S-FM 209: Surreptitious: The Game of Spies

[JealousTL]

He was nightkilled not lynched so it makes sense seeing as he like you said was one of the more townread people of that group. I don think it tells us how many scum are in that group at all, because Im pretty sure scum were only able to chose a nightkill out of someone in G3 so does not mean there are any more scum in G3 than G2 or G1

You're right, the rule wasn't exactly clear (in the setup thread it said "Mafia can only lynch from G3" instead of "kill" [a mistake I also made in that same quote]), but Quick did clarify it to be clear before N1. Thanks.

[Quick]

You're right, the rule wasn't exactly clear (in the setup thread it said "Mafia can only lynch from G3" instead of "kill" [a mistake I also made in that same quote]), but Quick did clarify it to be clear before N1. Thanks.

I am apparently making blunders all over the place.. Yes, Mafia do not have a special lynch mechanic in their votes, that would not be what the hidden mechanics are. Mafia can only NK from the group that was chosen the previous day. As such, if no group is chosen, then Mafia can NK anyone from any group and as soon as the timer is up for DP:I the day is over if a majority isn't chosen.

[JealousTL]

I am apparently making blunders all over the place.. Yes, Mafia do not have a special lynch mechanic in their votes, that would not be what the hidden mechanics are. Mafia can only NK from the group that was chosen the previous day. As such, if no group is chosen, then Mafia can NK anyone from any group and as soon as the timer is up for DP:I the day is over if a majority isn't chosen.

Oh shit.

[Eggy]

Why you reveal my plan v)o.o)>?!?!? I hate you ^(o.o(^!

Thoughts on this? does this seem sincere?

[Eggy]

I am apparently making blunders all over the place.. Yes, Mafia do not have a special lynch mechanic in their votes, that would not be what the hidden mechanics are. Mafia can only NK from the group that was chosen the previous day. As such, if no group is chosen, then Mafia can NK anyone from any group and as soon as the timer is up for DP:I the day is over if a majority isn't chosen.

I understood everything if it means anything to you ahah

[Eggy]

?????????????????

Yea wtf is PLZ talking about?? is he saying he doesnt know he own role/alignment? seems very strange either a mix up or a downright lie.

[Eggy]

And RLVG no last will, lol?

Guess he didnt think he was going to die. I've never written a last will in my life lol.

[Eggy]

he left no last will.

Last wills must be in your QuickTopic.

Does everyone have a quicktopic? ive never seen one before this game?

[Yukitaka Oni]

Guess he didnt think he was going to die. I've never written a last will in my life lol.

Well time to write it down boyzzzz v(o.o(<

[Eggy]

So the thing is I just drank 2 red bulls preparing for me to flip mafia today. I originally thought I was town based on the odds and the mafia were randomly organized. Then based on several people's posts I realized my mechanic makes sense If I am put in the 2 scum group. If its me, a mafia, and a traitor three of us five in the group show up as mafia. If I am miss lynched we do not lose the game unless its two regular mafia in the group. 2 mafia in group 2 is the only way I can see my mechanic making sense in the game. If you believe in two mafia in a different group then you should be going against me today as it would have to mean you do not believe me unless you have another crazy theory (no superjack no, cute for trying, but no.)

Sorry for taking Yuki's question, very bad habit I have.

Towards EOD I was starting to get the feeling I might actually be mafia. The way Never Unlucky was interacting with me the whole game and when I pinged out his posts where he phrased it "is THE traitor" instead of "is A traitor" made me think that he was my teammate. I tried to ISO Kovath in order to get people to kill him, but I actually flipped my read on him, and not being sure of my alignment felt it was not a correct lynch to pass. If anyone knows me from previous games, you would know that I go extremely rage mode over the thought of a day one no lynch, however because I strongly was against lynching the other 4 players for reasons mentioned, I felt that following a NU lynch would be potentially lynching my own teammate.

Now that I KNOW I am town I wonder if Never Unlucky is still mafia, and looking for a traitor that is likely in group 2. If you were all in my pov we would lynch never unlucky today, 4 people would split groups, giving us more lynches. Then we would just go to lynch town on group 2. Jealous/calix/secondpassing are all extremely town this game and superjack had some weird theory that tried to justify my claim. It makes me think superjack is the real mafia in teh group and thought I was the traitor. This means that superjack would be mafia, and one between calix/secondpassing/jealous, which I would have no room where to begin with.

Now I realize we are not living in Duck's POV, and I came prepared to battle as mafia. I am not sure I want to deal with arguing a bunch of TvT's and some TvS's and waste a day on my miss lynch that results in town gaining no information. If town is planning on spending a large portion of today focusing on me I would ask that we just agree that I am the lynch early on and just ignore what my alignment could or could not be. I will accept being the lynch today, but I want to be able to use today to fix my read list so that town can go on to win the game. The mechanic is beyond retarded, and the only way I will be able to convince some of you that it is real is by my flip. In all of my FM games I HAVE PERFECT TOWN CIRCLES. Absolutely perfect town circles from day 2 onwards, (only non town to ever be in my town circle from mid-end of day2 onwards is Mattzed qt.314).

I feel I am close to solving this game, but I need more time to reevaluate on group 2 because I am wrong on probably one of them, and group 1 has been useless ( the no posting in particular). Also, before we get the "duck is saying to lynch him, so we don't lynch him", think what you want, but the only thing I hate more than being lynched is people not listening, and losing.

Also when I started typing I saw kovath so hope hes still here @Kovath hi.

I dont understand what you are talking about for the most part. Why on earth do you expect that you are the traitor? if you are the traitor is it not in your best interest for mafia to win? why would you be actively going against your win condition? and lastly doesnt know one know who the traitor is including the mafia and the traitor themself? doesnt that mean there is no way anyone could possibly know they are the traitor until they find out from all the scum being killed?

[Eggy]

Yes they should, are you now mattzed (ironic given your smurf name)

Also what do we think of the night kill?

RLVG SHOULD have been protected, making it a risky kill.

Was he killed because he was heavily town read, because he suspected me of scum, or to frame me.

Ill think of something to answer this once I know what went on D1(after I finish catching up) I know this question was directed to unknown but I find what your saying in general particularly interesting.

[Eggy]

This. Red or green check should be outed today. Although if they have a green check, maybe they want to hold off if they are in a scummy position that wont be night killed because the fact RLVG died should indicate there was no bodyguard in the game.

I also want to say dont be a donkey and just flat out claim, wait for interactions or you are wasting information potential.

very possible the bodyguard missed used his block. or that he didnt even use his/her night action. I did tht once in insanity lol

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I won't be posting for awhile so that I am able to read people off their interactions with others rather than with me given the obvious bias that will be forced with this set up.

I want to note real quick that eggy is likely town. The fact is he commenting on recent events without ANY knowledge of what happened on day 1 would be beyond idiotic for a mafia to do. Possible? Yes. Probable? No. Always time to see though. Looks like a town trying to get a grasp of what the fuck is going on. Anyways tootles. If anyone has anything really important they want me to answer or if I feel the need to chime in I will be around as always ~.

[Quick]

Does everyone have a quicktopic? ive never seen one before this game?

Yes, EVERYONE has a QuickTopic that is playing this game and I need further questions about those types of things in the QuickTopic I linked to you.

[Eggy]

In ¶1 you are saying that you think there must be you, and two scum in group 1. Meaning you are not scum, and there are two scum. Why do you show up as scum along with them?? If you are mislynched, and there are 2 regular mafia in the group, this would go back to the idea that town can lose from 1 mislynch - something we've decided can't be possible, or at least shouldn't have been approved.

I think the only theory that makes sense is that there are 4 mafia - 1 of them is a traitor. Traitor doesn't know that they are mafia until the other mafia in their group gets lynched, because as the setup thread says, traitor does not count as mafia until the mafia in his group dies. That is the only way that a D1 mislynch loss is impossible. Which also means that either you do not factor at all into there being 2 scum in the group, meaning your hypothesis that you are somehow showing up as the third scum in a group with a scum, a traitor, and you is faulty.

Then you continue to say that you find myself, Calix, and secondpassing to be extremely town while claiming that you too are town, (and saying "Fuck," despite it being in line with your "prediction" and statistical analysis at the start of D1). If so, then who are the two scum? SuperJack, and ??? Or, are you claiming that Traitor doesn't know that he is a Traitor?

This is all very messy and I will try to clean up my thoughts on it in a minute.

This is very good. town read on Jealous maybe someone else said it before but this makes so much sense to me. Only 3 scum and one traitor one in each group, only way that seems balanced

[Eggy]

Yes, EVERYONE has a QuickTopic that is playing this game and I need further questions about those types of things in the QuickTopic I linked to you.

Okay sorry sounds good will do from now on

[Eggy]

"Traitor doesn't know who the other mafia are** until the other mafia in their group gets lynched, because as the setup thread says, traitor does not count as mafia until the mafia in his group dies. "

Important correction:

oops thought it was all 3 who had to die. That makes more sense though, thanks for clearing that up.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Well eggy just got confirmed as town :P lol

[JealousTL]

What does reverse check mean? What does it have to do with you being miller?

@DUCK, please.

[Titus]

-vote Group 3

After a quick review of the evidence, Never Unlucky is scum.

I do apologize but I am indeed taking round 1 of this challenge.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

@DUCK, please.

If I am checked at night I will show up as mafia. Had I been mafia I would have shown up as town.

[Klingoncelt]

What if I told you my neighbor is the greatest Olympian of all time? Things getting pretty srs up in here.

It's possible that the greatest Olympian of all time lives next to you.

Everybody's gotta be somewhere.

[JealousTL]

If I am checked at night I will show up as mafia. Had I been mafia I would have shown up as town.

... Why? I don't see that anywhere in the setup.

[Titus]

... Why? I don't see that anywhere in the setup.

Hidden mechanic.

Trust me today and lynch Never Unlucky. Dude is scum.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

It's possible that the greatest Olympian of all time lives next to you.

Everybody's gotta be somewhere.

#muurland
@Titus you visited somewhere on the east coast recently right? soft shelled crabs or crabcakes?

[Klingoncelt]

"Fuck" was in relation to seeing a role I was not prepared to play today and getting all caffeine loaded for no good reason other than I wont be able to sleep.

I was posing several theories, but the one I stated I believe HAS to be the world is 2 scum(1 is traitor), me, and two other towns in group 2. (I show up as scum with them because I know I am town now, so a reverse check would show red.) The reason this makes sense to me is that if I am lynched, the game does not end because they have a traitor in the group. The reason I fit into the group is a sheriff cant just check the group and have a 40% chance of getting a mafia and then being bodyguarded and town steam rolling. This way 60% of the time the sheriff gets a hit, but 1/3 time its a town. Quick did not just want us to click our role and to win, which is why I would imagine he added this wacky mechanic that he got from god knows what fucking site.

I mentioned the question of a second scum in your quote. I don't know who I am wrong on. I have the entire day to figure that out, so it's okay.

ermahgawd, let's just vote Group 2, lynch Duck, and get on with the game, please?

-vote Group 2

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[Klingoncelt]

I claimed "miller" a long time ago lol.

There's no Miller in the setup.

[Titus]

#muurland
@Titus you visited somewhere on the east coast recently right? soft shelled crabs or crabcakes?

I don't really eat seafood but there's good money in operating a lighthouse to show the fishermen where to throw nets.

[Titus]

Klingon, I am calling the sheep time. NU dies today. Not a policy lynch.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

-vote group 3

[Yukitaka Oni]

Guy, guy, guy
Why the fk are you guy wprry about traitor? Traitor didn't even know their mafia scum teammate, so basically the traitor is like a scumbag role right now. Even not on the town side, but not on the mafia side. The traitor will have no choice but to lynch blindly, sheeping vote. Why not focus on mafia instead? We didn't even kill one of them yet? The traitor can't even join mafia if we didn't even narrow down one mafia!

[secondpassing]

Uh. My brain is tired.
Just gonna say I want Never Unlucky lynched like yesterday.

[Titus]

So sleepy will case NU tomorrow but he is da lynch.

[secondpassing]

I'm liking DUCKK let's not lynch him. I could go for a SuperJack lynch too. Prefer Group 3 for NU though.

[Titus]

Uh. My brain is tired.
Just gonna say I want Never Unlucky lynched like yesterday.

Can you vote Group 3 and case him? You have like 3 sheeps. Me Duck and prolly Klingon.

[secondpassing]

Klingoncelt, we know you don't write wall posts, but do you also refuse to read them?

[secondpassing]

Can you vote Group 3 and case him? You have like 3 sheeps. Me Duck and prolly Klingon.

I've already cased him yesterday. I wanna go to sleep.

[secondpassing]

JealousTL I do not understand why you ask them same question like 2/3 times. The answer is yes.

[Titus]

I've already cased him yesterday. I wanna go to sleep.

Can you just quote it?

[Titus]

Add in Never Unlucky not calling me scum until I suspected him, his passive attitude and general weirdness, dude is scum. Why do good giffers have to be scum?

[Klingoncelt]

How would you "know" he is town? you mean you read him as town? Scum are the only people who "know" someone elses alignment D1 as far as I can tell.

Don't get your hopes up, that wasn't a slip, I'm Town.

He was a very solid Townread.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I'm liking DUCKK let's not lynch him. I could go for a SuperJack lynch too. Prefer Group 3 for NU though.

Pump the fucking brakes. You were all "omg is duck pocketing me"(when i was defending yuki??) and now you are setting up a potential pocket on me. What made you flip your scum read on me when I have made like 4 content posts that can be read as AI. Don't even tell me its because of my being against NU because mafia will scum read their own teammates.

[JealousTL]

I'm currently trying to battle the impression I'm getting of a DUCK/Titus/Yuki/secondpassing scumteam that these past few pages have given me -___-;

[secondpassing]

Pump the fucking brakes. You were all "omg is duck pocketing me"(when i was defending yuki??) and now you are setting up a potential pocket on me. What made you flip your scum read on me when I have made like 4 content posts that can be read as AI. Don't even tell me its because of my being against NU because mafia will scum read their own teammates.

In my other hand holds a Ducky.

You can think whatever you want. My brain is dead right now. As long as NU and SuperJack die its cool.

[Klingoncelt]

Yea wtf is PLZ talking about?? is he saying he doesnt know he own role/alignment? seems very strange either a mix up or a downright lie.

He's been doing this shit the whole game, talking about himself, his alignment, and possible game mechanics surrounding his possible role/alignment.

Little to no Scum hunting, lots of distracting.

[Titus]

I'm currently trying to battle the impression I'm getting of a DUCK/Titus/Yuki/secondpassing scumteam that these past few pages have given me -___-;

Dude are you having a terrible game or are scum?

Do you think NU is town?

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I'm currently trying to battle the impression I'm getting of a DUCK/Titus/Yuki/secondpassing scumteam that these past few pages have given me -___-;

.. that awkward moment when your mafia list consists of all towns...

[Titus]

I am thinking Yuki/Jealous/NU

[Klingoncelt]

-vote Group 3

After a quick review of the evidence, Never Unlucky is scum.

I do apologize but I am indeed taking round 1 of this challenge.

Looks like Titus has a code in that second sentence.

Scum?

[secondpassing]

Looks like Titus has a code in that second sentence.

Scum?

Yes?