Goodbye sc2mafia

[Brendan]

Isn't this pretty much indirect nameshaming & defamation on a fellow community member, as an admin?

there's literally no post i can make in this thread without someone saying something dumb in response so i've been avoiding it
this is a fact nothing more?

[BananaCucho]

As a mother, if this happened to me and I felt it was serious, I would contact my local police first and then quietly remove myself from this site. Making a big stink isn't making your children any more safe and that would be my main concern. I would cut all possible ties from this person. I would contact the administration as you have and let them know what a crazy is on their site and what they have done to you and then cut all ties. Babies safety always comes first! Banning duckk isn't going to keep your children safe especially since this happened on a different platform.

You never know how you're going to react under a that situation until it happens to you.

Being vocal about it deters any further action from Duck actually following through fmpov

[Bunny]

Why would you remove yourself from the site if the issue is this one particular guy?

Because my child's safety is of utmost importance and I would no longer want to be involved and removing myself keep my child more protected! Crypt and I are fairly choosy about who stay contacted with online and one or the reasons we don't have Skype.

[Ash]

More "banana deserves it" posts

If I deserve it where's my infractions? Where's my ban? I get infracted for talking shit about MattZed because instead of threatening to kill my kids he reports it.

Oh, but poor duck, he had to act in self defense for me pointing out how he ruins game after game. Anyone who's played with duck knows what he's done and how he hasn't stopped and won't stop.

Can you stop harassing Brendan please? Thank you!!

[RLVG]

there's literally no post i can make in this thread without someone saying something dumb in response so i've been avoiding it

It's not exactly avoiding it if you called out a player to be a liar and a bully while holding back the evidence.
The evidence isn't the thing at matter but the way you phrased it in the open public.

If it were untrue this is open framing and if it were true you're invading the privacy of the person.

[Brendan]

It's not exactly avoiding it if you called out a player to be a liar and a bully while holding back the evidence.
The evidence isn't the thing at matter but the way you phrased it in the open public.

If it were untrue this is open framing and if it were true you're invading the privacy of the person.

go pull some quotes from banana's post history like you did with duck dude. are you joking? have you not noticed her posts regarding duck? it's literally a fact that she's been harassing duck it's not something i'm making up.

[RLVG]

Crypt and I are fairly choosy about who stay contacted with online and one or the reasons we don't have Skype.

Man, if I could ban people for talking shit and threatening me on Skype, my life would be so much easier.

Crypt clearly has Skype.

[Calix]

go pull some quotes from banana's post history like you did with duck dude. are you joking? have you not noticed her posts regarding duck? it's literally a fact that she's been harassing duck it's not something i'm making up.

If this was a serious issue, staff would have intervened by now.

Otherwise that would suggest that the current staff aren't doing their job properly and that Banana's behaviour is only being dragged up now to mitigate Duck's actual rule violation.

Pick one.

[Bunny]

You never know how you're going to react under a that situation until it happens to you.

Being vocal about it deters any further action from Duck actually following through fmpov

I know for a fact that is what I would do. Continuing to be able to be in contact that person is not keeping your children safe. Why do you think people get involved with immediate emergency protective orders with absolutely no contact in situations where a person threatens families and children. I just don't see how it's worth it! These situations can be very scary if serious and keeping up the ability to aggravate and contact further is odd to me.

[Bunny]

Crypt clearly has Skype.

Nope he does not. He has a few of the other admins on fb and they chat there.

[BananaCucho]

go pull some quotes from banana's post history like you did with duck dude. are you joking? have you not noticed her posts regarding duck? it's literally a fact that she's been harassing duck it's not something i'm making up.

1) if this was a legit problem where are my warnings and infractions?

2) burden of proof lies with the one making the claim.

I don't deny I've badgered duck with these posts in response to ducks behavior on site and in game. But I've never been told to stop doing them. I've been told not to call a bigot a bigot. I've been infracted for saying one member has cock in their mouth while they talk. I've been warned for referencing two members in passing as a joke.

No warning about duck until my kids are threatened - but now I deserve it. OK.

If you don't think my kids deserve being threatened by someone they've never interacted with, why bring it up? Bringing up that I somehow goaded duck into threatening them means you think I and my kids deserve death threats.

[RLVG]

go pull some quotes from banana's post history like you did with duck dude. are you joking? have you not noticed her posts regarding duck? it's literally a fact that she's been harassing duck it's not something i'm making up.

I'm not joking when I say that you're defaming and shaming on someone. Even if she has been harassing Duck, should this be made public knowledge by the admins themselves who are sworn to keep the privacy of people and has their respected authority? There's a reason admins are chosen.

You even implied evidence which you have not put out yet, so this is a situation of 1. You're framing them, or 2. you're completely invading their privacy.

As questioned, where's the infractions?

I would be happy to publish everything I've sent to banana and all of the staff posts regarding it idc.

I just find it funny that banana continues to try and paint herself innocent when she's been harassing the dude for months.

And for your information, it's not actually a neutral perspective either.

I'm looking at it from a neutral administrative perspective.

[Ash]

1) if this was a legit problem where are my warnings and infractions?

2) burden of proof lies with the one making the claim.

I don't deny I've badgered duck with these posts in response to ducks behavior on site and in game. But I've never been told to stop doing them. I've been told not to call a bigot a bigot. I've been infracted for saying one member has cock in their mouth while they talk. I've been warned for referencing two members in passing as a joke.

No warning about duck until my kids are threatened - but now I deserve it. OK.

If you don't think my kids deserve being threatened by someone they've never interacted with, why bring it up? Bringing up that I somehow goaded duck into threatening them means you think I and my kids deserve death threats.

Hello. This is definitely a legit problem and it did not come to the moderators' concerns because it must have slipped by them. S-FMs may contain hundreds or thousands of posts sometimes and they do not have the time to read through every single one of them. As an ex-moderator, I know what I'm talking about.

Click through every single one of these links, and tell me, what the fuck were you thinking you little shit?

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...081#post612081
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...034#post612034
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...991#post611991
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...980#post611980
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...929#post611929
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...186#post612186
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...188#post612188
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...005#post613005
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...839#post618839
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...890#post617890
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...232#post616232
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...169#post611169
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...886#post614886
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...653#post621653
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...935#post614935

I could link more honestly, but you see my point. More than half of these links were directed to Duck. What the fuck would you expect if someone constantly says "Go eat a dick, asshole?" Your kids don't deserve a threat, and neither do you. But you do deserve a punishment. No one has told you to stop because no one has complained about it before (the members of SC2Mafia are nothing but pussies), but if you look at your own posts you're nothing but a toxic piece of shit. Go up to a random black person in a bad neighborhood and tell them to eat a bag of dicks. They're going to fucking slam you and shoot you, lil bitch. The moderators don't give a shit about S-FMs and neither do I. It just seems that you're salty about the outcome of one of the games and you have to constantly spam "Go eat a dick". How childish you are. Grow the fuck up, maybe leave the forums. I doubt anyone is going to tolerate your behavior.

Oh and here's a tip: Don't talk to anyone on Skype if they're not your friends.

I'm not joking when I say that you're defaming and shaming on someone. Even if she has been harassing Duck, should this be made public knowledge by the admins themselves who are sworn to keep the privacy of people and has their respected authority? There's a reason admins are chosen.

You even implied evidence which you have not put out yet, so this is a situation of 1. You're framing them, or 2. you're completely invading their privacy.

As questioned, where's the infractions?





And for your information, it's not actually a neutral perspective either.

How the fuck is Brendan framing? He literally stated

I would be happy to publish everything I've sent to banana and all of the staff posts regarding it idc. No one "sanctioned" anything. Two post quotes from answer hall =/= sanctioning a death threat. I just find it funny that banana continues to try and paint herself innocent when she's been harassing the dude for months. That doesn't justify his actions and I'm not trying to defend him or take his side, but I'm looking at it from a neutral administrative perspective. I'm not going to police all of his internet activities. If you actually feel threatened by what he said then please contact your local law enforcement like I've already suggested to you.

This implies that Brendan ACKNOWLEDGES that Duck was acting immature and wrongful. He even gave her advise to call the local law enforcement, even though I honestly doubt they're going to give a shit. Stop white-knighting and look at how many times she's been a toxic bitch.

[BananaCucho]

Ash, if A) me nor my kids deserve a death threat, and B) Duck was in the wrong, then what is the point of your post?

If you think I deserve punishment for those posts, report those posts.

[Klingoncelt]

Honestly what do you expect when every post I made since mafia wars II was replied by you with "eat a dick, asshole". These are posts that were not responded to you or involved you in any way. Those were the nicer posts you made towards me. If you do not like me, you do not have to engage with me. I asked you to stop, and you did not. Today, I went to sign up for a FM that you have no intention in being apart of and you for no reason attack me. At some point if you poke a dog long enough, they are going to bite. Is what I said beyond over the top extreme? Yes, but nothing else seems to get through to you to stop. If you leave me alone or have a legitimate criticism that is okay, and I have no problem with you. In your post today you said "going to ruin another game", and when I asked you to explain how I ruined a previous game you just avoid the question. If you are going to insult me at least make it accurate or try to back it up with a real claim.

I don't go out of my way to insult anyone, and I usually take most insults, but after a point it gets obnoxious.

So...

someone being obnoxious to you deserves to have their children murdered?

Asshole.

[Gyrlander]

I would like Duck to say that he's sorry for threatening to murder children that do not have something to do with this and say that he's not going to murder anyone. (I'm pretty sure he won't do that) But I would like him to say it, and hope he knows he has gone too far.

[Cryptonic]

Hey cryptonic,

Sorry for the whole mess this thing made. If it is okay with you, I would like to receive whatever ban penalty they are suggesting. The comment I made was certainly way past the line, and I did not intend to cause anybody to fear for their real life safety. If you look through Banana's posts, she really has been constantly harassing me for weeks. I have tried to get her to stop, and today I had enough. The whole ganging up on my now is the same things that happened BEFORE i made any post of such caliber. I would expect it after the comment I made, but beforehand this is the same thing that happens on a daily basis. They ignore facts, and just spew the same cherry picked facts.

I am sorry for the inconvenience, and I hope me accepting a ban will calm down the heat on the staff's end. I really just wanted to join your game, and play mafia, I am not here to troll or threaten people. Thanks, and have a good day - DucK.

Probably the closest you'll get to an apology

[Cryptonic]

Ash, if A) me nor my kids deserve a death threat, and B) Duck was in the wrong, then what is the point of your post?

If you think I deserve punishment for those posts, report those posts.

If I may ask, do you take Duckk's threat seriously?

[BananaCucho]

If I may ask, do you take Duckk's threat seriously?

Does the grade of current concern for the threat matter? A death threat is a death threat.

[Klingoncelt]

As a mother, if this happened to me and I felt it was serious, I would contact my local police first and then quietly remove myself from this site. Making a big stink isn't making your children any more safe and that would be my main concern. I would cut all possible ties from this person. I would contact the administration as you have and let them know what a crazy is on their site and what they have done to you and then cut all ties. Babies safety always comes first! Banning duckk isn't going to keep your children safe especially since this happened on a different platform.

Actually it's better to be as public as possible, leaving a clear trail for authorities to follow.

Cutting all ties means we can't keep in contact with her - it's a lot easier to harm someone when they're alone.

[Klingoncelt]

Another few questions. If Banana's behaviour actually constituted harassment, why have the staff not done anything to prevent it before now?

Why was Banana not banned if her behaviour on-site really was so deplorable to the staff?

Why are Banana's posts only being brought under scrutiny when Duck is on the firing line?

2nd

[Cryptonic]

Does the grade of current concern for the threat matter? A death threat is a death threat.

OK, I'll take that as a no.

[BananaCucho]

OK, I'll take that as a no.

Your point?

[Cryptonic]

2nd

1) Because Duckk didn't report the posts, so staff decided not to take initiative against someone they are friends with, and siding with someone they already had bias against.
2) See #1
3) See #1

[Cryptonic]

Your point?

Just getting all the ducks in a row

[BananaCucho]

Just getting all the ducks in a row

When I first got the threat my immediate response was panic, hence my many reports and creation of this thread.

Given how duck has further responded in this thread, I don't think that he would follow through with the threat

That doesn't lessen the gravity of the threat itself. That's not in question. Apparently the only thing in question was "should we punish off site offesnes", that is until your boy Brendan and his posse decided to play the "blame the victim" game.

[Cryptonic]

When I first got the threat my immediate response was panic, hence my many reports and creation of this thread.

Given how duck has further responded in this thread, I don't think that he would follow through with the threat

That doesn't lessen the gravity of the threat itself. That's not in question. Apparently the only thing in question was "should we punish off site offesnes", that is until your boy Brendan and his posse decided to play the "blame the victim" game.

I'm not saying that it does lessen the threat, nor would it lessen the punishment. He commit the actions whether or not he considers to follow through or not, which is deplorable within and of itself.

But Banana, you have to realize that you have been relentless on the guy. I know you feel that he deserves the treatment that you and everyone has given him, based on how he has acted and behaved in games and on the site. But you had to realize that treating someone this way for such an extensive period of time would result in such a reaction. Everyone has a breaking point; I just think it's lucky that his isn't completely psychotic and the threat is empty. We're not blaming the victim, we're just saying that you can't feign complete innocence in this situation. You know it, we all know it. Saying anything otherwise would just be insulting.

That being said, since the rule that we would infract for things on Skype that Slaol made was still effective when this event occurred, the staff has voted that we will move forward with a punishment for Duckk for this situation.

We ask that in the future that you try to treat your fellow members with at least some form of respect, whether you think they deserve it or not. I know you call it trolling, but trolling is supposed to be ironic and funny. Not shutting someone down everytime they post, or insulting them every time they say anything.

[BananaCucho]

This sounds like the exact argument that was made for Frog. Frog was pushed into that situation so that's why he reacted how he did.

The only difference is you hate Frog and so you sided against him.

[Cryptonic]

This sounds like the exact argument that was made for Frog. Frog was pushed into that situation so that's why he reacted how he did.

The only difference is you hate Frog and so you sided against him.

Except Frog got banned for threatening the site, and FM Violations.

[BananaCucho]

Except Frog got banned for threatening the site, and FM Violations.

Threatening the site is more grave than threatening 2 users and 2 children. Got it.

[Cryptonic]

Threatening the site is more grave than threatening 2 users and 2 children. Got it.

Is it really that hard for you to agree to stop being an asshole, that you have to deflect and twist words to avoid the conversation that we are having?
No one is saying the site is more important than the lives of other humans. You know no one is saying that. I was stating that Frog was not banned for his over reaction to being bullied, which is the argument you presented.

[BananaCucho]

Is it really that hard for you to agree to stop being an asshole, that you have to deflect and twist words to avoid the conversation that we are having?
No one is saying the site is more important than the lives of other humans. You know no one is saying that. I was stating that Frog was not banned for his over reaction to being bullied, which is the argument you presented.

Yet that was the argument presented by the pro Frog crowd, that he only resorted to that for being bullied. You struck down that argument as bullshit, yet here you are making the same argument for a different member.

[Cryptonic]

Banana, I'm not blaming you. To be honest, we, the staff, should've stepped in a long time ago. I'm not sure why we didn't. Laziness, negligence, bias, apathy. But, it happened. Everyone played a part leading up to this situation, and I think it'd be more productive to just all be more productive in the future to prevent situations like this in the future.

[BananaCucho]

That's reasonable.

I have some things to take care of while I'm away and when I return I'll take your request into consideration.

[Cryptonic]

Yet that was the argument presented by the pro Frog crowd, that he only resorted to that for being bullied. You struck down that argument as bullshit, yet here you are making the same argument for a different member.

How was Frog bullied, though? Frog reacted and gamethrew in multiple games, and OGC in multiple games, because he thought Sen was gamethrowing for not following his plan. That is not a reaction to bullying, that is a reaction to not getting his way.

[Bunny]

Actually it's better to be as public as possible, leaving a clear trail for authorities to follow.

Cutting all ties means we can't keep in contact with her - it's a lot easier to harm someone when they're alone.

She's not alone, she has her family and get local police to protect her. Cutting ties is often suggested to remove possibility of contact and further coflict . I doubt you would be able to do anything to help her should something arise. But her local friends, family and police are able to.

[BananaCucho]

How was Frog bullied, though? Frog reacted and gamethrew in multiple games, and OGC in multiple games, because he thought Sen was gamethrowing for not following his plan. That is not a reaction to bullying, that is a reaction to not getting his way.

Yet that was the argument made because from Helz's POV he was goaded into it. From other's points of view he deserved the modkills, the ridicule, etc.

From your POV I goaded duck into it. From my POV he deserved every nasty post I made towards him.

The "they reached their breaking point" argument wouldn't hold up for actual crime, and the same doesn't hold up for bannable offenses either. One is in control of and responsible for their own actions.

If you want to smack a ban on me to make an example of me go ahead. If I did bannable shit, ban me for it, as long as he is also punished appropriately for the shit he did.

[Cryptonic]

That's reasonable.

I have some things to take care of while I'm away and when I return I'll take your request into consideration.

And that's all I ask, thank you. I'm not asking you to never insult anyone, nor to speak your mind. Obviously, I don't expect anyone to do that.

[Cryptonic]

Yet that was the argument made because from Helz's POV he was goaded into it. From other's points of view he deserved the modkills, the ridicule, etc.

From your POV I goaded duck into it. From my POV he deserved every nasty post I made towards him.

The "they reached their breaking point" argument wouldn't hold up for actual crime, and the same doesn't hold up for bannable offenses. One is in control of and responsible for their own actions.

Oh, I did not know this POV from Helz.

Yes, you're right. He did do it, and he should be held accountable regardless of his emotional state at the time of saying it. The only reason I was against any sort of punishment was that I didn't believe that it is my job to go and police Skype along side the forums. I assumed Skype was a place to take personal drama away from the site. But, there was a current rule regarding this, and it will be followed.

[BananaCucho]

This thread can be closed now.