None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
I don't even get what the purpose of your posts are aside from to cast unnecessary suspicion onto one of the most easily-confirmed roles ever.
If your role is this confirmable, why would you think you were fucked? The only people that would early-hammer in this game would be Empathy17. (see Flashpoint) Nobody else does it because they get so much flak on this site.
This only makes sense if your role DOESN'T confirm alignment.
Is this a claim of having the Macho modifier? Not sure how else to read this. If it's not, then just say 'No' and don't elaborate.
Is your ability passive or active? Do you have to PM the Host to activate your ability or does it happen naturally as soon as Day 1 ends?
Spoiler : Claim :
Quoting for reference. Again, can't comment much further on this without knowing wherever their alignment is confirmed.
What i'm worried about is they mentioned a last will and wipe thingy.
And i'm just hoping they aren't some sort of disguiser variant.
I see we forgot to remove our vote after the claim. Whooops.
-unvote
Not liking the continual push on a IC claim.
Alright ill be back at EoD
Im not satisfied with rlvg cage calette and funcall atm.
Yet atm i feel rlvg and tdl are still scum.
Many people suspect hel and ozw but ofc you can only scrutinise people who actually post
Helz Here.
I left because I wanted to pass out. It was like 1 or 2 AM last night and I had been hitting that bottle pretty good. You can try to twist that shit into a scum tell if you want to but I don't give a fuck how you read me. This is still my thoughts.
You have 3 experienced heads in that Hydra yet you have done zero real scum hunting. When flat out asked to point out a single scum tell last night you avoided the question. I never said "Detailed scum reads" I just asked you to specifically give reasoning for any read. Your slot is constantly throwing shit around like "This player is my top XXXXX read" but there is never any reasoning with it. All you have done is push on Empathy while saying all kinds of conflicting bullshit about how you guys read the slot. If 2/3 of your hydra town reads the slot why the hell would you allow your 3rd to push on it? That is just batshit insane.
In a word- I do see tons of scummy behavior from your slot and I also agree with Frog that Empathy pretty much can't be team scum. Heres your unvote just because of your role claim, but if you are lying I am going to be all over your ass again tomorrow.
-unvote
I will not be willing to vote either Calette or Tank today.
I am just gona cut back for a second and say this again.
If you are going to read a player give reasoning with it. Its worthless to say you scum read a slot without saying why. The only way good lynches happen is if someone steps up and explains exactly why it is they scum read the slot. This way other players can look at the read and agree/disagree and there is a foundation for a good train.
But that isn't your role. IC is confirmed from the very start of the game, lolwut.
If this is what you've submitted, then just lol. This is something that can be faked at any time.
The role fishing of this hydra, the explicit outburst, that they're a "miller" and someone claims being an Innocent Child which isn't confirmed, this is just a massive big red herring.
-vote OrpZedWorlds
This whole discussion is just...
Yes.
Why'd you leave out the sun emoji? I think it creates a huge sense of tone that is critical for the interpretation of the chat. Less urgent and more "Ah fuck, I can't believe you've done this". It was essentially a joke off the slippery slope fallacy.
Unfortunately, I do have a Macho modifier. This will be part of the confirmed package. It's analogous to how some Mayors can't be protected by heal. This ability is passive. We have two other "Aspects of (HydraHead)" but they are passive as well.
I asked my Hydraheads yesterday and they said that they made the password, not Fire. Which means Disguiser and co. are mechanically ruled out because Fire doesn't know the passwords. Also because we have main accounts playing so it would be awfully weird to ask for their account.
t. Orpz
MattZed and I Town read Empathy but Deathworlds is free to have his own opinion and pursue it. Even if I thought it was misguided, his conversation with her was productive.
Fair enough, I'll rip into Funcall during my break today (starts at noon).
Dude I never said that was my role. I literally said that that was the UPick idea I sent to Firebringer and explained how it helped shaped my current role.
t. Orpz
Done catching up.
My one qualm is that there's always the possibility that their role gets to make the mod say whatever they want during night, even confirming them as a different alignment. If that's the case, this is the most bastard setup ever, and we're fucked.
They haven't done anything resembling scumhunting, and have only focused on the neutral, which is by itself a scumtell. Who gives a fuck about the neutral? We're here to nail the scum like this was Golgotha 00 CE.
Working under the assumption that they're Town, regardless of being useless as fuck, then I'll go back to my previous hypothesis and say that there's at least one scum among Hell Frog and Calette.
I've already stated my thoughts on Hell Frog.
Calette has been super passive, and now they're using Funcall's lurking and being useless as a scumtell, even when Calix is always the first to say "That's just Mikecall being Mikecall" every single time I point out that he's doing nothing.
Hell Frog already has a vote, so might as well go there.
-vote Hell Frog
Also, we are going to claim in a bit, simply because we are going to be pretty much confirmed Town in a couple of hours. If OrpZedWorlds are telling the truth, then they're so rekt it's not even funny.
@Neutral, unless you got brain damage and went for a scum-sided wincon, your best play is to join the mighty Town and don't get in our way. If you play nice, we will give you your win before ending the game with our victory; we have the numbers and the time to do it, even if you picked a Jester.
-vote Hell Frog
Yeah, you did. You said that you town read me and before that you said that you thought myself or Calette could be scum because we were not leading the town. All I am going to say is that pool is as bad as the reasoning on it. Here is my vote
-vote Firebringer
While you are here though what do you think about RLVG?
I listed way more reasons than that. I'm also pretty sure that I've never said you are Town, because I haven't townread you for a second this game.
I would prefer if he elaborated on his thoughts on Cage, but he's alright.While you are here though what do you think about RLVG?
Tank- Pretty solid plays all around. Stays active and consistently seems to be working to solve the game. Also claims a conformable town role.
Calette- Very likely town.
Empathy- Either town or neutral. Likely town
Nicolas Cage- Null, This slot has trolled its ass off today. The moment I feel like they are about to start playing they cut right back to trolling. Either need to pressure the slot to play for real or wait until it quits pissing days away
RLVG- I always have 9 kinds of hell reading this player.
Funcall- Slightly leaning scum. Looks unproductive but something specific has kept me from pushing this slot today
TheDarkestLight- Slightly leaning scum. I presented my reasoning earlier
OrpzZedWorlds- I straight up scum read this slot so many ways. Constant contradictions and avoiding questions with a desire to lynch anything. Claims a conformable role. I bet were still going to lynch him tomorrow.
[3/29/2016 8:04:45 PM] MZ: But, I mean, when we claim that negative utility, who will believe we’re lying?
[3/29/2016 8:04:58 PM] DW: We got like, two negative utilities
[3/29/2016 8:05:06 PM] MZ: Exactly.
[3/29/2016 8:05:10 PM] MZ: How could we be scum?
[3/29/2016 8:05:14 PM] DW: three if you include the last will and wipe thing,
Talking about this third negative utility
Funcall's first post sets the tone for him not being a major contributor. This is interesting because whoever wrote this was probably thinking that his other hydra head wouldn't talk much either. Either they conspired to be lazy, or given their alignment, they knew they weren't going to contribute a lot.
Okay, cool. So he scumreads her but not Mafia-reads. Maybe he knows she isn't Mafia. If it's for a different reason that he neutral-reads her, he sure didn't state it.
Displays confidence in his neutral-read. How is this possible in early Day 1 unless you have prior knowledge about where Empathy's alignment could possible be? Or rather, since I'm calling Funcall out as Mafia, where Empathy's alignment cannot be. At this point, I really think Funcall is Mafia who knows that Empathy is not Mafia.
The next posts are passive, joking type posts. "I bet Calette will have lots of questions." "How is everyone?" etc.
Nothing on us, which is offensive because by this point we have already gathered a lot of attention and discussion. This post made me highly doubt that he read anything at all, and just went with the general tone in the last few posts.
Gonna take a brief intermission to reply to SFT.
t. Orpz
Easy- Here it is
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Why the fuck would I have a last will on day 1
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I am not sure what you are doing. But I will say that the only player I would be willing to lynch today based on chat would be TDL. Funcall would be an ok target if we had actually applied pressure and built a case before now but with only 6 town and 3 scum putting together a lynch this late in the day is a bad idea. The only real trains throughout the day were Empathy, TDL, and OrpzZedWorlds. My reasoning on TDL is pretty soft, Orpz is not gona happen with his claimed reveal about to happen and I have a soft town read on Empathy. Any other target may as well be a random lynch.
I almost always support lynching D1. Its my favorite day because its where there is the biggest gap between the informed perspective of scum and the uninformed perspective of town. This is when scumhunting is pure and nailing a scum is most gratifying. But throwing together a random lynch is both useless to analyze the next day as well as just a stupid play when its 6v2v1. Its a high risk situation that I am not willing to risk especially given that every player probably has some kind of night action that will be useful tomorrow. Hence my vote on Firebringer for the no lynch.
That said the most productive thing I feel we could do with this time we have left is to bounce ideas off etchother so we have more information to reference tomorrow. Forcing scum to take positions on players eliminates their ability to wiggle out of situations and limits their ability to just lynch anyone and say "I have been scum reading this slot all along"
(Spoiler Fail. Lol)
Fair point. I did read that, just forgot about that particular line.
Why are you townreading Calette? Both of the players on your account have read them as Town without giving a solid reason for it, and like I've said Calette is being a fluff mistress this game and I can't find a reason to color them green as opposed to leaving them on the grey, if feeling magnanimous.
Also, I'm ok with lynching Funcall for policy reasons if we don't reach a consensus soon. If anything, that'd get rid of a non-contributor who's only increasing the required ammount of votes required to lynch somebody.
By the way, when I say "I", I mean just me, and not the hydra as a whole. In thse cases, I'll use "we".
We haven't really discussed a lot other than actions and a little something that GameFreak just discovered, so when posting reads and leanings towards other players, just assume they are individual ones.
I don't like Funcalls name getting thrown around. Mikecall is always easy lynchbait day 1.
I would agree with this and say that you made some decent points above. I would honestly have to really dig into the role before saying I would be willing to lynch the slot. I do not like the timeline.
Could we get a day extension to make up for the time the thread was locked? Even if it was only locked 2 hours with 2 hours added it still took players longer to identify that it was back up and running