S-FM 192 : To Love And To Be Loved!

[Frozen Angel]

End Day Vote Count :

Skip Day (3): Firebringer, Gyrlander, Funce Firebringer (2): FYRE, SuperJack FYRE (1): secondpassing

With 6 players alive 4 votes were required to lynch.

Alive : SuperJack FYRE Firebringer Funce Secondpassing Gyrlander

Dead : Yukitaka Oni ArchAngel Town citizen BananaCucho Town Love Guardian

It's Now Night 5

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

[Frozen Angel]

You found the body of Funce

He Was Town Love Redirector

Alive : SuperJack FYRE Firebringer Secondpassing Gyrlander

Dead : Yukitaka Oni ArchAngel Town citizen Bananachucho Town Love Guardian Funce Town Love Redirector

It's Now Day 6

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DAYS HOURS MINUTES SECONDS

[Firebringer]

I guess I should have found that to be pretty obvious kill.
lol

-vote SuperJack

Not going any other way, You must go SJ!

[secondpassing]

-vote FYRE

Still on this.

[SuperJack]

-vote FYRE

Agreed.

[Frozen Angel]

End Day Vote Count :

SuperJack (1): Firebringer FYRE (2): secondpassing, SuperJack, [Hated]

With 5 players alive 3 votes were required to lynch.

Fyre got lynched

He Was Town Lovely Lover

Alive : SuperJack Firebringer Secondpassing Gyrlander

Dead : Yukitaka Oni ArchAngel Town citizen Bananachucho Town Love Guardian Funce Town Love Redirector FYRE Town Lovely Lover

As nothing can prevent a Mafia Victory

Mafia Won !
Congrats to Superjack and Second Passing

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

This is were you can see what happened in game.

and I will publish all the quick topics asap

[MattZed]

But the timer says 24 hours were left of day?

[Frozen Angel]

But the timer says 24 hours were left of day?

midday vote count.

As I said I will check the lynches each 24 hours (as I was doing all the game long).

[Frozen Angel]

from game setup:

-> day phases last 48 hours. You might end the day early by lynching someone in 24 hours.

[Frozen Angel]

All the private topics :

https://www.quicktopic.com/share?s=JvXo

[Firebringer]

GOD DAMN YOU SUPERJACK!

[Firebringer]

I SO SAID HE WAS SCUM!
INCONSISTENCY

I am a little shocked about Secondpassing tbh.
But he always acts a bit weird.

[Firebringer]

#Mad

>.>
Fricking Fyre and Archangel.

[Frozen Angel]

Guys honestly I was really frustrated while modding this game.

None of you were actually playing it.

and Fyre could have saved himself from that absurd lynch by loving someone (he already had 2 lovers) [just a reminder town could have reached the loved state as well]

anyway. I can only say frustrating

[Firebringer]

Guys honestly I was really frustrated while modding this game.

None of you were actually playing it.

and Fyre could have saved himself from that absurd lynch by loving someone (he already had 2 lovers) [just a reminder town could have reached the loved state as well]

anyway. I can only say frustrating

[Firebringer]

I am sorry frozen I tried a bit.
Also add me on skype

[Calix]

Guys honestly I was really frustrated while modding this game.

None of you were actually playing it.

and Fyre could have saved himself from that absurd lynch by loving someone (he already had 2 lovers) [just a reminder town could have reached the loved state as well]

anyway. I can only say frustrating

It's because you got a crap-shoot in terms of player quality.

I do have to ask though, what's the concept behind this setup? As in, how are the mechanics meant to find or/ and help scum?

[Firebringer]

I kind of wanted to tell you Frozen in private, Fyre and Archangel have never played a game legit, and they kind of troll our forums....
I should have said this before, I kind of took game less serious because of them.

Sorry.

[Calix]

These two trolls will never play legitimately, so that gives me an excuse to not play either.

Sorry.

FTFY

[Firebringer]

FTFY

Marry me.

[Calix]

Marry me.

I'd go further and say that most of the players who signed only did it because of the theme. Case in point, this comment + the god-awful flirting at the start of the game.

[Frozen Angel]

This game was pure math

consider all loves in a graph, players must make sure they can see all the possible nodes. Mafia must be real careful with their night shot as they might end up suiciding if they choose one of their lovers and town must haunt these wifom's. all of the roles has a use as town and as mafia for example adorable lover might help mafia in a lylo like this to avoid getting hated lynch.

In this game No night action will solve the game for eaither town or mafia. The game is purely based on manipulation (in main thread or in private topics) for mafia and scum haunting by town. analyzing the game concepts will cause just more WIFOM becuase all actions make sense both ways.

[Firebringer]

This game was pure math

consider all loves in a graph, players must make sure they can see all the possible nodes. Mafia must be real careful with their night shot as they might end up suiciding if they choose one of their lovers and town must haunt these wifom's. all of the roles has a use as town and as mafia for example adorable lover might help mafia in a lylo like this to avoid getting hated lynch.

In this game No night action will solve the game for eaither town or mafia. The game is purely based on manipulation (in main thread or in private topics) for mafia and scum haunting by town. analyzing the game concepts will cause just more WIFOM becuase all actions make sense both ways.

Okay....no one was really careful with loving each other. SO I guess no one really was playing the game.
Everyone just loving anyone they could.

Really wasn't pro town now that I think about it.

[Frozen Angel]

players must really care about their state and others state in love graph but they shouldn't let discussing it fill the game thread or their done

[Frozen Angel]

Okay....no one was really careful with loving each other. SO I guess no one really was playing the game.
Everyone just loving anyone they could.

Really wasn't pro town now that I think about it.

actually thats an strategy here. town must keep loving others to stop mafia killing freely. Town could force mafia to buy a wifomy shot.

[Frozen Angel]

oh and you guys let both mafia to reach the loved state without even thinking about reaching there yourselves :P

I mean all you guys was worrying was to stop yourselves from reaching the loved state that you forgot analyzing others

[Firebringer]

Stop being upset with me Frozen!
I am already upset with myself enough

[DarknessB]

I'd go further and say that most of the players who signed only did it because of the theme. Case in point, this comment + the god-awful flirting at the start of the game.

This is the explanation in a nutshell. Despite the theme, this particular setup was very much driven by math and careful analytics, as Frozen Angel has said. Unfortunately, the theme lent itself to players signing who wanted to think about love or RP being in love, rather than focus on such analytics.

This is very evident by the game setup and signup threads, which are full of lovey type messages and not focused on the game mechanics themselves. Essentially, the theme drew a player base that wasn't focused on what was required to do well in this game. No one's fault, but just a mismatch really.

[Frozen Angel]

Stop being upset with me Frozen!
I am already upset with myself enough

I'm not upset! Game just was too longer than it should have been!

[Gyrlander]

I swear I was suspicious on sp from how he wanted me to vote FYRE. I was going to vote sp and realised... THE GAME FINISHED??? Omg

[Frozen Angel]

It was a bit late for deducing that


10 votes to hammer.

[Frozen Angel]

-vote secondpassing

She could end game by herself from my pov.

[secondpassing]

Guys honestly I was really frustrated while modding this game.

None of you were actually playing it.

and Fyre could have saved himself from that absurd lynch by loving someone (he already had 2 lovers) [just a reminder town could have reached the loved state as well]

anyway. I can only say frustrating

The combination of being busy and double Blizzard releases killed some player's activity.

I was considering taking over day chat on the last day but SuperJack had other plans. Town should have discussed something...

Frozen Angel, this game was much more complex than I initally thought. For a town victory at like day3/4, they needed to do some planned breakups, which would force is to do WIFOMy love choices thereafter.

[DarknessB]

The combination of being busy and double Blizzard releases killed some player's activity.

I was considering taking over day chat on the last day but SuperJack had other plans. Town should have discussed something...

Frozen Angel, this game was much more complex than I initally thought. For a town victory at like day3/4, they needed to do some planned breakups, which would force is to do WIFOMy love choices thereafter.

I mean, you were scum -- there's the somewhat unpopular adage that it's not scum's responsibility to lead the Town (nor obviously, should the Town want to be led by scum, lol). The Town level of inactivity was far more their problem than yours and SJ's. Not to say that you should aspire to be the lurking scum that everyone hates during games, but the clock was certainly in your favor in terms of no lynches and game progression.

Personally, I think it was much more the mismatch theory in terms of the type of game the players who signed wanted to play (RP about love and terrible flirting) vs. the type of game this actually was (highly analytical and requiring careful sequencing by the Town). No one really got into the strategy much and it killed the Town.

[Calix]

I mean, you were scum -- there's the somewhat unpopular adage that it's not scum's responsibility to lead the Town (nor obviously, should the Town want to be led by scum, lol). The Town level of inactivity was far more their problem than yours and SJ's. Not to say that you should aspire to be the lurking scum that everyone hates during games, but the clock was certainly in your favor in terms of no lynches and game progression.

It might not be their 'responsibility' to lead the town, but it can't hurt to actually strive to improve your scum game by leading town when they are relatively inactive. It's low-hanging fruit and you get good experience from it that will help you in more active/ challenging games. Winning might be 'nice' in the short-term - if you can describe out-lurking the town as a 'victory' - but if you always play it safe, you'll get nothing out of playing in the long-term.

[DarknessB]

It might not be their 'responsibility' to lead the town, but it can't hurt to actually strive to improve your scum game by leading town when they are relatively inactive. It's low-hanging fruit and you get good experience from it that will help you in more active/ challenging games. Winning might be 'nice' in the short-term - if you can describe out-lurking the town as a 'victory' - but if you always play it safe, you'll get nothing out of playing in the long-term.

Oh certainly -- it's a valuable skill in boosting both your scum game and your Town game. In every game, there will be Town players who behave questionably enough to deserve to be pushed as a part of basic scumhunting. Might as well practice doing so when you are scum and there's no pressure to be right on your reads. Also, there will be situations where you mislynch as Town so better you know how to react to that vs. serving yourself up as the next lynch for making that mistake. This was as good of a time to practice as any, especially with a somewhat weaker Town here. In general, learning how to make a persuasive case, regardless of alignment, is important -- not being able to do so is going to limit you severely in game. Better you be able to play the leader role at times as well as the follower / sheep role.

[Frozen Angel]

Frozen Angel, this game was much more complex than I initially thought. For a town victory at like day3/4, they needed to do some planned breakups, which would force is to do WIFOMy love choices thereafter.

as I said no action is necessary assuring a faction victory. Town could have gamed with loving as much as they could use breakups and the hated modifiers. The point was town was using neither to analyse and scums never got caught in any kind of wifomy situation

and yeah keep in mind my setups are extremely complex unless I'm intended to run something simple for like teaching newbies or stuff .

[DarknessB]

and yeah keep in mind my setups are extremely complex unless I'm intended to run something simple for like teaching newbies or stuff .

For SC2Mafia, "simple for teaching newbies" might be a decent idea for our player base. Candidly, we've been spoiled rotten by odd setups (the junk food / candy of the Mafia world) and could use some better fundamentals-type games to help people develop their basic skills.

[Calix]

as I said no action is necessary assuring a faction victory. Town could have gamed with loving as much as they could use breakups and the hated modifiers. The point was town was using neither to analyse and scums never got caught in any kind of wifomy situation

and yeah keep in mind my setups are extremely complex unless I'm intended to run something simple for like teaching newbies or stuff .

You are going to have to be selective about who you let in for your games then if you want a successful complex game

[Frozen Angel]

Then I might help you with some simpler ideas that will force people to scum haunt

[SuperJack]

I was really upped for this game and wanted to play it. But I was put off by peoples attitude, so I went for the lazy Scum win. What put me off the most was seeing both fyre and and archangle coming on at the same time and both straight away loving each other with their first posts within a few minutes of each other. Ogc I suspect at its finest.

That an then the lynch on Yuki was completely terrible and racist. <3

[Calix]

I was really upped for this game and wanted to play it. But I was put off by peoples attitude, so I went for the lazy Scum win. What put me off the most was seeing both fyre and and archangle coming on at the same time and both straight away loving each other with their first posts within a few minutes of each other. Ogc I suspect at its finest.

That an then the lynch on Yuki was completely terrible and racist. <3

How many times have you snatched the 'lazy scum win' now?

Just prevent them from playing in the future. Even you're not defending them; a miracle if I've ever seen one.

Problem solved.

[DarknessB]

How many times have you snatched the 'lazy scum win' now?

Just prevent them from playing in the future. Even you're not defending them; a miracle if I've ever seen one.

Problem solved.

Yet another reason to make Wiki section on FM Meta, lol. I'll add "Lazy Scum Win".

[SuperJack]

How many times have you snatched the 'lazy scum win' now?

Just prevent them from playing in the future. Even you're not defending them; a miracle if I've ever seen one.

Problem solved.

Just shows how little effort I need to give to win ;)

[Yukitaka Oni]

I was really upped for this game and wanted to play it. But I was put off by peoples attitude, so I went for the lazy Scum win. What put me off the most was seeing both fyre and and archangle coming on at the same time and both straight away loving each other with their first posts within a few minutes of each other. Ogc I suspect at its finest.

That an then the lynch on Yuki was completely terrible and racist. <3

Dats wasis

[BananaCucho]

Guys honestly I was really frustrated while modding this game.

None of you were actually playing it.

and Fyre could have saved himself from that absurd lynch by loving someone (he already had 2 lovers) [just a reminder town could have reached the loved state as well]

anyway. I can only say frustrating

I can honestly say I didn't try this game. I'm sorry