Donors On the Vote-Kick List...

[Lysergic]

Shouldn't have Donor powers or be listed when the -mods command is typed.

In case you guys haven't seen this, a group of donors on the Kick Vote list are using their status as Donors to troll/prevent being kicked, saying that they are "entitled" to special privileges because they "paid" for them.

This sort of idea is the reason why the average users look down on Donors. Donor shouldn't be about getting a special username color or repick immunity. It should be about wanting to help out DR because he provides such an excellent custom game for free. In other words, this group is making the entire Donor system look bad. If you do something bad enough to wind up on the Kick Vote list, you shouldn't be able to trick common users into thinking that you're somehow "special", or WORSE (and this is ANOTHER tactic I've seen them use) threatening people with bans using your "donor powers."

Of course, the group in question this time is Archangel, Admiral, and (I believe) Necroplant. Interesting given that I thought Necroplant wasn't playing with Archangel anymore.

[Ambient]

I support the idea that donors that are serial griefers and game throwers should loose their abilities.

The thought behind donating is a gift to the game creator. The donation is not a purchase of services. If a player does not respect the game, he should not be able to abuse those powers.

[Lysergic]

As an afterthought, I'll donate at least $5 to see this happen. I'm sure others share this sentiment.

[Thedude69]

This is a bad idea, locked the thread.

[Lysergic]

This is a bad idea, locked the thread.

Yeah, kinda like that, but with Donor instead of Mod. :/

[Goonswarm]

I disagree with this, people who donate should have recognition regardless. They still donated and that should not be revoked regardless of action. If the players continue to act in an overall disruptive manner, we have a system in place for this. You don't have donor powers if you are banned, as you can't play.

[Lysergic]

I disagree with this, people who donate should have recognition regardless. They still donated and that should not be revoked regardless of action. If the players continue to act in an overall disruptive manner, we have a system in place for this. You don't have donor powers if you are banned, as you can't play.

Donor =/= powers.

Donor =/= recognition.

Donor = wanting to help DR.

If Donors are abusing their powers in order to by-pass the kick-vote list (not to mention using the -mods command and the fact that they are Donors to lie about being a moderator), they are no longer HELPING DR.

[Goonswarm]

Donor =/= powers.

Donor =/= recognition.

Donor = wanting to help DR.

If Donors are abusing their powers in order to by-pass the kick-vote list (not to mention using the -mods command and the fact that they are Donors to lie about being a moderator), they are no longer HELPING DR.

As such they would have their level on the watch list elevated and if it continues they will be banned.

If you buy a gun and shoot someone, you go to prison. The gun manufacturer does not come to your house and take the gun away and say "naughty boy".

Nothing should take away from the fact that someone took their personal money and took the time to donate to DR to thank him in whatever extent they felt justified. If you want to have someone punished for abusing donor powers, ask DR to add it to the list of items that players can receive infractions for.

[Apocist]

Perhaps take away donors powers if on watch or kick list?

[Admiral]

Lysergic quit trying to fuck with peoples money just because you don't like their conduct.

+1 to Goonswarm.

[Ice52berg]

Goonswarm, I agree with you in that sense. Donors shouldn't have their "Donor Powers" taken away from them for simply being on the kick-vote list.

However, there are a group of individuals that are donors that seem to think they have unstoppable powers and can do what they want. I would recommend ban those individuals or remove their donor powers. Which ever seems more.

Either way, they are kind of irritating to know they donated $1 and got powers. Perhaps the "donor power" should be limited to people that donate a certain amount?

[Lysergic]

As such they would have their level on the watch list elevated and if it continues they will be banned.

This isn't Watch List. This is Kick-Vote list. And I'd be content to think that they will be further punished if their behavior continues, but honestly, what ELSE could Archangel do to get permabanned from Mafia completely? I don't get how he isn't ALREADY on the banlist.

If you buy a gun and shoot someone, you go to prison. The gun manufacturer does not come to your house and take the gun away and say "naughty boy".

But the government does, actually, so that metaphor falls apart a bit.

Nothing should take away from the fact that someone took their personal money and took the time to donate to DR to thank him in whatever extent they felt justified.

And nothing will. Even if I didn't have special abilities in-game, the sense of satisfaction and loyalty that I get from having helped out by donating can't be erased. I'm not talking about denying that they are Donors or not putting them in the Thank-You thread or whatever. I'm saying that people who are ALREADY being punished through the Kick-Vote list SHOULDN'T be able to abuse the fact that they shelled out a dollar (some of them I'm assuming AFTER they started their illustrious trolling careers). Kinda ruins the community when the people that newcomers LOOK UP TO are trolls, cheaters, and griefers.

If you want to have someone punished for abusing donor powers, ask DR to add it to the list of items that players can receive infractions for.

I'm not asking for them to be punished. I'm asking for a change in the Donor system in order to prevent abuse. It has nothing to do with punishment - this is an exploitable system that should be patched.

Lysergic quit trying to fuck with peoples money just because you don't like their conduct.

+1 to Goonswarm.

Funny; your reply gives my idea more validity. Do you like that this thread is about you?

[Deathfire123]

In Canada you can't even legally buy guns so the whole gun argument is stupid

[Thedude69]

What powers? Changing the color of your name ????

[Lysergic]

What powers? Changing the color of your name ????

I would direct your attention to the first post of the thread, in which I clearly define the problem and why I feel that a change is necessary.

In case you can't be bothered to do that, I'm specifically referring to the -mods command.

[Ambient]

Lysergic quit trying to fuck with peoples money just because you don't like their conduct.

+1 to Goonswarm.

I just watched a replay with Admiral and two others spamming -mods while they were being voted to kick. Yelling that anyone who kicks them will be banned. Obviously anyone with any sense will know they are full of shit, but I do not like their behavior.

[Admiral]

Funny; your reply gives my idea more validity. Do you like that this thread is about you?

Funny; your mad gives my post more validity. Do you like that thread is about your mad?

[Goonswarm]

I just watched a replay with Admiral and two others spamming -mods while they were being voted to kick. Yelling that anyone who kicks them will be banned. Obviously anyone with any sense will know they are full of shit, but I do not like their behavior.

I agree doing this is not ok, at the same time my stance is firm on this, but it is also my opinion.

If you donate money to DR and you gain donor powers in the process, those should not be removed. If they are in game and violating the rules that are set in the complaints thread then action should be taken there.

I honestly feel that if you took the time to donate money that you took the time to earn/steal/whatever to DR that should always be appreciated. If the player uses those abilities to break the rules for the game, that is a separate issue.

If you asked me right now for a solution to fix this problem or somewhat fix it, make it so only moderators can use -mods command. I personally hate when people spam -mods as it is annoying and distracts from the game.

Another solution would be to list all donors one time once the game has loaded (not moderators), and restrict the -mods command to moderators and above.

[Lysergic]

If you asked me right now for a solution to fix this problem or somewhat fix it, make it so only moderators can use -mods command. I personally hate when people spam -mods as it is annoying and distracts from the game.

That would probably do a lot to help solve the issue, though you'd have to try it to see.

My opinion is that donating is donating, not buying immunity to the rules / social norms that guide the game. There should be no sense of entitlement for a Donor because they didn't BUY anything. So the fact that we get sweet shit in-game is cool, but isn't necessary. The point of donating is to help out, not to enhance your e-cock.

And Admiral, I'm not mad, dude. Just trying to make Mafia a better game. I have no problem leaving when I see you in a lobby - same goes for Archangel. I just feel sorry for the other people who don't know to leave, and end up wasting a half-hour being frustrated at your behavior.

[Admiral]

My opinion is that donating is donating, not buying immunity to the rules / social norms that guide the game.

We don't, that's why we're on the lists in the first place.

Starting to sound mad.

[Apocist]

Well the fact that donating gives you something special may entice more people to donate(which is what DR probably thought about). I still say one should lose their donor abilities if put on a watch/kick list(at while the list is in effect)

[Lysergic]

We don't, that's why we're on the lists in the first place.

Starting to sound mad.

The problem is that you - referring to the group of people who are Donors and are on the kick-vote list - constantly look for new ways to annoy people, ruin games, and avoid punishment (e.g. being kicked). Posing as a mod, in most games, is an instant, permanent ban. We're not talking about that; we're talking about patching a single, relatively insignificant feature in order to prevent you from abusing it.

This has nothing to do with emotions. It's about efficiency; helping the greatest number of people to enjoy the game as possible. Unfortunately, you are in the minority that thinks "fun" is making as many people as possible angry, and so that puts you on the losing side of this debate.

[Goonswarm]

The problem is that you - referring to the group of people who are Donors and are on the kick-vote list - constantly look for new ways to annoy people, ruin games, and avoid punishment (e.g. being kicked). Posing as a mod, in most games, is an instant, permanent ban. We're not talking about that; we're talking about patching a single, relatively insignificant feature in order to prevent you from abusing it.

This has nothing to do with emotions. It's about efficiency; helping the greatest number of people to enjoy the game as possible. Unfortunately, you are in the minority that thinks "fun" is making as many people as possible angry, and so that puts you on the losing side of this debate.

This part I agree with. I inform Disguisers as soon as they kill me that attempting to impersonate any form of moderation will get them booted and wish them GL afterwards. Posing as a mod when you are not and acting poorly gives us bad names and a bad image in the community. If I had my say on that particular issue it would be instant kickvote then perm ban for 2nd offense.

[Sookie]

i like how the only ones to besides goonswarm refute the proposed actions are the trolls in question. goonswarm on the other hand given his position and points made his argument is valid.

i'm kinda on the fence in between myself. while i agree with Lysergic about players abusing the abilities and status given from being a donor should have said abilities taken away. i also goon with goon's point on people shouldn't have their abilities revoked for being on the watch or votekick list. i believe only those abusing status and abilities should have theirs removed.

I just watched a replay with Admiral and two others spamming -mods while they were being voted to kick. Yelling that anyone who kicks them will be banned. Obviously anyone with any sense will know they are full of shit, but I do not like their behavior.

Behavior such as this should not be tolerated, as not only does it insult those who tho donate simply because they wish to support DR and nothing more; it also makes other players not trust the nontrolling donors.

speaking of which, about 2 weeks back i had someone randomly say "azu, the only nontrolling donor" after i -mod to see if anyone else was in the game. while its not really true, i do troll. i'm just not a douche about it :P but regardless it made me feel good.

[Admiral]

i do troll. i'm just not a douche about it :P but regardless it made me feel good.

What are the differences between us?

[Capitalier]

What are the differences between us?

she knows when to stop

[BruceCampbell]

My feelings that are if someone abuses Donation perks to the detriment of a fun game, I have absolutely no issue with D.R revoking said perks.

[Lysergic]

This part I agree with. I inform Disguisers as soon as they kill me that attempting to impersonate any form of moderation will get them booted and wish them GL afterwards. Posing as a mod when you are not and acting poorly gives us bad names and a bad image in the community. If I had my say on that particular issue it would be instant kickvote then perm ban for 2nd offense.

In regards to the original suggestion, I complete understand your argument. However, at least consider the idea of having a TEMPORARY removal of Donor powers for people on the kick-vote list.

It adds to the punishment (e.g. the kick-vote list becomes more than just a troll badge of honor), solves the original problem, doesn't punish Donors who only mess up once or twice (since it doesn't apply to the watch-list, only the kick-vote), and is only temporary (so it isn't a complete removal of their Donor status).

Food for thought. In any event, your suggestion about the -mods command is a good one.

[Apocist]

In regards to the original suggestion, I complete understand your argument. However, at least consider the idea of having a TEMPORARY removal of Donor powers for people on the kick-vote list.

It adds to the punishment (e.g. the kick-vote list becomes more than just a troll badge of honor), solves the original problem, doesn't punish Donors who only mess up once or twice (since it doesn't apply to the watch-list, only the kick-vote), and is only temporary (so it isn't a complete removal of their Donor status).

Food for thought. In any event, your suggestion about the -mods command is a good one.

This is exactly what I've been referring to and second this.

[Goonswarm]

This change has been implemented and can be seen live in game. Thanks to DR!

[Ambient]

The players in question have been dealt with.

[Raptorblaze]

Goonswarm your signature is traumatic to Bronies everywhere. Also Thanks DR!

[Goonswarm]

Goonswarm your signature is traumatic to adults who watch a stupid fucking cartoon about ponies and worship them.

Don't worry, I helped you explain yourself.

[Raptorblaze]

Just so we're clear, I am not one of them. I find it hilarious.

[Necroplant]

AMBIENT, HEAR MY WORDS!

I am now on banlist, and I feel terrible. I stopped using the donor code given to me after I dropped off kickvote list. When I found out I was on watchlist, I knew I was given another chance, and I've been playing good for the past while. I'm sorry, I really am sorry I abused the donor code. I'm actually appealing to be put back on the watchlist.

Ambient messaged me yesterday asking me about my version of events, and I was honest. But because I was a participant, banlist.

Please...this isn't right. How long am I on banlist for? Please take me off it.

[Ash]

This part I agree with. I inform Disguisers as soon as they kill me that attempting to impersonate any form of moderation will get them booted and wish them GL afterwards. Posing as a mod when you are not and acting poorly gives us bad names and a bad image in the community. If I had my say on that particular issue it would be instant kickvote then perm ban for 2nd offense.

i agree with ur points goonswarm but in this quote..
wouldnt posing as a mod be STRATEGY? Unless it's a threat of kicking then yes, but it would kind of give the disguiser away if your the only mod in there.

[Lysergic]

Thanks for fixing this issue, DR!