Hey SilverWolf, does ika go on mood swings often?
Hey SilverWolf, does ika go on mood swings often?
Not fully able to translate. Would appreciate hints at my guesses in [brackets].
We ask for claims before lynching for a reason, and "there's a jailor" was not a good enough reason to continue to lynch a TPR claim, especially when we had a jailor to confirm. But we can discuss this after the game if you're town.
i like how matt continues to ingore the fact i asked him about his plan now and he continues to ignore it
@Calix , on a scale from 1-10, how much of your townread on Mesk is trusting her trust tell?
I could have, but I scum read you and town read her. There isn't a good incentive for you to answer me truthfully.
And, as i was pondering two posts, SilverWolf had just made one. Which means she was probably on and reading the thread.
Here's what I got:
. . 02:03 PM as well as 02:05PM
. . 02:16 PM
In a span of 11 minutes, you go from casual and carefree (making a joke), to being crass and abrasive (attacking their credibility).this is why i have a fucking hdyra
qyuote him where he said it before the post i link or STFU.
im done for the reat of theday
Maybe it's not scummy, but it is very odd behavior. If it was anyone else, I'd be adding this to the reasons to scum read them.
I'm looking through your forum posts. Can you characterize what you have done this game?
I don't really have a problem with it and I trust that SilverWolf and you are not lying to me.
I'm asking you to sum up what you have done this game:
How you progressed the game/how you held the game back
What notable reads of yours has changed and
Whether or not you pushed someone's lynch/tried to convince someone
stuff like that
What has a head and a tail but no body?
Spoiler : Answer :
Right now, SJ's highlighted reading of me bothers me A LOT.
This is a misrep of my post. My post did not suggest Mesk should be jailed, but rather spent discussing my hopes that she would be productive if jailed as town.
Again, I never said Mesk should be jailed. This is entirely a distortion of my discussion, which was that jailing Mesk was not the epicly dumb move people portrayed it as.
A sense of TMI that I thought DW might be TPR? SCUM DON'T KNOW WHO THE TPRs ARE. HOW IS THIS A NOTE ON A SCUMREADING LIST?
Almost everyone didn't consider the Blackmailer, but it doesn't take several minutes to figure out that the BM can't do anything too devious to make us somehow uncertain that a jailing happened.
She was trying to screw a TPR claim. I completely stand by her needing at least a slap on the wrist for that nonsense.
"the most logical and best move" KEK. A TPR is dead and Sino didn't get confirmed. But more importantly, SJ misreps me by suggesting I was blaming him for DW being lynched. I explained that it wasn't DW's fault his roleclaim happened so close to EoD; his train wasn't there yet. I wasn't saying "omg this is all SJ's fault for bringing shit up so late," as SJ implies.
ISO'ing SJ now, but I stand by my current vote. I am especially bothered that he tries to cast suspicion on me here for thinking DW might be TPR; there is no way scum could know or not know DW was TPR, so it isn't scum indicative, but he frames it as if I have secret information.
I'm accusing you of
1. Not doing anything the whole game. (not pro-town, deceptive)
2. Avoiding getting involved. (survivalistic, anti-town)
3. Accepting town reads on yourself that lack reasoning. (pro-scum)
4. Not following through on what you believe in. (scum indicative)
5. Not being like-minded as me. (scum indicative, usually)
6. Not hesitant to pass judgment, but slow to communicate information. (pro-scum)
Your "evidence" is your ISO. Which takes a wall post to tackle.
Also, secondpassing do you have an opinion on SuperJack as of right now?
He earlier said he is a "solid townread."
@secondpassing , can you explain WHY SJ is so solidly town to you?
because he let my claim get in the way of how he analyzed my behaviour... idk personally im more of a consistency seeker than a full on reads gyal and i must say im pretty consistent as fuck
(took this page straight out of my PTB book)
lol uh, calix is smart as fuck and she knows im town...
Unknown is my biffle and he town read me.
so you have two top tier players town reading me
and also, im given a null read due to the fact that DW made "cases" as to why i was scum. but they're terrible... because im not scum
Spoiler : Post Summary of SJ :
Heading off for the night, but thought I'd leave my notes on SJ. One big thing: there's no serious scumhunting going on here, at least not that he explains. He votes by leaving a single sentence most of the time. His argument on DW was that it felt like he was acting a lot like he was as scum in MW3 and that he had a perhaps overly-aggressive tone. And yet... SJ says the argument in about the same complexity I just did. There really isn't much given in the direction of deep reads.
And yet... he's quite defensive. In 510 he gets mad at how Sino had been supposedly critiquing his scumhunting... when Sino had hardly paid any attention to him at all. He doesn't actually really make much of a case for DW; D1 his mantra near day end is "I want a lynch so we can do VCA, which is clearly much better than having the jailor act." He said he scumread DW, but he wasn't pushing that as his stated reason. He just wanted a lynch.
I get it, I often want lynches too, but what did we really gain here by people killing DW? We still would have known who wanted to kill him, and now we don't have a confirmed jailor. Sure, I'll give 95% chance Sino's a town jailor, but it's not confirmed, and we lost the potential bonding and strategizing that can happen between a confirmed town and the person they jail. It was a rushed vote that mostly just tells us, well, people are stupid. (or that DW was clearly so scummy and deserved it if you follow that train... I don't)
But let's get back to how he gets into DW for a moment: SJ wasn't pushing DW the same way or for the same reasons Calix was. Calix spent a lot of time on the way DW was going after Mesk, characterizing it as unproductive and thus a bit scummy. (I'm still not sure I follow that argument, but whatever) The point is SJ scumread DW for something initially, and then his view didn't get any more nuanced later.
And this is what I consider to be the vital scumtell: SJ didn't continue to evaluate DW. He thought DW acted like he was before... and that's it. A few more posts trolling DW "oh so you admit I'm town" and telling Unknown he'll laugh when DW flips... but no asking DW for more information or responding to new information. At best, he offhandedly dismisses DW's claim on the grounds of setup balance... jailor and escort can't happen together? Didn't even bother to think why DW would claim escort, just continued going for the lynch.
Was SJ's goal to get DW lynched, or did he just see a train and let it drive itself? I can't say that yet without seeing flips on the rest of his train. However, he wasn't sincere in hunting it.
What were his other goals? He went after Sino (oh look, another town as far as we can tell), RV'd Mesk which he clearly never meant, and OMGUS'd me. Me, DW, and Sino. That's a very small list of people to pursue in ~85 posts, (and perhaps a little SP at the end) and none of them too seriously. He voted the people who were pressuring him, and applied pathetic counter-pressure.
Oh yeah, and there's that protracted defense of Mesk and "omg guys you can't read her she's null, but since people are going after her it must be scum going lynchbait so she's probably town." Oy... just... oy. It was a protracted buttkissing of Mesk, who was never much on the block for a lynch. (HE EVEN SAYS IN POST 599 SHE ISN'T GETTING LYNCHED TODAY!) Just repeats the same point that we should be nice to Mesk so she can play well, and yet he only ever engages once with her, to ask for an RLVG ISO, which he never follows up on. That's an awful lot of trying to help Mesk when she didn't need it, and it's not even good help. I can't say if pocketing, white knighting, or just defending a weaker scumbuddy, but he wasn't defending someone who actually needed it, which is scummy.
If this were any other player, with the OMGUSes, shallow reads, pushing mislynches, defending players who don't need it, defensiveness, and opportunism, he'd be dead by now. SJ is not a wonderkid who's been helping us. He drove a TPR to the grave and pretended to be helpful all along.
SJ needs to die, and he needs to die today.
We're 6v3v1, and need 6 votes to lynch. Town needs to vote SJ. NOW.
SJ, i'd like you to give more details about this line from your read on ika.
Yes, he has been active, but forward ? No, he even said it himself at some point during d1, "just ask me if you want my opinion about something", now things may have changed since then, but i don't have the feeling he's helping getting the game forward, he's just questionning everything said about him, and doesn't really give his opinion about what's going on.
[23:19:33] DarknessB: Sino is Mass Murderer -- I don't care if there isn't one in the setup!
[23:19:39] DarknessB:-vote Sino