S-FM 218: Mafia Wars III

[BananaCucho]

Dino, stop it -- you're making your thread about shitposting into a legit shit post.

[Firebringer]

I mean, to be fair, most of the people from this game had played in a previous MW iteration before. In other words, I dunno if you don't need the "you will get wet" warning on a water slide.

I am so stupid, I need it

[Sino]

Why do you only noticed my posts when it's about the meme ?

[Calix]

I am so stupid, I need it

Preach.

[BananaCucho]

Why do you only noticed my posts when it's about the meme ?

I didn't got any posts wrong. You didn't read my post like a human being dear cause as I said you wanted to just point as something and call it an ignoral there

[BananaCucho]

Maybe some of us signed, you know, hoping MattZed will take criticism and adapt

I didn't rerun a failed mechanic from Koopolitics 3 times because I thought it was the players playing the game wrong. The feedback was that it was shit - I moved on

Others of us however just signed cause SJ begged a lot lol

[SuperJack]

Maybe some of us signed, you know, hoping MattZed will take criticism and adapt

I didn't rerun a failed mechanic from Koopalings 3 times because I thought it was the players playing the game wrong. The feedback was that it was shit - I moved on

Others of us however just signed cause SJ begged a lot lol

I did indeed persuade Banana to play. I enjoyed the quality time we had.

[DarknessB]

Others of us however just signed cause SJ begged a lot lol

Replace SJ with Unknown in my case, lol.

[SuperJack]

You were the good part of your archon, i was shocked.
I was getting so pissed off at superjack

=)

[BananaCucho]

=)

Pedit: fuck

[Calix]

Maybe some of us signed, you know, hoping MattZed will take criticism and adapt

A list of things which are more likely to happen:

- Firebringer saying something intelligent
- DarknessB going an entire day without complaining or/ and making heavy-handed attempts at trolling
- Yukitaka Oni writing an essay without using a single emoji
- Calix living past Night 1 in a game without a Doctor
- BananaCucho taking the game seriously
- PLZLEAVEDUCKK playing a game without insulting a single player
- Frozen Angel playing a game without her posts being turned into memes

[Firebringer]

Maybe some of us signed, you know, hoping MattZed will take criticism and adapt

I didn't rerun a failed mechanic from Koopolitics 3 times because I thought it was the players playing the game wrong. The feedback was that it was shit - I moved on

Others of us however just signed cause SJ begged a lot lol

This seems like a distant dream considering how many games hosted.
I have lost faith.

[Firebringer]

A list of things which are more likely to happen:

- Firebringer saying something intelligent
- DarknessB going an entire day without complaining or/ and making heavy-handed attempts at trolling
- Yukitaka Oni writing an essay without using a single emoji
- Calix living past Night 1 in a game without a Doctor
- BananaCucho taking the game seriously
- PLZLEAVEDUCKK playing a game without insulting a single player
- Frozen Angel playing a game without her posts being turned into memes

Have I ever told you, that you are my fire taker?

[BananaCucho]

I always take the games seriously

[Gyrlander]

A list of things which are more likely to happen:

- Firebringer saying something intelligent
- DarknessB going an entire day without complaining or/ and making heavy-handed attempts at trolling
- Yukitaka Oni writing an essay without using a single emoji
- Calix living past Night 1 in a game without a Doctor
- BananaCucho taking the game seriously
- PLZLEAVEDUCKK playing a game without insulting a single player
- Frozen Angel playing a game without her posts being turned into memes

You must mean equally to happen because there isn't a percentage under 0.

[Firebringer]

I always take the games seriously

Essentially she was saying it was very likely that Matt will change.
Didn't you read between the lines

[Calix]

You must mean equally to happen because there isn't a percentage under 0.

I have no idea what happened to Gyrloser but I like this Gyrlander person.

[RLVG]

GAIZ, WE DID IT, TOWN WON THE G-



Lol, what the fuck Firebringer.



This game was won by the Town fairly.
The scenario in which two kidnappers are unbalanced, is if we think that the Luciano never thought of using them, as well as them conviently getting a No Lynch and both jailing the same target who purposely initiates a circle to confirm ourselves.

Even without Firebringer gamethrowing, I would lead the Town into a victory lol, even if Yuki decided to kill me and Firebringer cleaned me - the two jailors + consig would just reveal themselves to confirm me and the clean was just plain useless anyway. I'm the most confirmed thing ever, so are the two jailors - the only one that wouldn't know anything is the Consig because they were not part of our secret discussion, and that hole would be plugged assuming that Whad took my message into establishing codes.

The entire outcome of this game would change if I wasn't double jailed, if there were two seperate jail targets then this might have been an obscured fact and only one jailor would be revealed while the other is incognito - slowing down strategy significantly.

RLVG, Elephant and YZB shared MvP lol.

Firebringer had absolutely no reason to troll himself into a loss, he assumed the game was unbalanced - but it wasn't that severely unbalanced, it's a very situational balance in a Mystery Setup, it was all pure luck which could have had the tide turned with good clean targets. Trudeau being cleaned is THE worst move they could've done that night and in fact the Rule Of Dumb would've lead Trudeau into being anti-town with benefit of Scum in the longterm.

The whole FA's emotional situation was also game altering, but of respect I won't discuss that part further.



Fun fact : I sendt in my revisioned LW and reveal, but because of database errors it got rollbacked and was never sendt.



Setup balance :
Make FBI immune to night kills for the first few nights (buff).
Make a person only be targeted by a single jailing (nerf), and it being prioritized by Luciano (buff).

[BananaCucho]

Also duck is perma'd

You can update that to "Duck playing a game" lol

[DarknessB]

A list of things which are more likely to happen:

- Firebringer saying something intelligent
- DarknessB going an entire day without complaining or/ and making heavy-handed attempts at trolling
- Yukitaka Oni writing an essay without using a single emoji
- Calix living past Night 1 in a game without a Doctor
- BananaCucho taking the game seriously
- PLZLEAVEDUCKK playing a game without insulting a single player
- Frozen Angel playing a game without her posts being turned into memes

You forgot:
- Sino devolving his name and being as popular as the legendary Dino.

[Sino]

You forgot:
- Sino devolving his name and being as popular as the legendary Dino.

So much salt

[DarknessB]

So much salt

I loved Dino -- he was the best friend I've never had.

[BananaCucho]

So much salt

Who are you and what the fuck did you do with Dino

[Gyrlander]

I loved Dino -- he was the best friend I've never had.

He is already gone?? It was like my beautiful rep & subname! The joy was so brief...

[Sino]

Who are you and what the fuck did you do with Dino

Hi

[DarknessB]

Hi

Dino not detected.

[Yukitaka Oni]

A list of things which are more likely to happen:

- Firebringer saying something intelligent
- DarknessB going an entire day without complaining or/ and making heavy-handed attempts at trolling
- Yukitaka Oni writing an essay without using a single emoji
- Calix living past Night 1 in a game without a Doctor
- BananaCucho taking the game seriously
- PLZLEAVEDUCKK playing a game without insulting a single player
- Frozen Angel playing a game without her posts being turned into memes

v)o.o)> how can i make that happen? This emoji is the only way to counter disguiser from disguise Yuki

[deathworlds]

Hi

as executive cuck I hereby deem you the lesser of dino.

god bless his soul

[RLVG]

v)o.o)> how can i make that happen? This emoji is the only way to counter disguiser from disguise Yuki

who the fukk disguise non-anno? <(o.0(^

[M-FM Badass]

He is already gone?? It was like my beautiful rep & subname! The joy was so brief...

Traitor, i'm the one you need in your life.

[BananaCucho]

v)o.o)> how can i make that happen? This emoji is the only way to counter disguiser from disguise Yuki

Lol I'm pretty sure its not the emoji that stops people from wanting to disguise as you

[Gyrlander]

Traitor, i'm the one you need in your life.

This infestor will haunt me until I die. JESUS

[M-FM Badass]

This infestor will haunt me until I die. JESUS

You can't get rid of your consciousness, Gyrlander

[Yukitaka Oni]

who the fukk disguise non-anno? <(o.0(^

I dude name lefthand tafkal hater used to killed and disguised me, but he was spotted by the great Pauly for not using emoji at Yukinii, that dude hate so much he swearing and salty even after the game
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[RLVG]

From what I've said in #2315 I more or less said why this was a fair game and that the fuckup was entirely on Firebringer.

I'm severely disappointed by Firebringer.

SEVERELY

[Yukitaka Oni]

Traitor, i'm the one you need in your life.

TRAITOR? Where?
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[Yukitaka Oni]

I dude name lefthand tafkal hater used to killed and disguised me, but he was spotted by the great Pauly for not using emoji at Yukinii, that dude hate so much he swearing and salty even after the game
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Lol I'm pretty sure its not the emoji that stops people from wanting to disguise as you

^^

[Firebringer]

Who are you and what the fuck did you do with Dino

I like dino so much better

[MattZed]

As I've said to some of you privately but I'll say publicly:

I'll say this game, with the setup I assigned it, has about a 60% chance of a town win, which is a bit high but by no means a guaranteed townstomp. I will concede that for balancing I put the kidnappers as being slightly-buffed citizens, which is probably normally true but made the game unfortunately swingy, and it swung in Town's favor with the HUGE luck of both kidnappers kidnapping the Godfather.

At the end of the day, is this a bit more townsided than it should be? Yes, and I apologize for not delivering a more balanced experience. However, this game's particular outcome was especially influenced by luck and the town simply playing much better than the scum.

I invite you all to leave comments on how to improve the setup. The point of Mafia Wars is iterative balance; learning from past games and making future setups better to the point where it becomes super-stable. I've already made some changes to nerf town, and I would like to hear more suggestions as well.

The game was prematurely ruined, and that will be dealt with. The game was down to 6v1v1, and the Underboss had just found out a Janitor when there was a confirmed Luciano Janitor. If you guys had actually followed through on that mislynch, the day after could have been 3v1v1. Town had a big advantage in that the town so happened to all townread itself and would probably have own, but it wasn't over. (the logic "oh, Lucianos would never pick kidnapper, which is currently our most powerful role, so they must be town" never ceases to amaze me)

[Firebringer]

From what I've said in #2315 I more or less said why this was a fair game and that the fuckup was entirely on Firebringer.

I'm severely disappointed by Firebringer.

SEVERELY

i have bad a name for myself

[Yukitaka Oni]

As I've said to some of you privately but I'll say publicly:

I'll say this game, with the setup I assigned it, has about a 60% chance of a town win, which is a bit high but by no means a guaranteed townstomp. I will concede that for balancing I put the kidnappers as being slightly-buffed citizens, which is probably normally true but made the game unfortunately swingy, and it swung in Town's favor with the HUGE luck of both kidnappers kidnapping the Godfather.

At the end of the day, is this a bit more townsided than it should be? Yes, and I apologize for not delivering a more balanced experience. However, this game's particular outcome was especially influenced by luck and the town simply playing much better than the scum.

I invite you all to leave comments on how to improve the setup. The point of Mafia Wars is iterative balance; learning from past games and making future setups better to the point where it becomes super-stable. I've already made some changes to nerf town, and I would like to hear more suggestions as well.

The game was prematurely ruined, and that will be dealt with. The game was down to 6v1v1, and the Underboss had just found out a Janitor when there was a confirmed Luciano Janitor. If you guys had actually followed through on that mislynch, the day after could have been 3v1v1. Town had a big advantage in that the town so happened to all townread itself and would probably have own, but it wasn't over. (the logic "oh, Lucianos would never pick kidnapper, which is currently our most powerful role, so they must be town" never ceases to amaze me)

Eh....<----fire told me to pick janitor, while i like interrogator but.....seem legit tho

[Calix]

As I've said to some of you privately but I'll say publicly:

I'll say this game, with the setup I assigned it, has about a 60% chance of a town win, which is a bit high but by no means a guaranteed townstomp. I will concede that for balancing I put the kidnappers as being slightly-buffed citizens, which is probably normally true but made the game unfortunately swingy, and it swung in Town's favor with the HUGE luck of both kidnappers kidnapping the Godfather.

At the end of the day, is this a bit more townsided than it should be? Yes, and I apologize for not delivering a more balanced experience. However, this game's particular outcome was especially influenced by luck and the town simply playing much better than the scum.

I invite you all to leave comments on how to improve the setup. The point of Mafia Wars is iterative balance; learning from past games and making future setups better to the point where it becomes super-stable. I've already made some changes to nerf town, and I would like to hear more suggestions as well.

The game was prematurely ruined, and that will be dealt with. The game was down to 6v1v1, and the Underboss had just found out a Janitor when there was a confirmed Luciano Janitor. If you guys had actually followed through on that mislynch, the day after could have been 3v1v1. Town had a big advantage in that the town so happened to all townread itself and would probably have own, but it wasn't over. (the logic "oh, Lucianos would never pick kidnapper, which is currently our most powerful role, so they must be town" never ceases to amaze me)

I am really curious as to how you concluded 60% given the setup.

[Firebringer]

I am really curious as to how you concluded 60% given the setup.

Same

[BananaCucho]

How the hell do you come up with that 60% number

You can't just make up a number like that. Where's your algorithm that runs this game over and over and spits out that result?

[BananaCucho]

Fuck me and my many words

[Gyrlander]

To provide a reliable percentage he would have to run the setup a million times.

[Firebringer]

How the hell do you come up with that 60% number

You can't just make up a number like that. Where's your algorithm that runs this game over and over and spits out that result?

Same one that said Illuminati was balanced probably.

[Yukitaka Oni]

I'll say let removed eh....consligere. What do you think MattZed?

[Calix]

Super-stable? This game is inherently going to be unbalanced.

You have scum being able to pick their powers - no way can this be accounted for balance-wise.

Luciano has the advantage because they can tailor their roles to the strategies that they, as players, will take towards the chat.

FBI is weaker because they can't actively choose which abilities they will end up with and thus can't plan ahead as well.

This should be taken into account.

[Gyrlander]

Well, any jokes aside, I think this setup is a good one. Balances problems are not that massively important IMO. Every setup can be improved after every run and this is not the exception.