Post your thoughts on the world

[Mathmatical]

Hello everyone, I've noticed the personal forms haven't been very active. So i figured i would post something were you can talk about....well everything! My life recently has been very complicated. Such as going to a new school with academic standards much higher than my old school. so I've been busy.....but enough about that. Feel free to post your thoughts,opinions and stores on this form here.

[Yukitaka Oni]

As a communist. I care more about equality problem around the world more than a childish political war (bombing syria, vote for Trump....etc...)
Usa use terrorist to fight against the Soviet Union.....and now when the war ended, Terrorist fight Usa, i guess it's Karma...

[Mathmatical]

The idea of communism could work....the only thing is, its an idea. Most countries are communist art doing to well. China is beginning to have lots of financial problems with the recent stock market crash. Although you can't exactly blame this on communism [or Canada] you can see that communist nations are beginning to revert to a democratic form of government. In my opinion i think in 50-75 years communism may not exist anymore...maybe even less time then 50 years.

[SuperJack]

I just want a Cuppa Tea.

[Sen]

Obligatory "those aren't communist countries" comment: If there's private property, social classes, or a state, then it's not communism.

The USSR, for example, was a form of state capitalism. China is as communist as it is a "People's Republic". You name it; it's not communist.

You also seem to think that democracy and communism are mutually exclusive; they aren't. In fact, one could argue that democracy is kind of a requirement, since there's the whole distribution of the means of production thing.

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As for the world, it tastes better with a pint of vodka.

[Mathmatical]

Im still kinda learning about politics.....But from what I've seen in the world the world is slowly leaning towards democracy. Like Thailand [Were i live] Right now there a monarchy. the king is really old though and once he dies there a big chance that Thailand will become a democracy or a Republic. Im not saying is for sure...but I'm confident theres a good chance of it happening

[Mathmatical]

Although i haven't studied much on politics....Im certain that communism is becoming obsolete

[Klingoncelt]

I have the flu.

Again.

[FYRE]

As Aristotle said, the greatest form of government is one of a benevolent tyranny. Until the Aryan Savior of Europe arises the refugee crisis will never be resolved, the Red Plague will continue to fester and spread, and the American Empire will rape and pillage as normal. Make no mistake, the world is going to get a lot, lot worse before the people demand the changes that MUST come into effect, else it will be too late. Nuclear warheads, inevitable environmental fluctuations, and overpopulation are already identified as lethal to humanity and every living species, yet still those in power do not agitate for change. I hate to break it to you all, but prepare for the coming revolution of the proletariat. Don't say I didn't warn you.

[Mathmatical]

hmmm...My parents have talked to me about that. How a world war 3 is possible. Fortunately for me Thailand has avoided all the wars that have got on for the past 300 years. Thailand's a peaceful nation...and no one would care to invade it. they have nothing to take. It would be like robbing a man with no money

[Mathmatical]

But hey.....Vlad Putin is kicking some serious ass right now

[secondpassing]

Thoughts on the world = politics
I try not to get my self involved in these things.

I hope you get your tea SuperJack.
Why the check does earl gray tea seem so good? The orange oil totally clashes with milk. Oolong forever.

You should all join RLVG's adventure quest.

I bet people think I'm not easy to follow.

FYRE shut up.

Ash is funny. Can't have too many Ash like people around though.

I can't wait for the M-FM.

Mods need love.

Thanks Sen for a book recommendation. I broke my computer just after you posted. RLVG next time just upgrade the computer, it's more cost efficient.

I hope you all have a wonderful day, and that you get to see blooming flowers everywhere, just like me.

[Toadette]

Im still kinda learning about politics.....But from what I've seen in the world the world is slowly leaning towards democracy. Like Thailand [Were i live] Right now there a monarchy. the king is really old though and once he dies there a big chance that Thailand will become a democracy or a Republic. Im not saying is for sure...but I'm confident theres a good chance of it happening

Communism is an economic system, not a government/political system, noob. Capitalism is the flip side of the coin, not democracy.

[Firebringer]

Communism is an economic system, not a government/political system, noob. Capitalism is the flip side of the coin, not democracy.

The more you know!

[Yukitaka Oni]

Communism is an economic system, not a government/political system, noob. Capitalism is the flip side of the coin, not democracy.

I'm a communist b)o.o)b!

[Toadette]

I'm a communist b)o.o)b!

Yes I know this Yuki

[FYRE]

Like Cassandra, if the truth is unpleasant to hear, those listening will do their best to discredit and censor the speaker. If you want to ignore what's right in front of you, that's your constitutional right. However don't be too surprised when the ground falls out from under your feet...

[ThePaladin]

I personally don't particularly like associating myself with ism's for anymore than a starting point for convo's

Yuki would you define yourself as marxist| marxist-lenist| trostkyiest| or anarcho-| communist?

[Apocist]

Despair

[TheDarkestLight]

As Aristotle said, the greatest form of government is one of a benevolent tyranny. Until the Aryan Savior of Europe arises the refugee crisis will never be resolved, the Red Plague will continue to fester and spread, and the American Empire will rape and pillage as normal. Make no mistake, the world is going to get a lot, lot worse before the people demand the changes that MUST come into effect, else it will be too late. Nuclear warheads, inevitable environmental fluctuations, and overpopulation are already identified as lethal to humanity and every living species, yet still those in power do not agitate for change. I hate to break it to you all, but prepare for the coming revolution of the proletariat. Don't say I didn't warn you.

Human society will always collapse. No matter what we do it will always all fall apart. We can delay it, we can delay it for a very long time... but it is inevitable.

The rich and poor conflict will never go away... the poor will always hate the rich as the poor want to be the rich... and the rich will always take advantage of the poor so that they can both keep their money/power, and gain more. That is how society will always work. True Communism is impossible.

Human greed is what dictates that. People are rarely ever content. They always want more, even if they don't need it. People will often find themselves superior to the rest or think that they are different than the rest of the pack and thus deserve more/different things than them.

A society can delay collapse by going into conflict with another society. Conflict tends to unite the people of a society, despite differences that might reside between the people. It is a time of greatest productivity and social peace within a society. If people have an enemy, then they will be focused on them rather than the other problems around them... that is why nations that close themselves off tend to collapse...

[FYRE]

Human society will always collapse. No matter what we do it will always all fall apart. We can delay it, we can delay it for a very long time... but it is inevitable.

The rich and poor conflict will never go away... the poor will always hate the rich as the poor want to be the rich... and the rich will always take advantage of the poor so that they can both keep their money/power, and gain more. That is how society will always work. True Communism is impossible.

Human greed is what dictates that. People are rarely ever content. They always want more, even if they don't need it. People will often find themselves superior to the rest or think that they are different than the rest of the pack and thus deserve more/different things than them.

A society can delay collapse by going into conflict with another society. Conflict tends to unite the people of a society, despite differences that might reside between the people. It is a time of greatest productivity and social peace within a society. If people have an enemy, then they will be focused on them rather than the other problems around them... that is why nations that close themselves off tend to collapse...

For at least 90,000 years homo sapiens adopted a Hunter-Gatherer subsistence lifestyle, following the herds across the savannahs and eating seasonal fruits and nuts. This was replaced by sedentary agricultural models due to the drying of the central African continent as a part of natural Milankovitch cycles. In a very real sense, the primary way of human (and indeed human pregenitor species such as homo habilis and homo erectus) society functioned satisfactorily for over 90% of our existence on Earth. What our ancestors did by adapting to these geographical changes by settling the Nile and Meso-America etc, was incredibly antithetical to society as they knew it. Partnership social structure and lunar religious rites were replaced by dominator social structure (primarily patriarchal, with the rare matriarchal exception) and solar worship as defined by the changing of the seasons which brought about flooding of alluvial plains.

How far have we progressed as a species since then? Do all our cultural achievements count for nothing? Have our solving of problems like polio, space exploration, and instant worldwide communication given no indication of our power? To have a realistic expectation of future events is one thing, but to mindlessly decry the human endeavor as hopeless and doomed is nigh on zealotry. I understand the fear many have of inevitable decay of human civilization as a whole, but surely one can see many potential solutions to a problem that affects us all.

Our common history surely shows that beyond all factions' power struggles, we have a common past, and as a planet we have a common future.

[Yukitaka Oni]

I personally don't particularly like associating myself with ism's for anymore than a starting point for convo's

Yuki would you define yourself as marxist| marxist-lenist| trostkyiest| or anarcho-| communist?

50% Communist v)o.o)>
I agree on society communist but not the economy v(o.o(<
Because political is so easy to be corrupted, society is good tho d(o.o)^

[Sen]

How far have we progressed as a species since then? Do all our cultural achievements count for nothing? Have our solving of problems like polio, space exploration, and instant worldwide communication given no indication of our power?
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Our common history surely shows that beyond all factions' power struggles, we have a common past, and as a planet we have a common future.

The common future of the planet is to get rekt, and that future is the same shared by everyone at an individual level.

So sure, there have been advancements and progress, if you focus on the immediate -ie; the human history-, but it's fair to say that in the great scheme of things, all of those advancements are meaningless -as in they making nothing but local, ephemeral modifications in what is but a grain of sand-, and so are we; a bunch of narcissistical, self-aware animals looking for meaning where there is none.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Yes I know this Yuki

^)o.o)^ ^(o.o(^

[Frozen Angel]

I guess I didn't thought about world and its state sinsce a long time ago.

when i was younger I was believing there is always something good in anything. I mean even if its going to end , is that really bad? we all die and something else going to live instead of us.

or even worse. everything finishes...

whats bad about that?

After I felt the pain of life I started to think completly vise versa. like every action is the word is bad

then i suddenly realized. does it matter what we call it? i kind of lost caring about the world around me , and beleive me its for my own health.

[TheDarkestLight]

For at least 90,000 years homo sapiens adopted a Hunter-Gatherer subsistence lifestyle, following the herds across the savannahs and eating seasonal fruits and nuts. This was replaced by sedentary agricultural models due to the drying of the central African continent as a part of natural Milankovitch cycles. In a very real sense, the primary way of human (and indeed human pregenitor species such as homo habilis and homo erectus) society functioned satisfactorily for over 90% of our existence on Earth. What our ancestors did by adapting to these geographical changes by settling the Nile and Meso-America etc, was incredibly antithetical to society as they knew it. Partnership social structure and lunar religious rites were replaced by dominator social structure (primarily patriarchal, with the rare matriarchal exception) and solar worship as defined by the changing of the seasons which brought about flooding of alluvial plains.

How far have we progressed as a species since then? Do all our cultural achievements count for nothing? Have our solving of problems like polio, space exploration, and instant worldwide communication given no indication of our power? To have a realistic expectation of future events is one thing, but to mindlessly decry the human endeavor as hopeless and doomed is nigh on zealotry. I understand the fear many have of inevitable decay of human civilization as a whole, but surely one can see many potential solutions to a problem that affects us all.

Our common history surely shows that beyond all factions' power struggles, we have a common past, and as a planet we have a common future.

Because every time society falls apart a new one rises to take its place. Human society is a constant rise and fall of individual groups/nations. No group can survive forever, that's impossible.

Progress is good however, as it can allow societies to last longer, for individuals to live longer, happier lives and to just generally prevent constant chaos.

[Toadette]

I can't wait til the human species is extinct, as always species eventually go extinct. I won't be around to see it but my dusty remains will cry out "rekt noobs"

[Yukitaka Oni]

I can't wait til the human species is extinct, as always species eventually go extinct. I won't be around to see it but my dusty remains will cry out "rekt noobs"

Everyone go Allahu Akbar and human will extinct <(o.o)>

[Yukitaka Oni]

Everyone go Allahu Akbar and human will extinct <(o.o)>

Or all the countries press the Nuke button b)o.o)b

[yzb25]

Communism is an economic system, not a government/political system, noob. Capitalism is the flip side of the coin, not democracy.

surely how the state handles the economy can be considered a branch of politics, though. That's like saying "gun control isn't a political debate! Gun control is a debate regarding the law!"

so putting the subject of 'states who use a branch of communism or are developing into / out of a branch of communism' under the subject of 'politics' is legitimate, the same way putting the subject of 'how a government handles gun laws' under 'politics' is also legitimate.

picking a fight about linguistics on a site with so much more combined autism than you was a bad move, Toadette. Noob. :3

[Toadette]

surely how the state handles the economy can be considered a branch of politics, though. That's like saying "gun control isn't a political debate! Gun control is a debate regarding the law!"

so putting the subject of 'states who use a branch of communism or are developing into / out of a branch of communism' under the subject of 'politics' is legitimate, the same way putting the subject of 'how a government handles gun laws' under 'politics' is also legitimate.

picking a fight about linguistics on a site with so much more combined autism than you was a bad move, Toadette. Noob. :3

Saying that a communism is being abandoned for democracy is an ignorant statement that needs to be corrected. The man literally stated:

you can see that communist nations are beginning to revert to a democratic form of government

Ignorance should be corrected, not defended.

[Slaol]

Lex Luthor for president.

[Yukitaka Oni]

Trump is love, Trump is life. Vote 4 Trump, make Murica g8 again d(o.o)^

[secondpassing]

The common future of the planet is to get rekt, and that future is the same shared by everyone at an individual level.

So sure, there have been advancements and progress, if you focus on the immediate -ie; the human history-, but it's fair to say that in the great scheme of things, all of those advancements are meaningless -as in they making nothing but local, ephemeral modifications in what is but a grain of sand-, and so are we; a bunch of narcissistical, self-aware animals looking for meaning where there is none.

Humans are going to get rekt, but those that choose to look for meaning surely can't be looked down upon. They have nothing to lose.

[Sen]

Humans are going to get rekt, but those that choose to look for meaning surely can't be looked down upon. They have nothing to lose.

Oh, sure. I mean, we wouldn't be able to discuss such things from an almost instant, long communication device if it wasn't for all of those who spent their lives pursuing said meaning, and even if the pursuit of significance doesn't impact at a global level, we are beings capable of experimenting joy and happiness -even if only by accident-, and I'm not going to be looking down anyone trying to achieve that.

It is a meaningless existence, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to enjoy it as much as we can.

[Toadette]

Enjoy your meaningless existence! I love it. I was asked by Mormons if I wondered what the meaning of life was, I said "sure. Enjoy it while it lasts shitlords". They didn't seem to appreciate that very much.

[Meh]

Who knew SC2Mafia was so existential.

[secondpassing]

Who knew SC2Mafia was so existential.

It's not existential, it's nihilist. There's probably some other philosophical term that describes it better.

[ThePaladin]

It's not existential, it's nihilist. There's probably some other philosophical term that describes it better.

Both are applicable in a sense.

Nihilist works better from this thread since it is mostly the negative/negation assertion that beliefs are wrong rather than the positive assertion of things that are better that should be enacted.


So when are we starting up that philosophy sub-forum?

[Sen]

Nihilist works better from this thread since it is mostly the negative/negation assertion that beliefs are wrong rather than the positive assertion of things that are better that should be enacted.

It's not a matter of right and wrong; all of those postures agree that existence is meaningless, and they only differ in their reaction towards said truth.

Existentialists propose that you can create your own meaning through free will.
Nihilism states that said attempt at constructing our own meaning is pointless.

That said, my statements fit neither of those. If anything, my posture is closer to that of Camus' Absurdism, which points out how nonsensical it'd be to look for meaning if you know that there's no such thing, and that it shouldn't deter you from enjoying it anyway.

[oops_ur_dead]

I agree on society communist but not the economy v(o.o(<

What does a communist society but not a communist economy even look like?

[deathworlds]

What does a communist society but not a communist economy even look like?

A mistake.

[Sen]

What does a communist society but not a communist economy even look like?

Given that the economy is at the core of communism, that wouldn't even be possible: The condition of a classless society cannot exist while the reason for the existence of said classes -ie; money- hasn't been addressed. And of course, it cannot be stateless if you understand the state as the repressive arm of the class rule without first getting rid of the whole class thing.

A communist society without the economical part is like a spaceship that cannot go into space, and isn't a ship.

[yzb25]

The common future of the planet is to get rekt, and that future is the same shared by everyone at an individual level.

So sure, there have been advancements and progress, if you focus on the immediate -ie; the human history-, but it's fair to say that in the great scheme of things, all of those advancements are meaningless -as in they making nothing but local, ephemeral modifications in what is but a grain of sand-, and so are we; a bunch of narcissistical, self-aware animals looking for meaning where there is none.

Are you implying that just because humans are small in comparison to the vastness of space and time, they are meaningless?

well excuse me good sir! It's not about the size - it's about how you use it! A shittonne of metres and minutes in the universe =/= meaningful existence

[Sen]

Are you implying that just because humans are small in comparison to the vastness of space and time, they are meaningless?

well excuse me good sir! It's not about the size - it's about how you use it! A shittonne of metres and minutes in the universe =/= meaningful existence

It's meaningless in the same way a fly that hatches, steps into a random pile of poop and then proceeds to try and shag mid-air just before you squash it against the closest window is meaningless: the fly might have a good time while it lasts, or maybe a shitty one, but in the end, it doesn't make any significant difference in any level that matters.

[yzb25]

It's meaningless in the same way a fly that hatches, steps into a random pile of poop and then proceeds to try and shag mid-air just before you squash it against the closest window is meaningless: the fly might have a good time while it lasts, or maybe a shitty one, but in the end, it doesn't make any significant difference in any level that matters.

It's all relative to where you're standing though. The fly's life was very significant - to the fly. It simply makes no sense to, as a human, measure your value in terms of the entire universe. You are a human, so you should measure your value with the only value system you care about - yours!

It's also worth noting that you (deliberately or not-deliberately) thought of something that was very stupid and graceless (a fly's life) to demonstrate something that lacks value. Measuring value and significance of a life or a species by the intellect and understanding achieved and the beauty created rather than how many rocks it can explode or how many centuries it can last is not crazy dammit! Why do so many people have your viewpoint?! T_T

[Calix]

It's meaningless in the same way a fly that hatches, steps into a random pile of poop and then proceeds to try and shag mid-air just before you squash it against the closest window is meaningless: the fly might have a good time while it lasts, or maybe a shitty one, but in the end, it doesn't make any significant difference in any level that matters.

Are you advocating hedonism?

If not, then I don't see much of a point in considering how pointless our lives are. What is the end game to this line of thinking? Why is it worth considering as an option as opposed to focusing solely on the petty issues on Earth? I'm not seeing a convincing argument or conclusion for why acknowledging that our lives mean nothing is a worthwhile pursuit.

If that's how someone really feels, you might as well commit suicide sooner rather than later. It wouldn't matter either way, right?

[Sen]

It's all relative to where you're standing though. The fly's life was very significant - to the fly. It simply makes no sense to, as a human, measure your value in terms of the entire universe. You are a human, so you should measure your value with the only value system you care about - yours!

It's also worth noting that you (deliberately or not-deliberately) thought of something that was very stupid and graceless (a fly's life) to demonstrate something that lacks value. Measuring value and significance of a life or a species by the intellect and understanding achieved and the beauty created rather than how many rocks it can explode or how many centuries it can last is not crazy dammit! Why do so many people have your viewpoint?! T_T

I find flies to be quite beautiful, actually. Try capturing a close-up f their wings with a high resolution camera somday. Their 90ish° turns are also quite... zen to watch. You are the one calling it stupid and graceless for reasons.

I don't adhere to the idea of trying to asign arbitrary values to lives; I'm just here to have a good time, so yeah, I won't be measuring myself -or anybody else, for that matter- just to fit somebody else's need for significance.

And of course it's relative; I'm just stating what I've come to think after spending more than a healthy ammount of time exploring the subject. It's not my intention to convince anybody of anything; I couldn't care less about other people sharing or not my opinion that this is meaningless. Now, that would really be stupid and graceless, unlike the poor fly.

[Sen]

Are you advocating hedonism?

If not, then I don't see much of a point in considering how pointless our lives are. What is the end game to this line of thinking? Why is it worth considering as an option as opposed to focusing solely on the petty issues on Earth? I'm not seeing a convincing argument or conclusion for why acknowledging that our lives mean nothing is a worthwhile pursuit.

If that's how someone really feels, you might as well commit suicide sooner rather than later. It wouldn't matter either way, right?

Like I said earlier, it's closer to Absurdism, and funnily enough, suicide is one of the three logical results of reaching such understanding. The other two being going lazy and embracing some sort of belief system -eg; religion- which allows you to cope with it, or simply going "fuck it" and having a good time, in a hedonistic way, like you say.

[Sen]

Here's what Wikipedia has to say on the matter. Not that I acknowledge Wikipedia as a reliable source of information, but it's good enough to get an ovrview of some subjects.

Suicide (or, "escaping existence"): a solution in which a person ends one's own life. Both Kierkegaard and Camus dismiss the viability of this option. Camus states that it does not counter the Absurd. Rather, the act of ending one's existence only becomes more absurd.

Religious, spiritual, or abstract belief in a transcendent realm, being, or idea: a solution in which one believes in the existence of a reality that is beyond the Absurd, and, as such, has meaning. Kierkegaard stated that a belief in anything beyond the Absurd requires a non-rational but perhaps necessary religious acceptance in such an intangible and empirically unprovable thing (now commonly referred to as a "leap of faith"). However, Camus regarded this solution, and others, as "philosophical suicide".

Acceptance of the Absurd: a solution in which one accepts the Absurd and continues to live in spite of it. Camus endorsed this solution, believing that by accepting the Absurd, one can achieve absolute freedom, and that by recognizing no religious or other moral constraints and by revolting against the Absurd while simultaneously accepting it as unstoppable, one could possibly be content from the personal meaning constructed in the process. Kierkegaard, on the other hand, regarded this solution as "demoniac madness": "He rages most of all at the thought that eternity might get it into its head to take his misery from him!"