M-FM Overwatch

[Firebringer]

Welcome to the Overwatch!

Setup

Player List	Alignments	Dead Zone
M-FM Bastion M-FM Genji M-FM Hanzo M-FM Junkrat M-FM Lucio M-FM McCree M-FM Mei M-FM Mercy M-FM Pharah M-FM Reaper M-FM Reinhardt M-FM Roadhog M-FM Soldier 76 M-FM Symmetra M-FM Torbjorn M-FM Tracer M-FM Widowmaker M-FM Winston M-FM Zarya M-FM Zenyatta	Hidden Town Citizen/Citizen/BusDriver Hidden Town Citizen/Blacksmith/Spy Hidden Town Citizen/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Citizen/Coroner/Sheriff Hidden Town Sheriff/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Citizen/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Doctor/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Mason/Jailkeeper/Citizen Hidden Town Citizen/Detective/Citizen Hidden Town Citizen/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Mason/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Lookout/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Citizen/Citizen/Citizen Hidden Town Citizen/Armorsmith/Citizen Hidden Town Hidden Town/Omnic Omnic Omnic Omnic Citizen/BodyDouble/Swordsmith Omnic Mason Leader/Citizen/Spy	M-FM Mercy, Lynched Day 1, Town Cit/Cit/BD M-FM Genji, Died Night 1, Town Cit/BS/Spy M-FM Reaper, Lynched Day 2, Town Cit/Cit/Cit M-FM Pharah, Died Night 2, Town Cit/Cor/Sher M-FM Widowmaker, Lynched Day 3, Omnic ML/Cit/Spy M-FM Lucio, Killed Night 3, Town Sheriff/Cit/Cit M-FM Winston, Sworded Day 4, Town Cit/Cit/Cit M-FM Mei, Lynched Day 4, Town Doc/Cit/Cit M-FM Symmetra, Killed Night 4, Town Mason/JK/Cit M-FM Zenyatta, Lynched Day 5, Omnic Cit/BodyD/Sword M-FM Bastion, Killed NIght 5, Town Cit/Det/Cit M-FM Junkrat, Lynched Day 6, Town Cit/Cit/Cit M-FM Tracer, Killed Night 6, Town Mas/Cit/Cit M-FM Reinhardt, Lynched Day 7, Town Look/Cit/Cit M-FM Roadhog, Killed Night 7, Town Cit/Cit/Cit M-FM McCree, Lynched Day 8, Town Cit/Armor/Cit

Game Has Ended With Ominc win


IMPORTANT EVENTS:

Night 1
Day 2
Night 2
Day 3
Night 3
Day 4
Sword Kill
Night 4
Day 5
Night 5
Day 6
Night 6
Day 7
Night 7
Day 8
Game Over

[Firebringer]

Day 1
Active Game Mode: Escort
Reminder that only your Defense role card will be active today and tonight.
You will vote for a new game mode during night or can vote for same mode.

With 20 Alive 11 votes to hammer.

Day ends in

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

[M-FM Tracer]

First!

-vote M-FM Mercy

[M-FM Reaper]

Your attempts at manipulating the chat today are insultingly obvious.

"Lucio/ Hanzo is a 1v1. It's to CONFIRM them...but I won't give a scum-read on either of them because I'm totally lazy! Ignore how this contradicts my behaviour on Day 1!"

"Sheriff should 100% check Hanzo tonight. This TPR directing won't leave Hanzo open to being bussed with scum or framed in some way or night-killed in the one mode he's vulnerable in or anything!"

"If Pharah isn't mod-killed then she's confirmed scum even though she didn't actually break the rules!"

How old do you think we are?

Well, as far as I can see quoting your role PM is quoting outside mod communication *shrug* don't know why you don't get that.

Also, I'm reconsidering my read on you considering this gem:

First!

-vote M-FM Mercy

[M-FM Roadhog]

Well, as far as I can see quoting your role PM is quoting outside mod communication *shrug* don't know why you don't get that.

Also, I'm reconsidering my read on you considering this gem:

She's not dumb. She gets that it's quoting communication. Her point is why you would even bother pointing it out. It's benign and no half-reasonable host would modkill over it. Bring it up now just distracts conversation and really should just be dealt with by PM'ing Firebringer if you're actually concerned.

So I ask: What do we stand to gain from you bringing up the "no quoting the mod" rule publicly?

[M-FM Reaper]

She's not dumb. She gets that it's quoting communication. Her point is why you would even bother pointing it out. It's benign and no half-reasonable host would modkill over it. Bring it up now just distracts conversation and really should just be dealt with by PM'ing Firebringer if you're actually concerned.

So I ask: What do we stand to gain from you bringing up the "no quoting the mod" rule publicly?

I would definitely mod kill someone for breaking the golden rule of Mafia.

My point is this: Pharah isn't dumb enough to do something to get modkilled.. that's why I think the claim is fake.

[M-FM Roadhog]

I would definitely mod kill someone for breaking the golden rule of Mafia.

My point is this: Pharah isn't dumb enough to do something to get modkilled.. that's why I think the claim is fake.

lolwtf. The "golden rule" of Mafia? The only "golden rule" of mafia is to not ruin the game for others. Modkilling someone for quoting something that the setup allows you to easily fake is beyond pedantic.

Your logic defeats itself, however. If Pharah agreed with you, that quoting their rolecard would result in a modkill, then they would also reason that faking a rolecard and not getting modkilled is the same as admitting to fakeclaiming. For your idea to work, Pharah has to either be unreasonably stupid or gamethrowing.

[M-FM Tracer]

Well, as far as I can see quoting your role PM is quoting outside mod communication *shrug* don't know why you don't get that.

Also, I'm reconsidering my read on you considering this gem:

Ignore the rest of my point about your obvious attempts to manipulate the game, why don't ya?

LOL, your entire read can be affected by a RVS vote? That's one of the most hilarious reasons I have ever seen to doubt-cast.

[M-FM Tracer]

Ignore the rest of my point about your obvious attempts to manipulate the game, why don't ya?

LOL, your entire read can be affected by a RVS vote? That's one of the most hilarious reasons I have ever seen to doubt-cast.

"Hey can't help but notice that you're being really obvious with your attempts to manipulate the game in your favour."

"WELL YOU'RE SCUMMY FOR RANDOM VOTING THE DAY ONE LYNCH!"

[M-FM Reaper]

"Hey can't help but notice that you're being really obvious with your attempts to manipulate the game in your favour."

"WELL YOU'RE SCUMMY FOR RANDOM VOTING THE DAY ONE LYNCH!"

Yes, glad you see my point.

[M-FM Reaper]

Ignore the rest of my point about your obvious attempts to manipulate the game, why don't ya?

LOL, your entire read can be affected by a RVS vote? That's one of the most hilarious reasons I have ever seen to doubt-cast.

Cuz you're making shit up!

[M-FM Tracer]

Cuz you're making shit up!

Explain how I've 'made shit up' when I've paraphrased things WHICH YOU HAVE SAID IN THE CHAT.

[M-FM Pharah]

second

-vote M-FM Mercy

[M-FM Pharah]

everytime i press setup it sends me to a picture.

[M-FM Hanzo]

-vote M-FM Bastion

Second original vote.

[M-FM Pharah]

-vote M-FM Bastion

Second original vote.

oh look at someone tryin to be different.

[M-FM Lucio]

-vote M-FM Widowmaker

Glad she got nerfed!

[M-FM Pharah]

around 25% of players are here. at this time. take pointers of who is.

[M-FM Hanzo]

around 25% of players are here. at this time. take pointers of who is.

Oooh, numbers.

[M-FM Pharah]

Oooh, numbers.

ohhhhhh shitpost

[M-FM Zarya]

someone explain the game modes thing please.

[M-FM Tracer]

someone explain the game modes thing please.

it's what determines the role we get to use tonight

did you vote for one?

[M-FM Zarya]

did you vote for one?

what

[M-FM Pharah]

what

did you vote for poritection, escort, assault, offensive or anything like that or not?

[M-FM Zarya]

did you vote for poritection, escort, assault, offensive or anything like that or not?

i didn't realise we were supposed to.

[M-FM Pharah]

simple. ther are 3 setups possible. you vote for which one you want active. (alignments stay the same no matter the setup)

the one with the most votes becomes the active setup.

[M-FM Tracer]

do you think it's a good idea to reveal what we voted for or would that give scum too much info on TPRs?

kinda thinking scum have good roles in escort mode and that's why it got picked

[M-FM Pharah]

do you think it's a good idea to reveal what we voted for or would that give scum too much info on TPRs?

kinda thinking scum have good roles in escort mode and that's why it got picked

no. you are already asking for wide acceptance of an idea which you already know is bad by defending is ASAP.

my initial vote before reading my rolecard was placed on escort because it was a defensive option. less people die=better.
scum have 4-5 of the votes, question is if they had a night 0, or if they know everyones possible roles of their team i gotta check i.

[M-FM Tracer]

no. you are already asking for wide acceptance of an idea which you already know is bad by defending is ASAP.

my initial vote before reading my rolecard was placed on escort because it was a defensive option. less people die=better.
scum have 4-5 of the votes, question is if they had a night 0, or if they know everyones possible roles of their team i gotta check i.

if scum don't have n0 then we shouldn't reveal as they arent coordinated yet

im trying to think of how to use the setups to our advantage. like maybe just voting for the same one every night so night actions and results are the same? I might do that as it would be less cnfusing

do the names have anything to do with roles? thought it was RP

[M-FM Pharah]

if scum don't have n0 then we shouldn't reveal as they arent coordinated yet

im trying to think of how to use the setups to our advantage. like maybe just voting for the same one every night so night actions and results are the same? I might do that as it would be less cnfusing

do the names have anything to do with roles? thought it was RP

aslong as scum had no information we can assue this choice of mode is closer to random @ indicatior with number of power roles.

any suggestion of what mode to use can be seen as an indication of tpr or now. if you really must use wifom.

names i hope hacing noting to do with the game, roles are random and i think people accounts are to

[M-FM Junkrat]

if scum don't have n0 then we shouldn't reveal as they arent coordinated yet

im trying to think of how to use the setups to our advantage. like maybe just voting for the same one every night so night actions and results are the same? I might do that as it would be less cnfusing

do the names have anything to do with roles? thought it was RP

Mod - Can I vote this guy twice, please?

[M-FM Tracer]

I decided to dig through Junkrat's posts. They can be summarised thusly:
[list]
[*]Calix is scum because of 'role-fishing' and I don't care about her defense[*]Lurking is considered a scum tell on this site even though I also lurk make numerous empty posts[*]Calix is a shit player [*]Claims she contributes "concisely" and is "honest" (while there's nothing to counter this, being self-aware about your meta means these points are NAI)[*]Claims she prefers meta and mechanics. Evidence has been found to support the first point but the only thing I see for the second is "this is Lickety's scum game" and "this is also scum!Postie"[*]However claims that they struggle to meta players due to the site's functions being shit @M-FM Junkrat if you like meta, why have you not COM claimed so that we can use it to read you? Seems unfair for people trying to read you, no?[*]Claims Reaper is low-hanging fruit but that "low-hanging fruit rolls scum once in a while" and uses this to vote for him[*]Claims Bastion, Hanzo, Zarya, Tracer, Winston are her scum-reads [Day 3 - all of them had voted for Widowmaker][*]Reads seem to have changed to Bastion, Hanzo, McCree, Zarya, Zenyatta[*]Whines about "spam" making it hard to play, although quality of posts has not improved even though activity has tanked for the past two days[*]Likes reminding people whenever it appears that she may be proven correct

A lot of this comes across as self-aggrandising MS wankery more than anything else, looking at it as a whole. Still, contribution is underwhelming, mostly whines and throws out ideas with no backing...I don't see much that scum couldn't plausibly manage.

In fact, given how much of a low-hanging fruit this slot is, I am confused as to how she has managed to coast until Day 5 and only now is being trained.

• M-FM Junkrat (3 [L-3]):
  M-FM McCree, M-FM Hanzo, M-FM Torbjorn
  

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  M-FM Zenyatta (3 [L-3]):
  M-FM Soldier 76, M-FM Bastion, M-FM Reinhardt
  

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  M-FM Tracer (1 [L-5]):
  M-FM Roadhog
  

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  M-FM Hanzo (1 [L-5]):
  M-FM Junkrat

[M-FM Pharah]

also feirst real vote:

-vote M-FM Tracer

[M-FM Hanzo]

also feirst real vote:

-vote M-FM Tracer

Good work!

[M-FM Reaper]

do you think it's a good idea to reveal what we voted for or would that give scum too much info on TPRs?

kinda thinking scum have good roles in escort mode and that's why it got picked

I went with investigative.

also feirst real vote:

-vote M-FM Tracer

Hi banana

[M-FM Pharah]

I went with investigative.



Hi banana

hello apple?

also why are you giving unprovable information out for free?
want people to to think you cant be scum if you didnt vote for escort?

[M-FM Reaper]

hello apple?

also why are you giving unprovable information out for free?
want people to to think you cant be scum if you didnt vote for escort?

IIRC I was the first person to volunteer this information. I am just trying to be open. If the info is unprovable, how would this mean I am not Scum? More importantly, how would it mean I was Town because I chose investigative?

[M-FM Pharah]

IIRC I was the first person to volunteer this information. I am just trying to be open. If the info is unprovable, how would this mean I am not Scum? More importantly, how would it mean I was Town because I chose investigative?

20%-25% of mode votes have been controlled by scum, which you can assume. most likie. that escort was most likee choosen by scum.
so by claiming you didnt vote for escort is putting on thhe appearance that you are most likly not scum.

[M-FM Genji]

IIRC I was the first person to volunteer this information. I am just trying to be open. If the info is unprovable, how would this mean I am not Scum? More importantly, how would it mean I was Town because I chose investigative?

being open about info that might only be useful for scum is scummy.

being transparent is something town members must do and scum will do to look like town. in this case its more like the second one as it has no use for town (?!)

[M-FM Genji]

IIRC I was the first person to volunteer this information. I am just trying to be open. If the info is unprovable, how would this mean I am not Scum? More importantly, how would it mean I was Town because I chose investigative?

it was reaper. noting this for later rereads

pedit : @ tracer yeah ok their telling the truth . what about it is alignment indicative like at all?

[M-FM Junkrat]

also feirst real vote:

-vote M-FM Tracer

I agree.

[vote: M-FM Tracer[/vote]

[M-FM Junkrat]

I agree.

[vote: M-FM Tracer[/vote]

Derp.

-vote : M-FM Tracer

[M-FM Junkrat]

Derp.

-vote : M-FM Tracer

Why is it not showing in the vote counter?

-vote M-FM Tracer

[M-FM Mei]

I agree.

[vote: M-FM Tracer[/vote]

Got a reason as to why? Curious as to what category you'll belong to.

[M-FM Junkrat]

Got a reason as to why? Curious as to what category you'll belong to.

He's rolefishing.

I don't know why Pharah voted him, but she called it a serious vote instead of RVS, that's the part I agreed with.

[M-FM Winston]

He's rolefishing.

I don't know why Pharah voted him, but she called it a serious vote instead of RVS, that's the part I agreed with.

Can you point out where the role fish was? I missed that

[M-FM Tracer]

Well, I'm not terribly great with long posts and slightly tired ATM so I will start small. I felt like Solider and Lucio's votes were a little bit sheepish. I couldn't see a lot of thought behind it. I also think Lucio has been very close minded, only swapping between me and Winston, and reading what he said it seems like he assumes that there are only two possible Lynches. My reasoning behind my vote on Parah was more of to see how they reacted to get a little bit of pressure going. I could also see that they were the centre of attention, so to get a vote on them would help possibly see who agrees and who disagrees. Torb with his few posts really hit a note for me, but I have to consider this: there was no reason for a scum to be so open to it. Perhaps there are many noobs in the game, but I don't like to consider it because anyone could say they are noobs. Reaper and Pharat are a TvT for me, but if I announced that then my vote would have no impact. It was interesting to see how people jumped on me for voting him, but it's surrounded by townie actions and so I doubt they are scum. Mccree may have defended me, but I know I am town and so it isn't considered defending his partner to me. Maybe buddying, but that is far fetched because there is no point of defending the most scum-read person currently. If I missed people sorry but ask me questions and I will cover them with my current thought.

why do people townread hanzo for this post specifcally? he doesnt have any real scumreads just town or "too obvious to be scum" which is what scum would do cos they know everyones alignment and cant give strong opions easily

he is trying to look for motives tho, the reapar/ pharah comment and some of his later posts were ok so thats something in his favour

also the hanzo defenders are being obvisou af and openly saying his wagon sucks and stuff. scum have daychat so they could have just coached him quietly and not risk the associations

i think this is pretty NAI and you saying this in an AI way, makes it seem you're doing some shady stuff.
this and that other thing about lurkers are scum, but not all scum are lurkers bit that someone else also pointed out. thought it was weird. (i can't view my previous posts)

which is why i'm voting

-vote fm hanzo

^^ entirely

also, once again, lynch lurkers. no one seems scummy

not liking the people who jumpe don hanzo so quickly either. his wagon had a lot of questionabl players on it and that makes me nervous. torb literally says nobody seems scummy at all thats some fencesitting if i saw it.

usually id keep my vote on hanzo for pressure reasons given the current trains but i dont think we'll get much else via votes sooo

-unvote

Why is it not showing in the vote counter?

-vote M-FM Tracer

Mod - Can I vote this guy twice, please?

He's rolefishing.

I don't know why Pharah voted him, but she called it a serious vote instead of RVS, that's the part I agreed with.

bad vote, only votes me for 'rolefishing' but doesnt explain why or talk about any of my other posts. i know that reaper, mei etc have talked about potential roles so id like to know junkers view on that if he thinks my post was scummy

second post feels forced like why would you want to vote someone twice for rolefishing, hes way too overconfident in that read

mei talks too much on theory ad says too little even if i agree with what he says, seems kinda shy. either sucks at d1 or sucks at making reads, going with the former atm

-vote M-FM Tracer

Overall I am not impressed with the play from this player. Early pushing 2 consolidated trains, looking in the wrong places and scum reading McCree for very bad reasons with no explanations.

I also have a scum lean on Soldier at this time.

how have i been looking in the wrong places and how would you know they are wrong?

votes dont have any pressure in large games unless you have several of them because it means that player could actually get lynched. and i don't want a repeat of the fm where you couldnt get a train going until the last few hours

if we have 72 hours then starting wagons early is good because they can die sooner if people think theyre town and so more ppl can beb pressured. yeah i am all for bandwagons for reasons mei said as long as the players voting are aroun to change votes frequently

i didnt like how mccree reacted to hanzo with the "sorry for defending you" line, dont see why town would openly say oh yeah im defending this person in that manner. zayra and reaper seemed more genuine when defending hanzo to give an example. this seemed too casual like he doesnt care about what hanzos alignment is.

hes being voted by baston and torb and idk if scum would buss this early? so at least one of my scum reads of mcree/ torb is prolly wrong.

gonna iso them rn

[M-FM Pharah]

Game starts Day 1

does the wolf team know each other's possible roles before day 1 starts?
do they have a night 0 chat?

[Firebringer]

does the wolf team know each other's possible roles before day 1 starts?
do they have a night 0 chat?

No
Mafia/Omnic team has pregame chat.

[M-FM Pharah]

No
Mafia/Omnic team has pregame chat.

i demend compensation, this is not in the rules. and you have broken your own rules since the game has kind of not start on da1