M-FM Overwatch

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:03 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Zenyatta

Even if you didn't ask, I'll vote him as well.

-vote M-FM McCree

Better to use the only power that I've.

Zenyatta voted McCree as Winston was trying to start a new train from McCree refusing to vote WM.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:06 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Zenyatta

With Part 1 I have no problem with your analysis Tracer, however, I cannot keep track of your analysis as it is so deep that I cannot catch much.

However, with Part 2 I read Widow's read on Pharah as I haven't did before because her analysis was too fucking long and only read mine, which, as I said, was completely uttershit. What she says about Pharah, I found it completely true. Pharah is a player that has done small comments asking people but not contributing much but when she is pressured she puts a wall-post. I see this is as an over-defensive attitude and I don't really like it (Really, it was the only thing that I thought "hey, this makes sense! FINALLY SOMETHING") You also say Symmetra's analysis is just a lurker read that doesn't tell anything but I'm pretty sure that's why she was almost lynched. Asking little, not saying ANYTHING and when she's pressured she goes afk (??????). I personally feel more comfortable voting Pharah than McCree right now.

-vote M-FM Pharah

That vote on McCree lasted all of an hour, for what it's worth.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:12 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM McCree

-vote M-FM Reinhardt

leggo train choo choo

This being when a train was increasingly building on Reaper and WM D2.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Widowmaker

-vote M-FM Reaper

Better than a no-lynch.

Originally Posted by M-FM Widowmaker

Actually I think this train is much more well founded than Reaper.

-vote M-FM McCree

Originally Posted by M-FM Widowmaker

-vote M-FM Reaper

I'll take that as an excusable defense

This all happened in the span of about an hour, when Reaper and McCree were the leading trains D2.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:19 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Widowmaker

-vote M-FM Reaper

Better than a no-lynch.

Originally Posted by M-FM Widowmaker

Actually I think this train is much more well founded than Reaper.

-vote M-FM McCree

Originally Posted by M-FM Reinhardt

Hello,

I'd rather see a McCree Lynch than a Reaper lynch. The fact that i see some of my scum reads on the Reaper bandwagon unsettles me, I also have him as Null more than hard scum.
This is my list:

M-FM Bastion - Scum
M-FM Genji - Town
M-FM Hanzo - Scum
M-FM Junkrat - Null
M-FM Lucio - Town
M-FM McCree - Scum
M-FM Mei - Town
M-FM Mercy - Town
M-FM Pharah - Annoying/Dumb Town
M-FM Reaper - Null
M-FM Reinhardt - Oh hey, thats me
M-FM Roadhog - Town
M-FM Soldier 76 - Null
M-FM Symmetra - Null
M-FM Torbjorn - Null
M-FM Tracer - Null
M-FM Widowmaker - Town
M-FM Winston - Town
M-FM Zarya - Town
M-FM Zenyatta - Town

hate them, love them, they're a work in progress... (clearly like everyone here ;) )

List where Reinhardt has both of the dead scum as townreads, and some scumreads that have flipped town.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Tracer

Vote Count

M-FM Pharah (2 [L-8]):
M-FM Mei, M-FM Reaper

M-FM Widowmaker (1 [L-9]):
M-FM Zarya

M-FM Reaper (5 [L-5]):
M-FM Pharah, M-FM Soldier 76, M-FM Widowmaker, M-FM Hanzo, M-FM Junkrat

M-FM McCree (7 [L-3]):
M-FM Tracer, M-FM Winston, M-FM Lucio,M-FM Reinhardt, M-FM Torbjorn, M-FM Zenyatta, M-FM Roadhog

M-FM Torbjorn (1 [L-9]):
M-FM McCree

M-FM Reinhardt (1 [L-9]):
M-FM Bastion

Another snapshot, this time when McCree was teetering toward the edge.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Widowmaker

-vote M-FM Reaper

Better than a no-lynch.

Originally Posted by M-FM Widowmaker

Actually I think this train is much more well founded than Reaper.

-vote M-FM McCree

Originally Posted by M-FM McCree

Okay this is my pre cross checked list. Just putting it out there.

TOWN
Hanzo
Mccree
Tracer
Zenyatta
Widowmaker
Reaper
Junkrat
Pharah
Lucio
Roadhog
Mei
Bastion
Winston

NOT TOWN
Symmetra
Soldier 76
Zarya
Torbjorn

EITHER
Reinhardt

Aaaaand if you read D2 long enough it seems you can find EVERYONE reading WM and Zenyatta as town.

Why the hell are Winston and Zenyatta townreads, when he voted them that day?

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 07:31 AM

I don't know if we can afford Zarya to stay, if someone doesn't replace them.

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 07:32 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Roadhog

Tracer's snapshot of a vote counter in D3. (Torbjorn's post was D2 as well; got that mixed up) Note Reinhardt voting Pharah with WM, Zarya voting WM, and Torbjorn+Soldier voting Reinhardt.

You mean D2 right? Pharah wasn't around D3.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:33 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Hanzo

You mean D2 right? Pharah wasn't around D3.

Yes.

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 07:44 AM

-vote M-FM Zarya

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Hanzo

-vote M-FM Zarya

Is that the best you can get for now? I'm falling asleep re-reading the thread, but I feel we may be able to solve this. I'm actually taking a first deep look at McCree, and it looks baaaaaaaad. A LOT of flailing D2 from one train to another, mostly on what are now confirmed towns. The fact he survived D2 after getting to L-3 is a bit troubling to me.

Not going back on my reasoning for the policy lynch, (which, honestly, I'd still follow) but I think we can get some good discussion going in the meantime.

-vote M-FM Zarya

No way FB is getting someone on in time for today's lynch, or possibly ever.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 07:56 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Tracer

In accordance with Torb's post...

Spoiler : DAY 1 VOTE COUNTS :

Spoiler : DAY 2 VOTE COUNTS :

Tracer's D1/D2 vote archive.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 08:14 AM

I'm getting too tired to read and will be going to bed in the next few minutes. My alarm is set to wake me up about an hour before EOD. I strongly favor lynching today, because we're either at LYLO, (which I doubt, tbh, especially given no one has sniped McCree) or waste a mislynch by no-lynching in 5v2. (excluding of course the possibility scum has a vig in control. But Torbjorn is a confirmed Architect, Soldier confirmed Journalist... based on claims and of who's left, who would you really be afraid of?)

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 08:15 AM

I've expanded my notes for posts that have caught my eye since last night, considering only D1-D3. Feel free to use them.

Spoiler : Notes :

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 08:26 AM

hey, any votes on symmetra by me are purely because she was a lurker.

also this:
1745 - Soldier gives a town block with Tracer, Mei, Lucio, Junkrat, Torbjorn, Winston

soldier manages to pick an all town block here, with nothing wrong.

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 08:26 AM

If you're still here, Roadhog, do you still want to PL Zarya?

What from your list stands out for you? There is obviously a reason you wanted to share it.

**M-FM Roadhog** · July 14th, 2016, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Hanzo

If you're still here, Roadhog, do you still want to PL Zarya?

What from your list stands out for you? There is obviously a reason you wanted to share it.

I do. That's why I'm voting Zarya.

There's nothing there I really mean to draw from the list that I haven't already said. It's mostly a lot of things that could go one or another that I haven't been able to fit into a narrative. The main thing I noticed was how much McCree flailed D2, and in general. There also seems to be quite a bit of animosity between McCree and Reinhardt that leads me to believe they're not SvS, and perhaps not TvT, either.

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 08:33 AM

okay, i'dbe willing to compromise on lynch on reinhardt. pretty convinced that's where the scum team resides. and makes sense with why symmetra was killed that night.

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 08:34 AM

-vote m-fm reinhardt

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 08:35 AM

would much rather do soldier right now, but if a scum flip on reinhardt makes a soldier lynch tomorrow much more likely

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Torbjorn

would much rather do soldier right now, but if a scum flip on reinhardt makes a soldier lynch tomorrow much more likely

I assume you believe these two are the scum team?

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 08:46 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Hanzo

I assume you believe these two are the scum team?

yes.

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 08:47 AM

omg they're even on the same person

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 08:48 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Torbjorn

omg they're even on the same person

lol which doesn't mean all that much. dummy.

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 09:06 AM

but still, reinhardt or soldier

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 09:10 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Torbjorn

but still, reinhardt or soldier

May I ask why you are against a PL on Zarya? If you think there are 3 scum, why hasn't this been stated before, and if there are 3 scum and it isn't Zarya we insta-lose. Explain.

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 09:33 AM

if there are 3 scum, and zarya's town, it's GG already.

if there are 2 scum, and we lynch zarya, then we're pretty much losing roadhog since i'm no longer on track to be the next kill. you know, which is actually good for who I want to lynch.

then we're in the same situation as today, 3v2.
...
if zarya's scum and we manage to lynch one of her buddies, then either we win, or we have a 3v1 scenario.

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 09:36 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Hanzo

May I ask why you are against a PL on Zarya? If you think there are 3 scum, why hasn't this been stated before, and if there are 3 scum and it isn't Zarya we insta-lose. Explain.

i'm not necessarily against it, i just want to take steps that end the game faster. and lynching zarya doesn't really seem like it helps town. doesn't hurt it, but doesn't help.

also, this is coupled with the fact that Zarya is my #1 town.

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 09:40 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Torbjorn

i'm not necessarily against it, i just want to take steps that end the game faster. and lynching zarya doesn't really seem like it helps town. doesn't hurt it, but doesn't help.

also, this is coupled with the fact that Zarya is my #1 town.

Okay, all reads aside, let me just explain it this way.

If Zarya is town, there is a HIGH CHANCE they will get mod-killed. Are we really assuming that somebody will replace this far in the game? Not very likely. So if we lynch her today, it keeps the game going. If we lynch right now, we might have no chance for tomorrow. You may be convinced that Reinhardt+Solider are scum, but I'd rather take the extra time to come to a conclusion.

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 09:44 AM

it really amounts to the same thing, except we won't have roadhog tomorrow.

-vote m-fm zarya

i'm sorry that you're town.

hanzo, what mode are you suggesting? same? the only benefit i see with support is my architect, and no value in assault, and riskyness in escort.

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 09:52 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Torbjorn

it really amounts to the same thing, except we won't have roadhog tomorrow.

-vote m-fm zarya

i'm sorry that you're town.

hanzo, what mode are you suggesting? same? the only benefit i see with support is my architect, and no value in assault, and riskyness in escort.

Why are you apologizing by saying I'm town? I don't get it.

The mode won't matter, if the scum get a night kill and Zarya is town, then we either lose or we have one more day. Do whatever you think is best with your architect chat tonight, I'll double check if you put me in it. But yeah, mode shouldn't matter. Even if we get a scum the next day though, I'd still say it won't particularly matter, other then I won't be immune in two modes and the journalist/architect chats.

I haven't used my vest yet, I didn't expect myself to get killed. I'll use it tonight so I can discuss this again.

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 09:57 AM

apologizing to/for zarya

**M-FM Zarya** · July 14th, 2016, 10:03 AM

My lynch would lose you the game but i believe we have mostly lost
as stated i was mason/cit/cit with tracer. I got replaced so i lost most of this game but i was FM Mercy, so i know D1.
All i can defend myself with since i have no clue what the previous guy did is that i was against the Junkrat lynch

-vote M-FM McCree

**M-FM Zarya** · July 14th, 2016, 10:05 AM

err

-vote m-fm mccree

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 10:09 AM

-unvote

You sure took your time.

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 10:09 AM

hellz yeah

**M-FM Zarya** · July 14th, 2016, 10:10 AM

I was playing Insanity and didn't expect this one to really need my attention

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 10:10 AM

-vote m-fm soldier 76

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Zarya

I was playing Insanity and didn't expect this one to really need my attention

I think I know who you are :P

**M-FM Zarya** · July 14th, 2016, 10:10 AM

As i said yesterday the junkrat lynch felt forced because the people on the train weren't town at all when i last read them.
So i'm happy with a mccree lynch

**M-FM Zarya** · July 14th, 2016, 10:11 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Hanzo

I think I know who you are :P

I already claimed my COM

**M-FM Torbjorn** · July 14th, 2016, 10:11 AM

zarya, can you not vote with my scum team of soldier and reinhardt

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 10:12 AM

It's hard to believe I almost lynched the same person twice O.O.

**M-FM Zarya** · July 14th, 2016, 10:12 AM

-unvote

sure but i believe them to be town

**M-FM Zarya** · July 14th, 2016, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Hanzo

It's hard to believe I almost lynched the same person twice O.O.

This game or in insanity ?

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Zarya

-unvote

sure but i believe them to be town

Who are you suggesting then? If you've paid enough attention.

**M-FM Zarya** · July 14th, 2016, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Zarya

This game or in insanity ?

nvm i know the answer

**M-FM Hanzo** · July 14th, 2016, 10:13 AM

Originally Posted by M-FM Zarya

This game or in insanity ?

This one, I'm glad you showed up in time though.

**M-FM Zarya** · July 14th, 2016, 10:14 AM

I havnt paid attention , but as said i find Mccree scummy and Soldier was solid D1,
the architect chat the previous dude had with him seemed fine but i didn't read into it.
Find this a very boring setup tbh.

Mccree and Torb are on the list

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