S-FM 179: Cop Out

[Toadette]

Toadette is a thief.
Discuss.

Fire briner is obsessed with me. Discuss.

[Toadette]

Despite the odd language, I think what you meant to say is something to the effect of:

"Townies who are acting scummy are at an increased risk of getting lynched and therefore, make it harder for us to find the actual scum."

Is that right?

So pretty much:

"Hi, I'm GameFreak. Did you know the sky is blue? Mind = blown."

[RLVG]

You mean the Lost Customer, and it being RNG because who knows which side is going to end on top?

Lolno.

You are a Student. Every night, you may visit someone to either heal, roleblock, frame or check for a clue as to their role. You do not know which action you will perform beforehand.

Your possessions were taken for 'further investigation'. You have 1 coin.

[RLVG]

It's freaking RNG, boi

[DarknessB]

So pretty much:

"Hi, I'm GameFreak. Did you know the sky is blue? Mind = blown."

Yeah, I didn't exactly think it was very profound either. Seemed like he was making more of a meta argument in response to NoctiZ.

[TheDarkestLight]

It's freaking RNG, boi

But why is this so mind blowing?

[DarknessB]

Toadette is a thief.
Discuss.

Well, Toadette disagreed with Sen's push on ThePaladin an she thought you were pushing a little too hard to start the game. Neither of these come off as particularly scummy to me? But, I get that you are probably reaction testing at this point in the game.

[Firebringer]

I have Toadette pinged as Neutral or Thief.
Lets get on this train guys.

[ThePaladin]

But why is this so mind blowing?

Because the role is either a hurt town or maybe help town. Meaning that person's visits may as well be random

[TheDarkestLight]

I have Toadette pinged as Neutral or Thief.
Lets get on this train guys.

I get the what, but do you care to explain the why?

[RLVG]

But why is this so mind blowing?

Let's say I'm the Student and I see someone as town.
I want to heal them.

NOPE, KILLED THEM
NOPE, ROLEBLOCKED THEM
NOPE, FRAMED THEM

By random.

What if someone is scum?

OH NOES, HEALED THEM BY RANDOM

[ThePaladin]

I have Toadette pinged as Neutral or Thief.
Lets get on this train guys.

Is SJ on toadette train for same reason as you?

[TheDarkestLight]

Because the role is either a hurt town or maybe help town. Meaning that person's visits may as well be random

But it's something that can just be seen in the setup by anyone who can read English.

[Firebringer]

Is SJ on toadette train for same reason as you?

Ask SuperJack?

[ThePaladin]

Ask SuperJack?

It was directed at you and sj; sj's been mostly just silently reading

[TheDarkestLight]

Let's say I'm the Student and I see someone as town.
I want to heal them.

NOPE, KILLED THEM
NOPE, ROLEBLOCKED THEM
NOPE, FRAMED THEM

By random.

What if someone is scum?

OH NOES, HEALED THEM BY RANDOM

You don't kill, you investigate. Also, any student player should know not to rely on his/her actions all that much.

[GameFreak]

I didnt know you thought so highly of me that everything i post should be profound. For people who shitpost all Day1 i'm rather amused i got this response, no hipocracy here.

[RLVG]

You don't kill, you investigate. Also, any student player should know not to rely on his/her actions all that much.

Well, exclude Kill.
It was there for dramatic tension.

[DarknessB]

But why is this so mind blowing?

IMO, the fact that RLVG keeps bringing this up is one of three things:

1. Straight trolling (very possible given his other posts)
2. Noting that Orpz typically doesn't like RNG in approved games (meta which isn't particularly helpful), or
3. Maybe he's trying to hint at something else? (breadcrumb or whatnot)

[Firebringer]

@RLVG Why would I freak (flip) out if Lost Shopper went to me?

[TheDarkestLight]

IMO, the fact that RLVG keeps bringing this up is one of three things:

1. Straight trolling (very possible given his other posts)
2. Noting that Orpz typically doesn't like RNG in approved games (meta which isn't particularly helpful), or
3. Maybe he's trying to hint at something else? (breadcrumb or whatnot)

3: That is literally one of the worst possible ways to soft claim a role.

[TheDarkestLight]

@RLVG Why would I freak (flip) out if Lost Shopper went to me?

@Firebringer Why are you not responding to my question to explain your read?

[RLVG]

@RLVG Why would I freak (flip) out if Lost Shopper went to me?

Because you can be Le Ballsy.

IMO, the fact that RLVG keeps bringing this up is one of three things:

1. Straight trolling (very possible given his other posts)
2. Noting that Orpz typically doesn't like RNG in approved games (meta which isn't particularly helpful), or
3. Maybe he's trying to hint at something else? (breadcrumb or whatnot)

2.

[Firebringer]

3: That is literally one of the worst possible ways to soft claim a role.

I agree with TDL on this.
This is not the way to sof claim a role. Like ever.

[NoctiZ]

Lolno.

Huh, I only know Student as neutral benign with the "choosing someone as mentor" ability. Shame on me for not reading the whole setup.. will probably do it in the morning. I'll be going to bed.

[DarknessB]

I didnt know you thought so highly of me that everything i post should be profound. For people who shitpost all Day1 i'm rather amused i got this response, no hipocracy here.

Mind you, it was one of your few posts so it was expected people would zero in on it more. If you were posting walls of crap like ThePaladin, then more of your content would be ignored probably.

[Firebringer]

@Firebringer Why are you not responding to my question to explain your read?

My read on Toadette is 90% Gut. 10% I don't like her tone in posts.

[Firebringer]

Mind you, it was one of your few posts so it was expected people would zero in on it more. If you were posting walls of crap like ThePaladin, then more of your content would be ignored probably.

Why are you always so god damn neutral Darkness?
Stop being a lawyer.

We have Titus for that

[Firebringer]

My read on Toadette is 90% Gut. 10% I don't like her tone in posts.

I am not sure if I don't like her tone because I find it scummy or I just don't like it.
The tone seems pretty typical for her, but recently it also is same tone she has used as scum in games that I have noticed. Don't want to use meta to say she is scum, but I don't find her trying to read players right now, instead detract from pushes and discredit people so far is all I am seeing from toadette

[GameFreak]

Mind you, it was one of your few posts so it was expected people would zero in on it more. If you were posting walls of crap like ThePaladin, then more of your content would be ignored probably.

Yeah about that posting walls of crap, never good is it.
I'm off to bed, i wonder how many pages i'll wake up too.

[TheDarkestLight]

Yeah about that posting walls of crap, never good is it.
I'm off to bed, i wonder how many pages i'll wake up too.

Why are you whining about the game?

[DarknessB]

I agree with TDL on this.
This is not the way to sof claim a role. Like ever.

There's also the WIFOM argument from before where people were making joke softclaims. It's more to suggest someone bringing up Student might be trying to create some association between themselves and the role (whether true or not).

[DarknessB]

Why are you always so god damn neutral Darkness?
Stop being a lawyer.

We have Titus for that

I posted before her so I called dibs.

[Firebringer]

Yeah about that posting walls of crap, never good is it.
I'm off to bed, i wonder how many pages i'll wake up too.

I don't think a scum would post this.
Its pretty obviously anti town.
Gamefreak is now in my town reads.

With RLVG that makes two. If I get 5 more I complete my set!

[DarknessB]

I don't think a scum would post this.
Its pretty obviously anti town.
Gamefreak is now in my town reads.

With RLVG that makes two. If I get 5 more I complete my set!

You read RLVG as Town? Care to explain why?

[Firebringer]

You read RLVG as Town? Care to explain why?

Read pages 1-5, most active force and seems to be reaction testing everyone. Also latest stuff was commenting on setup which is usually null, but he highlighted a anti town feature of the setup, which is pretty townlike.

[Firebringer]

So right now:

Town
RLVG
Gamefreak
TheDarkestLight
Noctiz
SuperJack
DarknessB
Everyone Else
Toadette
Scum

[TheDarkestLight]

Read pages 1-5, most active force and seems to be reaction testing everyone. Also latest stuff was commenting on setup which is usually null, but he highlighted a anti town feature of the setup, which is pretty townlike.

So, contributing things scum would tend to contribute. I typically find people who contribute via setup analysis to be scum as it allows them to seem like they are contributing without having to post reads and whatnot.

[RLVG]

So right now:

Town
RLVG
Gamefreak
TheDarkestLight
Noctiz
SuperJack
DarknessB
Everyone Else
Toadette
Scum

Fuck you for putting me on the very top.
Now scum will kill me.

[Firebringer]

Fuck you for putting me on the very top.
Now scum will kill me.

Only if they find you an actual threat m8.

[Firebringer]

So, contributing things scum would tend to contribute. I typically find people who contribute via setup analysis to be scum as it allows them to seem like they are contributing without having to post reads and whatnot.

How many game experience you have had where those who use setup analysis were scum?
I think we have found typical setup analysis is usually null.

[TheDarkestLight]

So right now:

Town
RLVG
Gamefreak
TheDarkestLight
Noctiz
SuperJack
DarknessB
Everyone Else
Toadette
Scum

I have to agree with the assumption on GF. I don't see scum putting themselves out there in the way he did very often. However he is most likely a Citizen.

[DarknessB]

So, contributing things scum would tend to contribute. I typically find people who contribute via setup analysis to be scum as it allows them to seem like they are contributing without having to post reads and whatnot.

Sure, that's classic IIoA (information instead of analysis), which is typically regarded as a mild scum tell.

[TheDarkestLight]

How many game experience you have had where those who use setup analysis were scum?
I think we have found typical setup analysis is usually null.

Numerous times, I've done it myself as scum before. It's good for redirecting conversation towards other subjects that the Town will discuss, and ultimately get nothing out of. What do we have to gain from talking about the Student?

[Firebringer]

Sure, that's classic IIoA (information instead of analysis), which is typically regarded as a mild scum tell.

I really don't like this post at all. I don't think you have ever held this opinion.

[Firebringer]

Numerous times, I've done it myself as scum before. It's good for redirecting conversation towards other subjects that the Town will discuss, and ultimately get nothing out of. What do we have to gain from talking about the Student?

The assumption being that if you are a student you should claim I am assuming. Which would likely end in us lynching them for possibly being a hindrance to the town. Which would waste the day.

In all, not that productive.

[DarknessB]

I really don't like this post at all. I don't think you have ever held this opinion.

When have I ever engaged in setup speculation? I am usually more suspicious of it than not -- recall many Frog games where he went on about it and ended up being scum.

[Firebringer]

When have I ever engaged in setup speculation? I am usually more suspicious of it than not -- recall many Frog games where he went on about it and ended up being scum.

Okay so is RLVG sticking out to you for this?
Who is sticking out to you?

I don't want to rush you, but I believe opinions on players should be forming around pages 10 onward.

[ThePaladin]

I'm still waiting for the triple banker, corrupt cops win n1.

[DarknessB]

The assumption being that if you are a student you should claim I am assuming. Which would likely end in us lynching them for possibly being a hindrance to the town. Which would waste the day.

In all, not that productive.

So, you basically Townread RLVG for spending most of his posts raising a point that you admit isn't particularly productive or helpful?