S-FM: THT: The Wrath of Lady Death

[DarknessB]

This is like a 50/50 on the LD seriously.

Its Mikecall or DarknessB >.>

Why are you ruling out MattZed for LD? I know he's been posting a lot, but he does that even when he's scum (see Archeologist in Watermeloann).

[Firebringer]

Why are you ruling out MattZed for LD? I know he's been posting a lot, but he does that even when he's scum (see Archeologist in Watermeloann).

VCA cleared him, the chances of LD are so low in my opinion.

[Toadette]

Why are you ruling out MattZed for LD? I know he's been posting a lot, but he does that even when he's scum (see Archeologist in Watermeloann).

Claim.

[DarknessB]

Claim.

I did -- Citizen.

[Toadette]

Claim.

Whoops! Missed the earlier post lol

We have 4 citizen claims. Not surprised. Lynching a citizen is 50 50 chance hitting a scum and pretty good to 25% chance of hitting lady death ad a counter claim to a TPR seems like a thing a group scum would do

[MattZed]

Ah, Darkness, I was hoping you'd claim cit. Was worried you'd want to contest Toadette or throw your hat into the Priest ring.

With these claims, Toadette is town and it is impossible for SuperJack to be town unless a town lied about their claim.

Namely:
1. If SuperJack were Town, then Fire would be scum because Fire claims to have checked Super
2. Since Fire would then be scum, GamerFreak would be the true Priest
3. But GamerFreak checked Myself and Darkness allegedly, which means 3 of the cit claimers must be town, which is not possible.

[Toadette]

In other words:

We lynch either MattZed, DarknessB, Mikecall, or SuperJack

[Toadette]

Ah, Darkness, I was hoping you'd claim cit. Was worried you'd want to contest Toadette or throw your hat into the Priest ring.

With these claims, Toadette is town and it is impossible for SuperJack to be town unless a town lied about their claim.

Namely:
1. If SuperJack were Town, then Fire would be scum because Fire claims to have checked Super
2. Since Fire would then be scum, GamerFreak would be the true Priest
3. But GamerFreak checked Myself and Darkness allegedly, which means 3 of the cit claimers must be town, which is not possible.

Good work!

[DarknessB]

In other words:

We lynch either MattZed, DarknessB, Mikecall, or SuperJack

Can you explain why we've ruled out GameFreak or Firebringer?

[Toadette]

Can you explain why we've ruled out GameFreak or Firebringer?

I haven't. One of them is scum.

We should lynch lady death. I've thought about it and I like this plan.

If neither fire nor gamefreak is lynched and the other is killed we get a free lynch next day

[DarknessB]

I haven't. One of them is scum.

We should lynch lady death. I've thought about it and I like this plan.

If neither fire nor gamefreak is lynched and the other is killed we get a free lynch next day

Ah, I see what you mean. That makes sense and leaves us with figuring that out tomorrow.

[MattZed]

In other words:

We lynch either MattZed, DarknessB, Mikecall, or SuperJack

This is basically my conclusion as well.

SuperJack is 100% scum from claims alone. I, however, would be surprised if he's Lady Death. For a moment, let me assume he's cult and look at what happens in each possible pairing:

SuperJack+MattZed - This means GameFreak is scum since he lied about checking me, and since we assume to know the cult GameFreak is LD
SuperJack+DarknessB - Same story
SuperJack+GameFreak - From claims alone, LD could be Me, Mike, or Darkness and we'd have to analyze more.
SuperJack+Firebringer - this makes GameFreak town, and from his checking claims Mikecall must be LD
SuperJack+Mikecall - Since we can only have one priest, either Firebringer or GameFreak would be LD.

[MattZed]

Also I'm going to be frank and say I held back this analysis for a while mostly because I worried Toadette was LD and that Darkness was true Crier, and I didn't want her to weasel out of it if so. Since Toadette is 100% confirmed town, I'm fine sharing.

[MattZed]

To be safe:

-unvote

Toadette is confirmed town. If we get down to the final hour of day and haven't agreed on a target, everyone should agree to sheep Toadette because she's the most impartial voice for a critical lynch.

[DarknessB]

To be safe:

-unvote

Toadette is confirmed town. If we get down to the final hour of day and haven't agreed on a target, everyone should agree to sheep Toadette because she's the most impartial voice for a critical lynch.

I think this makes sense -- she's confirmed Town and we need to lynch LD for a decent shot to win this game.

[MattZed]

I'll put things another way to help out everyone's thinking:

SuperJack is confirmed scum. Part of the question is who the other two are. There are 10 other pairs for the remaining two scum, so let's look at it:

Firebringer+GameFreak - this is impossible since we need a Priest
Firebringer+Mikecall - This can happen, and since Mike was on the RLVG train but Fire wasn't, I'd say Mike is LD in this case.
Firebringer+DarknessB - This is impossible since GF would be town, and GF checked Darkness as town
Firebringer+MattZed - impossible for same reason
GameFreak+Mikecall - This can work; again, given how Mike was on the RLVG train, I'd say GF is the other cult and Mike is LD
GameFreak+DarknessB - This can happen, and I could see Darkness as LD here, seeming like GF tried to guess two town by not guessing his partner (SJ). On the other hand, maybe GF outed his partner by townreading him and SJ is somehow LD here.
GameFreak+MattZed - technically possible for the rest of you, and I'll start making a defense if this is a major concern. (especially as I'm more likely LD here)
Mikecall+DarknessB - impossible since we need a priest
Mikecall+MattZed - same
DarknessB+MattZed - same

Thus, there are only FOUR possible scum combinations:
{SuperJack, Firebringer, Mikecall}, {SuperJack, GameFreak, Mikecall}, {SuperJack, GameFreak, DarknessB}, {SuperJack, GameFreak, MattZed},

[MattZed]

To make this point really clear, there are only four possible scum combinations, and we should use this in deductions:

1. SuperJack, Firebringer, Mikecall
2. SuperJack, GameFreak, Mikecall
3. SuperJack, GameFreak, DarknessB
4. SuperJack, GameFreak, MattZed

Interesting fact: If Mike is town, he knows Firebringer is town. If GameFreak is town, he knows who the scum are.

[MattZed]

If Darkness is LD, the D1 lynch looks like this:

deathworlds (7 [L-0]): Calix, MattZed, Firebringer, secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25, Toadette
Mikecall (2 [L-5]): Spruance, Shifty
yzb25 (4 [L-3]): deathworlds, RLVG, GameFreak, DarknessB

[MattZed]

Finished my table: Hopefully helps with VCA.

Player:	Voted For:	Never Voted For:
MattZed	deathworlds, Calix, Mikecall, yzb25, secondpassing, RLVG	Shifty/SuperJack, Spruance, Firebringer, Toadette, DarknessB, GameFreak
deathworlds	secondpassing, Calix, yzb25	Shifty/SuperJack, Mikecall, Spruance, Firebringer, Toadette, DarknessB, secondpassing, GameFreak, RLVG
Shifty/SuperJack	Mikecall, Firebringer, secondpassing	MattZed, deathworlds, Spruance, yzb25, Toadette, Calix, DarknessB, GameFreak, RLVG
Mikecall	Calix, Spruance, secondpassing, DarknessB, deathworlds, MattZed, RLVG	Shifty/SuperJack, Firebringer, yzb25, Toadette, GameFreak
Spruance	Calix, secondpassing, Mikecall, GameFreak, Shifty, DarknessB	MattZed, deathworlds, Firebringer, yzb25, Toadette, RLVG
Firebringer	DarknessB, deathworlds, RLVG, Mikecall, SuperJack	MattZed, Spruance, yzb25, Toadette, Calix, secondpassing, GameFreak
yzb25	Calix, Mikecall, secondpassing, deathworlds, DarknessB, MattZed, RLVG	Shifty/SuperJack, Spruance, Firebringer, Toadette, GameFreak
Toadette	Mikecall, DarknessB, deathworlds, yzb25, RLVG, Firebringer, SuperJack	MattZed, Spruance, Calix, secondpassing, Gamefreak
Calix	MattZed, Spruance, deathworlds	Shifty/SuperJack, Mikecall, Firebringer, yzb25, Toadette, Calix, DarknessB, secondpassing, GameFreak, RLVG
DarknessB	yzb25, secondpassing, RLVG	MattZed, deathworlds, Shifty/SuperJack, Mikecall, Spruance, Firebringer, Toadette, Calix, GameFreak
secondpassing	deathworlds, Spruance, Mikecall, MattZed, DarknessB, RLVG	Shifty/SuperJack, Firebringer, yzb25, Toadette, Calix, GameFreak
GameFreak	deathworlds, yzb25, secondpassing, Firebringer	MattZed, Shifty/SuperJack, Mikecall, Spruance, Toadette, Calix, DarknessB, RLVG
RLVG	MattZed, deathworlds, Firebringer, yzb25	Shifty/SuperJack, Mikecall, Spruance, Toadette, Calix, DarknessB, secondpassing, GameFreak

[MattZed]

Last data to post: D1/D2 vote records

Spoiler : Colored Vote Record :

Vote Count 1
Spruance (2): Calix, secondpassing
Calix (2): MattZed, Spruance

Vote Count 2
deathworlds (4 [L-3]): Calix, MattZed, Firebringer, secondpassing
GameFreak (1 [L-6]):Spruance
Calix (2 [L-5]): deathworlds, yzb25
Spruance (1 [L-6]): Mikecall
MattZed (1 [L-6]): RLVG

Vote Count 3
deathworlds (5 [L-2]): Calix, MattZed, Firebringer, secondpassing, GameFreak
GameFreak (1 [L-6]): Spruance
Calix (1 [L-6]): deathworlds
secondpassing (2 [L-5]): Mikecall, yzb25
MattZed (1 [L-6]): RLVG
Mikecall (1 [L-6]): Toadette

Vote Count 4
deathworlds (5 [L-2]): Calix, MattZed, Firebringer, secondpassing, GameFreak
Mikecall (1 [L-6]): Spruance
Calix (1 [L-6]): deathworlds
DarknessB (2 [L-5]): Mikecall, Toadette
MattZed (1 [L-6]): RLVG
secondpassing (1 [L-6]): yzb25

Vote Count 5
deathworlds (4 [L-3]): Calix, Firebringer, secondpassing, RLVG
Mikecall (4 [L-3]): MattZed, Spruance, deathworlds, Toadette
DarknessB (1 [L-6]): Mikecall
yzb25 (1 [L-6]): GameFreak

Vote Count 6
deathworlds (5 [L-2]): Calix, Firebringer, secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25
Mikecall (5 [L-2]): MattZed, Spruance, deathworlds, Toadette, Shifty
MattZed (1 [L-6]): RLVG
yzb25 (2 [L-5]): GameFreak, DarknessB

Vote Count 7
deathworlds (5 [L-2]): Calix, Firebringer, secondpassing, Mikecall, Toadette
yzb25 (3 [L-4]): MattZed, GameFreak, DarknessB
Mikecall (2 [L-5]): Spruance, Shifty
Firebringer (2 [L-5]): deathworlds, RLVG

Vote Count 8
deathworlds (6 [L-1]): Calix, Firebringer, secondpassing, Mikecall, yzb25, Toadette
yzb25 (4 [L-3]): MattZed, RLVG, GameFreak, DarknessB
Mikecall (2 [L-5]): Spruance, Shifty
Calix (1 [L-6]): deathworlds

Day 1 Lynch:
deathworlds (7 [L-0]): Calix, MattZed, Firebringer, secondpassing, Mikecall,yzb25, Toadette
Mikecall (2 [L-5]): Spruance, Shifty
yzb25 (4 [L-3]): deathworlds, RLVG, GameFreak, DarknessB

Day 2 Vote Count 1:
RLVG (1 [L-5]): Firebringer
SuperJack (1 [L-5]): secondpassing
Mikecall (1 [L-5]): MattZed
MattZed (1 [L-5]): Mikecall

Day 2 Vote Count 2:
SuperJack (1 [L-5]): Firebringer
yzb25 (2 [L-4]): secondpassing, RLVG
secondpassing (2 [L-4]): MattZed, GameFreak
MattZed (1 [L-5]): yzb25

Day 2 Vote Count 3:
DarknessB (1 [L-5]): Firebringer
yzb25 (4 [L-2]): secondpassing, RLVG, Toadette, DarknessB
secondpassing (3 [L-3]): MattZed, Mikecall, GameFreak
MattZed (1 [L-5]): yzb25

Day 2 Lynch:
Mikecall (1 [L-5]): Firebringer
RLVG (6 [L-0]): secondpassing, MattZed, Mikecall, yzb25, Toadette, DarknessB
secondpassing (2 [L-4]): GameFreak, SuperJack
yzb25 (1 [L-5]): RLVG

[Toadette]

If it comes down to me, I'm going for the SuperJack lynch. I can't see compelling enough evidence to vote MattZed, DarknessB, or Mikecall instead.

[MattZed]

The problem with this volume of posts is that performing an ISO is a bitch. I'll try to do some tomorrow around 6 hours before day ends.

[Toadette]

I'm going to throw down my vote now, because we have like what, 16 hours or so left? And there's no votes on SuperJack yet at the moment.

-vote SuperJack

[MattZed]

Wtf i need to reread priest one moment

GameFreak said this D2 before the RLVG lynch after Firebringer claimed he, as Priest, saw Mikecall perform a visit.

Why would GameFreak, an alleged Priest, need to check the Priest rolecard?

[MattZed]

Mike feels neither very scum or very town to me. None of his posts stand out. I couldn't say.

I still find Yzb, Toadette and Matt scummier than him.
I just feel that if i start a pressurevote on yzb he simply wont say anything meaningful again.

This is a post GameFreak made D2. He allegedly checked me N1 as Priest... and yet I'm on the Top 3 scumlist?

[MattZed]

A D1 post wondering what LD and Widower will do, but doesn't actually wonder about cult strategy. Weak scumtell of ignoring a scum faction in favor of the others.

Ok i feel like i'm caught up well in this game.

@Spruance could you say why you are voting Mike ? Do you think he was scummy in any way?

I don't trust yzb too much atm. The style doesn't really sit well with me even though that is not a valid argument.
But you mention alot how you want or are comfirmed in a joking manner.

Darkness made some nice posts but its always weird to read because its always in a flurry. Even though i do find it weird how you don't seem to
take much of a stance and aren't willing to back up your votes.

I also wonder what the strat of Lady Death will be. Touch as many people as possible or
touch 2 and herself. This way she has a 50/50 chance of killign the wanted target.

Same with the widower. He isn't really pro town. He simply has to find LD. He could also just shoot N1 and play the jestergame. Especially if he's a suspect.
Though he could align himself with town to trade a night kill for a lynch.

Overall in most posts i can't decide to take the post serious or not.

[Mikecall]

I am back, so we have 4 citizen claims, interesting.

But wait a minute, if Gamefreak checked both Matt and Darkness? how would it make me LD?

I got a feeling Firebringer is actually priest and Gamefreak is probably LD / Cult.

Just from looking at the potential scum partners from what MattZed claimed before.

[Mikecall]

-vote gamefreak

Before I forget.

[Toadette]

-vote gamefreak

Before I forget.

Why are you doing this? We are lynching within the citizen pool.

[Mikecall]

Why are you doing this? We are lynching within the citizen pool.

Because maybe I have my reasons Toadette, I know your confirmed Toadette, but how do we know Gamefreak claiming of being Priest narrows me for being the LD claim, Since he claiming he found DarknessB and MattZed clean which would narrow me to being LD.

[Toadette]

Because maybe I have my reasons Toadette, I know your confirmed Toadette, but how do we know Gamefreak claiming of being Priest narrows me for being the LD claim, Since he claiming he found DarknessB and MattZed clean which would narrow me to being LD.

GameFreak or Firebringer is fake claiming and I don't think lady death would.expose herself fake claiming like that. That's a group scum move.

Lady death is within the citizen pool I can smell her in there

[Mikecall]

The reasoning I would of said is because of these reasons:

Firebringer Claiming Priest, even with the wifom of his play seeming out of play for acting scum,

And his targets being
Calix = (Roleblocked?) So possible RLVG n1 feedback, since nobody else claimed roleblocked before
Superjack = Guilty? So your claiming you can check if people are cult or if they are LD?

Now Gamefreaks

Firebringer = Clean? So even if his priest claim counteracts yours, you really think he would be cult?
DarknessB = Clean? So your trying to say that DarknessB is also clean from it?

Does Priests have the capability to finding the cult? or are they limited to trying to find LD?


I always thought that the Priest was able to clean the individual from the ladies touch for that specific night, interesting really.

-unvote

Just for now, will probably vote again once I reread the posts.

[Mikecall]

GameFreak or Firebringer is fake claiming and I don't think lady death would.expose herself fake claiming like that. That's a group scum move.

Lady death is within the citizen pool I can smell her in there

Fair enough.

[MattZed]

Read the priest rolecard. They detect scum.

Mike, you're basically admitting to being scum right now. If you are town, YOU KNOW FIREBRINGER IS TOWN TOO.

[MattZed]

Read the priest rolecard. They detect scum.

Mike, you're basically admitting to being scum right now. If you are town, YOU KNOW FIREBRINGER IS TOWN TOO.

Misread Mike's post. Thought he was FoS'ing Firebringer.

The point that Town Mike knows Fire is town is still true, though.

[Thornholt]

The reasoning I would of said is because of these reasons:

Firebringer Claiming Priest, even with the wifom of his play seeming out of play for acting scum,

And his targets being
Calix = (Roleblocked?) So possible RLVG n1 feedback, since nobody else claimed roleblocked before
Superjack = Guilty? So your claiming you can check if people are cult or if they are LD?

Now Gamefreaks

Firebringer = Clean? So even if his priest claim counteracts yours, you really think he would be cult?
DarknessB = Clean? So your trying to say that DarknessB is also clean from it?

Does Priests have the capability to finding the cult? or are they limited to trying to find LD?



I always thought that the Priest was able to clean the individual from the ladies touch for that specific night, interesting really.

-unvote

Just for now, will probably vote again once I reread the posts.

Read the rolecard

[Thornholt]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to let you know I won't be writing flavour text for now. I'm leaving for the hospital if my condition doesn't show any ameliorations soon. I'll do my best to end/start days at the proper times.

[GameFreak]

Since i know Matt and DB to be town , and i know Toadette is crier. I think it looks like this atm.

FireBringer, Mike- cult
SJ - LD

Though i'm starting to wonder, nowhere in my rolecard does it state that i can see LD
"(Cult member, Widower and Lady Death's targets)."

So i'm not sure if DB or Matt are not Ld ?

I mean this pretty much opens up alot more possibilities.
This would mean between

SJ-DB-Matt-Mike we have an LD

Thorn , can the priest detect LD ?

It also shows again that Fire doesn't know his role because priest can see widower. And the kept saying Calix was LD.
And i don't believe in scum sponges shit late in the game.

So i'm waiting for Thorns reply for my vote

[GameFreak]

i forgot the

-unvote

[GameFreak]

Calix = (Roleblocked?) So possible RLVG n1 feedback, since nobody else claimed roleblocked before
Superjack = Guilty? So your claiming you can check if people are cult or if they are LD?

Now Gamefreaks

Firebringer = Clean? So even if his priest claim counteracts yours, you really think he would be cult?
DarknessB = Clean? So your trying to say that DarknessB is also clean from it?

I went on Matt N1 Mike, you lying to get me voted ?

[Mikecall]

I am the priest , that is why i know he is lying.

The first night i was on you, you showed up clean. Thats why i swapped my opinion of you from Scum to Town.
the second night i was on Darkness trying to figure out if he was scum or not, since he also didn't vote RLVG
but DB showed up clean aswell ...

So i've narrowed it down to Fire , Mike and SJ.
Now unless Toadette has completely deceived me here i believe these 3 to be scum.

When you said, I was on you, I thought you was referring to Fire than Matt, but still, its quite interesting.

[SuperJack]

Since i know Matt and DB to be town , and i know Toadette is crier. I think it looks like this atm.

FireBringer, Mike- cult
SJ - LD

Though i'm starting to wonder, nowhere in my rolecard does it state that i can see LD
"(Cult member, Widower and Lady Death's targets)."

So i'm not sure if DB or Matt are not Ld ?

I mean this pretty much opens up alot more possibilities.
This would mean between

SJ-DB-Matt-Mike we have an LD

Thorn , can the priest detect LD ?

It also shows again that Fire doesn't know his role because priest can see widower. And the kept saying Calix was LD.
And i don't believe in scum sponges shit late in the game.

So i'm waiting for Thorns reply for my vote

Priest

Every night, the priest tends to someone's sins by inviting them to share with him their thoughts.

Explanation: Every night, the priest targets someone who will be cleansed of the Lady Death's touch (if they were touched). The priest will also notice weird behaviors (Cult member, Widower and Lady Death's targets).
Specification: The priest is immune to Lady Death's Touch.

So to make it clear: Priest can not detect LD, only her touches.
Priest can detect Cult Member
Priest can detect Widower.
Priest can protect someone from Lady Deaths Touch.

[Mikecall]

So we got 6 and a half hours left until its almost end of night.

[Toadette]

Everyone vote SuperJack.

[SuperJack]

Everyone vote SuperJack.

I didn't think you where this stupid. Mislynchig me= mistake.

I don't get why you can't see Firebringer is obvious cult. He was the one who killed detective, defended neutrals and is seriously buddying people so that they suck up to him. His play is pure Scum.

[Toadette]

I didn't think you where this stupid. Mislynchig me= mistake.

I don't get why you can't see Firebringer is obvious cult. He was the one who killed detective, defended neutrals and is seriously buddying people so that they suck up to him. His play is pure Scum.

I already explained why voting fire or gamefreak is a mistake. If one of them die tonight the other is lynched tomorrow easy

We want to hit lady death and you or mikecall is her.

You're confirmed scum so hopefully you're lady death.

[Firebringer]

-vote SuperJack

[MattZed]

Okay, I messed up huge. LD could be detected in a previous version of the setup, but not this version. I am revising possibilities now. SuperJack is now a very bad guess for LD.

[Mikecall]

So if Lady Death cant be detected by any role, then god.

[MattZed]

There are in fact 13 possibilities, considering the possible LD combinations.

SuperJack is probably cult, but he is probably not LD.

1. SuperJack+Firebringer, MattZed
2. SuperJack+Firebringer, Mikecall
3. SuperJack+Firebringer, DarknessB
4. SuperJack+GameFreak, MattZed
5. SuperJack+GameFreak, Mikecall
6. SuperJack+GameFreak, DarknessB
7. SuperJack+DarknessB, GameFreak
8. SuperJack+MattZed, GameFreak
9. SuperJack+Mikecall, GameFreak
10. SuperJack+Mikecall, Firebringer
11. Firebringer+Mikecall, MattZed
12. Firebringer+Mikecall, DarknessB
13. Firebringer+Mikecall, SuperJack

SuperJack can only be LD if Mikecall+Firebringer are the cult.