M-FM Overwatch

[M-FM Zenyatta]

Just like the Day1 hammer?

I WROTE A VERY BIG POST BUT YOU BITCH HAMMERED FIRST.

[M-FM Winston]

Town reads:

Lucio
Mei
Reign
Zarya

These are my most confident reads, so they are not to be taken lightly.

"MCCREE IS TOWN GUYS I'M SURE OF IT

But not most confidently sure."

[M-FM McCree]

"MCCREE IS TOWN GUYS I'M SURE OF IT

But not most confidently sure."

D:

[M-FM Winston]

D:

He's scum, you've been duped kid. Vote him.

[M-FM McCree]

quick Quick append me to your list plox

[M-FM Tracer]

Yes yes Reaper's posts suck a ball pit of dicks. Not much more to say here.

[M-FM Reaper]

Wow after all this and I'm not on there? bm bm bm

Scum can make the kind of play you are making for townie pts. You are sooo confident that I am town and as a new player. Scum can do this.

[M-FM Hanzo]

Wow after all this and I'm not on there? bm bm bm

Steal the hammer would ya?

[M-FM Zenyatta]

@M-FM Reaper

Now Scum reads, plz

[M-FM McCree]

He's scum, you've been duped kid. Vote him.

You have the votes you don't need to gloat

[M-FM Winston]

Scum can make the kind of play you are making for townie pts. You are sooo confident that I am town and as a new player. Scum can do this.

Then why the fuck are you not voting him

[M-FM Hanzo]

-vote M-FM Reapar

[M-FM McCree]

Steal the hammer would ya?

Why would his defense attorney vote guilty?

[M-FM Zenyatta]

-vote M-FM Reapar

Reapar? o.o

ERM... TRACER HAS LEFT SO I THINK I WILL GIVE THE POWER OF SAYING ANACONDA TO BANANA

[M-FM Reaper]

Winston is my strongest Scum read. He was Null, but hasn't scum hunted and just went along with any lynch that wasn't him.

[M-FM McCree]

-vote M-FM Reaper

2 much bm

[M-FM Hanzo]

Reapar? o.o

ERM... TRACER HAS LEFT SO I THINK I WILL GIVE THE POWER OF SAYING ANACONDA TO BANANA

Fuck.

[M-FM Hanzo]

-vote M-FM Reaper

[The Godfather]

M-FM Reaper has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


M-FM Pharah (1 [L-9]): M-FM Mei
M-FM Widowmaker (1 [L-9]): M-FM Zarya
M-FM Hanzo (1 [L-9]): M-FM Reaper
M-FM Reaper (10 [L-0]): M-FM Pharah, M-FM Tracer, M-FM Winston, M-FM Soldier 76, M-FM Widowmaker, M-FM Lucio, M-FM Hanzo, M-FM McCree, M-FM Roadhog, M-FM Junkrat
M-FM McCree (2 [L-8]): M-FM Reinhardt, M-FM Torbjorn
M-FM Reinhardt (1 [L-9]): M-FM Bastion
M-FM Roadhog (1 [L-9]): M-FM Zenyatta

[Firebringer]

Night 2:

The citizens of the Overwatch gathered together and Lynched M-FM Reaper

M-FM Reaper was Lynched they were Town!

Spoiler : Role :

Defense Role:

Citizen

You have no night abilities

Offense Role:

Citizen

You have no night abilities

Support Role:

Citizen

You have no night abilities

They left no last will

Player List	Alignments	Dead Zone
M-FM Bastion M-FM Genji M-FM Hanzo M-FM Junkrat M-FM Lucio M-FM McCree M-FM Mei M-FM Mercy M-FM Pharah M-FM Reaper M-FM Reinhardt M-FM Roadhog M-FM Soldier 76 M-FM Symmetra M-FM Torbjorn M-FM Tracer M-FM Widowmaker M-FM Winston M-FM Zarya M-FM Zenyatta	Hidden Town Citizen/Citizen/BusDriver Hidden Town Citizen/Blacksmith/Spy Hidden Town Citizen/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town/Omnic Omnic Omnic Omnic Omnic	M-FM Mercy, Lynched Day 1, Town Cit/Cit/BD M-FM Genji, Died Night 1, Town Cit/BS/Spy M-FM Reaper, Lynched Day 2, Town Cit/Cit/Cit

The night has begun. Reminder that everyone alive can vote for a different game mode. If you have a night action please submit it to me an hour before deadline.

Night Ends:

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[Firebringer]

Day 3:

Active Game Mode: Assault
Reminder that only your Offense role card will be active today and tonight.
You will vote for a new game mode during night or can vote for same mode.

A journal article was published last night:

Spoiler : Journal Article :

im a triple cit lol.

Someone died last night. M-FM Pharah didn't make it through the night.
They were Town!

Spoiler : Role :

Defense Role:

Citizen

You have no night abilities

Offense Role:

Coroner

Action: Target one dead player at night, learning their true role and last will.

Support Role:

Sheriff

Action: Check one player at night, learning their alignment.

They left a last will:

Spoiler : Last will :

everything I have noted is already posted.
sorry i lied about coroner. i was saving it to a counter for lookout. and i would of been lynched for claiming it.
so please target that player whom claimed lookout.
went to check Zarya n2.

Player List	Alignments	Dead Zone
M-FM Bastion M-FM Genji M-FM Hanzo M-FM Junkrat M-FM Lucio M-FM McCree M-FM Mei M-FM Mercy M-FM Pharah M-FM Reaper M-FM Reinhardt M-FM Roadhog M-FM Soldier 76 M-FM Symmetra M-FM Torbjorn M-FM Tracer M-FM Widowmaker M-FM Winston M-FM Zarya M-FM Zenyatta	Hidden Town Citizen/Citizen/BusDriver Hidden Town Citizen/Blacksmith/Spy Hidden Town Citizen/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Citizen/Coroner/Sheriff Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town Hidden Town/Omnic Omnic Omnic Omnic Omnic	M-FM Mercy, Lynched Day 1, Town Cit/Cit/BD M-FM Genji, Died Night 1, Town Cit/BS/Spy M-FM Reaper, Lynched Day 2, Town Cit/Cit/Cit M-FM Pharah, Died Night 2, Town Cit/Cor/Sher

With 16 Left Alive, It Takes 9 votes to hammer.

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[M-FM Hanzo]

So I actually wanted to die last night, thanks a lot.

[M-FM Roadhog]

So @M-FM Tracer , ready to respond to my questions?

You've led two mislynches and spend far more time trying to see people as scum than on trying to get an accurate read.

-vote M-FM Tracer

[M-FM Hanzo]

So @M-FM Tracer , ready to respond to my questions?

You've led two mislynches and spend far more time trying to see people as scum than on trying to get an accurate read.

-vote M-FM Tracer

Why do you think they aren't trying to get an accurate read?

[M-FM Roadhog]

I received no feedback and voted for the Assault stage last night. Given how our dead seem to not have had power roles in Escort mode and I suspect we have power roles in all three modes, I intend to vote for Escort mode tonight, and I encourage you all to do the same.

[M-FM Zenyatta]

Best Journal Article EUW/NA

[M-FM Hanzo]

Best Journal Article EUW/NA

I don't understand.

[M-FM Roadhog]

Why do you think they aren't trying to get an accurate read?

As I've explained in a previous post, because her posts ignore possible town motivation and instead only see how well a scum narrative can fit her selected target. Scum want to mislynch town by making them look like scum; town, on the other hand, need to be on the lookout for both town and scum motivations in order to lynch accurately. Tracer's analyses fit much more the profile of the former than the latter.

[M-FM Roadhog]

I have to be off for now. Zenyatta, I'm appointing you in charge of making sure Tracer responds to post 2989.

[M-FM Mei]

I have to agree that Tracer is scum. I've believed so since day one, did yesterday, and still do today. She is scum, point, blank done.

Here's my read on her from my last will.



Don't trust Tracer, at all. Perhaps she's just fucking terrible with reads, but don't trust that logic. It seems more likely that she's trying to mislynch as many people as possible. She might say "Oh, why would Scum try so hard to get a mislynch?" Well, the answer to that is because then they get to say shit exactly like that to look town.

And the way she goes about reading people is scummy. She focuses on lurkers and seems to attempt to guide the town to only read into a few specific people of her choice and seems to make every attack against her by these people out into "salty scum who are OMGUSing." She doesn't consider any potential town motivation from anyone whom she scums reads, she just goes straight into assuming everything they do is purely scum motivation. She literally went out of her way to brag about how she thinks she has all the scum and then they just so happen to all be... lurkers... who are only active when pressured. I've already noted the flaws in her logic as she says that since the Mercy train D1 didn't have a sudden influx of votes then the scum must not have been active together and thus are likely lurkers. This is terrible logic that I could see a scum attempt to use to push attention away from potential allies, as if her allies are among the more active posters... then well... they aren't getting any serious attention. This also could potentially fit in Zenyatta on her team as Zeny seems to be an odd sheep of hers and Tracer then defends him and pushes pressure away from him with nothing but META. "Oh, that's Gyrloser, he acts like this all the time and it's NAI. Ignore him." This is fucking God awful logic and should make the both of them look that much scummier. A town person wouldn't be ignoring anyone for any reason, especially not Meta. Speaking of Meta, she seems to have an obsession with it, and consistently uses it for her defense in ways like "I do this as scum and town. Gosh" "I've actually done this as town before," and etc. I can't find any legitimate defenses of herself. But just to repeat a previous point, she doesn't heavily scum hunt active people and only scum hunts lurkers, which basically means she's trying to read the easiest people to paint as scum. Kinda scummish, especially since it's been her focus for the entire game up to now.

She discarded the Lucio/Hanzo situation as a TvT and attempted to pretty much shut down any discussion about it. I would suggest looking at Lucio/Hanzo as there is a good chance one, or both are scum, as I wouldn't put a gambit like that past them. She seems to be trying to shut down any coordination of town TPRs, likely because they're a potential threat to her and her scum team.

Also, Tracer never did respond to my response to her response of my read on her (gotta love the word response). Perhaps that's just her conveniently "forgetting", but I doubt it.

-vote M-FM Tracer

[M-FM Hanzo]

Mei why are you invisible? This is irrelevant but besides the point. I'll comment in a sec.

[M-FM Mei]

Mei why are you invisible? This is irrelevant but besides the point. I'll comment in a sec.

I never turn off my computer, even when I'm not at home. It would make it appear I'm around 24/7 when I'm really not.

[M-FM Torbjorn]

Not a very useful night for me. boo.

anyway, we're NEVER going to go escort mode, roadhog, as that's the stage scum want.

-vote m-fm symmetra

[M-FM Mei]

Not a very useful night for me. boo.

anyway, we're NEVER going to go escort mode, roadhog, as that's the stage scum want.

-vote m-fm symmetra

Terrible logic. We don't even know if that is what happened. You are under the assumption that scum were coordinated, when they don't necessarily have to be. They could be piss poor and seperated for all we know. This is a terrible idea and one I could easily see scum having.

Seems like all you've been doing all game is providing relatively poor reads and attempting to push forward your agenda on making sure we have the mode you want us to have. I'm thinking you're scum who wants to make sure the scum have the roles they need when they need them.

[M-FM Hanzo]

I have to agree that Tracer is scum. I've believed so since day one, did yesterday, and still do today. She is scum, point, blank done.

Here's my read on her from my last will.



Don't trust Tracer, at all. Perhaps she's just fucking terrible with reads, but don't trust that logic. It seems more likely that she's trying to mislynch as many people as possible. She might say "Oh, why would Scum try so hard to get a mislynch?" Well, the answer to that is because then they get to say shit exactly like that to look town.

And the way she goes about reading people is scummy. She focuses on lurkers and seems to attempt to guide the town to only read into a few specific people of her choice and seems to make every attack against her by these people out into "salty scum who are OMGUSing." She doesn't consider any potential town motivation from anyone whom she scums reads, she just goes straight into assuming everything they do is purely scum motivation. She literally went out of her way to brag about how she thinks she has all the scum and then they just so happen to all be... lurkers... who are only active when pressured. I've already noted the flaws in her logic as she says that since the Mercy train D1 didn't have a sudden influx of votes then the scum must not have been active together and thus are likely lurkers. This is terrible logic that I could see a scum attempt to use to push attention away from potential allies, as if her allies are among the more active posters... then well... they aren't getting any serious attention. This also could potentially fit in Zenyatta on her team as Zeny seems to be an odd sheep of hers and Tracer then defends him and pushes pressure away from him with nothing but META. "Oh, that's Gyrloser, he acts like this all the time and it's NAI. Ignore him." This is fucking God awful logic and should make the both of them look that much scummier. A town person wouldn't be ignoring anyone for any reason, especially not Meta. Speaking of Meta, she seems to have an obsession with it, and consistently uses it for her defense in ways like "I do this as scum and town. Gosh" "I've actually done this as town before," and etc. I can't find any legitimate defenses of herself. But just to repeat a previous point, she doesn't heavily scum hunt active people and only scum hunts lurkers, which basically means she's trying to read the easiest people to paint as scum. Kinda scummish, especially since it's been her focus for the entire game up to now.

She discarded the Lucio/Hanzo situation as a TvT and attempted to pretty much shut down any discussion about it. I would suggest looking at Lucio/Hanzo as there is a good chance one, or both are scum, as I wouldn't put a gambit like that past them. She seems to be trying to shut down any coordination of town TPRs, likely because they're a potential threat to her and her scum team.

Also, Tracer never did respond to my response to her response of my read on her (gotta love the word response). Perhaps that's just her conveniently "forgetting", but I doubt it.

-vote M-FM Tracer

I don't think her leading the town has anything to do with her allignment anyways. This is how she plays, have you taken a look at Mafia wars 2? After she lynched me she went ahead with two other Lynches that ended poorly, it's not something I see as a big deal. Do you think town Calix would be playing differently by this logic?

Reaper had more posts then you, is that what you call a lurker. McCree also has enough posts to not really consider him a lurker. Mercy wasn't really a lurker either. So do you REALLY think those three players were lurker focused? Because I don't. You wanna know how I feel? It feels like it's easier for you to lynch someone that just led two mislynches, and for the record I led the Reaper wagon not Tracer, so if your going to mis rep people then you should be blaming me for that lynch. REAPER was NOt pro-town, I can't see any reason to town-read him at that point. Also, if you certainly think me and/or Lucio are scum you should explain why and then vote one of us. Hearing this nonsense your talking about is coming out of nowhere and doesn't make any sense. Why is it a good chance anyways? Both of us have legitimate role claims so I hope you can provide more then that.

I can already tell what I'm about to hear, "wow look at Hanzo coming to Tracers side" well I defend people I think are town a lot so get over it.

[M-FM Mei]

I don't think her leading the town has anything to do with her allignment anyways. This is how she plays, have you taken a look at Mafia wars 2? After she lynched me she went ahead with two other Lynches that ended poorly, it's not something I see as a big deal. Do you think town Calix would be playing differently by this logic?

Reaper had more posts then you, is that what you call a lurker. McCree also has enough posts to not really consider him a lurker. Mercy wasn't really a lurker either. So do you REALLY think those three players were lurker focused? Because I don't. You wanna know how I feel? It feels like it's easier for you to lynch someone that just led two mislynches, and for the record I led the Reaper wagon not Tracer, so if your going to mis rep people then you should be blaming me for that lynch. REAPER was NOt pro-town, I can't see any reason to town-read him at that point. Also, if you certainly think me and/or Lucio are scum you should explain why and then vote one of us. Hearing this nonsense your talking about is coming out of nowhere and doesn't make any sense. Why is it a good chance anyways? Both of us have legitimate role claims so I hope you can provide more then that.

I can already tell what I'm about to hear, "wow look at Hanzo coming to Tracers side" well I defend people I think are town a lot so get over it.

You called what I was gonna say. Gotta say, it's quite interesting. I've yet to see you defend anyone as you just defended Tracer, there is so much aggression in this post it's not even funny. Why is it so aggressive? Seems quite odd to me imo.

But let's look at your post shall we?

You use the same defense she uses. Meta. That makes that entire paragraph invalid. This game matters, not past ones. If you want me to use meta, she is hyped up to be some God tier player... if she is... why isn't she getting scum after scum? I could see it easily as scum trying to accomplish it via mislynch. See? Meta is fucking garbage, if you're gonna defend your scum buddy, do it better. I see I still have much to teach you about playing scum.

Because there is no such thing as active lurking? Look at the content of Reaper's posts. Garbage, crap and shit. Look at Mercy... Garbage, crap and shit. McCree? You guessed it... garbage, crap and shit. Also, let's not forget how she SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT ALL THE SCUM ARE LURKERS. She doesn't even fucking consider any active people save people who town read the people she scum reads, such as me D1 with Mercy, and literally everyone who defended Widowmaker, Reaper or McCree D2. She tunnels endlessly. She doesn't consider any town motivation from any player she is reading, which basically is saying she doesn't care to read someone as town or scum, just as long as the person gets lynched. As town, this is a fucking horrible way to play, as scum, it's a good way to get mislynches off.

Yeah, you led the Reaper wagon, but she fucking made it take off. She tried to make a bunch of lurker trains take off and got lucky with Reaper.

You and/or Lucio are likely scum because I simply see your claim as too convenient. You claimed double BP so as to discourage any Vigilante and get away with Sheriff checks... Lucio just so happened to walk into a BP? I doubt it, math says otherwise. Also, there is the fact Tracer seemingly didn't even want any discussion on the matter, with comments like "I fucking hate night actions" and the like. As a town you want to take advantage of every possible resource you have, and a night action is a very powerful resource that I only see a scum as wanting to discredit, which she's been doing all game whenever night actions come up. And as for why I don't vote you or Lucio? It's quite simple, she is a MUCH stronger scum read. This seems like an attempt to divert my attention away from Tracer. Noted.

And you didn't counter my other points. Also, it would be lovely if you could explain why you townread Tracer. All I've seen is "meta from a previous game about how she pushed mislynches as town."

[M-FM Tracer]

Obligatory check-in post and I'm currently half-asleep as its 12.30 so will respond more eloquently in the morning. Have a post or two I want to drop off first for everyone's consideration but wasn't around much Saturday so not too much to show here. Some parts are reacting to Roadhog's wall-post against me but an actual response to the post itself will be up when I wake up.

Mei's posts are terrible though. "If she's town why hasn't she found scum by D2" (from the guy who has ONLY scum-read two town players), misrepping how Reaper got MLed (it was a last-minute switch away from McCree, not me 'getting lucky' - and he weirdly characterises him as a lurker...?), claiming that me saying Hanzo/ Lucio is TvT makes me scum even though he ALSO has no case against you two, calling tunneling a scum tell (when that's NAI) and "her meta is LITERALLY IRRELEVANT"

Saying that night actions suck is a scum tell now? This is coming from someone who bemoans players who rely too much on night actions.

He's also trying to use Hanzo being aggressive as a scum tell...after using his [Mei's] own aggression as a reason to town-read Mei.

Just bad bad bad.

[M-FM Tracer]

#1

Although my tunneling has helped generate reactions from other players, I'm going to stop doing it before it disrupts our chances of winning. If 3,000 posts isn't enough to find the scum then I don't know what is.

The only good thing about mislynching Reaper was that it forced me to reconsider my tunnel vision. Even though I still find McCree and Widowmaker to be scum, I am not going to spam the thread in my attempts to lynch them today. I'd like to generate more discussion from other players who seem to be playing catch-up.

I intend on rereading the thread more with regards to Mercy/ Reaper's mislynches to see if I can find any self-conscious behaviour or odd levels of certainty with regards to players' reads on Mercy/ Reaper. Because we know that both of them are town, this is the best avenue to find things such as logical gaps in reasoning or a desire to avoid being implicated with a mislynch.

[M-FM Tracer]

#2

Here is one example of suspicious behaviour relating to both Mercy and Reaper. (post focuses on Mercy/ Day 1 as an example)

-vote M-FM Zenyatta

Spoiler : This is the SECOND mislynch which he has avoided voting for. Instead he prefers to troll even harder during crunch time. Such behaviour looks like he is trying to shirk accountability for a mislynch because that would draw too much attention to him. In general, his behaviour means he doesn't have to contribute properly to the chat.

This is especially notable given the following comments :

I said I "must" vote someone because the only power I've is that one. Instead of wasting it and not using it anywhere I should put it on someone to hopefully result in some effect on the game.

[CONTEXT: Explaining one of the first votes on Mercy. He later takes this off when Mercy becomes a train and does not vote him again]

Spoiler : His explanation for saying he couldn't "paint" Soldier as scum doesn't add up. (blamed language issues - saying that he meant "see" instead of "paint" - even though the two words aren't similar and he has no problem using correct English the majority of the time)

Nullifies pressure on Mercy by calling it a pressure vote. He later gives a troll reason for voting Mercy ("I always play Mercy on OW") - those two explanations do NOT mesh. Either it's a troll vote or one intended to pressure and he tried to use both explanations. :

Soldier 76 is in general a weird person and everytime I read his posts and... I feel like he doesn't show anything... This is purely feelings

My fucking God I've stated before that I want to pressure Mercy, not lynch her. As I said it probably has to be with that I love her <3 Beautiful hero and MY MAINNN

Meh I said soldier because it's the one that gives me a weird feeling but I can't paint him as scum 100%. I'm voting Mercy for the pressure and because I didn't want to waste my vote.

I townread you because.... LOOK AT MY AVATAR.

Spoiler : Conforms with what I want instead of defending his original stance. This is something scum would do as it reduces the chance of them being drawn into a confrontation. Possible that he just realised that it would make his vote more worthwhile but given that his stated reasons for not wanting to lynch Mercy are troll (and given the more damning evidence of his vote patterns) I am leaning towards a desire to fit in :

1- Good point. THEN I WANT HER LYNCHEDD

[CONTEXT: Responding to me calling him out on calling his vote a pressure vote]

Spoiler : The case for Zenyatta being scum becomes stronger when you take these quotes into account. Instead of stubbornly keeping a stance because he believes it, his reasoning is that voting for Mercy would "contradict" an earlier post he made. Notice the focus on how he appears over determining Mercy's alignment.

He shows NO progression in his read on Mercy, just blind adherence to keeping his story straight. This is the mindset of someone who already KNOWS what Mercy's alignment is and thus has no natural curiosity about how Mercy's lynch will turn out :

I prefer to vote someone that will certainly not get lynched than voting people that I don't want to.

Why should I vote Mercy? That would contradict what I said about prefering no lynch than players that I don't want dead. However, I also said that if most people someone I will accept that maybe my thinking is wrong. If Mercy is near hammering I'll vote her.

Spoiler : OMGUS scum-reads on everyone who suspects him with no variation. Shows no desire to improve his play or use his "lynchbait" status to find scum

Should be noted that one of his scum-reads (Soldier) is a player who has consistently expressed suspicions of Zenyatta's alignment :

So, some people say I'm scum But the Best they can do is saying "OMG scum" or "I'm willing to lynch this player for useless" or something like that. From my point of view, this looks like people trying to make either fake easy reads using my.. special way of being or just that they are scum and want to start an easy train on me? I'm really disappointed and that's been noted.

[M-FM Tracer]

#3

ZENYATTA TL;DR

I see consistent scum motivation with the following:

• Avoiding accountability for every mislynch that has happened so far
• Conforming with what people want from him
• Avoidance of giving substantial reads that would reveal any logical gaps
• Concern with how 'consistent' he is seen in the chat that overrides his desire to find the scum
• Reactive scum-reads of players who scum-read him

All of this could explain his excessive trolling (it means people have lower standards for him + he has an excuse for not giving proper reads), although one has to wonder why he would risk the attention that said trolling would draw in the first place. Still, nobody has managed to get much pressure going on him so he might feel that he can get away with it.

There is also the issue of the player behind it, seeing as shitty play is what everyone expects from him. Given my proven inability to separate poor play from scummy play, this is something I actually have to take into consideration. This is why I am focusing on how players react around dead townies as I'd like to reduce the odds of mislynching a shitty town player.

I am trying to take Roadhog's criticisms about not offering up potential town motivations into consideration (as not doing this meant that I mislynched Reaper) but I struggle to read town motivation in the landfill of trolling that is Zenyatta's posts. Until I took a closer look at his posts, I didn't even think he was playing the game.

[M-FM Tracer]

#4

In terms of how players have defended themselves, I find McCree, Zenyatta and Mei to be guilty of having too much self-awareness.

Zenyatta's conformity and concerns about looking consistent suggest he is fearful of slipping up in his posts and isn't posting his thoughts naturally. Scum would care more about keeping their story straight and would be more inclined to check before posting anything that could draw unnecessary ire to him.

McCree constantly uses "I can't be mafia because I do X and scum wouldn't do X" as a defense, yet refuses to give legitimate reads and spent the entirety of yesterday fishing for an easy wagon (something he also used in his defense - why hadn't he voted for Reaper yet? He ended up voting Reaper because Reaper didn't town-read him strongly enough)

This suggests that he is aware of his image and cares more about "looking" town than actually working towards town's win condition. Entirely self-absorbed and only cares about his reputation.

Mei also does this with his "townie" aggression. Problem is, there's no reason for any rational townie to respond to my comment with the level of aggression that he did. Said aggression was then used to block my attempts at getting anything AI from him. Later, he goes on to say "aggression isn't a scum tell" and uses himself as the example of this. Again, if you're aware that you're being aggressive, it also ceases to become a town tell because you are not doing it naturally/ without being conscious of it.

If anything, it just makes it sound like Mei is being aggressive because it's "the townie thing to do" without any purpose to it. This could explain why he overreacted to my post the way he did - it was faked.

[M-FM Tracer]

Okay never mind, guess the sheer adrenaline rush from waking up shivering from dozing off on the couch has made me slightly more alert, lol.

Will respond to Roadhog now.

[M-FM Hanzo]

You called what I was gonna say. Gotta say, it's quite interesting. I've yet to see you defend anyone as you just defended Tracer, there is so much aggression in this post it's not even funny. Why is it so aggressive? Seems quite odd to me imo.

But let's look at your post shall we?

You use the same defense she uses. Meta. That makes that entire paragraph invalid. This game matters, not past ones. If you want me to use meta, she is hyped up to be some God tier player... if she is... why isn't she getting scum after scum? I could see it easily as scum trying to accomplish it via mislynch. See? Meta is fucking garbage, if you're gonna defend your scum buddy, do it better. I see I still have much to teach you about playing scum.

Because there is no such thing as active lurking? Look at the content of Reaper's posts. Garbage, crap and shit. Look at Mercy... Garbage, crap and shit. McCree? You guessed it... garbage, crap and shit. Also, let's not forget how she SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT ALL THE SCUM ARE LURKERS. She doesn't even fucking consider any active people save people who town read the people she scum reads, such as me D1 with Mercy, and literally everyone who defended Widowmaker, Reaper or McCree D2. She tunnels endlessly. She doesn't consider any town motivation from any player she is reading, which basically is saying she doesn't care to read someone as town or scum, just as long as the person gets lynched. As town, this is a fucking horrible way to play, as scum, it's a good way to get mislynches off.

Yeah, you led the Reaper wagon, but she fucking made it take off. She tried to make a bunch of lurker trains take off and got lucky with Reaper.

You and/or Lucio are likely scum because I simply see your claim as too convenient. You claimed double BP so as to discourage any Vigilante and get away with Sheriff checks... Lucio just so happened to walk into a BP? I doubt it, math says otherwise. Also, there is the fact Tracer seemingly didn't even want any discussion on the matter, with comments like "I fucking hate night actions" and the like. As a town you want to take advantage of every possible resource you have, and a night action is a very powerful resource that I only see a scum as wanting to discredit, which she's been doing all game whenever night actions come up. And as for why I don't vote you or Lucio? It's quite simple, she is a MUCH stronger scum read. This seems like an attempt to divert my attention away from Tracer. Noted.

And you didn't counter my other points. Also, it would be lovely if you could explain why you townread Tracer. All I've seen is "meta from a previous game about how she pushed mislynches as town."

The point of my aggression is because of how the game has been turning out. First we get one MIS-lynch on Mercy, then we end up getting Reaper being really stupid and losing another town (if it wasn't obvious from my first post I'm not happy) and now here YOU are looking highly Opportunistic simply because they just got involved in two MIS-Lynches. You went basically AWOL all of day 2 and then come back to make a huge wall post and then voting someone, it appears to be out of nowhere. Also, Meta isn't completely useless and the fact that you say that just makes me realize how wrong you are. When your scum-hunting you actually try to look for consistent patterns between play. I don't know what you mean by "got off" this just brought so much attention to her you act like it would be a way for them to get off clean. I personally don't think Reaper did that poorly day 1, and it sounds like your discrediting the dead people to make her look bad. She also almost started a train on Pharah, and I would consider Pharah to have played fairly well tobehonest. Also, your going after one of us based on Odds. Really, good plan. I cannot believe how you and many other people are going to make assumptions about how my claim is "bad" or "convenient" because when I actually HaVE this role Your basically saying I have no chance. You and many others make WAY too many assumptions, just last game I got MIS-lynched because people couldn't believe there were 3 Drug Dealers. Sure, this isn't the same, but nobody believed my claim due to the circumstances and it ended up me being town. I will be so happy to end up seeing this happen again this game. But okay, go along with your math. If Tracer flips town and you resort to the "Lucio or Hanzo is scum" I can see the game handed to the scum right there. I cannot say for sure if both of them are scum, but I honestly don't believe either of them are. By your logic, how would Lucio be considered scum? I didn't counter his claim because it's likely true since I DO show up as Mafia, and the fact that the chances of us being both scum and drawing this connection doesn't even make sense. Also, I didn't discourage any Vigilnates or Sheriffs. If they wanted to check me or shoot me they could have last night and see that I am town. So if they didn't, then how is this my problem? She is a much stronger scum read, huh? You seem to be implying a 1v1 between me and Lucio so you should be willing to pursue it to get at least "one scum" in your eyes.

I'm not going to counter every point you make, some of the other points were wasteful and I didn't have anything to say to them. My overall opinion is how you suddenly look so oppourtunistic about this and it's rather uncomfortable.

[M-FM Tracer]

I do like that you've explored this more; before I was quite uncomfortable with the fact that you were pointing out contradictions without saying why a contradiction would be scum-indicative. But I stand by my point about contradictions being largely NAI. This is mostly an empirical observation I have from playing games: towns 'slip' far more often than scum commit actual slips. Scum being self-aware makes them more likely to check their story, whereas a lot of towns will feel "OMG! You're dumb if you can't see I'm town!" and not check to see if they're actually being consistent. Sure, perhaps a particular contradiction can reveal insincerity, but overall I see it more in bad town than in any flavor of scum.

That's a fair view to take. More of an ideological difference although given that two players who I have accused of inconsistency have ended up being town, I'm more inclined in retrospect to be more generous towards inconsistencies.

Why not?

I find it strange because you ONLY refer to me by my COM name but not Banana, Stealth, Quick, etc.

Well, I suppose that's something to continue to improve on in the future, no? ;)

I'd like to work on it today because I don't want my tunneling to be the main reason town loses.

This is bad. If you look hard enough, you can find scum motivation in anyone. The question is how much the possible scum motivation outweighs the possible town motivation, not whether potential scum motivation exists. Looking for a "consistent scum narrative" is an attempt to justify a train you want to happen, not an attempt to judge if the train is actually worth it.

Disagree somewhat here. Scum are more informed and thus have a consistent agenda in their posts. So if someone seems to have a plausible scum motivation that spans across their posts then I'd be more inclined to pay attention to that. For example, McCree's constant defending of wagons, Reaper's seeming to try and line up lynches, Zenyatta's weird evasion of voting for the two mislynches on record so far.

Speaking of which, why do you think me LEADING two mislynches is scummy? Would scum not be more inclined to hide in the background? Yes, you COULD say that I'm power-wolfing but that also means that when I was saying "Reaper/ McCree/ Widowmaker are three of the scum" that I would be making that much of a ruckus all the while KNOWING I was about to be proven wrong on at least one of them.

This is a high-volume game that I still haven't caught up on. I'm not sure if I've seen any of Mei's posts tbh.

Let me know what you think when you catch up then. He's only scum-read Pharah and myself (who I know are both town) and today has accused Torbjorn and Hanzo/ Lucio (town-reads) so I don't like him much at the moment.

You do know what circumstantial evidence is, right? You're going to need a little more than just scumreading his 1v1 attempt to justify his work on Pharah. It can fit into a scum narrative, yes. But that's now how you find out if someone is scum or not. The fact that something can fit into a scum narrative does not mean that it is evidence for that narrative. This is precisely why I voted you: You're making a narrative without checking if you actually found scum. Scum has a lot of reason to do this, because their objective is to get mislynches off, not figure out alignments. Town, on the other hand, needs to find scum, not just lynch someone they can make a story on.

But that is how I scum-hunt, by finding narratives that would fit in well for scum to do. Granted it is rarely effective on D1. (look at the S-FMs I've been in - rarely correct in the early days - so that is not a tell for me at all) However, since you seem to be finding it hard to judge my levels of certainty, I'll include potential town motivations in future posts. It'll also reduce the chance of me getting worked up into a tunnel again.

[M-FM Zenyatta]

#4

In terms of how players have defended themselves, I find McCree, Zenyatta and Mei to be guilty of having too much self-awareness.

Zenyatta's conformity and concerns about looking consistent suggest he is fearful of slipping up in his posts and isn't posting his thoughts naturally. Scum would care more about keeping their story straight and would be more inclined to check before posting anything that could draw unnecessary ire to him.

McCree constantly uses "I can't be mafia because I do X and scum wouldn't do X" as a defense, yet refuses to give legitimate reads and spent the entirety of yesterday fishing for an easy wagon (something he also used in his defense - why hadn't he voted for Reaper yet? He ended up voting Reaper because Reaper didn't town-read him strongly enough)

This suggests that he is aware of his image and cares more about "looking" town than actually working towards town's win condition. Entirely self-absorbed and only cares about his reputation.

Mei also does this with his "townie" aggression. Problem is, there's no reason for any rational townie to respond to my comment with the level of aggression that he did. Said aggression was then used to block my attempts at getting anything AI from him. Later, he goes on to say "aggression isn't a scum tell" and uses himself as the example of this. Again, if you're aware that you're being aggressive, it also ceases to become a town tell because you are not doing it naturally/ without being conscious of it.

If anything, it just makes it sound like Mei is being aggressive because it's "the townie thing to do" without any purpose to it. This could explain why he overreacted to my post the way he did - it was faked.

Self-awareness? Oh, you Calix you. Let me go to have my daily haircut before answering you ;)

[M-FM Winston]

I am at a theme park so I haven't read everything and won't be able to until later

However I see there are votes on Tracer. I will not vote Tracer again this game EVER and will fight tooth and nail against a Tracer lynch. Anyone voting Tracer will be OMGUSed by me, and if she is lynched so help me God I will gamethrow, since stupid host denied my suicide request.

Carry on.

[M-FM Tracer]

Generally when the bulk of your defense consists of "scum wouldn't do this so I'm town" WIFOM, it makes me skeptical.

[M-FM Tracer]

Winston, please don't threaten to game-throw if I'm lynched. Dick move and also implies that I'll be getting mislynched.

[M-FM McCree]

lmao this will be the first game I get to use a night ability on sc2mafia ftw.

[M-FM Winston]

Winston, please don't threaten to game-throw if I'm lynched. Dick move and also implies that I'll be getting mislynched.

Quack