S-FM 211 : Three Foes and a Stranger

[Unknown1234]

You over-reacted to NU and I agreed with the point where SP said that NU didn't state a scum-read on you but you acted like he did.

I didn't read your wall-post so if there's a counter to this you're going to have to fish it out for me. The length itself tells me that you care way too much about defending yourself.

To summarize, this doesn't feel exclusive to my scum play so I don't understand why it's being treated in such a way.

[Snorlax]

To summarize, this doesn't feel exclusive to my scum play so I don't understand why it's being treated in such a way.

You needed ten paragraphs to say that?

That's not even saying how you're town, that's just saying why it's NAI.

[Unknown1234]

You needed ten paragraphs to say that?

That's not even saying how you're town, that's just saying why it's NAI.

The summary was based on the comment you asked me about, not the entire ten paragraphs.

On that note, defensive Unknown = scum!known??

:sheep :sheep

[Snorlax]

Fuck it, I'll just read.

I can do with something to put me to sleep.

[Quick]

Quick, you still haven't answered why you town-read Drizzt because he "doesn't want to mess up" with lynches but didn't town-read Stereo using this reasoning.

Please explain this discrepancy.

I already explained this twice! Its because he is consistent in his demeanor.

[Snorlax]

2.) is not a scum-tell, and I will gladly say this right now. Everyone does it, and the only reason I brought it up is because NU triggers me with this word.

The opinion itself is what I said. "Insecure town or scum trying to improve" if I haven't heard enough from Eggy to make a conclusion then that is that.

I can understand my reactions with others are limited, but to say I rarely interact is not at all true. When I'm around i talk to whoever is there, or if someone directs comments to me.

To comment on me mostly talking to NU, in this particular time I am usually messaging inbetween classes, so if somebody directs things at me I will have that take priority with my limited time. I can add on that other parts of the day are usually more flexible, but Monday's are my more busy day so I can see why I have not actively participated.

Why I haven't voted. I don't know why I need to explain it as it is not necessary right now, but because I haven't been around enough to be able to push someone. I've done this before, and I know I've said this before, so sometimes I do not have enough time to place my vote and follow through with it. It's a pressure vote so I feel that I should be pressuring with it. Otherwise, no.

This is where I lose you. I will admit that I change words in phrases, whether he specifically said I was scum, or something very similar, I might not use the same wording. Shady is an example of that too where he doesn't specifically use shady but he has other word choices that are relatable to it.

If I think it was an attack, then I will say that. One of you, I don't care which, made an early leap on me based off of something I have argued isn't the scum like thing to do. Why does that bother me? Because it seems too oppourtunistic and is a really poorly justified accusation on me.

I mean, I realize you spent an entire paragraph telling me how I throw shade, but you honestly don't need to call me trash.

So, I will say that my wording is not always perfect, and I have been lynched before as town by saying this. Arguably, I don't make this many "errors" when I am scum and I'm almost never accurately read as scum when I am. Whether this is your level of me "slipping" if I was scum I am a lot more careful with my wording then I am when I'm town. Why? Because I don't care.

I am sorry I just keep rambling on, but calling me self-concerned and saying its a scum thing is wrong. Anyone following that logic has hit their head too many times because that doesn't classify me as scum. I am self-concerned as town all the time, which relates to right now.

tl;dr:

Throwing shade is not AI.

I talk to people who are not NU. I talk mostly to NU because of school.

I'm not voting because I can't follow up with any pressure on the person.

Something about semantics and word choices, not even sure what Unknown's argument is here.

An early accusation made against me is opportunistic because I said it isn't something scum would do.

I suck at reading comprehension and don't realise that SP uses 'trash' to mean 'scum'

I am self-aware of my scum meta which makes any comments on my scum meta useless WIFOM. I will use self-aware scum meta to say why I am not scum this game.

I wrote a ridiculous amount to defend myself and the defense wasn't even that good, yet calling me 'self-concerned' is wrong even though I just proved SL's point.

[Snorlax]

I already explained this twice! Its because he is consistent in his demeanor.

I don't see how Stereo has been inconsistent.

In any case, go and do something else as I don't want to talk with you right now.

[Quick]

Why?

Post 1 is the original statement. I really liked SL's point there. yuki doesn't do themselves any favors by going super weird on us in the next 2 posts. She states people went crazy accusing each other without thinking, which is a good point, but it seems to come out of no where ie. I don't seem where Yuki is coming up with this line from who knows where. Then says "this isn't a dictatorship and people are different" which is true, but again, not seeing how it lines up with what else is going on itt.

In short, its something Scum would be more aware of because Scum tend to think more strategically than tactically as town usually does. It looks like she is trying to get some easy passive townie points.

[Mesk514]

Unknown is aware that he IS shady.


Yours Truly,
secondpassing

Bravo SecondPassing, way to point out the obvious.

[Quick]

I don't see how Stereo has been inconsistent.

In any case, go and do something else as I don't want to talk with you right now.

I wasn't talking about stereo.

Spoiler : How I feel the conversation is going with Calix :

[Stereo]

Will be delayed in generating response by some hours. However, after this set back it won't happen again.

[Drizzt]

I don't remember seeing if you answered this already, but why did you claim Citizen right after someone thought your first post was off, and that person conveniently is the person who accused you originally?

I'll reread the posts but my reaction was in response to, and I may have been mistaken, someone stating I haven't claimed a role. That gave me the impression I was behind the 8-ball so to speak.

[Drizzt]

Last post for me before I turn in.

The points brought against Drizzt are very strong, and I feel the same. However, instead of lynching him, if its available to us we should definitely have someone investigate him. He's either scum as you say, or feigning ignorance so the Mafia ignores him. If he's Citizen, I don't see a reason for him to just come out and say it now. If this behavior of his continues into the next day(and there's nothing that clears him), I will have to put my vote on him on Day 2.

Now that I think about it, the worst possible situation for him is to get any of the neutral roles. It is possible Drizzt is the neutral wanting to remain inconspicuous. He is isolated, has no team, and is fair game for everyone.

Quick isn't putting me off, but he's not putting me on. He's a step above Gyrlander for me, who I feel has not contributed anything of substance as of this moment. There's just nothing to read from him. Quick has at least been giving us discussion.

This is what prompted my citz reveal. He asked why I didnt come out and reveal myself as citz, so I assumed that was the norm. You know what they say about making assumptions .

[Yukitaka Oni]

Bravo SecondPassing, way to point out the obvious.

At least now I know that is secondpassing smurf account

[Yukitaka Oni]

Just noting this, but why haven't you answered this?

About wut?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Literally I laugh at you.

1. RLVG randomises the player list to roles.

2. What the fuck does experience have to do with scum team possibilities?

3. Almost nobody in this game is experienced.

4. According to number 3. I will die tonight if you're right

[Drizzt]

Statistically speaking, it usually does not end well for us.

hmm, he's new. Prompted me to reveal my role, which as a new person he would, but this statement gives me the impression he has a deep well of experience to make a statistical inference. Only on page 2 of my re-read, but the wife is calling and I thought I'd weigh in.

[Drizzt]

Obviously if a TPR has a damning night result, then we should use that. I am saying that we should not sit around and wait for one to happen, but if you agree on that point then I am satisfied.

(although if a Sheriff finds a Mafia on Night 1, they shouldn't reveal it first thing on Day 2. Trying to get the mafia lynched without revealing > revealing straight away because that yields more information about who defends the mafia. It also means the mafia are less likely to catch onto the person being Sheriff and thus cannot counter the Sheriff with their Framer/ Consort/ whatever as easily)

Site is slow activity-wise. School has just started and a lot of the players here are low-posters. (which is why you have to work to analyse what they do post) I am most likely going to be the most active player in the game.

One problem there - saying you only vote for pressure nullifies the pressure that you can apply with your vote ;p

Snorlax has taken the aura of authority rather quickly. It could be that he is in trying to get something going. Or he might be trying to act as a concerned townie who is just trying to get down to business.

[SecondLynch]

Good luck lynch him. To me, he's nothing more than Jester to me

A) You outright assume that he is neutral -- not even weighting in the possibility that he could be scum. This is scummy af, because the only way you would know that he isn't scum is if you are scum yourself.

B) You said that you 50/50 trusted his claim, that he was either Godfather or Citizen. Now you claim that he's jester? Contradiction.

C) Why would you not want to lynch someone you "neutral-read"? Why do you assume that this neutral-read is jester? He's done nothing purposefully scummy for you to think this way.

Secondly, your argument is "NU is pushing me based on minor points" - did you forget the entirety of BFN? lol

zzz

If you're Shitizen then go ahead. I won't stop you, but if jester killed a TPR. Then it's your own problem. I don't jump on any lynch train right now. Especially when there are 2 ghost who doesn't show up yet

Why is it her problem? If you are town, it is your problem too.

Also, given your claim, you should be saying the opposite...

[Drizzt]

Technically.

I'll amend my question. Do you have an opinion on anything relevant to the game?

You are allowed to be wrong.

Here Snorlax is clearly demanding only relevant information, which gives me the impression of scum, he then proceeds to steer and goat Gyrlander by saying he's allowed to be wrong. The first is what I would consider a "go to line of reasoning" someone would use when they are scum, and the second is an obvious truism. He he is allowed to be wrong, so why bother making that statement?

[Yukitaka Oni]

A) You outright assume that he is neutral -- not even weighting in the possibility that he could be scum. This is scummy af, because the only way you would know that he isn't scum is if you are scum yourself.

B) You said that you 50/50 trusted his claim, that he was either Godfather or Citizen. Now you claim that he's jester? Contradiction.

C) Why would you not want to lynch someone you "neutral-read"? Why do you assume that this neutral-read is jester? He's done nothing purposefully scummy for you to think this way.



zzz



Why is it her problem? If you are town, it is your problem too.

Also, given your claim, you should be saying the opposite...

Have you see any game that I made any logic before? (Secondpassing or whoever you are)

[Yukitaka Oni]

Here Snorlax is clearly demanding only relevant information, which gives me the impression of scum, he then proceeds to steer and goat Gyrlander by saying he's allowed to be wrong. The first is what I would consider a "go to line of reasoning" someone would use when they are scum, and the second is an obvious truism. He he is allowed to be wrong, so why bother making that statement?

Snox try to be a town leader. Lol (I doubt he can win Calix)

[Yukitaka Oni]

Have you see any game that I made any logic before? (Secondpassing or whoever you are)

Yuki is my name
Never make sense is my style

[Yukitaka Oni]

Btw secondlynch will be Fur Ro Dah from now on lol

[Snorlax]

Snox try to be a town leader. Lol (I doubt he can win Calix)

You don't seem to realise that I AM Calix, lmao.

Re: Drizzt, 'relevant information' means "a post where he is actually contributing" instead of a post where he shit-posts. (something he is known for doing)

And 'you are allowed to be wrong' is an attempt to get him to say something relevant to the game on the off chance that the reason he was being indecisive and uncertain is because he doesn't want to be wrong with his reads, zzz.

I just woke up and I'm probably going straight to bed.

[Yukitaka Oni]

You don't seem to realise that I AM Calix, lmao.

Re: Drizzt, 'relevant information' means "a post where he is actually contributing" instead of a post where he shit-posts. (something he is known for doing)

And 'you are allowed to be wrong' is an attempt to get him to say something relevant to the game on the off chance that the reason he was being indecisive and uncertain is because he doesn't want to be wrong with his reads, zzz.

I just woke up and I'm probably going straight to bed.

Who.....who are you guy??!?!?
What the.....fuck is going on?!?!?
How many smurf in this game?!?!?!?
What the........hell?!?!?

[Drizzt]

You don't seem to realise that I AM Calix, lmao.

Re: Drizzt, 'relevant information' means "a post where he is actually contributing" instead of a post where he shit-posts. (something he is known for doing)

And 'you are allowed to be wrong' is an attempt to get him to say something relevant to the game on the off chance that the reason he was being indecisive and uncertain is because he doesn't want to be wrong with his reads, zzz.

I just woke up and I'm probably going straight to bed.

Now you're behaving like a Snorlax, is that in reaction to my prodding, are do you know longer wish to give off the aura of command/Dori do you know longer wish to give off the aura of command/authority.

[Drizzt]

Gosh darn you Siri, you're voice text sucks

[Yukitaka Oni]

Ok so except Stereo. Is there anyone else here is a newbie ^)x.o)> v(o.o(v ?!?!?
Or you're a bunch of smurf?

[Snorlax]

It's because it's 11.30pm and want to go to sleep, that's what.

You try leading town when you keep dropping off every so often. It does not work well.

Goodnight and all.

[SecondLynch]

This is the first time Stereo play original Mafia game. Which is rather focus on scum read more than role claim and night action confirmation like Starcraft Mafia. So basically Stereo doesn't know what to do in the day chat. So what is he doing right now is to avoid (heat) conversation. Fine by me

He doesn't know what to do in the day chat? Did you just TMI the scumteam?

God damn it. The main reason for the game is to encourage player to conversation. Not to playing mute....just calm down and let's talk slowly. You don't have to be panic like that. Now let's start talking different subject:

Who do you think is scum?

- Who do you think is town? And why?

How about you do this yourself? Who do you think is scum and town?

Spoiler : Wait, Calix... :

Here are a list of things you can do instead:


1. Answer this post because it would help us read you better.


2. Explain your thoughts on the players (plural!) that stand out to you. Say which alignment you think is the most likely for them.


You are allowed to be wrong.


3. Find some suspicious posts from other players and explain why you think Mafia/ Neutral might say them.


You're welcome.

You forgot

4. Go jerk off in the corner over your uselessness.

[Yukitaka Oni]

He doesn't know what to do in the day chat? Did you just TMI the scumteam?





How about you do this yourself? Who do you think is scum and town?

Spoiler : Wait, Calix... :

You forgot

4. Go jerk off in the corner over your uselessness.

Stereo is (Night Of The Dead) mod. Basically he's not from this game. Get it? (You god damn Smurf)

[Yukitaka Oni]

Stereo is (Night Of The Dead) mod. Basically he's not from this game. Get it? (You god damn Smurf)

And I can't read any shitty thing right now because you guy basically a smurf disguise newbie so to me right now. You all bunch of smurf are a scum in my eye for being a fking Smurf v)x.o)^!

[Yukitaka Oni]

And I can't read any shitty thing right now because you guy basically a smurf disguise newbie so to me right now. You all bunch of smurf are a scum in my eye for being a fking Smurf v)x.o)^!

Ya all mofo ruined my plan AGAIN! Yeah, have fun disguise yourself as a smurf ^)x.o)^!!!!

[deathworlds]

Don't get me wrong, I definitely jumped on Drizzt extremely aggressively and I'm reading him based on one post and nothing else.

However it's just my new scum-hunting strategy. Multi-quote wall-posts with weak points weren't helping me lynch scum successfully on a regular basis so I am doing it this way where I just focus on a post or two and make some solid points.

It also means less multi-quote wars.

Reminds me of S-FM Wrath of Lady Death, makes you think that my strategy works, eh?

I just don't see the point in continuing to debate about the non-existence of evidence being put forth as the foundation for any reasonable conclusion. It's like asking me to talk about why I'm not talking about why I have nothing to talk about.

Obviously I can't change my mind on anything... Last game I played here was Overwatch. In that very game you convinced me that defensiveness is not a Scum tell at all. Are you backing away from that?

Meta is only an addition to a read, not the whole kit and kaboodle. This is just one example where your read on me is really pretty superficial and misses the mark in a big way. That is why I am Scum reading you - because I don't think you can be this off normally.

Literally I laugh at you.

1. RLVG randomises the player list to roles.

2. What the fuck does experience have to do with scum team possibilities?

3. Almost nobody in this game is experienced.

Host meta is retarded. Don't waste my time with nonsense.

The fact that RLVG "randomizes" his setups in itself is Host Meta. However it is his duty as a host to make sure that the game is still somewhat balanced, more on this later.

Snorlax has taken the aura of authority rather quickly. It could be that he is in trying to get something going. Or he might be trying to act as a concerned townie who is just trying to get down to business.

This is normal Calix Meta.

Here Snorlax is clearly demanding only relevant information, which gives me the impression of scum, he then proceeds to steer and goat Gyrlander by saying he's allowed to be wrong. The first is what I would consider a "go to line of reasoning" someone would use when they are scum, and the second is an obvious truism. He he is allowed to be wrong, so why bother making that statement?

All information is relevant information, every post, shitpost or not can be analyzed and dissected apart to search for information and underlying motives behind making said post. If you are only claiming for "relevant information" then you are either A. not looking hard enough, or B. Looking specifically for roles and alignment.

[SecondLynch]

A) You outright assume that he is neutral -- not even weighting in the possibility that he could be scum. This is scummy af, because the only way you would know that he isn't scum is if you are scum yourself.

B) You said that you 50/50 trusted his claim, that he was either Godfather or Citizen. Now you claim that he's jester? Contradiction.

C) Why would you not want to lynch someone you "neutral-read"? Why do you assume that this neutral-read is jester? He's done nothing purposefully scummy for you to think this way.



zzz



Why is it her problem? If you are town, it is your problem too.

Also, given your claim, you should be saying the opposite...

He doesn't know what to do in the day chat? Did you just TMI the scumteam?





How about you do this yourself? Who do you think is scum and town?

Spoiler : Wait, Calix... :

You forgot

4. Go jerk off in the corner over your uselessness.

-vote Yukitaka Oni

[deathworlds]

ah shit I coulda swore I typed a response for the 2nd and 3rd quotes

[deathworlds]

I just don't see the point in continuing to debate about the non-existence of evidence being put forth as the foundation for any reasonable conclusion. It's like asking me to talk about why I'm not talking about why I have nothing to talk about.

The entire premise of Forum Mafia is to lynch without solid evidence, because none exists.

Obviously I can't change my mind on anything... Last game I played here was Overwatch. In that very game you convinced me that defensiveness is not a Scum tell at all. Are you backing away from that?

Meta is only an addition to a read, not the whole kit and kaboodle. This is just one example where your read on me is really pretty superficial and misses the mark in a big way. That is why I am Scum reading you - because I don't think you can be this off normally.

People tend to change and adapt to their conditions, Meta changes overtime.

[deathworlds]

Going to finish up my setup speculation in a bit.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Guess I only can trust non smurf :V in this game

[Yukitaka Oni]

Well in the meantime. Gotta prep for another plan....too bad town can't spare Drizzt because everyone afraid of godfather....fine by me. Now I just need to wait for 2 ghost player and see what they going to do...

[Yukitaka Oni]

Nevermind. Could be a smurf

[Yukitaka Oni]

Will be delayed in generating response by some hours. However, after this set back it won't happen again.

Btw, you write NOTD 2 story or Kirthixx? (Side question)

[Yukitaka Oni]

To defend Drizzt, they jump on someone else instead. Scum is pretty good.

[Drizzt]

I'm going to try and continue this line of dissociative thinking and -vote Snorlax

[Yukitaka Oni]

I'm going to try and continue this line of dissociative thinking and -vote Snorlax

Eh....you don't know how to vote?

[Drizzt]

Eh....you don't know how to vote?

lol, nope!

[Yukitaka Oni]

lol, nope!

v)x.o)> v(o.o(v look at my reply

-vote Char Char

[Yukitaka Oni]

v)x.o)> v(o.o(v look at my reply

-vote Char Char

And here is to unvote

-unvote

[Yukitaka Oni]

Although I wouldn't recommend voting (Calix disguise) tho