S-FM 209: Surreptitious: The Game of Spies

[Quick]

Surreptitious: The Game of Spies

SETUP

Living Players	Graveyard
2. @JealousTL 3. @MattZed Replaced by Unknown1234 4. @Gingerape 5. @Alles_Paletti Replaced by Eggy 6. @Yukitaka Oni 7. @Shapelog 9. @Spruance Replaced by secondpassing 10. @Slayer Replaced by SuperJack 11. @Titus 12. @PLZLEAVEDUCKK 13. @Calix 14. 15. @Klingoncelt	@RLVG : Citizen @Never Unlucky : Mafioso @Kovath : Friendly Neighbor

GROUP 1	GROUP 2	GROUP 3
Titus Shapelog Unknown1234 Klingoncelt Alles_Paletti	Calix JealousTL SuperJack PLZLEAVEDUCKK secondpassing	Gingerape Kovath Yukitaka Oni Never Unlucky

When everyone has confirmed their role, and it is a good time for me to start the game, The game will start.

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NEW GROUPS WILL BE GIVEN AT SOD 3!

GROUP 1	GROUP 2
Unknown1234 Titus Gingerape secondpassing Shapelog JealousTL	PLZLEAVEDUCKK Firebringer Eggy Yukitaka Oni Klingoncelt Calix

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[Quick]

Game will begin when 13/15 players have confirmed by

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[Quick]

13/15 players have confirmed.

With 3 Groups of 5 people each, it takes 8 to pick a group. 8 votes to hammer.

1. @Never Unlucky
2. @JealousTL
3. @MattZed
4. @Gingerape
5. @Alles_Paletti
6. @Yukitaka Oni
7. @Shapelog
8. @RLVG
9. @Spruance
10. @Slayer
11. @Titus
12. @PLZLEAVEDUCKK
13. @Calix
14. @Kovath
15. @Klingoncelt

Game Starts now.

First half of the day ends in:

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[Titus]

-vote Group 2

I'm curious as to how good Never Unlucky is. Quick said he was good. I'm curious.

[Never Unlucky]

-vote Group 1

-vote Group 2

I'm curious as to how good Never Unlucky is. Quick said he was good. I'm curious.

I can't say I'm good, but I can say that I don't have a bowl haircut.

If you're curious to see how 'good' I am, wouldn't you be voting for Group 3, my group?

[Calix]

Also it doesn't look like the votes are appearing on the automated vote system. @Quick might want to get that checked with the admins.

[Titus]

-vote Group 1

I can't say I'm good, but I can say that I don't have a bowl haircut.

If you're curious to see how 'good' I am, wouldn't you be voting for Group 3, my group?

Nope. I find people are at their best when they aren't facing a lethal firing squad.

[Shapelog]

Nope. I find people are at their best when they aren't facing a lethal firing squad.

I disagree.

People need a Barrel of a 50. Cal in their face everyday.

One of the groups has to have two scum, so either the scum will be inclined to vote for that group (because mislynching + killing a member from that group helps them achieve their win con faster) or they'll want to avoid it to lower the odds of scum being lynched. I feel like the latter is more likely though.

You can turn off that if you go to 'settings' by the way.

Oh they can different amounts? I just this was going to be like cell lol.

Do you find it strange that Group 1 has 3 votes already given the bold?

[Calix]

I disagree.

People need a Barrel of a 50. Cal in their face everyday.


Oh they can different amounts? I just this was going to be like cell lol.

Do you find it strange that Group 1 has 3 votes already given the bold?

If we have 4 mafia and only 3 groups then one of them HAS to have 2 scum in it.

NU and I are the only people who have voted for Group 1. Titus voted for Group 2. Given that I voted first and NU followed me (nothing unusual there) I don't consider it strange.

Why haven't you voted?

[Never Unlucky]

Yeah if I understand it right, there is 1 scum per group. Kinda like a cell mafia (where there are 5 cells, each cell has 1.) minus having a mayor decided the order the Cells get brought up.

Also this part of the game is usually when people just post random things tills someone trys to bring discussion into the game.

ALSO IDC IF THERE ARE NEW POSTS, I DON'T WANT TO REVIEW THEM SITE!

GO AWAY, LET ME FREAKING POST THIS.

This post gave me a Spruance/Mesk feeling...

-vote Group 1

Guess this is the part where we talk about the setup? Not sure if I understand it correctly myself, but each group has 1 or 2 scum in it, right?

Assuming that's correct, we already have a lot of information about which scum teams AREN'T possible in the game.

That is correct.

You're neglecting the 'Traitor' wildcard which would nuance your post.

Nope. I find people are at their best when they aren't facing a lethal firing squad.

Why though? Why would players who are safe for the day (i.e. they can't be lynched and feel no pressure) would be at their best?

Side-note: You and I have a similar avatar, you and I have similar posting styles(from what I can see so far)... I, too, am curious to see your play.

[Titus]

This post gave me a Spruance/Mesk feeling...





That is correct.

You're neglecting the 'Traitor' wildcard which would nuance your post.

Why though? Why would players who are safe for the day (i.e. they can't be lynched and feel no pressure) would be at their best?

Side-note: You and I have a similar avatar, you and I have similar posting styles(from what I can see so far)... I, too, am curious to see your play.

If you were lurking, it would be a scumclaim. Removing the pressure of fucking up gets more open and honest communication (by open and honest meaning your natural state, which could be a lying gambiter but you get the idea).

[Calix]

That is correct.

You're neglecting the 'Traitor' wildcard which would nuance your post.

Forgot that was a thing.

20 minutes in and I can already tell that this is going to be one of those games where I have the setup open in a separate tab 24/7.

[Calix]

-vote Group 1

Guess this is the part where we talk about the setup? Not sure if I understand it correctly myself, but each group has 1 or 2 scum in it, right?

Assuming that's correct, we already have a lot of information about which scum teams AREN'T possible in the game.

[Shapelog]

Yeah if I understand it right, there is 1 scum per group. Kinda like a cell mafia (where there are 5 cells, each cell has 1.) minus having a mayor decided the order the Cells get brought up.

Also this part of the game is usually when people just post random things tills someone trys to bring discussion into the game.

ALSO IDC IF THERE ARE NEW POSTS, I DON'T WANT TO REVIEW THEM SITE!

GO AWAY, LET ME FREAKING POST THIS.

[Calix]

Yeah if I understand it right, there is 1 scum per group. Kinda like a cell mafia (where there are 5 cells, each cell has 1.) minus having a mayor decided the order the Cells get brought up.

Also this part of the game is usually when people just post random things tills someone trys to bring discussion into the game.

ALSO IDC IF THERE ARE NEW POSTS, I DON'T WANT TO REVIEW THEM SITE!

GO AWAY, LET ME FREAKING POST THIS.

One of the groups has to have two scum, so either the scum will be inclined to vote for that group (because mislynching + killing a member from that group helps them achieve their win con faster) or they'll want to avoid it to lower the odds of scum being lynched. I feel like the latter is more likely though.

You can turn off that if you go to 'settings' by the way.

[Shapelog]

Lucky number 13 started the game boys.

Let's go.

[Calix]

Lucky number 13 started the game boys.

Let's go.

>says he wants to start the game off
>makes no attempt aside from saying "let's go" to actually get things going

Strong.

[Shapelog]

>says he wants to start the game off
>makes no attempt aside from saying "let's go" to actually get things going

Strong.

>Complains about not wanting to do anything
>Expects me not to do anything to follow that up
>Does something to follow it up
>????
>Profit

[Calix]

>Complains about not wanting to do anything
>Expects me not to do anything to follow that up
>Does something to follow it up
>????
>Profit

Responding to my post with trolling. Noted.

Moving on. Which site do you herald from and what's the standard 'meta' over there?

[Shapelog]

Responding to my post with trolling. Noted.

Moving on. Which site do you herald from and what's the standard 'meta' over there?

Will see where that gets you.

I am from Team liquids mafia subforum. I've played like over 15 or so games there, and currently in 1 like i said. If our database wasn't screw-up, I would say you could my personal meta quite easily.

As a site, TL usually spends D1 joking for the first half, looking for tone/meta/questionable posts, and then goes into more heavy discussion later on. Its pretty active compare to other sites (usually in a decent game now a days, 40 pages per cycle) and a good chuck of people are narcissist or funny. Minus a few are try hards.

Later in the day it changes with how the games go. I will say the site as a whole focuses a bit heavy on associative reads (I personally might breezily talked about 1 thought, but I typically wait till after a scum lynch.) and not enough of filter diving over all. VCA differs from person to person, case building is pretty good when looking at those players who been there more then 5 games.

Jealous also comes from TL as well.

[Quick]

Vote count isn't working. @Cryptonic , can you help me out here?

[Quick]

If nothing else, I will keep track of the group votes.

[Titus]

@Never Unlucky , Do you perform better under pressure?

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

@Never Unlucky , Do you perform better under pressure?

Haven't caught up yet, need to get water before I can fucking reading comprension, but I will say that the #1 thing players from other sites SHOULD do as town, is ask about the playstyle of new players. I hard townread titus for this, probably more than warratns a strong town read.

Also titus=symmetra?

[Quick]

Vote count reset. Try again.

[Calix]

Vote count reset. Try again.

-vote Group 1

[Never Unlucky]

Not sure how this game will go at all, given that we have a lot of off-site players put together with some mod players and casuals. It's why I want to clear up any possible meta clashes sooner rather than later.

Which one am I?

Vote count reset. Try again.

-vote Group 1

[Titus]

-vote Group 2

@Never Unlucky , You accepted a challenge to be your best. Lurking is not your best. You wouldn't even be trying, thus scumclaim.

Second, salty hmmm. I tend to be more of the angrily annoyed variety. I'm sure some of you can attest.

Third, I'm a woman.

[Calix]

Which one am I?

You fall under the category that wears PTB's helmet.

Oh there is 4 mafia players rofl. I thought this was /m13.

Oh I miscounted then. I scrolled up too fast.

AS for not voting, I am honestly just going to put the vote on what ever group has the most votes when I get off (since I be back tomorrow if needed to change it), unless a certain player from a group really sticks out to me before then. That way we are more likely to get a group elected since we need 8. The only person I personally know is Jealous, and I never actually played with him IIRC (I hosted/cohosted games with him in it, and gave pointers etc.) so meta is kinda thrown out of the picture for me.

Content aside, the way you presented your vote decision feels townie to me.

Might be how you talk but I'm too lazy to check for myself so I'm just going to roll with it.

(it's too early to tell how easily we'll be able to gain a majority vote for groups so can't really comment there)

I tend to be more of the angrily annoyed variety. I'm sure some of you can attest.

I can confirm this.

[Shapelog]

Might be how you talk but I'm too lazy to check for myself so I'm just going to roll with it.

(it's too early to tell how easily we'll be able to gain a majority vote for groups so can't really comment there)

Eh let me know if you want recent games (either from the site or from my games) since I got that tab open playing another game. I sure we can share past game links and such.

As for the groups, eh, depends on how the thread feels honestly. If they rest of the players have a mob mentality, then it will reach it prob by tomorrow for me in my timezone.

[QUOTE=Never Unlucky;633306]Excuses, ok...



No, it's not a good thing.



League of Legends loser, lol.



Happy to see another person using GIFs.

-vote Group 2

@Never Unlucky , You accepted a challenge to be your best. Lurking is not your best. You wouldn't even be trying, thus scumclaim.[/vote]

I'm lurking, huh?



I'm turned off.

Lol, I never have played a moba, I just know the terms. Why isn't it a good thing for there to be people how i act?

[Quick]

Eh let me know if you want recent games (either from the site or from my games) since I got that tab open playing another game. I sure we can share past game links and such.

RULES OF CONDUCT:
NO QUOTING ANYTHING FROM OUTSIDE THE GAME

Reread the rules.

[Quick]

Vote count works now.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

I want to say a few things. One I am slightly intoxicated so forgive me for anything incredibly stupid that is more unintelligent than my normal vernacular. I am slightly perturbed that quick has used the hidden mechanic as a joke/personal gripe towards me. I am hardclaiming that I DO NOT KNOW MY ALIGNMENT. To paraphrase I was "knocked unconscious by a rival spy and when I awoke they had stolen my identity and I forgot who I was."

Not only am I a SELF AWARE "miller" per say, but I DO NOT KNOW MY ROLE OR ALIGNMENT UNTIL THE END OF NIGHT 1.

I had planned to vote on my own group, however since I do not know my alignment, I personally think it would be best to vote group 3 and lynch RLVG. There are too many players I do not know to risk going after new players, and I think it is better to see waht they have. RLvg has shown consistenlyy that he is posting below the normal threshold, and is more trolly. I think lynching him will be good for town regardless of flip. Also, I just pray others don't have the same or equally retarded fucking PM.

This game is going to be extremely annoying for me because I feel it is as if I am culted. If I play as if im town (71.4%), and I lynch a scum, then find out I am actually scum tonight, I will be fucking livid.

I do want to say that if I had to guess I am a town role because I do not expect that quick assumed me, and maybe others?, would claim this right away and if a sheriff green checks a mafia that is basically gg for town.

WHY DOES HE START THE GAME WHEN I GO OUT TO DINNER.

-vote group3

[Kovath]

I want to say a few things. One I am slightly intoxicated so forgive me for anything incredibly stupid that is more unintelligent than my normal vernacular. I am slightly perturbed that quick has used the hidden mechanic as a joke/personal gripe towards me. I am hardclaiming that I DO NOT KNOW MY ALIGNMENT. To paraphrase I was "knocked unconscious by a rival spy and when I awoke they had stolen my identity and I forgot who I was."

Not only am I a SELF AWARE "miller" per say, but I DO NOT KNOW MY ROLE OR ALIGNMENT UNTIL THE END OF NIGHT 1.

I had planned to vote on my own group, however since I do not know my alignment, I personally think it would be best to vote group 3 and lynch RLVG. There are too many players I do not know to risk going after new players, and I think it is better to see waht they have. RLvg has shown consistenlyy that he is posting below the normal threshold, and is more trolly. I think lynching him will be good for town regardless of flip. Also, I just pray others don't have the same or equally retarded fucking PM.

This game is going to be extremely annoying for me because I feel it is as if I am culted. If I play as if im town (71.4%), and I lynch a scum, then find out I am actually scum tonight, I will be fucking livid.

I do want to say that if I had to guess I am a town role because I do not expect that quick assumed me, and maybe others?, would claim this right away and if a sheriff green checks a mafia that is basically gg for town.

WHY DOES HE START THE GAME WHEN I GO OUT TO DINNER.

-vote group3

Why were you originally planning to vote your own group?

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Why were you originally planning to vote your own group?

I have never been mis lynched, and I feel that I am good at making town circles and displaying my alignment. Calix is an active player and will provide content regardless of how right or wrong she will be. If it turns out we are both town as our alignments should be indicated by our play (mine on day2, hers now) then we have a 1/3 or 2/3 chance to hit the mafia based on rng alone.

I feel stronger about my town defending skills than I do my day 1 scum hunting skills. Look at all of my combined FM games, I have perfect town circles(the only mafia in my town circle past day 1 in ANY fm game, is mattzed - qt.314). I felt my group was a good chance to be able to town circle and scum hunt on POE rather than scum motivation which I have shown that I am hit or miss on. Play to my strengths.

I am mainly posting this for everyone, as I have discussed this with kovath in extensive detail on skype.

[Shapelog]

Not only am I a SELF AWARE "miller" per say, but I DO NOT KNOW MY ROLE OR ALIGNMENT UNTIL THE END OF NIGHT 1.

I had planned to vote on my own group, however since I do not know my alignment, I personally think it would be best to vote group 3 and lynch RLVG. There are too many players I do not know to risk going after new players, and I think it is better to see waht they have. RLvg has shown consistenlyy that he is posting below the normal threshold, and is more trolly. I think lynching him will be good for town regardless of flip. Also, I just pray others don't have the same or equally retarded fucking PM.

This game is going to be extremely annoying for me because I feel it is as if I am culted. If I play as if im town (71.4%), and I lynch a scum, then find out I am actually scum tonight, I will be fucking livid.

I do want to say that if I had to guess I am a town role because I do not expect that quick assumed me, and maybe others?, would claim this right away and if a sheriff green checks a mafia that is basically gg for town.

WHY DOES HE START THE GAME WHEN I GO OUT TO DINNER.

-vote group3

Things about this post I do not like:

This game is going to be extremely annoying for me because I feel it is as if I am culted. If I play as if im town (71.4%), and I lynch a scum, then find out I am actually scum tonight, I will be fucking livid.

I do want to say that if I had to guess I am a town role because I do not expect that quick assumed me, and maybe others?, would claim this right away and if a sheriff green checks a mafia that is basically gg for town.

If that was the case, you (if u are telling the thruth) would be unaware IMO. Aside that, Never rely on Host WIFOM period in the game (if u don't know what WIFOM means, it means Wine in front of me aka useless talk.)

Also the top part is prob. the best situation you could be in if you were scum in this case.

I had planned to vote on my own group, however since I do not know my alignment, I personally think it would be best to vote group 3 and lynch RLVG. There are too many players I do not know to risk going after new players, and I think it is better to see waht they have. RLvg has shown consistenlyy that he is posting below the normal threshold, and is more trolly. I think lynching him will be good for town regardless of flip. Also, I just pray others don't have the same or equally retarded fucking PM.

So you acknowledge the fact that there are new players, then want to lynch who ever the hell that guy is for something those said new players aren't going to understand? Can you please be a bit more specif about RLVG's meta?

What do you think of my posts since i consider myself a little troll?

I had planned to vote on my own group, however since I do not know my alignment, I personally think it would be best to vote group 3 and lynch RLVG.

You don't need to know your alignment to not vote your own group... You really don't. Yes, you might lynch scum if you are actually aware miller who is also a basically a mole without a def. alignment. Just look for sus. and be normal.

Besides, if you care about if you hit mafia as mafia, and that is stopping you from voting your group, how is voting someone who not here any better for that?

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

Things about this post I do not like:

If that was the case, you (if u are telling the thruth) would be unaware IMO. Aside that, Never rely on Host WIFOM period in the game (if u don't know what WIFOM means, it means Wine in front of me aka useless talk.)

Also the top part is prob. the best situation you could be in if you were scum in this case.

So you acknowledge the fact that there are new players, then want to lynch who ever the hell that guy is for something those said new players aren't going to understand? Can you please be a bit more specif about RLVG's meta?

What do you think of my posts since i consider myself a little troll?


You don't need to know your alignment to not vote your own group... You really don't. Yes, you might lynch scum if you are actually aware miller who is also a basically a mole without a def. alignment. Just look for sus. and be normal.

Besides, if you care about if you hit mafia as mafia, and that is stopping you from voting your group, how is voting someone who not here any better for that?

My post quality is going to be weak for the next several hours, I say this not as an excuse, but I will need to be more coherent to analyze posts by a player I have never seen before.

I am relying on host meta because the setup said the game would be BALANCED. A mafia miller is unfair with the possible roles and setup, you can disagree with me, but I think it is a reasonable assumption.

RLVG is a fine player, however in cat and mouse he ONLY posted troll comments and then went MIA for several days. Then I saw one or two more games where I believe he did not post at all? Other players who were in those games can comment on that, and what they think of RLVG's recent posting habits. If he steps his play up this game this is all out the window obviously.

I just discussed my thoughts on voting my own group. To your point, I like to play with skilled players who are willing to improve. In a recent game (qt.3.14) I went against lynching a very likely mafia because I respected their play and wanted to continue playing with them over other players who could have been mafia that I do not feel were playing as well. In this particular case I feel like lynching someone who is not going to post benefits the game experience whether or not it helps or hurts me in the game.

[JealousTL]

Open request:

I've heard a few people stating their opinions for and against meta-reads. Since I have no experience with anyone here, will people be vigilant about meta? I am not a big fan of reading meta myself, but in this scenario where people have a lot of experience with one another, it could be a valuable tool. Sifting through the "he said, she said" is a tedious task but I have done it before to some success. So, in short, my request is that if you see something that rubs you the wrong way about someone in reference to their meta, please post it and be ready to defend it against the target's scummates. From what I see in the list of participants, the majority of you should be familiar with one another, so scum /should/ be in the minority if defending one another on meta reads.

[Calix]

Open request:

I've heard a few people stating their opinions for and against meta-reads. Since I have no experience with anyone here, will people be vigilant about meta? I am not a big fan of reading meta myself, but in this scenario where people have a lot of experience with one another, it could be a valuable tool. Sifting through the "he said, she said" is a tedious task but I have done it before to some success. So, in short, my request is that if you see something that rubs you the wrong way about someone in reference to their meta, please post it and be ready to defend it against the target's scummates. From what I see in the list of participants, the majority of you should be familiar with one another, so scum /should/ be in the minority if defending one another on meta reads.

This post makes no sense. If someone uses a meta reference to scum-read a player, then the mafia are going to jump in to defend that player?

Why do you think that scum would respond like that? The player would just retaliate against the meta read as they know their own meta better than anyone else's, no?

[Shapelog]

My post quality is going to be weak for the next several hours, I say this not as an excuse, but I will need to be more coherent to analyze posts by a player I have never seen before.

That's fine, Still going to question you though :P

I am relying on host meta because the setup said the game would be BALANCED. A mafia miller is unfair with the possible roles and setup, you can disagree with me, but I think it is a reasonable assumption.

No set up talk is fine. What i am talking about is saying QT gave you/X player a certain role. Thats WIFOM since you don't actually know how/if QT did it.

RLVG is a fine player, however in cat and mouse he ONLY posted troll comments and then went MIA for several days. Then I saw one or two more games where I believe he did not post at all? Other players who were in those games can comment on that, and what they think of RLVG's recent posting habits. If he steps his play up this game this is all out the window obviously.

Ah, ok. It just sounded like the guy was trolly/a bit inactive.

Def. if anyone can comment about the bold please do so. But I make sense of what your saying at least.

I just discussed my thoughts on voting my own group. To your point, I like to play with skilled players who are willing to improve. In a recent game (qt.3.14) I went against lynching a very likely mafia because I respected their play and wanted to continue playing with them over other players who could have been mafia that I do not feel were playing as well. In this particular case I feel like lynching someone who is not going to post benefits the game experience whether or not it helps or hurts me in the game.

I prob. try to check this if i remember.

I don't honestly think I ever meet someone like that lol (leaving mafia alive.) The "lynching bad townie over maybe scum" makes sense to me as i def. have done that before. That alone doesn't really help me much with your alignment i must admit (other then if you don't do it) but nice to know I suppose.

I should probably put in my two cents on Duck's meta.

A. He's prone to bragging about his FM play, references his own meta every other post, and flips on his reads a lot. This is NAI for him.

B. He also loves his insane gambits...which is also NAI. Textbook example of this is in Instant Mafia 2.0 (only 700-odd posts and I think it showcases Duck's usual play very well)

C. To call him an emotional player is the equivalent of calling the Prime Minster "fairly well-known in politics"

Thank me later.

What is AI for him?

Open request:

I've heard a few people stating their opinions for and against meta-reads. Since I have no experience with anyone here, will people be vigilant about meta? I am not a big fan of reading meta myself, but in this scenario where people have a lot of experience with one another, it could be a valuable tool. Sifting through the "he said, she said" is a tedious task but I have done it before to some success. So, in short, my request is that if you see something that rubs you the wrong way about someone in reference to their meta, please post it and be ready to defend it against the target's scummates. From what I see in the list of participants, the majority of you should be familiar with one another, so scum /should/ be in the minority if defending one another on meta reads.

The bold makes no sense. #1 doesn't make sense due to that it requires us to know if the target is A scum, and b his team mates will come to his aid. And the #2 doesn't make sense due to that only working for players who aren't from this site. Basically #2 paints outsiders as scummy kinda.

Unless #2 refers to vets which then doesn't make sense since any of the vets should talk up if wrong meta is happening.

[JealousTL]

The bold makes no sense. #1 doesn't make sense due to that it requires us to know if the target is A scum, and b his team mates will come to his aid. And the #2 doesn't make sense due to that only working for players who aren't from this site. Basically #2 paints outsiders as scummy kinda.

Unless #2 refers to vets which then doesn't make sense since any of the vets should talk up if wrong meta is happening.

I kinda implied in #1 that you, as a person eligible to make meta reads as a vet, would believe the meta to be scummy. #2, your analysis is exactly what I mean, I'm just giving further encouragement for people to generate discussion on such matters so that us newbies to the forum can have something to draw from. Seeing how defense/attack on different people splits has won me a game in the past in which I had no idea of what the meta was for anyone, so I would like to do the same here if the opportunity presents itself.

[Calix]

What is AI for him?

Tone/ emotional reads. Those would be the main differences between his town/ scum play. He's prone to raging as town and when he's scum, he has to live up to that and isn't always successful at making it sound genuine.

All of his crazy antics and play are just smoke and mirrors for that, in my opinion. I know that most players who have played with Duck would disagree here.

[Quick]

I'm not saying I have a problem with what is happening in the thread right now, but keep ad homs to a min please. I want a clean game, not a shitfest.

[Calix]

So Duck's claiming to have some kind of negative-utility rolecard that would mean that he essentially invalidates everything he says as NAI until Day 2.

It's not a mechanic that I've ever heard of before and this is meant to be 'balanced' so I'm not sure wherever a) he's telling the truth or b) this is one of his insane conspiracy theories that he's made up as part of a convoluted plan.

Both are equally possible when it comes to him.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

So Duck's claiming to have some kind of negative-utility rolecard that would mean that he essentially invalidates everything he says as NAI until Day 2.

It's not a mechanic that I've ever heard of before and this is meant to be 'balanced' so I'm not sure wherever a) he's telling the truth or b) this is one of his insane conspiracy theories that he's made up as part of a convoluted plan.

Both are equally possible when it comes to him.

Here is what we know:

1) If I am lieing, I am always mafia and doing this
2) I will likely have cooridnated this in night chat already and my partner will be going along with it in some way or fashion?

If you can find town or mafia motivation in what happened to me share it, and use it for or against me.

I have stated many times in previous games that I DO NOT plan my opening posts or plays. I do everything as it happens, if you think that is alignment indicative then read me in that way, because guess what I can't fucking tell you if you are right or wrong about me.
@Calix Personally I feel our group would be bad to select because this site has a bad meta where activity is read as town. I would argue my activity and yours would make us "immune", do you agree with this, and what are your thoughts on that?

[Shapelog]

Forgot to link these:
[QUOTE=Calix;633311
What situations would determine wherever you are more aggressive/ passive?[/QUOTE]

My tone for starts.

When I am aggressive, I am usually being a smart arse about it. Not in a bad way, just witty. And a course those posts tend to feel aggressive due to the post style.

Passive i am more mellow and jokey. Kinda like when I ask about what you make out of the voting so far on page 1.

it honestly very obv once the game gets going, IMO.

Hi Professor.

None of us are your students.

Hi Ms.Titus,

I don't want your witty remarks.

Well i do if they hold alignment related info in them.

Here is what we know:

1) If I am lieing, I am always mafia and doing this
2) I will likely have cooridnated this in night chat already and my partner will be going along with it in some way or fashion?

If you can find town or mafia motivation in what happened to me share it, and use it for or against me.

I have stated many times in previous games that I DO NOT plan my opening posts or plays. I do everything as it happens, if you think that is alignment indicative then read me in that way, because guess what I can't fucking tell you if you are right or wrong about me.

Lol, the way you are talking about it seems a bit nature honesty.
At least in this post.

@Calix Personally I feel our group would be bad to select because this site has a bad meta where activity is read as town. I would argue my activity and yours would make us "immune", do you agree with this, and what are your thoughts on that?

Lol then share that with the thread.

I will also chip in and say activity does not matter with my alignment, since i post like my sig. suggests.

[Titus]

So Duck's claiming to have some kind of negative-utility rolecard that would mean that he essentially invalidates everything he says as NAI until Day 2.

It's not a mechanic that I've ever heard of before and this is meant to be 'balanced' so I'm not sure wherever a) he's telling the truth or b) this is one of his insane conspiracy theories that he's made up as part of a convoluted plan.

Both are equally possible when it comes to him.

There's two choices.
1) Vote Group 2 to lynch him to remove the hassle.
2) Ignore him and document changes. Compare the second version to his towngame and the first.

[PLZLEAVEDUCKK]

There's two choices.
1) Vote Group 2 to lynch him to remove the hassle.
2) Ignore him and document changes. Compare the second version to his towngame and the first.

While I really liked your opening, I strongly agree with your point 2.

If you want to lynch me over the "mechanic", that I can understand. But to "ignore" me is one of the most INSANE things I have EVER heard. MY READS ARE 100% UNBIASED. Even If I am lynched, YOU should be paying attention to my reads. Everything I give will be from a town scum hunting perspective. You might not agree with the things I read, but to ignore them is one of the most anti-town things to do.

[Titus]

While I really liked your opening, I strongly agree with your point 2.

If you want to lynch me over the "mechanic", that I can understand. But to "ignore" me is one of the most INSANE things I have EVER heard. MY READS ARE 100% UNBIASED. Even If I am lynched, YOU should be paying attention to my reads. Everything I give will be from a town scum hunting perspective. You might not agree with the things I read, but to ignore them is one of the most anti-town things to do.

The thing is, I have to take your word that you're trying to be town while not being town. You said you'd be salty if you lynched scum, that is an admitted bias against lynching scum.

The comparison process serves to vet you to see if you're true to what you're saying today.

[Calix]

Here is what we know:

1) If I am lieing, I am always mafia and doing this
2) I will likely have cooridnated this in night chat already and my partner will be going along with it in some way or fashion?

If you can find town or mafia motivation in what happened to me share it, and use it for or against me.

I have stated many times in previous games that I DO NOT plan my opening posts or plays. I do everything as it happens, if you think that is alignment indicative then read me in that way, because guess what I can't fucking tell you if you are right or wrong about me.
@Calix Personally I feel our group would be bad to select because this site has a bad meta where activity is read as town. I would argue my activity and yours would make us "immune", do you agree with this, and what are your thoughts on that?

1. Agreed because it makes no sense for town to try and write off their contributions from square one as "null"
2. Wait, did the mafia even have a N0 chat?

Voting for my own group means that I have little influence over who gets lynched today and if there's something I know, it's that nobody gives a flying fuck about what you have to say when you can't vote.

So hell fucking no am I doing that shit anytime soon, regardless of how we're read.

There's two choices.
1) Vote Group 2 to lynch him to remove the hassle.
2) Ignore him and document changes. Compare the second version to his towngame and the first.

Second option makes more sense. If anything, the unknown element in Group 2 makes it a hazard.

On second thoughts, I'm going to switch to Group 3. This is based on nothing but meta as I've played with 4/5 of the players in that block so I have a better chance of detecting which 1-2 of them are scum.

-vote Group 3