S-FM 197: Sandbox

[Funce]

Then your willing to take the fall for Kovath.



Inconsequential, the concept is the same, and that is a weak argument.

I've never hinted RVS in any of my posts?!

[Firebringer]

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

[Quick]

This is funce trying to actively be the center of attention, but he isn't trying to actively sort or read players. He is creating noise. That is what a Jester does. THey create noise, they annoy players, and try to disrupt people from reading, and they don't hunt for scum so they are more likely to be voted.

He isn't very confident I would say, he is just saying random shit.

I swear Funce is acting like Donald Trump imitation right now lol.

Well I still think there is a good chance he is Scum and not of the jester variety.

[Funce]

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

I know one thing I can do to make you know.
However that is for a later day.

[Quick]

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

That's fine. We can lynch Kovath today and see how that goes. Lynch scum where you see 'em.

[G4slight]

How much experience do you have playing? Do you know how many games you have played?

I've played a lot on other sites, but it's been a little over a year since my last game. I'd say I am fairly experienced. I get a lot of gut readings and will usually dig deeper in on those. I also "beat the grass to look for snakes". Not everyone likes my gut reads and logic from them, but I find scum to slip the most under that type of pressure.

[Funce]

Am I just fully absolved, because that is the absolute worst play you could do.

[Quick]

I've played a lot on other sites, but it's been a little over a year since my last game. I'd say I am fairly experienced. I get a lot of gut readings and will usually dig deeper in on those. I also "beat the grass to look for snakes". Not everyone likes my gut reads and logic from them, but I find scum to slip the most under that type of pressure.

What's your read on Funce?

[G4slight]

I am like 80% sure Funce is a Jester lol.
I don't know if he can do anything to convince me he isn't.

Shouldn't be lynched today.
Going to probably start ignoring him :P

TBH after reading through his spam fest I've already put him on the back burner, but not completely.

[Funce]

I haven't targeted you Quick.
At all.
I'm only trying to get into the game. I have a tendency to lurk when people don't talk to me.
So I'm making myself some discussion.

and I did just kick us out of RVS.

[Kovath]

That's fine. We can lynch Kovath today and see how that goes. Lynch scum where you see 'em.

You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

[Kovath]

You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

Content on me that backs up your read, to be specific.

[Quick]

I haven't targeted you Quick.
At all.
I'm only trying to get into the game. I have a tendency to lurk when people don't talk to me.
So I'm making myself some discussion.

and I did just kick us out of RVS.

No, I kicked us out of RVS.

[Funce]

Well I understand what just happened.

[Funce]

No, I kicked us out of RVS.

You can't kick us out. I gave you the thing to kick.

[Firebringer]

You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

We are about 5 pages in. You can't tunnel someone 5 pages in.
COmpare this to you calling me scum for 60 some pages in World of Music.

Theres a huge difference in tunneling. THe game just started.

[Unknown1234]

G4 isn't buddying with me. Why?

[Unknown1234]

We are about 5 pages in. You can't tunnel someone 5 pages in.
COmpare this to you calling me scum for 60 some pages in World of Music.

Theres a huge difference in tunneling. THe game just started.

Ehem, I got tunnelled in 3 posts last game, sheesh

[G4slight]

What's your read on Funce?

What does RVS stand for?

Also I find him to be spammy, not sure if that's equitable to scummy atm, I usually find that to be more of a meta read on a person, i.e. Player X is posting a lot but not saying much that's usually one of their scum tells.

However if this behavior continues and it's cluttering up the actual gameplay, I am fine with a policy lynch.

[Firebringer]

Ehem, I got tunnelled in 3 posts last game, sheesh

We aren't going to have an argument based on what tunneling qualifies for.
Your reaction to pressure hasn't given me much so far.

Do you think Quick is scum for pushing you?

[G4slight]

G4 isn't buddying with me. Why?

Ummm should I be?

[Titus]

Kovath you are scum, because the moon says so. :-p

[Firebringer]

Kovath you are scum, because the moon says so. :-p

So sayeth the Moon Walker.

How you doing Mike? I mean Titus :P
Still being my trusty guard I hope

[G4slight]

You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

You seem super defensive, for such an early stage in the game. Your statement about Funce also seems weird.

[G4slight]

That's fine. We can lynch Kovath today and see how that goes. Lynch scum where you see 'em.

Is there a special reason for this? He seems to not be handling pressure well, but anything further than that?

[G4slight]

I know one thing I can do to make you know.
However that is for a later day.

I really don't like this post

[Titus]

Is there a special reason for this? He seems to not be handling pressure well, but anything further than that?

No reason beyond he's scum not reacting to pressure well. You need more than that?


Oh Fire, a lady never posts and tells the first day. ;)

[Quick]

Hype hype!

Opening vote of honor for the Pikachu:

-vote Gyrlander

Feigned excitement. Over the top delivery. Random vote.

-vote Kovath

Keep that talk up and the only thing getting rekt will be you in the night...

This seems like a threat more than anything. I'm not stupid enough to give away what role I am right off the bat. The post I made was bait for scum to say something like this.

If you think I'm being honest, that's up to the scumz to decide. I have no problems with my death. It will help my team.

Everyone should post a lot during RVS because even though I detest it, I get the best reads during RVS and Late game. If you are town Listen to me in late game. I'll try and town it up so it easy to see, but if I make it to late game do me a solid and give what I say some thought.

I have two people that I think are Sus at this point. @ika had a pointless vote and that doesn't add up to me. He is not my prime suspect though. Right now I'm looking at @Kovath who seems to have disappeared and had some questionable posts already.

First, as you point out, it's RVS. Second, even shitposting and random voting is useless because it generates reactions and content. Like yours to my first posts.

Third, I'm cooking dinner so you'll have to forgive me if I'm not posting for a bit :P

No, you have it backwards. You reacted to me, not the other way around. This is an easy way for scum to try and turn it around on me when they know full well what actually happened.

And shit posts and and random voting is how I get reads, like you agreed with, but didn't give me credit that that is what I was trying to do. -1 for you.

And you said you were cooking dinner and nothing about having to leave for a bit to eat it. Why leave that out?

So you don't have anything more substantive to go off of, just your "gut feeling", proclamations of previous proficiency, and insinuations that I am scum thinly veiled in rhetorical question form. Got it.

You say you're best at the beginning and at the end. Explain more about your midgame, then.

That's not true.. at all. How could you possible know the extent of my game if you have never played with me before?

The fact that you want me to talk about mid mid game is completely off topic and has no relevance to this beginning of the day. you ask about this as if to change the subject from the focus being on you to on me. There is no reason to ask this question if you have a town mindset. you think I'm self absorbed or something and think stroking my ego to get me to talk about myself will get me to think about me rather than you. So far up to this point all you have tried to do is discredit me and say "see, he has no reasons, he can't be right. So what if my gut reads are good? What do you do if my start of day one reads are on point. So far you haven't even entertained that possibility. You come off as super defensive for having a new face blindly accuse you of being scum.

You are tunneling me extremely hard right now due to the two shitposts I made today to begin the game. You're not even trying to critically evaluate my later posts, you're just running away with this initial read of me. I get that you can be extremely confident in your early reads but I'm not inclined to take you seriously until you start providing content.

I really doubt that Funce is Jester. Playing the way is he seems like the exact way to not get lynched D1.

Here you are trying to get me to feel guilty for having reads this early in the game attempting to make me second guess myself. Like I said, you are coming across way too defensively to just be a town feeling me out. You comment on that there are already 3 votes on you during RVS is very telling.

Content on me that backs up your read, to be specific.

Here.

[Kovath]

You seem super defensive, for such an early stage in the game. Your statement about Funce also seems weird.

It's very easy to throw out the "You seem defensive" at someone as a scum slight, yet very little do I actually see it backed up with anything. My point was I want to hear some actual reasoning for why a collection of individuals have scumread me off shitposts. Analysis of my recent posts, I can accept. Scumreading me in order to get my reactions, that is something that I can accept. All I've gotten so far is the aforementioned "These feel like scum excuses" and that the moon apparently decided to scumread me. This is not an approach that I believe is productive to town. Gut feelings are important but should be backed up by content. Relying on gut feelings to conduct lynches is not a pro-town way to play the game, so what I am requesting is that we begin moving in that direction.

This train also feels quite opportunistic, like scum are just swinging their way aboard to make themselves seem useful and productive.

As for Funce, Fire's and some other reactions are why I made that statement. I feel like people playing that way are looking to survive to later days (and hopefully to contribute then), which does not fit the wincon of a Jester.

[G4slight]

No reason beyond he's scum not reacting to pressure well. You need more than that?


Oh Fire, a lady never posts and tells the first day. ;)

I would usually like to see the trend happening over an extended period of time, but yeah, I agree bad handling of pressure is like in the top 3 scum tells. But usually applies to newer players imo

[Quick]

I would usually like to see the trend happening over an extended period of time, but yeah, I agree bad handling of pressure is like in the top 3 scum tells. But usually applies to newer players imo

Keep in mind this guy has 9 rep power.

I say we string him up.

[Titus]

There is not going to be an extended period. Days last 2 IRL days.

[Firebringer]

Keep in mind this guy has 9 rep power.

I say we string him up.

Rep power might be the most hilarious reason I ever heard to vote someone up.

[Kovath]

I cooked my dinner and ate it, as was implied by the act of cooking it. I have no idea how that fits into your "Kovath is scum" narrative.

If I'm scum, do I react to your 'bait' in that manner in such an obvious way in a shitpost? Or am I being so obvious that I must be scum after all? Not something I would consider alignment-indicative.

I will grant you your point on you getting reads off reactions and such. I would argue that your vote was a reaction to my beginning vote, which I then reacted to, but that argument would probably devolve to little productive.

On the contrary, I believe it is a town perspective to take. You spoke quite a bit about your early and late games. What should town expect from you in the midgame? Will you continue to push your early reads, searching for content to back them up? What kind of mechanical decisions should town expect? Since you are presenting an image of yourself as a player, I requested that you make it a complete one, and the argument that I was just intending to derail the conversation makes little sense given your continued focus on me. It was a serious question intended to get a serious answer.

I don't know where trying to guilt you into anything came into any statement I made. I will grant that my reaction to 3 votes was a bit over-the-top, though, as you say. I defend myself by saying that I was surprised by where it came from, considering its gut-read-based origins.

I am liking this trend, though. We're moving into more substantial discussion.

[G4slight]

It's very easy to throw out the "You seem defensive" at someone as a scum slight, yet very little do I actually see it backed up with anything. My point was I want to hear some actual reasoning for why a collection of individuals have scumread me off shitposts. Analysis of my recent posts, I can accept. Scumreading me in order to get my reactions, that is something that I can accept. All I've gotten so far is the aforementioned "These feel like scum excuses" and that the moon apparently decided to scumread me. This is not an approach that I believe is productive to town. Gut feelings are important but should be backed up by content. Relying on gut feelings to conduct lynches is not a pro-town way to play the game, so what I am requesting is that we begin moving in that direction.

This train also feels quite opportunistic, like scum are just swinging their way aboard to make themselves seem useful and productive.

As for Funce, Fire's and some other reactions are why I made that statement. I feel like people playing that way are looking to survive to later days (and hopefully to contribute then), which does not fit the wincon of a Jester.

Dude, I'm not scum reading you because of your shitpost, I'm scum reading you because your reaction to other people calling you out, and you over explaining things. I also didn't have you as a hard scum read, since I wanted to see your further reactions and the way you handled things. This however has elevated you in my mind.

You also seem like you are trying to buddy up with Funce in that last part, appealing to him since if you are mafia you obviously know he isn't so you're trying to earn town cred.

[Quick]

Rep power might be the most hilarious reason I ever heard to vote someone up.

I'll be here all day (read my siggy and I think you'll get it).

[G4slight]

Keep in mind this guy has 9 rep power.

I say we string him up.

What is rep power?

[Quick]

I cooked my dinner and ate it, as was implied by the act of cooking it. I have no idea how that fits into your "Kovath is scum" narrative.

If I'm scum, do I react to your 'bait' in that manner in such an obvious way in a shitpost? Or am I being so obvious that I must be scum after all? Not something I would consider alignment-indicative.

I will grant you your point on you getting reads off reactions and such. I would argue that your vote was a reaction to my beginning vote, which I then reacted to, but that argument would probably devolve to little productive.

On the contrary, I believe it is a town perspective to take. You spoke quite a bit about your early and late games. What should town expect from you in the midgame? Will you continue to push your early reads, searching for content to back them up? What kind of mechanical decisions should town expect? Since you are presenting an image of yourself as a player, I requested that you make it a complete one, and the argument that I was just intending to derail the conversation makes little sense given your continued focus on me. It was a serious question intended to get a serious answer.

I don't know where trying to guilt you into anything came into any statement I made. I will grant that my reaction to 3 votes was a bit over-the-top, though, as you say. I defend myself by saying that I was surprised by where it came from, considering its gut-read-based origins.

I am liking this trend, though. We're moving into more substantial discussion.

Well your first mistake is that you have to defend yourself at all.

Bag 'em and tag 'em.

[Firebringer]

I'll be here all day (read my siggy and I think you'll get it).

They have a different name for that here.

"Right for the wrong reasons" is called the firebriner effect.
:P

[Kovath]

What is rep power?

A site thing that is being used as justification that I'm an experienced player.

I think it's a product of posts, activity, and reputation given.

[G4slight]

I cooked my dinner and ate it, as was implied by the act of cooking it. I have no idea how that fits into your "Kovath is scum" narrative.

If I'm scum, do I react to your 'bait' in that manner in such an obvious way in a shitpost? Or am I being so obvious that I must be scum after all? Not something I would consider alignment-indicative.

I will grant you your point on you getting reads off reactions and such. I would argue that your vote was a reaction to my beginning vote, which I then reacted to, but that argument would probably devolve to little productive.

On the contrary, I believe it is a town perspective to take. You spoke quite a bit about your early and late games. What should town expect from you in the midgame? Will you continue to push your early reads, searching for content to back them up? What kind of mechanical decisions should town expect? Since you are presenting an image of yourself as a player, I requested that you make it a complete one, and the argument that I was just intending to derail the conversation makes little sense given your continued focus on me. It was a serious question intended to get a serious answer.

I don't know where trying to guilt you into anything came into any statement I made. I will grant that my reaction to 3 votes was a bit over-the-top, though, as you say. I defend myself by saying that I was surprised by where it came from, considering its gut-read-based origins.

I am liking this trend, though. We're moving into more substantial discussion.

Are you referring to yourself in the part I bolded? Since if you are making posts and taking a line of thinking because "You believe it's the town perspective" on the issue, I mean that's self explanatory for how incriminating that is.

[Quick]

What is rep power?

Look at my avatar, then look below it. at the bottom of that section it tell what your rep power is. I asked about this earlier. How it works is people can give you rep. It also accumulates as you post, but this guy has more than average for the amount of posts he has.

[Titus]

Kov, you are aware that Quick is damn near conftown right? What are your other reads?

[Firebringer]

Kov, you are aware that Quick is damn near conftown right? What are your other reads?

How is he conf town? he is in my strong town pool, but conf is a bit much.....

[G4slight]

How is he conf town? he is in my strong town pool, but conf is a bit much.....

Would also like the answer to this, as I do see Quick as town, in my hard town list, he is actively scum hunting and playing in a very pro town way, but he could be scum trying to lead the town at an early stage to coast to endgame. So I wouldn't say conf town at all.

[Quick]

Kov, you are aware that Quick is damn near conftown right? What are your other reads?

yeah, town is the only thing I am good at, lol.

[Kovath]

Are you referring to yourself in the part I bolded? Since if you are making posts and taking a line of thinking because "You believe it's the town perspective" on the issue, I mean that's self explanatory for how incriminating that is.

That comment was made in response to a point that Quick indicating something I said as not-town-perspective. That should be more than enough explanation.

I have no idea how Quick is confirmed town at all. Seeing as I know I am town, I'm townreading him for his scumhunting but he could still be mafia pouncing on a perceived opportunity.

There are some people I'm waiting to hear more content from. Lightly scumreading Titus for sheeping and no content. Firebringer light town.

Some of the people haven't posted much at all or usefully, so I'm not going to try to read them at the moment.

I'm honestly more inclined to townread G4 for training me right now, but could be opportunistic scum. I'll keep a close eye out.

Oh, Unknown is also a scumread.

[Quick]

That comment was made in response to a point that Quick indicating something I said as not-town-perspective. That should be more than enough explanation.

I have no idea how Quick is confirmed town at all. Seeing as I know I am town, I'm townreading him for his scumhunting but he could still be mafia pouncing on a perceived opportunity.

There are some people I'm waiting to hear more content from. Lightly scumreading Titus for sheeping and no content. Firebringer light town.

Some of the people haven't posted much at all or usefully, so I'm not going to try to read them at the moment.

I'm honestly more inclined to townread G4 for training me right now, but could be opportunistic scum. I'll keep a close eye out.

Oh, Unknown is also a scumread.

Unknown is not scum.

[Kovath]

Unknown is not scum.

I just looked at all his posts again and found nothing that would have given me this impression.

[Titus]

yeah, town is the only thing I am good at, lol.

Yeah I knew within five posts this wasn't your group scum game in Sudoken.