S-FM 200: Mafia Wars II

[Voss]

There was talk of role stuff,
talk of how we shouldn't talk about role stuff because its not helpful
--as I said, do not necessarily agree
you popped in somewhere after that
bunch of people asking how reads on other people have changed after like 2 posts.

I want more of Trudeau. also i see people have posted some that I'd like to interact with.

[Logically Insane]

Are you just sheeping your other personality?

No, it was very easy to tell the slot was scum from the first few pages.

[powerofdeath]

No, it was very easy to tell the slot was scum from the first few pages.

Can you explain why hes scum in your own words not your other personalities' words?

[powerofdeath]

About Shifty, i don't consider his early posting AI for it was the very beginning, and i'm thinking if he was scum, wouldn't he try to defend himself harder

Duck was it you who said being overly defensive is a scum tell ? what about underly defensive ?

What do you all think about Shifty not being defensive ? is that a town tell ?

why the fuck dont you say hi back you fucking scum

[SexyDucK]

ALl 3 of my mafia reads are voting me, hahahahahahaah.

[Sino]

No, it was very easy to tell the slot was scum from the first few pages.

Just for the record, can we please know who's posting right now ?

You have 3 personalities, i don't even know how you know which one of the other 2 posted

[Sino]

why the fuck dont you say hi back you fucking scum

Cause i don't want to say hi, i want to say hello

Hello

[Shifty]

LOL? activity is not alignment indicative, but if it is for you I should be your top town as I believe I Have the most posts, and if I don't its close between me and BCD. You can argue their post quality is higher, but I have a good mix of content posts, and shitposts.

God Emperor never gave the impression that they were active, she said she had to go.... and would not be active.

-DucK

There's nothing to argue about. BCD's posts are higher quality, and they seem to be made more from a more town aligned perspective than yours. Also I never specifically mentioned his post count being the major factor behind me reading him as town, so no, you're not even close.
What's your reasoning for shitposting so much during this game? Do you think it's pro-town, or are you just trying to be funny?

[Voss]

Read list time since I uncharacteristically have not yet:

Town:
Sino Inquisitive, not always correct, but is looking in the right places. When he pinged out calix, it does not matter if calix feels his point was accurate, but that he is noticing that in his mind there is a shift in what calix told him is her way of playing as town. He questions her, but does not use it against her meaning he is trying to find out the slot's alignment and not make bcd look bad. In his questioning of me he wanted my reasoning and liked some of what I had to say and followed up on it. On his follow up he disagreed with my logic, but accepted my reasoning. He also pinged out unknown's play as similar to a previous game as mafia and has been in dialogue with him over it.
Unknown1234 He is actually putting in work this game, trying to solve it. I can definitely see where a lot of his content is faked or forced, but he has done several things I have liked and read as town. He is high up on my town list, but do not be surprised if I do a complete flip on him.
Kovath I have him as very strong town or the FBI agent. I have liked his posts thus far, and liked his second pinging out of my buddy attempt. I called out why he does not get town points for me for mentioning it, and then he used the same sort of reasoning almost when I rebuddied him and I read him as town. Minor gut feeling on fbi agent, not very strong, but noting it.

Null:

God Emperor Trudeau Little content, I did not mind what she posted so far and her standing firm and not conforming. Do not agree with the joker read, but probable town once she contributes more.
Borderline Crazy Dealers This is a tricky one for me because for some reason I have been having a hard time seeing calix vs banana. I am leaning town on them, but have some suspicion on the intent of some of their posts.
G4slight I hate the number shit he does, but one post is not enough to read them. Only put them in here because they were on earlier. All of the people not listed fit in this same category rk-pod- fatalis

Mafia:
Voss I found it odd how much voss has focused on meta. He does not know our meta, but that should not concern him as he should be able to use his reads to accurately place himself in the game. I did not like his read list at all, and how he constantly had to bookmark posts before finishing. I would like to hear more from him.
Logically Insane Terrible read list, convenient that I am their top scum read, I know. They harp on me harping on their shitposting, but I feel I have actually moved the game along. I do not feel they are doing this, and that their "chaos" roleplay was not roleplay based on their focus on changing the topic to setup speculation. I am lightheaded reading their posts, but I hope I am able to see more from them, and able to read them better based on actual content and not this roleplay setup spec bullshit.
Shifty First post, got pinged out, went afk, came back did not acknowledge it, changed the subject, done fuck all since.

-Duck

regards to me,

the only reason why I started with the reads thing was the first 3 pages was really hard to read and I had no back-knowledge of it. I didn't post a reads list yet lol. Did you not like my spoiler post? I'm down to talk about it some more. Also the bookmarking thing, the first time I was on my phone and reading. The second time my laptop was about to die and I was midpost.

but the takeaway here is that those first pages were realllyy hard to read.

Spoiler : unrelated really to game :

Are you just sheeping your other personality?

is this a thing we enforce? sheeping your other heads is bad? Like i get why it'd be scum-telling but man.

[Voss]

ALl 3 of my mafia reads are voting me, hahahahahahaah.

convenient huh?

[SexyDucK]

regards to me,

the only reason why I started with the reads thing was the first 3 pages was really hard to read and I had no back-knowledge of it. I didn't post a reads list yet lol. Did you not like my spoiler post? I'm down to talk about it some more. Also the bookmarking thing, the first time I was on my phone and reading. The second time my laptop was about to die and I was midpost.

but the takeaway here is that those first pages were realllyy hard to read.

Spoiler : unrelated really to game :

is this a thing we enforce? sheeping your other heads is bad? Like i get why it'd be scum-telling but man.

You have me as mafia, what are your thoughts on my read list. Do you think I am just omgusing all three votes on me?

-duck

[Logically Insane]

Can you explain why hes scum in your own words not your other personalities' words?

Posts seemed fluffy at first, then they switched to "serious" then back to troll, then they were buddying blatantly, then back to serious again. They seem really fake in the way they are approaching the game and are just goofing off until they can make a 'attempt' to be scumhunting.

ALl 3 of my mafia reads are voting me, hahahahahahaah.

How conveniant, have you gone into why you are scumreading this slot? I read up until page 12, so I am a little behind compared to my other personas.

Just for the record, can we please know who's posting right now ?

You have 3 personalities, i don't even know how you know which one of the other 2 posted

We leave a calling card to let you know who is posting. Besides that, you can make assumptions very easily if you want. I am not going to correct someone if they call mistake me for another head.

[powerofdeath]

regards to me,

the only reason why I started with the reads thing was the first 3 pages was really hard to read and I had no back-knowledge of it. I didn't post a reads list yet lol. Did you not like my spoiler post? I'm down to talk about it some more. Also the bookmarking thing, the first time I was on my phone and reading. The second time my laptop was about to die and I was midpost.

but the takeaway here is that those first pages were realllyy hard to read.

Spoiler : unrelated really to game :

is this a thing we enforce? sheeping your other heads is bad? Like i get why it'd be scum-telling but man.

I never played with archons before, or been one. But if your archons basically say they scumread X or push X to be lynched, then the lurkier personality may just find it easier to sheep the other heads, hoping it would count enough for participation and maybe get them by without being a target.

[SexyDucK]

No, it was very easy to tell the slot was scum from the first few pages.

Since it is so easy are you willing to do a 1 for 1 trade? Lynch us both?

-DucK

[Shifty]

ALl 3 of my mafia reads are voting me, hahahahahahaah.

Hm? Are you trying to make a point here? At the very least it's a point made against you for scumreading your voters, considering your read list being posted AFTER these votes were placed on you.

[Logically Insane]

Since it is so easy are you willing to do a 1 for 1 trade? Lynch us both?

-DucK

Do you honestly believe I wouldn't take that deal in a heartbeat? Me and my personas are risk takers.

[Sino]

I never played with archons before, or been one. But if your archons basically say they scumread X or push X to be lynched, then the lurkier personality may just find it easier to sheep the other heads, hoping it would count enough for participation and maybe get them by without being a target.

They're supposed to talk about it, if they do, it wouldn't be sheeping

[powerofdeath]

Cause i don't want to say hi, i want to say hello

Hello

smooth

hello

[SexyDucK]

Do you honestly believe I wouldn't take that deal in a heartbeat? Me and my personas are risk takers.

Risk takers? If you were so sure I am mafia, it should not be a risk. You acted like you were certain im mafia, now it is a risk?

-DucK

[powerofdeath]

They're supposed to talk about it, if they do, it wouldn't be sheeping

Which is why I asked for him/her to explain in their own words on why they think duck is scum.

[Logically Insane]

Since it is so easy are you willing to do a 1 for 1 trade? Lynch us both?

-DucK

You first kiddo. I assume you mean your scum partner is jsut going to shoot me at night.
That's what you meant by 1:1 right.

Also risk is anything which is not 100%.
Sorry unless I hacked MattZed or Your Account. It would be a risk. Even if we had 5 sheriffs say you were scum. It would still be a risk.

[Logically Insane]

@Sino @powerofdeath Why aren't both of you on the SexyDuck wagon, you heard them. They want to make a deal. And me being the shrewd negotiator have decided that its a deal worth accepting.

Won't you help us come together to lynch scum?

[Sino]

@Sino @powerofdeath Why aren't both of you on the SexyDuck wagon, you heard them. They want to make a deal. And me being the shrewd negotiator have decided that its a deal worth accepting.

Won't you help us come together to lynch scum?

It's way too early to me, we still have people who didn't post yet

[Voss]

Read list time since I uncharacteristically have not yet:

Town:
Sino Inquisitive, not always correct, but is looking in the right places. When he pinged out calix, it does not matter if calix feels his point was accurate, but that he is noticing that in his mind there is a shift in what calix told him is her way of playing as town. He questions her, but does not use it against her meaning he is trying to find out the slot's alignment and not make bcd look bad. In his questioning of me he wanted my reasoning and liked some of what I had to say and followed up on it. On his follow up he disagreed with my logic, but accepted my reasoning. He also pinged out unknown's play as similar to a previous game as mafia and has been in dialogue with him over it.
Unknown1234 He is actually putting in work this game, trying to solve it. I can definitely see where a lot of his content is faked or forced, but he has done several things I have liked and read as town. He is high up on my town list, but do not be surprised if I do a complete flip on him.
Kovath I have him as very strong town or the FBI agent. I have liked his posts thus far, and liked his second pinging out of my buddy attempt. I called out why he does not get town points for me for mentioning it, and then he used the same sort of reasoning almost when I rebuddied him and I read him as town. Minor gut feeling on fbi agent, not very strong, but noting it.

Null:

God Emperor Trudeau Little content, I did not mind what she posted so far and her standing firm and not conforming. Do not agree with the joker read, but probable town once she contributes more.
Borderline Crazy Dealers This is a tricky one for me because for some reason I have been having a hard time seeing calix vs banana. I am leaning town on them, but have some suspicion on the intent of some of their posts.
G4slight I hate the number shit he does, but one post is not enough to read them. Only put them in here because they were on earlier. All of the people not listed fit in this same category rk-pod- fatalis

Mafia:
Voss I found it odd how much voss has focused on meta. He does not know our meta, but that should not concern him as he should be able to use his reads to accurately place himself in the game. I did not like his read list at all, and how he constantly had to bookmark posts before finishing. I would like to hear more from him.
Logically Insane Terrible read list, convenient that I am their top scum read, I know. They harp on me harping on their shitposting, but I feel I have actually moved the game along. I do not feel they are doing this, and that their "chaos" roleplay was not roleplay based on their focus on changing the topic to setup speculation. I am lightheaded reading their posts, but I hope I am able to see more from them, and able to read them better based on actual content and not this roleplay setup spec bullshit.
Shifty First post, got pinged out, went afk, came back did not acknowledge it, changed the subject, done fuck all since.

-Duck

Sino: I need to reread him more. Don't know who calix is, unless its BCD, and its annoying you're going by calix(not a scum tell, just makes game harder for me to follow(man i'm tired))
Unknown: mostly disagree, it seems like our reads are pretty reversed.
Kovath: I don't remember the buddying posts. If you know what they are, it'd be really helpful for me if you found them.
BCD: I agree completely with you on this
G4Slight: who the fuck is this guy?
Voss: addressed already
Logically Insane: I don't know how much you've moved along the game besides getting yourself read as scum. If that's your definition, I can agree with that. I also hate roleplay, but his isn't that bad... I can follow it and enjoy it.
Shifty: What's pinged out? I have a slight town read on shifty, kinda lumping him with Logically.
Powerofdeath: you didn't really address him, but I'd be also down to lynch this guy. for OG reasons but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯



I like the divide I'm seeing in this game.

[SexyDucK]

You first kiddo. I assume you mean your scum partner is jsut going to shoot me at night.
That's what you meant by 1:1 right.

Also risk is anything which is not 100%.
Sorry unless I hacked MattZed or Your Account. It would be a risk. Even if we had 5 sheriffs say you were scum. It would still be a risk.

Actually you first because

I am claiming TPR.

and yes I am still agreeing to the 1 for 1 trade.

-DucK

[Sino]

Don't know who calix is, unless its BCD, and its annoying you're going by calix(not a scum tell, just makes game harder for me to follow(man i'm tired))

Yes, Calix is the posting head of BCD

[SexyDucK]

-vote logically insane

I am a beguiler. I am at no risk for dieing or being moled tonight by claiming unless I hide in the wrong house.

I think I have a good idea who the other regular TPR is.

-DucK

[Voss]

Since it is so easy are you willing to do a 1 for 1 trade? Lynch us both?

-DucK

were you posting at the beginning of the game too? I see this as a slight town slip, or purposeful. probaly the first one.

[Voss]

-vote logically insane

I am a beguiler. I am at no risk for dieing or being moled tonight by claiming unless I hide in the wrong house.

I think I have a good idea who the other regular TPR is.

-DucK

wtf. why.

[Kovath]

-vote logically insane

I am a beguiler. I am at no risk for dieing or being moled tonight by claiming unless I hide in the wrong house.

I think I have a good idea who the other regular TPR is.

-DucK

What was the rationale for claiming at this moment? Pressure hasn't picked up too much on you yet and it's still pretty early.

[Logically Insane]

-vote logically insane

I am a beguiler. I am at no risk for dieing or being moled tonight by claiming unless I hide in the wrong house.

I think I have a good idea who the other regular TPR is.

-DucK

"Other regular tpr"
Why would there only be one other tpr with 11 townies?

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

-vote logically insane

I am a beguiler. I am at no risk for dieing or being moled tonight by claiming unless I hide in the wrong house.

I think I have a good idea who the other regular TPR is.

-DucK

Why would you claim as a Beguiler of all things? You're at L-4 (nowhere close to a lynch) and if you are in fact a Beguiler, there's a snowball's chance in hell you're going to be targeted by scum. This was not a pro-town play by any means...

[Logically Insane]

-vote logically insane

I am a beguiler. I am at no risk for dieing or being moled tonight by claiming unless I hide in the wrong house.

I think I have a good idea who the other regular TPR is.

-DucK

This is exclusively scummy.

Here's why.
If he is beguiler, his action is now pointless since scum won't shoot him most likely.
He just shortened the list of people who can be GF/Consig the 2 easily confirmable roles that are very useful late game.
No one asked for this information.

[Logically Insane]

Actually you first because

I am claiming TPR.

and yes I am still agreeing to the 1 for 1 trade.

-DucK

Claiming PR means nothing, and you shouldn't do it in this game. You are playing a game MattZed designed, I don't expect to setup spec based on roles at all because of that, unlike my other perosnas. And you are altering a deal you originally made to save yourself for another day.

Thats scummy shit. Why not lynch you first? Just because "DERP I AM A POWER ROLE I AM VALUABLE" ummm no.

-vote logically insane

I am a beguiler. I am at no risk for dieing or being moled tonight by claiming unless I hide in the wrong house.

I think I have a good idea who the other regular TPR is.

-DucK

I extremely don't believe this claim. As town, any fool would know not to role claim this early in the game, especially given we don't have everyone even posted yet.

So either:
A) You are a complete moron.
B) You are fake claiming to gain more credibility.

I will assume this isn't A, so B seems more reasonable.

[SexyDucK]

What was the rationale for claiming at this moment? Pressure hasn't picked up too much on you yet and it's still pretty early.

rationale is all 3 votes on me are my mafia reads, and they are reading a TPR as mafia, and I do not agree with their other scum reads. I am fine claiming since unless we no lynch I can not be directly targeted and killed unless they guess which house I go to.

If the godfather and consigliere out we have three confirmed? towns and can narrow down a lynch that is most likely successful.

-DucK

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Why would you claim as a Beguiler of all things? You're at L-4 (nowhere close to a lynch) and if you are in fact a Beguiler, there's a snowball's chance in hell you're going to be targeted by scum. This was not a pro-town play by any means...

Honestly, this sets off my tingly senses badly -- who the fuck claims at L-4 during the beginning of Day 1? Really don't like it and not sure I believe it.

[Sino]

About Shifty, i don't consider his early posting AI for it was the very beginning, and i'm thinking if he was scum, wouldn't he try to defend himself harder

Duck was it you who said being overly defensive is a scum tell ? what about underly defensive ?

What do you all think about Shifty not being defensive ? is that a town tell ?

Please don't forget to answer to this guys

[SexyDucK]

This claim was not approved by Sexy Isabella.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

rationale is all 3 votes on me are my mafia reads, and they are reading a TPR as mafia, and I do not agree with their other scum reads. I am fine claiming since unless we no lynch I can not be directly targeted and killed unless they guess which house I go to.

If the godfather and consigliere out we have three confirmed? towns and can narrow down a lynch that is most likely successful.

-DucK

We're not mass role claiming on Day 1 -- I'm amazed you would propose this type of a reckless plan. If the GF and Consig claim, then they're going to be killed / converted.

[Kovath]

Please don't forget to answer to this guys

I'm scumreading Shifty either way for content, not whether he's defensive or not. I've already mentioned how I don't consider defensiveness AI.

[Fatalis]

Hi! Catching up now

[Logically Insane]

Honestly, this sets off my tingly senses badly -- who the fuck claims at L-4 during the beginning of Day 1? Really don't like it and not sure I believe it.

The claim itself is rather stupid in itself. If they are truly Beguiler, that was the most nonsensical thing to do day 1.
Beguiler isn't some OP power role.

I almost want to think they are town, just for how stupid it is.

[Borderline Crazy Dealers]

Please don't forget to answer to this guys

Sino, can you start actually adding content yourself instead of just lazily directing people to your bland questions? It's starting to piss me off honestly and it's not helping us move discussion forward. We're supposed to be scum hunting here, not having a discussion about overly defensive vs. underly defensive play.

[SexyDucK]

I claimed because all 3 of my mafia reads are voting me and I cant be punished at night for it.

Yeah they can narrow down our confirmed roles by 1 slot, but if it means moving town in a better direction, I think it is more important to get a HIT day 1 then it is to have a higher chance of our confirmed roles not die at night.

-DucK

[Kovath]

The claim itself is rather stupid in itself. If they are truly Beguiler, that was the most nonsensical thing to do day 1.
Beguiler isn't some OP power role.

I almost want to think they are town, just for how stupid it is.

I agree with the sentiment expressed in the last comment, I'm gut-feeling that this is just a bad town play.

Scum would think hard about a gambit or claiming like this. I feel like town would be more likely to rush into it on impulse and half-cocked.

[SexyDucK]

Duck, I hope your fucking head explodes. We're at fucking L-4. I hope your head understands that. Or are you so fucking retarded that you can't? Seriously, you have to fucking tell me about these things before posting it. PLUS this was fucking ridiculous. It's like revealing as mayor D1 being L-91382139012380912. I'm not in a good mood today and, really, this just made me rage. I hope you consider your nazi attitude as fucking horrible and nuke yourself if needed. Thanks.

-Gyrlander/Bulbasaur/I don't give a shit

[Logically Insane]

Please don't forget to answer to this guys

The abscence of being defensive is not a town tell.

I haven't really read his posts.

if he was being very undefensive to a post such as ignoring it then it is a slight scum-tell.
Otherwise a moderate amount of defending a poke then countining is null.

~

[Logically Insane]

I agree with the sentiment expressed in the last comment, I'm gut-feeling that this is just a bad town play.

Scum would think hard about a gambit or claiming like this. I feel like town would be more likely to rush into it on impulse and half-cocked.

The claim makes more sense if you think of the player in terms of being a FBI Agent. Since they want to avoid checks and death.

[SexyDucK]

Stupid fuck.

[Shifty]

Duck, I hope your fucking head explodes. We're at fucking L-4. I hope your head understands that. Or are you so fucking retarded that you can't? Seriously, you have to fucking tell me about these things before posting it. PLUS this was fucking ridiculous. It's like revealing as mayor D1 being L-91382139012380912. I'm not in a good mood today and, really, this just made me rage. I hope you consider your nazi attitude as fucking horrible and nuke yourself if needed. Thanks.

-Gyrlander/Bulbasaur/I don't give a shit

Lmao.
Also, in which world does this claim even hold any weight what so ever?