By having 2 safety lynch trains on the 2 most scummiest people, it would of been avoiding what happened on Colder War, since then we have a good 2 leads that could of been pushed for claiming
So lets say it was Me and Deathworlds both 2 votes from lynch
Then it would of been a deciding factor between the rest of the group to talk to each other and see if there was any other potential trains that could of happened, like if Mikecall for an example was the scummiest person to trial, then you would all get me to (L-1) for myself to tell you potential reads overall and my role overall.
I know this is a little shitty, but if I put pressure on myself to give something good I'll never get around to doing it lol.
1=lynch naow
10=confirmed town
DarknessB: With some of his arguments against me, it honestly felt like he was just disagreeing / attacking me for the sake of it. Other times though he actually acknowledged the point I was trying to make which was really reasonable. Enough about me though.
His reads for most of his game have felt very shallow and reserved (apart from on me lol). Not in the sense that they lack substance - moreso in the sense I feel like they were created by a computer. It is obviously partially a personality thing, and the fact it was only d1, but he's definitely intentionally putting thought into being neutral and unreadable, in my eyes. This only makes it harder for towns trying to figure him out. Showing a lot of transparency (like Spruance did, mostly) makes life a lot easier for town. Hence: 4
Mattzed: My (and seemingly FB's) brain reads Mattzed's posts and instinctively thinks "standard Mattzed". Some seem to be criticizing the fact a lot of his aggression doesn't seem beneficial, but that just seems to be his personality. He overdoes it. What really makes me suspicious of him is certain night actions that have taken place. The night action situation rings of Mattzed. If the host answers my questions how I expect, I'll write another post on a theory I have. 3 if theory works, 5 if doesn't
Secondpassing: Though his read jumping looks flimsy, it feels indicative of someone who is genuinely thinking and changing their mind alot, rather than a scum with a clear agenda of how they're going to play. What I would criticize is the lack of reasoning behind many of his reads - the lack of reasoning makes the posts feel more fakeable. Even then though, he feels transparent. 7
Gamefreak: To be frank, I barely remember his posts. His thought processes seem rational from what I remember though. I'm going to say 6 but don't take my word for it until I look closer
RLVG No fucking clue. A lot of the long posts have a lot of shit that is completely useless, but I'm not sure if he was taking the same laid-back approach I was. He feels towny tho for reasons I struggle to fully articulate. This may sound really stupid, but he cares about his posts and whether people read them. If a scum was fabricating bullshit, they wouldn't mind / feel offended if people thought it was shit. This may sound like stupid projection, and it might be. But... 6.5
Firebringer: If he's scum, he's fooled me. I really feel like he's town this game. He's taking risks with his play (i.e. the long notes that I've never seen him do before) that could go to shit / turn out to be bad. Furthermore, he seems to be putting real effort into contribution. I give him 8.
Toadette: Like Firebringer, she feels way to genuine and contributey to be scum. While I have disagreements with some of her approaches and ideas, I still feel good about her. 8
Superjack: Unreadable at present time. - However, in regards to Shifty, I felt like he was just quiet town, because, when asked, he gave good opinions on things. Obviously, that in and of itself isn't incredible compelling, but it's worth of a 5.7
Mikecall: Still the same as when I did that defense post. If it really is so terrible, I'll redo it, but to summarize what he said, he doesn't strike me as a cowardly lurker, or someone who's consciously opinion-copying, at all. However, he's gone for questionnable lynches and not responded to criticisms at certain times. Does this make him scum? Idk, but it certainly makes him 25
You're arguing that Spruance showed transparency? He was basically like "vote for this guy, he's scum" (sans any reason) and he jumped on trains at the end of the day without any votes (like Shifty). Reading the rest of your post, but just wanted to highlight this off the bat. If you are suggesting I act more like Spruance, we really have different ideas of what good townplay is...
Okay. How is my activity with read walls, "suspicious" and how can you say I was less active in the second part of the day, that isn't true at all.
If MattZed isn't scummy why is he partial yellow? Why is everyone in your read list even if you have nothing bad to say about them scummy?
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
The fact that yzb strongly town-reads secondpassing despite his very odd reads list concerns me.
I also note that yzb says I am scum because I am not transparent and then admits he doesn't have a fucking clue about RLVG and characterizes him as more Town-sided.
You are aware that people are well-aware of the "contributors get seen as Town" meta, right? You're basically saying, if someone contributes, they can't be scum? Good luck to you in games vs. Helz...
Omg OoO! I feel like such a spastic lol.
Anyway, my point for number 2 wasn't so much that the doctor missed the heal if 2 is the case, it's that the mafia took a huge risk by assuming doctor would try some huge WIFOM bullshit and heal someone else. Anyway, any doctor that tries that kind of WIFOM bullshit is a bad doctor and should feel ashamed of themselves.
But I don't wanna give up on this theory xD.
Do tailings work even if they come after LD's touches? Because I was under the impression LD's actual kill happened last due to the rolecard.
Yellow means possible scum. And I approached Toadette's question as, go through everyone who voted for DW and make a case of whether or not their vote was sketchy or not. Then, the same for the non-DW voters. I didn't just list possible scum, but took it as a chance to make another read list.
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
It's also Day 2 and most of us got duped by Calix -- I'm trying to take a step back and rethink things in light of that.
Noone cares if the conclusions of my reads "concern" you. You don't like Secondpassing because he's inconsistent and illogical with some of what he says. These don't classify as scumtells to me though, because these are all traits that town (esp. newer towns, no offense SP) often have.
I don't see how the fact I said I see you as SLIGHT SCUM for a VALID REASON links to the fact I ADMIT TO BEING UNSURE. Did you just stick a random "then" in the sentence? Obviously if I express insecurity in my reads, I'm saying "okay take this one with a pinch of salt".
I'm not implying they can't be scum. I'm implying it's less likely, for reasons that should be obvious. This was what I was talking about, you're taking what I'm saying completely out of proportion. But I don't even see THIS as scumtells, I feel like you're just pissed at me but I don't know why.
LD kill indeed comes last OoO is a bit ambiguous. Feel free to ask questions about it. Let me put out there that setup questions may be asked through PM as well.
LD'touch happen during the day even though list is given at night. The kill happens last though. Kills always happen last unless roleblocked. The cult member sent to kill can also be roleblocked in the same way.
Night actioms happen then kills happen
I hope I made OoO a bit clearer
You fucking moronic idiot toadette!!!!! Use your fucking head. That first push on me was fine, then people let off... THAT WAS A GOOD PLAY, but pushing on me again... WTF are you thinking?!?!?!! I'm a more important role than you are and I can give use a role.... now I'll have to find a hidden way to give you that role in case I freakin die. god fucking damnit
I wasn't highlighting Spruance as excellent townplay in all scenarios. I was making a point that it was mostly readable what he was thinking when he was thinking it. He had a clear line of development in terms of his thoughts throughout the game, which made the townread on him reliable. Obviously beyond this he wasn't MLG xD
We're getting a little bit off-topic here, I am going to respectfully disagree. Spruance's posts basically just said "do this because I think X is Town and Y is scum" without any actual explanation. Look at any of the following:
I wouldn't call this transparent at all -- transparent is explaining WHY you think someone is Town or scum.
please don't make a habit of it. I'm used to you being nice to me. T_T
These things piss me off because they make such little effort to defend their own positions that the position somehow feels unattackable. For example, in n.o.2 you've completely avoided the fact you misused "then" to make your sentence look like it had a logical flow.
1) It's not an ad hominem. It's you who's strawmanning. We care what you THINK, but not what "concern"s you, you 30yo woman :P
2) Mattzed at least tries to make it look like his quote things link to what the original person said.
3) Perfect representation of my internal thoughts.
4) Perfect representation of my internal thoughts.
He couldn't logic at all, I agree. And he only stated his logic behind lynching Mikecall once.
I was more referring to his feelings n all that shit:
1) At first he wasn't taking anything seriously, but upon being scalded he started trying
2) However, he ultimately stayed as bad as he was, because he wasn't listening to the advice of others
3) He floated off onto his own island because he wasn't properly engaging people on their level. He internalized more and more, but it was obvious he was trying to control the votes.
4) He gave up.
You obviously don't have to be so unstable, but you can still show your "inner self" clearly to others as town. Obviously, whether people choose to believe whether that is your true "inner self" is another matter, but you can still try.
Anyway, yes this is off-topic. We can discuss game strategy post-game.
I indeed find it really weird you allign yourself with Spruance, is it because he was TPR ?
even calling it "excellent townplay", he was useless
I was making one isolated point about his transparency, that was probably completely unintentional.
If you want an example of another player I'd brand as being transparent who's a little less... well... shit, I'd say FB this game. Not saying I see right through him and see that he's confirmed town, but he's got a clearly, consistent, open town personality. Having an open, trasparent personality makes it easier for town to figure things out, and harder for scum to fake things. Hence it's a very pro-town thing to do.
So Calix was slipping and shit, and being called on, but it was treated by a joke.
Spunce did the "claim citizen when TRP" thing that new players do, and was most likely killed for it.
I wonder how many more slips and claims hidden in plain site exist.
@yzb
You make the weirdest defenses of people , he was plain useless. If you can't give us a sound argument as to why you come to your conclusions.
Nobody is going to listen. thats why Spruance got nobody to listen to him.
To me it seems more likely he was acting dumb to not get targetted at night. Seriously its probably LD who got him since why would you kill him.
You could easily have lynched him today for his shit behaviour.
I agree that Firebringer is transparent and i read him as town leaning. But he could be playing a good scum aswell.
Posting your thoughts on posts isn't hard. He's just willing to spend alot of time doing it.
Also what is with this OoO
Survivor is last ? What is he gonna do , put a vest on his dead body ?
The OoO is weird. The OoO is referring to when the killer VISITS - but the killer actually NKs at the end of the night.
Anyway, my point was purely that transparency is harder for scum, because you have to fake loads of thoughts on things. I wasn't defending Spruance or saying his play was great. He was purely an example of what I mean by "transparency".
Day 2 Vote Count 1:
RLVG (1 [L-5]): Firebringer
SuperJack (1 [L-5]): secondpassing
Mikecall (1 [L-5]): MattZed
MattZed (1 [L-5]): Mikecall
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
Mkecall definitely feels like the lynch to go today.
-vote Mikecall
Don't pet growlithe, he will bite you.
I also wonder who the crier is. Simply spammed his keyboard but still made the effort to post it.
Or its some spooky message, don't think so though.