S-FM 209: Surreptitious: The Game of Spies

[RLVG]

Do not have a set conclusion, but I am leaning towards Kovath as town, RLVG mafia. It is possible both are town which is why I want to hear more of RLVG's thoughts, and not just on myself where I will be biased because I KNOW that I am not lying. I am going to negatively view RLVG for going against my claim as false because I know it cant be false. I realize he does not have that information, but it will not stop my bias if the whole read is based on his interaction with me. If RLVG is mafia, I am always town, I do not see him bussing me when I will know he is my teammate tomorrow.

This is extremely biased.

You're going to view me negatively based on the fact that I do not believe you but you yourself know it's the truth based on that you have the information given to you.
Insufficient amount of evidence were given, all we were given is a Claim which could be a direct lie and I wouldn't be surprised if it was a gambit of yours.

If I told you I'm a Sheriff, would you believe me? I could do the shitty behavior of saying that you're mafia based on the fact you don't believe I'm a Sheriff but I know I'm right.
(This isn't a softclaim but an example of how stupid this biasis is)

Too dumb to scum is not a thing.

It depends on the scumslip really.

In retrospect it's weird that everyone 'accepted' your claim like it was cash.

I agree, it's suspicious and weird.

If RLVG is town, he can't know my alignment therefore I am not sure

My read on you is based on my read on you (reduntant to say), not that I know your alignment. There's no way for me to know your alignment for day one.

I realize saying "ask this person" is really stupid, but I am a unique player.

Things considered, WHAT MAKES YOU UNIQUE?!

OH WAIT.

Secondpassing is in my group, and hes town as fuck. (I have a very good read on secondpassing. I think he can confirm this to some degree, but I can not post why at the current moment.)

This means SUPERJACK IS MAFIA, 90%+????. (assuming it isnt me, LOL.)

This logic.
Jealous and Calix were not taken in context here, so the 90% is just extremely off unless you're saying that the two mentioned are a town read.

Why did you feel the need to claim a technically neutral role? Let's look at it from both points of views.

As town, you would create a large distraction, and you could hope to put yourself off the lynch table. But those aren't the goals for town are they? The fact is, you did not claim miller, you claimed amnesiac. A miller knows their alignment, while a forced-amnesiac's is yet to be decided. Why do I put this "forced" in? Because a standard amnesiac would play much like a town would as it is in their best interests. So your play makes no sense as a town gambit.

Last I checked, Amnesiacs is a confirmed role of alignment with the ability of inheritting a role from the graveyard.

I can tell you with 100% certainty a miller does not know their alignment in this case. The fact is I did not claim miller or amnesiac. What I was given is the equivalent of the two roles, so If you are saying I claimed amnesiac, I am not sure how you can say I am not claiming miller.

You did claim amnesiac or miller, even putting yourself in the "similar role as" would be a claim of sort.

I play the way I play. I don't conform to town's utopia of how the game should go. It is retarded that I can play the most important day in the game perfectly and get punished by flipping the opposite of what I was doing. Also what do you think is going to happen if tomorrow someone claims a reversed check on me? I am either going to be grinning like a school girl or going to look like a fucking idiot when I go "I AM ACTUALLY LIKE THIS SPECIAL MILLER TYPE THING GUYS, NEW MECHANIC YEAH KNOW HAHAHAHAH" No. I am giving the town information I have now before it can fuck us over. It was early during the shitpost stage which if there is ever a time, it is then to introduce something important like that.

I can tell you with 28.6% certainty that you are correct on me.

I think we need to look back on S-FM Watermeloan, with the Watermeloan role lol.

Can't say I like a lot of these reads. In fact, I find them to be almost entirely opposite of what my leans are now, but my reads are by no means definite enough for me to make a list of this nature. In general, I find the justifications for many of these reads to be weak, and you've clearly not fully read the thread in its entirety. I would do that if I were you, as the game is still young.

Why don't you make a read list?

Oh, you mean hey, let's talk all our plan IN THE FKING DAY CHAT SO THE SCUM CAN READ ALL PUR PLAN?

In just about every town game I've forced discussion of plans in the day chat, we won lol.

Timer isn't working in OP, no idea why.

@Cryptonic ?

Timers are calculated upon the Post Creation, so if the OP was made at X time, it would count from that specific time. @Quick

Oh and to you fucking idiots out there, yuki has actually soft claimed a specific PR. We are not lynching him.

Lol, as if a soft claim is supposed to help.
Ain't we supposed to hear a hard claim considering that Yuki is among 5 players who we're almost certain is going to be lynched?

No, you're not and you will not get any information from me. Not even in the next 3 games

This behavior is just toxic.

Afraid of traitor role? It's simple. We just need to
[PICTURE]

EDITED POST ALERT ERMAGUUUUD @Quick

If I had to guess the scum in our group it would by that Korvak guy or RLVG,

Oh~ RLVG really pinned me down straight away, I felt violated and I didn't really like it...it's apparent that he doesn't care about our relationship long term ;~;

What? You're guessing one of the scum could be me? I don't see the reasoning behind it lol.
My guess on you were open : I guessed that you're a Citizen. That made you feel violated? M'kay.

I townread Yuki as a town pr so that's like. Wayyyy important. Mhmm.
Is it bad to place NU above korvath and rlvg as a town due to his straightforward and helpful posts?

You townread Yuki as a TPR which is way important, but you have no significant read on either me or Korvath which is a basic "could be scum" guess?
You can read, but you didn't?

RLVG giving SuperJack and me technical tips looks like what a scum would do to change the subject though it’s more likely that he was simply being a good guy.

Dude, don't scumread me over that I'm randomly helpful! To prove it, here's some fabulous text to fill your heart!

That's just part of the package when it comes to RLVG. He's done it before as the Host, lol.

Can confirm.

I'll be damned. This might be the first decent explanation for how the setup cannot end on Night 1...because one of the Mafia roles is a Traitor.

I told you that we don't normally approve setups that end in 1 night lol.