S-FM 204: Insanity

[TheDarkestLight]

Actually, that's true. Kovath could have just been visited by the mass murderer.

Citizens can visit in this setup. So it's also possible he visited someone that was visited by the Mass Murderer.

[GameFreak]

I don't see tdl's plan , why would the witch think he was scum. From being bussed and witched

[Unknown1234]

Citizens can visit in this setup. So it's also possible he visited someone that was visited by the Mass Murderer.

Okay, now I consider those chances less.

[TheDarkestLight]

Citizens can visit in this setup. So it's also possible he visited someone that was visited by the Mass Murderer.

Citizen
At night you may target someone.

Not sure about you, but "at night you may target someone" sounds a lot like visiting to me.

[GameFreak]

i'm in a dota game but i have shit to say after

[Unknown1234]

I don't see tdl's plan , why would the witch think he was scum. From being bussed and witched

Why would he claim witched in the first place if he is evil though?

[Unknown1234]

Why would he claim witched in the first place if he is evil though?

Nvm, the bussing part is the fake part.

[Unknown1234]

I don't get this gambit either, but you guys have been around longer then me to know if that makes sense.

[TheDarkestLight]

I don't see tdl's plan , why would the witch think he was scum. From being bussed and witched

Because I thought if the witch targetted me and knew I was witched, but then I claimed to be bussed while still being witched the Witch would see that I was lying and assume I'm a scum.

I didn't take the OoO into consideration.

[ThePaladin]

Also, to address bolded. That suggests that there is no way the killer could be a Mass Murderer, since the original kill was on a Citizen, if Mass Murderer works how it normally does it would kill the Citizen like a Serial Killer would, or since Citizens can walk into people in this setup, Kovath could have walked into the Mass Murderer. Also, if it is a Serial Killer, there is the chance it attacked someone with a vest. You're instantly assuming it was a Serial Killer which is a major fallacy in your arguments.

Actually the killer could be a mm still and be roleblocked and therefore not hit anyone. It would be low odds for us to have a mm who visited a person who didn't get visited by anyone else. If we are going by raw probability its more likely that the killer was roleblocked.
I am well aware of the vest possibility, but assuming host didn't get op sinister-role happy. That would probably be only about a 2/11 chance, once again lower if we are doing raw probability.

but alas we aren't doing just raw probability.
You have also failed to contribute substantial information during this game.
Did you not scum read me for the last 2 days, why did it suddenly change today before I claim or asked for who was bussed?
And lastly, you changed what you are saying nor do i believe your gambit since I highly doubt the witch would buddy anyone especially the person they tried to target.







Also Who Had Their Alignment confirmed by Asylum Director so far and on what night?

[GameFreak]

witch might not know she's a witch and might think he was BD ? so many flaws

[ThePaladin]

Because I thought if the witch targetted me and knew I was witched, but then I claimed to be bussed while still being witched the Witch would see that I was lying and assume I'm a scum.

I didn't take the OoO into consideration.

So you were trying to buddy the witch?

Don't think scum hunting works that way.

[Unknown1234]

Actually, why is TDL nagging me for providing minimal effort when he has done LESS than Me? I'm not going to sit around and hear about me not putting in effort because I don't wall posts, if I'm active asking questions and giving input opposed to just making one point I'll consider that a win.

[ThePaladin]

witch might not know she's a witch and might think he was BD ? so many flaws

Based on asylum counselor and director feedback. It's fair to assume at least 1 sinister won't know their role.

[TheDarkestLight]

Actually the killer could be a mm still and be roleblocked and therefore not hit anyone. It would be low odds for us to have a mm who visited a person who didn't get visited by anyone else. If we are going by raw probability its more likely that the killer was roleblocked.
I am well aware of the vest possibility, but assuming host didn't get op sinister-role happy. That would probably be only about a 2/11 chance, once again lower if we are doing raw probability.

but alas we aren't doing just raw probability.
You have also failed to contribute substantial information during this game.
Did you not scum read me for the last 2 days, why did it suddenly change today before I claim or asked for who was bussed?
And lastly, you changed what you are saying nor do i believe your gambit since I highly doubt the witch would buddy anyone especially the person they tried to target.







Also Who Had Their Alignment confirmed by Asylum Director so far and on what night?

MM can target themselves and comes before Escorts in the OoO. After two roleblock claims... that seems like a pretty decent move imo.

Also, as to provide substantial info, I've actually provided more than a good few people who have done nothing save claim their results and roles. IE Gamefreak, Unknown, Gyrlander. Also, I was the one to even vote Eggy in the first place yesterday.

Also, it didn't change until you started hounding about who was bussed. That's when I realize you were the Escort. Or Drug Dealer, fuck if I know.

[Unknown1234]

Also, I can't make a claim because I can tell you 100% I am a lunatic, which is really dumb but I didn't catch onto this until now.

[TheDarkestLight]

Actually, why is TDL nagging me for providing minimal effort when he has done LESS than Me? I'm not going to sit around and hear about me not putting in effort because I don't wall posts, if I'm active asking questions and giving input opposed to just making one point I'll consider that a win.

Strong emotional post.

[Unknown1234]

TDL your vote on eggy was followed by you leaving, AND he was town. How do you gain town-cred there?

[Unknown1234]

Strong emotional post.

Because I play in three games and it's frustrating to see people say you put in no effort. Good comment though.

[TheDarkestLight]

So you were trying to buddy the witch?

Don't think scum hunting works that way.

Because if the Witch revealed herself then I would know who it is and could tell the town?

If the witch thought I was scum and revealed herself as the Bus Driver to try to aid me then I could call her out and that's that.

[ThePaladin]

MM can target themselves and comes before Escorts in the OoO. After two roleblock claims... that seems like a pretty decent move imo.

Also, as to provide substantial info, I've actually provided more than a good few people who have done nothing save claim their results and roles. IE Gamefreak, Unknown, Gyrlander. Also, I was the one to even vote Eggy in the first place yesterday.

Also, it didn't change until you started hounding about who was bussed. That's when I realize you were the Escort. Or Drug Dealer, fuck if I know.

Whoops
I'd argue that all 3 of them have done more substantial things than you. And voting a town doesn't mean you have been being productive.
And That's WHY it's scummy. because you didn't change till I hinted at it. Perhaps you were thinking the escort doesn't know his true role and was waiting since you are the killer. THATS THE POINT.

[ThePaladin]

Because if the Witch revealed herself then I would know who it is and could tell the town?

If the witch thought I was scum and revealed herself as the Bus Driver to try to aid me then I could call her out and that's that.

This gambit fails since witch would have to specify 2 targets. So someone else would have to confirm it aka the witch would never claim busdriver unless throwing.

Bus Driver

At night you may swap two players at night, swapping night actions done on each other.
If you only target one player, your second target is randomized.
You can not target yourself.

[TheDarkestLight]

This gambit fails since witch would have to specify 2 targets. So someone else would have to confirm it aka the witch would never claim busdriver unless throwing.

Bus Driver

At night you may swap two players at night, swapping night actions done on each other.
If you only target one player, your second target is randomized.
You can not target yourself.

There is this wonderful thing called "lying." It's kind of a big thing in the game of Mafia. I assumed it would just be someone picked out.

[GameFreak]

well since nobody claimed witched yesterday i suppose now somebody knows he's a drug dealer , gj comfirming a scum's role TDL

[ThePaladin]

There is this wonderful thing called "lying." It's kind of a big thing in the game of Mafia. I assumed it would just be someone picked out.

Do you not understand?

Witch doesn't know any other scum.

If witch thought you were scum adn claimed bd she had to specify 2 targets, you and someone else.

Someone else wouldn't confirm the claim since it never happened.

Therefore it would be equivalent to gamethrowing.

[TheDarkestLight]

Whoops
I'd argue that all 3 of them have done more substantial things than you. And voting a town doesn't mean you have been being productive.
And That's WHY it's scummy. because you didn't change till I hinted at it. Perhaps you were thinking the escort doesn't know his true role and was waiting since you are the killer. THATS THE POINT.

They haven't really done anything save claim results and roles also. Funny how you're not picking them out. I even gave reads and thoughts on the game as we went. I had some inactivity because of real life. Guess the world is gonna end?

[ThePaladin]

well since nobody claimed witched yesterday i suppose now somebody knows he's a drug dealer , gj comfirming a scum's role TDL

Drug Dealer

At night you may visit someone, removing any feedback they receive.
You receive any feedback they should receive.

Chain of logic please?

[GameFreak]

Drug Dealer

At night you may visit someone, removing any feedback they receive.
You receive any feedback they should receive.

Chain of logic please?

thought we had a role that gave fake feedback

[Spruance]

-vote secondpassing

With so many mostly confirmed roles we might as well start with people who haven't claimed.

[TheDarkestLight]

well since nobody claimed witched yesterday i suppose now somebody knows he's a drug dealer , gj comfirming a scum's role TDL

Actually... considering we only have one roleblock claim today but had two yesterday, that suggests the DD knew who he was and chose the feedbacks specifically. Literally it would be confirmed D1 because if he chose for the target to have RB feedback and he got it, he knows he's Drug Dealer. Unless it just so happened to be randomized to roleblock, but that really seems like a fake feedback a DD would want to pass out.

[ThePaladin]

thought we had a role that gave fake feedback

No it just gives no feedback if you are drugged.

Also you do bring up a fair point.

Why did no one claim witched on n1/d2?

[TheDarkestLight]

Drug Dealer

At night you may visit someone, removing any feedback they receive.
You receive any feedback they should receive.

Chain of logic please?

Oh shit, even I misread that. Well, that's lovely. Guess we have a real Witch then.

[ThePaladin]

Am I the only one who bothered to read the setup.....

[ThePaladin]

Do you not understand?

Witch doesn't know any other scum.

If witch thought you were scum adn claimed bd she had to specify 2 targets, you and someone else.

Someone else wouldn't confirm the claim since it never happened.

Therefore it would be equivalent to gamethrowing.

Explain how your gambit would work given this.

[Unknown1234]

I think DD is much more likely because Witch can't be roleblocked.

[TheDarkestLight]

I think DD is much more likely because Witch can't be roleblocked.

Rofl, this is still going.

[ThePaladin]

Since no one has gotten their alignment confirmed or at least claimed it. I think its fair to say that we don't have an Asylum Director.

[ThePaladin]

I think DD is much more likely because Witch can't be roleblocked.

There is no evidence of a drug dealer

READ THE ROLE CARD

[TheDarkestLight]

Am I the only one who bothered to read the setup.....

I looked at potential roles. I saw roles that had names I recognized and assumed they worked how they usually worked. Same with OoO. Not used to Witch being the first, normally they come after Bus Drivers.

[TheDarkestLight]

Since no one has gotten their alignment confirmed or at least claimed it. I think its fair to say that we don't have an Asylum Director.

Bro, it's a confirmed role we have. We HAVE to have one.

[TheDarkestLight]

Since no one has gotten their alignment confirmed or at least claimed it. I think its fair to say that we don't have an Asylum Director.

Also, you're jumping to conclusions when not everyone has checked in. Look at yzb and RLVG.

[ThePaladin]

Bro, it's a confirmed role we have. We HAVE to have one.

Wait then why is no one claiming they got alignment confirmed?

[TheDarkestLight]

Wait then why is no one claiming they got alignment confirmed?

Already explained it.

[ThePaladin]

Also, you're jumping to conclusions when not everyone has checked in. Look at yzb and RLVG.

No one confirmed alignment on d2, the action happens every night.

Is asylum director alignment confirmation affected by roleblocked?

[ThePaladin]

Do you not understand?

Witch doesn't know any other scum.

If witch thought you were scum adn claimed bd she had to specify 2 targets, you and someone else.

Someone else wouldn't confirm the claim since it never happened.

Therefore it would be equivalent to gamethrowing.

Bump for 3rd time.

[Iced_Monopoly]

Wait then why is no one claiming they got alignment confirmed?

They have. D1 Spruance claimed AC, then D2 he claimed he was revealed to be citizen by the AD, which is how we came to sending Taek to spruance N2 to convert him to mason.

[TheDarkestLight]

No one confirmed alignment on d2, the action happens every night.

Is asylum director alignment confirmation affected by roleblocked?

Perhaps it was Kovath? Only explanation I have since it has to be a member of the town. Also, Gyrlander claimed it and all, suggesting we don't have one suggests he is scum. But we have to have one.

[TheDarkestLight]

They have. D1 Spruance claimed AC, then D2 he claimed he was revealed to be citizen by the AD, which is how we came to sending Taek to spruance N2 to convert him to mason.

Oh, derp. Everyone is fucking up this game.

[ThePaladin]

They have. D1 Spruance claimed AC, then D2 he claimed he was revealed to be citizen by the AD, which is how we came to sending Taek to spruance N2 to convert him to mason.

AD confirms alignment, not role.

AC confirms role.

Spruance was visited by AC not AD.

They give 2 seperate pieces of feedback.

Spoiler : Asylum Counselor :


You decided to provide some much needed counseling to an inmate last night.



After a long counseling session from the Asylum Staff, you have been diagnosed of being a Lunatic. Your true calling is a XXX.







Spoiler : Asylum Director :


After hearing the directors soothing voice at day break, you now know that you truly have Misguided Motives.



After hearing the directors rage inducing voice at day break, you now know that you must have Sinister Motives.

[ThePaladin]

Perhaps it was Kovath? Only explanation I have since it has to be a member of the town. Also, Gyrlander claimed it and all, suggesting we don't have one suggests he is scum. But we have to have one.

"True roles will be revealed upon death."

No one has flipped AD.