeh. Teams before Solo.

[The Burning Phoenix]

If you reveal Jester. I promise to lynch you in exchange for killing someone for me.

That sounds like someone evil would say that, we should vote SuperJack
-vote SuperJack

[SuperJack]

Apparently SuperJack and Mesk514 are going to be a handful this game.

Nobody asked you.

[Unknown1234]

[ vote ]superjack [/vote ] is how you vote without the spaces

[Unknown1234]

Nobody asked you.

Nobody didn't ask me.

[ccantman]

ALSO, CORRECT ME IF IM WRONG, BUT THIS IS SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFERENT SETUP SO DONT DING ME FOR ACTUALLY GIVING A SHIT 4 POSTS IN BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT

If theres 3 mafia and 1 joker and we disregard the two people that are being pushed the joker then only has a night kill and 3/12 to kill a mafia lolololol as opposed to the mafia who have an informed 3 v 9 v 1 therefore shouldn't the mafia be the priority?

Possibly, but the Joker can kill two people a night.
Joker needs to kill mafia.
Mafia needs to kill Joker.
Any town kills are only useful post this point.

So while trying to find Joker, mafia needs to make sure cits don't all die (No one Wins)
And joker needs to kill mafia before killing cits (otherwise also no on wins)

So to an extent, town is "safe"
And lets pretend we get joker Day 1.
Its just a standard 8v1v1 (if you consider jester not town/not mafia) or 8v2/9v1 otherwise

[SuperJack]

That sounds like someone evil would say that, we should vote SuperJack
-vote SuperJack

Nope, just common sense.

Much easier to play a game without someone purposely ruining the day chat. And possibly getting them to kill someone in exchange for their wincon completion.

Aka -1 Neutral +1 Town Controled Kill = $$$ For Town $$$

Also, use the vote tag.

(vote)SuperJack(/vote)

Just use square brackets.

[Mesk514]

@ika , are you town? I think we need to block the fuck up already

[Unknown1234]

That's literally what you've been doing.

[Unknown1234]

That's literally what you've been doing.

This was to Jack. Whoops!

[The Burning Phoenix]

Nope, just common sense.

Much easier to play a game without someone purposely ruining the day chat. And possibly getting them to kill someone in exchange for their wincon completion.

Aka -1 Neutral +1 Town Controled Kill = $$$ For Town $$$

Also, use the vote tag.

(vote)SuperJack(/vote)

Just use square brackets.

I"m pretty sure a townie wouldn't want to kill a person that could possibly be a townie, mafia or joker might want someone that they don't know dead.

-vote SuperJack

[ccantman]

Also it looks like if we get to a weird state of Joker/mafia/jester, the game technically continues as the jester can technically still win, but neither jester/mafia can win

[SuperJack]

Possibly, but the Joker can kill two people a night.
Joker needs to kill mafia.
Mafia needs to kill Joker.
Any town kills are only useful post this point.

So while trying to find Joker, mafia needs to make sure cits don't all die (No one Wins)
And joker needs to kill mafia before killing cits (otherwise also no on wins)

So to an extent, town is "safe"
And lets pretend we get joker Day 1.
Its just a standard 8v1v1 (if you consider jester not town/not mafia) or 8v2/9v1 otherwise

Shit Logic.
Both are scum.
Both are equally to be lynched.
No reason to put one before the other.

Mafia can't kill until Joker is dead.
Joker can kill Citizens first, as long as one survives until the Mafia is dead.

[SuperJack]

I"m pretty sure a townie wouldn't want to kill a person that could possibly be a townie, mafia or joker might want someone that they don't know dead.

-vote SuperJack

Oh. Ok. So why should we lynch anyone then? Because that also kills them.

[Mesk514]

Also it looks like if we get to a weird state of Joker/mafia/jester, the game technically continues as the jester can technically still win, but neither jester/mafia can win

???? WHO R U AND WHERE DO YOU COME FROM

[The Burning Phoenix]

Oh. Ok. So why should we lynch anyone then? Because that also kills them.

Because I believe you aren't a townie and one of the 5 evil roles

[Mesk514]

IM SAYING THIS NOW,
im 220% inclined to follow joker, joker dead and mafia has control of night kill and informed votes. thats risky as balls

i need to reread the setup i think though but i agree with SJ they're equally good lynches however, if someone is overtly the joker im more likely to want to lynch them later and focus on mafia?

[Mesk514]

Because I believe you aren't a townie and one of the 5 evil roles

I LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, 33 POSTS IN AND YOUVE ALREADY SOLVED THE GAME

[ccantman]

Shit Logic.
Both are scum.
Both are equally to be lynched.
No reason to put one before the other.

Mafia can't kill until Joker is dead.
Joker can kill Citizens first, as long as one survives until the Mafia is dead.

Both are scum, but both are different level of scum.

Like right now. We we have two people we could lynch to please the joker. If both are town. We are helping mafia while preventing the joker kill
If 1 or both are mafia and we will lynch one and we are letting joker get closer to victory.

Where as f we don't kill either of them. WE are getting a chance to get teh joker. IF both are town, if we don't lynch the two up, and the joker kills, its leading closer to the state where no one wins, so it only is beneficial when its a 1 for 1 trade, or he gets lucky and gets two mafia.
So under this logic we shouldn't kill either of them as its better to not kill one of them regardless of the situaton.

But if the joker knows this, he can put himself up as one of the targets under this "logic" that we won't lynch one of the two up there because Math.

Which is why I asked if you were joker would you put yourself up. If majority say yes, we lynch one of the two. if majority say no, we get someone in the crowd. If we agree crowd, then mafia/joker, as you said either is fine. But we need to think from the joker's POV first i think, not the mafia's

[The Burning Phoenix]

I LOVE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, 33 POSTS IN AND YOUVE ALREADY SOLVED THE GAME

I'm making an accusation and also you're probably the jester.

[ccantman]

???? WHO R U AND WHERE DO YOU COME FROM

I'm a crazy man with a vote. DEAL WITH IT

[Mesk514]

I'm making an accusation and also you're probably the jester.

oh rip, GG, you caught me

[Mesk514]

I'm a crazy man with a vote. DEAL WITH IT

0.0, got some card? i'll deal

[ccantman]

Because I believe you aren't a townie and one of the 5 evil roles

Trying to convince the town that the jester is evil. PLEASE

[vote]The Burning Phoenix]/vote]

[The Burning Phoenix]

oh rip, GG, you caught me

Yup, the joker should visit you so that d3 you won't annoy us anymore

[Alijach]

So I think the town and the mafia need to kill the joker as the highest priority. And then after that is solved go after each other. So a semi truce needs to be made in the meantime.

So that being said, I think we need to ignore the two targets the joker picked and try and find him. The only problem is if the joker chose himself night one, which of course is a possibibllity.

So given that, I have a suggestion.
We all go around and say IF YOU WERE JOKER, NIGHT ONE, WOULD YOU HAVE CHOOSEN YOURSELF AS THE SECOND PLAYER (With 6 invest roles, targeting oneself seems suicidal).
If we go around and the Majority says they would targetthem selves, we pick one of the two the joker has choosen (If one of the invest roles want to reveal and given info to help dwindle it down, thats on them to declare as once the joker is dead we would be against each other), but if the majority says the would not pick themselves, then we pick one the remaining 12 and leave the 2 to the fate of the joker.

I think this seems fair. The joker can only vote for one of the 13 votes and cannot influence our decisions as a whole.
And then while I do suspect the two who are choosen to die to the joker and we gain a MM for N2, IF THEY DON'T DIE, that also give us some information (and also lets the town keep at least 1 non-joker alive, and best case 2 if the joker wants to mess with us)

Obviously after this, N2 can go either way after that, but I think N1 is the cleanist for this decision to work.


So on that note, I would say, I WOULD NOT TARGET MYSELF NIGHT ONE AS THE JOKER IF I WAS.

Hello everyone!
I'm school at this moment, I'll arrive home in 4 hours, so I'll be more active at that time.

If I'm not mistaken, you want us to answer that: IF we are the joker, would we target ourselves to be one of the bounty kill, night one, as a second target?

If that's the question, then, no, I wouldn't target myself as a second bounty kill. Just because, it will be easier for deceive inv roles at night 1. Targeting myself as FIRST would be REALLY stupid, and If joker can kill 2 people that are opposing him, he can easily kill them/bomb one house. Now, If I target myself second, It would be a risk to plant a bomb, planting a bomb in the other guy's house would be the safe bet, but Joker might reveal himself, who knows, not killing the bounty kills would be a waste-night, so, the safe bet is to target 2 non-jokers in my opinion. After that, as a joker, not targeting myself, targeting myself first or targeting myself second, would make no difference.

It's hard to me to get all the tech-things of this save, but I'm still figuring out some of the questions I have with the Setup post.

Any questions of my post, please, ask them

[ccantman]

-vote The Burning Phoenix

[The Burning Phoenix]

Trying to convince the town that the jester is evil. PLEASE

[vote]The Burning Phoenix]/vote]

I think mesk is the jester and superjack is mafia/joker

[ccantman]

0.0, got some card? i'll deal

I set a trap card Face-down, Put this Non-Combat/Non-Drill into play, Cast this Artifact Creature. Equip an Item to my Fighter in the Arena, Side for 2 Soul, and Attach a Fairy Energy to my bench

[The Burning Phoenix]

I set a trap card Face-down, Put this Non-Combat/Non-Drill into play, Cast this Artifact Creature. Equip an Item to my Fighter in the Arena, Side for 2 Soul, and Attach a Fairy Energy to my bench

Wrong forum ccantman
EDIT: nvm mesk as the jester is crazy.

[Mesk514]

I set a trap card Face-down, Put this Non-Combat/Non-Drill into play, Cast this Artifact Creature. Equip an Item to my Fighter in the Arena, Side for 2 Soul, and Attach a Fairy Energy to my bench

all i read was splooooooshhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh cause that was hot as tits

[ccantman]

Hello everyone!
I'm school at this moment, I'll arrive home in 4 hours, so I'll be more active at that time.

If I'm not mistaken, you want us to answer that: IF we are the joker, would we target ourselves to be one of the bounty kill, night one, as a second target?

If that's the question, then, no, I wouldn't target myself as a second bounty kill. Just because, it will be easier for deceive inv roles at night 1. Targeting myself as FIRST would be REALLY stupid, and If joker can kill 2 people that are opposing him, he can easily kill them/bomb one house. Now, If I target myself second, It would be a risk to plant a bomb, planting a bomb in the other guy's house would be the safe bet, but Joker might reveal himself, who knows, not killing the bounty kills would be a waste-night, so, the safe bet is to target 2 non-jokers in my opinion. After that, as a joker, not targeting myself, targeting myself first or targeting myself second, would make no difference.

It's hard to me to get all the tech-things of this save, but I'm still figuring out some of the questions I have with the Setup post.

Any questions of my post, please, ask them

Yes that was my question, if you were joker, would you put your self as a target.
I want to say the answer is no as well based on your same logic, but if everyone agrees, it would be easier to non vote one of the two on the joker's block

[Mesk514]

I think mesk is the jester and superjack is mafia/joker

i think you need to take a look at my track record, 7 games in a row cit my friend