Norway has this new law today that anyone can change gender without medical treatment and psychologic evaluation.
So today seven of my friends changed gender.
REAL LIFE DISGUISERS EVERYWHERE
Norway has this new law today that anyone can change gender without medical treatment and psychologic evaluation.
So today seven of my friends changed gender.
REAL LIFE DISGUISERS EVERYWHERE
As in if I lived in Norway, I could just file that I believe I am actually a female, and that is that?
Does this mean males can claim to be female and enter female sports competitions, facilities, etc.?
Assuming this is a real law?
Yes, it's that simple.
It's going to be real hell though when "men" suddenly enters female lockers, bathrooms and et cetera though.
It's a real law that's become active / launched today.
That is the problem I have. If we look at topics like gay marriage, it only involves those people so who cares what they do, it does not involve anyone else. This law will make females very uncomfortable in public places such as locker rooms, or restrooms. Sports could be affected. The average male lifter would be an instant elite level powerlifter, mma would be obviously bad, etc.
Did you ever take a minute to consider how very uncomfortable a transgender person would be going into the washroom they feel they don't belong in?
And you can imagine a child trying to cope with these feelings, or someone who has been battling these feelings for their entire life.
You really can't argue against minority rights when you're most likely a Hetero White Male Middle Class Christian (or self described Atheist from Christian background).
I'm not familar with Norwegian legal code, so...
Was their a previous law that did recognize people's changed gender who changed genders but only for those who underwent the medical procedure?
From what I've seen, most people who psychologically think they are the other gender actually end up going through the procedure(if it is available and affordable to them) rather than the new androgynous" and spur of the moment gender-identity shifts caused by gender role responsibilities, depression, etc.
Before you were required to be psychologically evaluated for 2 years, with you "being the correct role" full-time for those two years, for the doctors to tell you if they're "convinced" or if they tell you to quit and not bother. Those with Aspergers / Autism had to wait an average of 5 years.
After that, you could finaly get medical treatment that would take a minimum of 2 years before surgery were an option, this surgery enabled the legal change.
So "normal" people are 4 years without having their genders changed, "non normal" people 7 to 10 years.
This gave Norway an extremely bad reputation on this field because the "Theory" are outdated by the 50s, only 3 persons back in Oslo are making the decision and they're doing stereotyping too literal that it's a plain joke.
That's the reason for this new law - skip the process and get the legal stuff worked on right away, but personally I think the new law is just too open. Why should minors get this without psychologic evaluation?
I understand adults who can make proper decisions by themselves however.
That is scary.
This is stupid. Psychological evaluation or not, no one should be allowed to change genders. Why are we patting transexuals on the back and saying it's okay to have a mental illness instead of trying to help them change their ways?
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From a biological standpoint "splitting" the human race in half based on sex is and was necessary for reproduction and survival, Just like how any other species typically recognizes the difference in sex
Should both halves be considered equal, yes.
But any 2 people in a relationship probably would think its awkward to not recognize each others genders lol
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Fromthis perspective/logic we can argue that relationships incolving an infertile person is bad or even relationships in which they dont want to have kids is bad
Also there are homosexual relationships in nature
The whole lgbt movement isnt as much as promoting(exluding some people) homosexuality as it is believing that one type of relationship shouldnt be a le to have better rights than another
If heterosexual marriage didnt give benefits such as on taxes in most countries and it wasnt seen as a crime(in soem countries) or be criticized/bullied to the point of driving people to suicide then it wouldnt be nearly as much as an issue
I would never change gender 0-0
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[I haven't known many LGBT people, so I may be missing a crucial detail]
I never understood the need of some of these people to be *completely* acknowledged under the law, even in areas where it will be more of a hindrance to their life than a benefit.
The girl's changing room example probably isn't happening in Norway, but let's suppose it was - Why on earth, as a male-to-female trans., do I care so much about getting to go to the girl's changing room? I have used the boy's my entire life, and am likely more comfortable when I'm in the boy's. Frankly, the only reason to get changed in the girl's and make the girls uncomfortable is just so I don't have to deal with the implication that someone has rejected my female gender. But so what? Big fucking deal. I know internally I'm a girl anyway.
The same goes with gay marriage. Most of the developed countries that rejected gay marriage still offered civil partnerships - which seemed to be legally nearly the exact same, just a different word so as not to piss off christians by stealing and misusing their ritual. Yet, all these gay pride movements hardcore-campaigned over an implication of not being a "true marriage".
Caring so much about the implication is moronic for obvious reasons. Maybe it just gives them something to bitch about, but it's still a waste of time, pretty much. Of course, the girls squeeling at the sight of a naked man (a completely natural phenomenon) just because they're conditioned to think "no clothes = sex" are just as moronic, and the christians throwing a hissy fit because gay people like their ritual are also just as moronic.
People try to make this into a far grander issue than it is. "The trannies are taking over! If we send the wrong message babies will stop coming by next generation!" or "The right wing scum are regularly beating LGBTs to death and sucking their blood! We must have gay marriage!". Though it's true sometimes there's an isolated incident of something terrible happening on one side like a 14 year old getting pressured into changing gender and then killing themselves, or homophobes putting a homosexual through therapy that makes them kill themselves, this issue is still really insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
Ultimately, it just seems everyone needs to grow the fuck up.
You do realize that LGBT suicide rates are a lot higher than heterosexual suicide rates right? That's fact. Are you also aware about LGBT teen homelessness? That while 1.6% of the population identifies as LGBT, a startling 30-40% of homeless TEENS identify as LGBT. Like these these teens don't need to just "grow the fuck up", they are literally being disowned by their families.
This is a much more serious issue than you are making it out to be. Ignorant is what you are.
https://nationalhomeless.org/issues/lgbt/
Last edited by BananaCucho; July 2nd, 2016 at 09:38 AM.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
The cogent issue is whether or not gender fluid people can change back to what gender they feel they are on that day. If not then the same problems will continue to arise.
So much ignorance in this thread. A lot of comments from people who have no idea what they're talking about. Ffs.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Its ignorance. People are scared of what they don't understand. And instead of educating themselves they spew ignorant comments that their politicians or religious leaders or parents or someone has said because it "made sense" to them even though it is devoid of fact.
Like "evolution doesn't support homosexuality" is an ignorant comment when nature has actually exhibited homosexual behavior in many observed species. But fuck science right?
Last edited by BananaCucho; July 2nd, 2016 at 09:19 AM.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
That's the problem with this law is that it can very easily involve a lot of people. Gay marriage is fine because two people get married and you don't have to deal with it. People are now able to just claim a gender and enter places they were previously not allowed to, making others uncomfortable, etc.
The problem is people abusing the system due to the lack of barrier. It is very reasonable for a woman to be afraid of creepy men just entering the locker rooms/restrooms. It has nothing to do with being a bigot, but with people being able to switch their gender without effort to something they don't believe they are.
I like how people's logic is saying we shouldn't support it because it's a mental illness. Even if for some fucked up reason you relate LGBT w/ mental illness, why wouldn't you support someone with a mental illness? That is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
if it does not negtivly efect you why does it matter what sex someone believe they are
Also a lot of misunderstanding of what is gender and what is sex. Sex is biological, gender is a social construct. If a biologically born male believes they should have been born female, their gender is female while their sex is male.
That's why some get SEX changes - to align their sex with their gender.
Because fuck ignorance guys, you're on the internet already.
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
People already change themselves in so many different ways because of many different reasons. If someone is utterly disgusted with themselves, wouldn't you say they have the right to strive for a change and not be victimized for it?