S-FM Lady Gaga (10P)

[ika]

the fan is dying regardless of being lynched or not. Lynching the fan is not playing well because it's not the objective of the game.

The objective of cult of zed was to find the leader, but if you lynched a cult member it stopped a conversion at night, so there was merit in lynching the cult member. In this set up it does NOT HELP THE TOWN to lynch the fan.

The goal is to find Lady GaGa. That is the only goal, if you find the fan, then you need to look at interactions and try to scum hunt, and change your methods each day as the fan changes. You can use post flip associations to find the GaGa after each fan is revealed.

Lynching the fan hurts the town.

but both objectives from cult of zed and this are the same.

what im saying here is that town should still get merit for lynching fan and not punished becasue thats again, unfair to town that they correctly lynched scum but are still being punished for it. i understand their goal is to get LGG but being punished for hitting the partner (and my biggest point where it matters is the 3v2) is very unfair to town itself.

LGG should be able to be town enough to not be lynched in general. if they got lynched becasue they were scummy thats that.

in turn the fans should never change their read lists ever, they should instead continue the push and reads they had the entire time they are a fan. that way there is really nothing to go on other then maybe the n1 WIFOMing argument of why they were recruited and who would do it.

and if you add the fan back the fan is better off never giving reads at all and jsut trolling the fuck out of the game to rremove town of info so it can jsut take town out though recuitment

it boils down to that the point i keep bringing is not being adressed: why is town being punished for what is objectivly the good and right play (lynching scum). towns overal motive is to lynch LGG yes, but there should be an incentive to also lynch the recuit at a point instead of just going "ignore"

i mean if anything if you get recuited you should jsut afk or just come in and hammer day 2 and out yourself as scum and then jsut take someone new. scums should not be rewarded for being outed scum, they should be punished.

@Gyrlander ping me when you want me to review. Don't want to review during conversations like this, incase something changes about the game.

i would actualy like your (or any fm staffs like @Unknown1234 ) input on this issue.

[PowersThatBe]

but both objectives from cult of zed and this are the same.

what im saying here is that town should still get merit for lynching fan and not punished becasue thats again, unfair to town that they correctly lynched scum but are still being punished for it. i understand their goal is to get LGG but being punished for hitting the partner (and my biggest point where it matters is the 3v2) is very unfair to town itself.

LGG should be able to be town enough to not be lynched in general. if they got lynched becasue they were scummy thats that.

in turn the fans should never change their read lists ever, they should instead continue the push and reads they had the entire time they are a fan. that way there is really nothing to go on other then maybe the n1 WIFOMing argument of why they were recruited and who would do it.

and if you add the fan back the fan is better off never giving reads at all and jsut trolling the fuck out of the game to rremove town of info so it can jsut take town out though recuitment

it boils down to that the point i keep bringing is not being adressed: why is town being punished for what is objectivly the good and right play (lynching scum). towns overal motive is to lynch LGG yes, but there should be an incentive to also lynch the recuit at a point instead of just going "ignore"

i mean if anything if you get recuited you should jsut afk or just come in and hammer day 2 and out yourself as scum and then jsut take someone new. scums should not be rewarded for being outed scum, they should be punished.



i would actualy like your (or any fm staffs like @Unknown1234 ) input on this issue.

I think this is a trumped up issue. I don't think it's really an issue at all. This forces the town to work together and use scum hunting to their advantage. You have to play in a different way than most tradition scum team games, because in lynching one scum, you are actually helping the scum team.

This is as if Masquerade Madness, the solo scum had an apprentice. And instead of the SK changing identities, the identity of the apprentice changes. I think it's unique and cool, and what I think you're doing is hurting the chances for creativity and innovation. Sure this isn't a traditional setup and it wasn't meant to be a traditional set up.

So if you apply traditional methods of thought and scum hunting, the town will fail, this helps the town to rise above -- to shoot for more.

The town shouldn't get anything for not lynching the correct target. It's really that simple. This is gyrlanders save, and if you don't like it, you don't have to play it. Now he has been more than accommodating, and has made alterations. I think we should let this play out, and then see what changes need to happen post game.

As it stands now, this is a very unique set up, and it could lead to team Gaga snowballing, but it's more balanced than cult of zed was...and I think that as long as town works TOGETHER, and, realigns every single day, and treats each day as a day 1 situation, then they should be fine.

But continuing to water it down will just ruin what could be a great and fun save.

Forum mafia isn't and shouldn't be about winning and losing. It should be about playing the game because it is fun. And I say this as a very competitive person.

This save is great. Town has 1 objective, lynch Lady Gaga. That is it. That is how Gyrlander designed it, and trying to get him to switch that just isn't right.

Trying to say "well town should be rewarded for scum hunting." Yeah sure, in most games they are, but this isn't most games, and it doesn't pretend to be a vanilla save. If you want a vanilla save, go play a vanilla save. I, however, will be playing this very interesting save where I know my objective will be to either kill lady gaga as a hater (until or if I am converted) or win the game as Gaga. It's simple, and if I figure out who the fan is. I'm going to try to use that information to kill the lady gaga as a hater.

You're really over complicating this Ika. Truly.

I think the best thing we can do, is let Crypt review and let other fm staff review if they want, and they can have a conversation with gyr separate from us. You've made your points, and I think it would be best if they considered everything between host and fm staff.

[ika]

I think this is a trumped up issue. I don't think it's really an issue at all. This forces the town to work together and use scum hunting to their advantage. You have to play in a different way than most tradition scum team games, because in lynching one scum, you are actually helping the scum team.

yes and that should not be the case. if you think its all trumped up you can just agree to disagree

This is as if Masquerade Madness, the solo scum had an apprentice. And instead of the SK changing identities, the identity of the apprentice changes. I think it's unique and cool, and what I think you're doing is hurting the chances for creativity and innovation. Sure this isn't a traditional setup and it wasn't meant to be a traditional set up.

i already know that and have aknoglaged that. i would still like it to be ballanced

So if you apply traditional methods of thought and scum hunting, the town will fail, this helps the town to rise above -- to shoot for more.

and thats what i have been aruging but it should also mean town should be rewarded for playing right. we have had dicussions in the past on why town does so bad and this would only renforce the negatvitity that has been an issue

The town shouldn't get anything for not lynching the correct target. It's really that simple. This is gyrlanders save, and if you don't like it, you don't have to play it. Now he has been more than accommodating, and has made alterations. I think we should let this play out, and then see what changes need to happen post game.

town should though, otherwise its leads to the same shit site meta we have as of now. i know this is gyrs game and he has every right to refuse everything and anything i say as well. its jsut my adivice as a host that many have argued that the sites games are imballanced and is what have made people play less. so im looking ot have better ballance so players will stay and play again. its not a matter of "just me" its a matter of what has been a site issue

As it stands now, this is a very unique set up, and it could lead to team Gaga snowballing, but it's more balanced than cult of zed was...and I think that as long as town works TOGETHER, and, realigns every single day, and treats each day as a day 1 situation, then they should be fine.

and what are the odds of that happening? while town should be doing that its also what happened in cult of zed and what i used to my advantage. town got apathtic off that and basicly "quit" after day 2

But continuing to water it down will just ruin what could be a great and fun save.

again, gyr can disregard what is said entirely or not. im voicing what i beleive will lead to better site meat and retaining players on what is a site issue bieng adressed in the past about ballance

Forum mafia isn't and shouldn't be about winning and losing. It should be about playing the game because it is fun. And I say this as a very competitive person.

thats what i have said but most people also want ballance

This save is great. Town has 1 objective, lynch Lady Gaga. That is it. That is how Gyrlander designed it, and trying to get him to switch that just isn't right.

im not trying to get him to switch that either. im trying to say that town is stacked to lose by playing right

Trying to say "well town should be rewarded for scum hunting." Yeah sure, in most games they are, but this isn't most games, and it doesn't pretend to be a vanilla save. If you want a vanilla save, go play a vanilla save. I, however, will be playing this very interesting save where I know my objective will be to either kill lady gaga as a hater (until or if I am converted) or win the game as Gaga. It's simple, and if I figure out who the fan is. I'm going to try to use that information to kill the lady gaga as a hater.

and i already explained what fan has to do after day 1, jsut not post at all or troll the shit out fo the game. at best come the lylo/mylo thats when it matters.

finding the fan only leads to a WIFOM dicussion of why was player X recuited. not only that theres jsut another WIFOM argument of fear of "why is player X not dead/converted"

You're really over complicating this Ika. Truly.

not really, like i said, it can be ignored entirly. you are the one who continues to respond in gyrs defense

I think the best thing we can do, is let Crypt review and let other fm staff review if they want, and they can have a conversation with gyr separate from us. You've made your points, and I think it would be best if they considered everything between host and fm staff.

they can review at any point they like, i have even asked them for input on this said issue if you have not noticed. if they wanted us players to not comment at all then they can ask as much. but i find it that they rather encourage it becasue us players can find things they may overlook