Sigh...-vote rlvg
Just waiting on you now Iced.
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I am in fact a Doctor.
This was the LW I had posted :
N4 I targeted Toadette, didn't bother to update LW.N1 Yuki, N2 PoD, N3 Calix.
Was roleblocked N1 and N2.
I did breadcrumb and softclaim, which is the reason I'm very sure there's a consort.
Have faith in you guys to figure this out, so that's all I'm going to say.
If you decide to lynch me, then fine, Town still has a very small chance of winning.
Just don't forget one detail : I had a long time to hammer someone, I called out on it that there's TWO L-1's and Ice unvoted in response, which makes me believe he's a Town.
If I were Mafia, I'd quickhammer that L1, kill a Town and then cause a mexican standoff with the neutral who happens to be Yuki. (based on amnesiac claim and etc)
Mafia is between either Toadette or SuperJack.
Also, this is a logical fallacy. If Toadette is guessing that Yuki is an Arson and the reason for voting her was because of that, then she's not following the game.
After getting rid of the Neutral, we'd be in a 2v1 situation which the Town has a better chance of winning than 3v1v1.
Not only that, Arson can potentially kill all of us at the same time, so getting the Mafia first instead of the confirmed Neutral would be a potentially gamebreaking move by the Town, in a negative way. I don't even think Yuki is an Arson lol.
So her reason to vote me is that I'm scummy and she's causing a false dilemma between that the ONLY option is RLVG or Toadette, when there's clearly other players. Toadette is orchestrating a gambit. I remain the Un-CC'd Protective claim. Logical thing to do as a Sheriff in this situation is lynch the Neutral, have the Doctor claimed player heal the Sheriff while investigating one of the two remaining players and if the Doctor dies then the Sheriff ain't all that cleared but a mislynch bait is gone, if the Sheriff is killed then the Doctor is instant lynched.
TLDR: Toadette is Mafia or weak minded sheriff.
That day end timer is a bit odd on my phone, how long remains of the day?
Prepare for likely ridiculous theory...
Yuki is town and has voted sj because sj is neut/amne. Sj remembered actress and toadette is his scum buddy currently bussing him. However unlikely, its still suspicious that sj has avoided a lot of scrutiny and has been defended by almost only toadette
This isn't a worthy counter-comment. All you're saying is that it's OMGUS lol.
I voted you because you're legitimately scummy, are not playing out your role, have selective buddying and antagonising, and the fact you didn't act out a night one action.
Your argument on me? "Fake Dilema" gambit, I only vote Yuki because I need to get rid of an arsonist? I never discussed about Arson at all lolz.
The fact you're so closed minded and et cetera, just screams Mafia to me.
I'm off, ain't changing my vote.
Night Five
No one was lynched.
Day Five will begin in 23.5 hours at December 14th, 2015 at 7:30pm CST - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=December+14%2C+2015+8pm+CST
Players Alive
1.TeldSuperJack
4. RLVG
6. Yukitaka Oni
10. Iced_Monopoly
11. Toadette
Graveyard
8. Mikecall
2. Frog
7. Zekrom2802
9. powerofdeath
13. Suntax
12. TheDarkestLight
5. Ika
3. Calix
Role List
Framer
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Citizen
Citizen
Detective
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Hidden Town
Hidden Town
Executioner
Hidden Neutral
Link to Setup:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...S-FM-Standard?
Day Zero:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...M-167-Standard
Day One:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...461#post539461
Day Two:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...013#post540013
Day Three:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...543#post540543
Day Four:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...365#post541365
Good luck players!
Day Five
RLVG was found dead. He was a Doctor.
He left a Last Will
Spoiler : Last Will :Spoiler : Last Will :
With 4 players left alive, it takes 300 votes to hammer..
Night Six will begin in 48.5 hours at December 16th, 2015 at 8:00pm CST - https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=December+16%2C+2015+8pm+CST
Players Alive
1.TeldSuperJack
6. Yukitaka Oni
10. Iced_Monopoly
11. Toadette
Graveyard
8. Mikecall
2. Frog
7. Zekrom2802
9. powerofdeath
13. Suntax
12. TheDarkestLight
5. Ika
3. Calix
4. RLVG
Role List
Framer
Hidden Mafia
Hidden Mafia
Citizen
Citizen
Detective
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Doctor
Hidden Town
Executioner
Hidden Neutral
Link to Setup:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...S-FM-Standard?
Day Zero:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...M-167-Standard
Day One:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...461#post539461
Day Two:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...013#post540013
Day Three:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...543#post540543
Day Four:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...365#post541365
Day Five:
https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...152#post542152
Good luck players!
I can't believe he suggested a no lynch.
Well, I played bad this game guys, I'm sorry. The only way to lynch Superjack is to get Iced and Yuki on board, but I have no way of proving I'm sheriff given I gave no leads whatsoever.
Sorry for the suboptimal play :-\ Just wasn't my game. Don't blame you if you mislynch me iced.
-vote SuperJack
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Also @RLVG
No need to be a douche. Seriously, I just forgot a night action for a night, and I was upfront about it. It's finals season and I was hosting a game and it's Christmas season as well. I played my role the best I could under the circumstances, just fell short.
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My lw from last night.
Right, so I missed day end, and will likely be killed tonight, was busy compiling ISO's... From my re-read, at this stage I was planning to drop my vote on toadette. She has been in defence of yuki for some time, worked fast to clear me, and maintained a vocal read on SJ being town, looks like buying votes to me. She also 'forgot' to submit an action n1, which just doesnt seem likely, but thats debatable. Her defense towards the end was also weak, spent more time making weak attacks against rlvg than defending her own position. Il admit RLVG is scummy as fuck too, and was my original choice for last mafia, but the re-read has tipped me more to toadette. GL for tomorrow. Below are the iso's for everyone but yuki, since he has so many posts, all of which are irrelevant.
Addition:
At this point yuki is probably amne turned scum, he hasnt posted as frequently this last day, and moved his vote away from the two disputed targets. Seems like he wanted the day to end in a no lynch to take a scum role tonight, before tying up the votes tomorrow and taking the win.
RLVG:
Toadette:
SuperJack:
I'm due to sleep but here are my quick thoughts:
Ice -cannot- be scum. Due to Toadettes (Now Seemingly fake claim) Claim that he was checked.
Yuki is most likely a Jester. But could also be an Amnesiac turned, quite honestly, anything.
Toadette, clearing Ice with a seemingly fake check, buddying with me and calling me obvious town and trying to work with yuki. Toadette will be the scum. Most likely depending on Yukis vote today.
I will be online more tomorrow after I have done all my house chores if this topic needs to be discussed further. But I see no other possibility. So I am voting Toadette
-vote Toadette
I will have this much to say at least:
Framer makes more sense with sheriff than just a detective
Scum me wouldn't kill RLVG. Scum me would kill Superjack because I feel I could sway a vote at RLVG
SuperJack had a chance to hammer Yuki but didn't, probably fearing jester death
NEITHER me nor RLVG hammered SuperJack. As scum I would have hammered than and taken chances with Arson Yuki. I was blind to Superjack though and didn't think it through
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This game at the moment...
Im reasonably convinced Yuki has taken a scum role last night or earlier, and that we potentially stand at 2-2. SJ could be the last scum too, but I cant look past the issues Toadette has had this game.
If it is a mislynch, im sorry.
-vote Toadette
I wouldn't call them issues, I just haven't been on top of my game.
I checked Calix cause I thought RLVG or you would die. Calix died. Unexpected.
Question Iced: why were you voting Superjack yesterday when I was blindly town reading him but today you switch to me? I could have hammered superjack but misplaced my logic and voted RLVG. Turns out we're both TPRs. Why is Superjack cleared for you now?
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Last scum is also consort most likely, and SJ swapped out teld for inactivity. Yet RLVG claimed roleblocked n1 and n2, so its unlikely teld was the consort.
If he was replaced for post count failure, but still actively blocking, the mafia wouldve warned him in night chat. He also got replaced late so I feel ckmfortable he was a cit. Yuki is almost confirmed neut, so that just leaves toadette as consort. If yuki doesnt end this, then hes turned scum and its gg
Iced at least explain to me why you were voting Superjack yesterday but now you're not. What changed?
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In Prime Minister, I let the mafia choose the other mafia members action if they wished. I think I also did the same in the last M-FM for someone afk when I was scum, But Still a Teld-Zekky-Suntax seems like a weak scum team.
I would also like to note, That Toadette claiming she didn't Hammer was a town move from her, but I just looked at the time stamps and the time where I was at l1, would suggest she was not there. So it just looks like a desperate grab at straws.
Maybe so, but im happy with where my vote stands. This game has drawn to a pretty fun end, and im okay with whatever the outcome is on your lynch.
Iced also think about Superjacks behavior. He doesn't question me passing him off as a town read... Until now? I pushed the ika lynch, I also pushed the RLVG/Yuki lynched. Town mislynch town all the time - Superjack has been very quiet coasting by under the radar since bussing Syntax. Its a brilliant play really.
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Alright well before the post game shit goes down:
Again sorry for forgetting an action night 1but nobody's perfect. I didn't give this game the priority it deserved and its unfortunate but it is what it is.
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I did what I did to find scum. I thought I knew you better and could tell your scum from your town play, yet I was wrong. The Ika lynch was rushed and on wet-ground. Claiming I would not mis-lynch yet I was ready to vote on RVLG. Claiming you wanted to lynch either RVLG or Yuki does not at all mean your town.
You played good Toadette, you "cleared" iced and showed me your town badge. If Iced had not no-lynched it would be a 1v1v1. Your ideal situation.
But, as it stands, its in the hands of the neutral.
What were your sheriff findings from last night?
Not sure how you have no leads, you wouldve known mafia was going to target the doc claim last night to avoid a no kill (as SJ mentioned) which left you with 3 invest targets, SJ, myself, or yuki. Ive already been checked by you, yuki is all but confirmed neut, which leaves SJ as the best role to check last night.
Had you started this day atleast attempting to call SJ scum based on a sherrif detection, I mightve atleast been inclined to move my vote from you, but its reasonably safe to assume now that youre the last scum
Im also trying to post so that we can get a new page so I dont have to scroll past the iso's constantly on a phone
I thought RLVG was scum so I checked him. If I would have said I checked Superjack that would have been a lie and I don't believe that would have made you vote him. You don't have to justify your vote that way.
Everyone I checked this game came back town iced, including you. Remember how I was scum reading you day 1 and 2? Go back and reread. I stopped scum reading you day 3 completely. Didn't even mention you, cause I got a inno on you. The moves I have made have made sense from my standpoint.
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2 things here iced:
Your early theory of Superjack replacing was because he was a TPR or scum, not a citizen. Why do you think the opposite is true now? I know you're town so this isn't an accusation. Why are you no longer viewing it this way?
2nd, your view on me. What game have you played with me? Was it Fableblood? I was scum that game.
I was informed. I knew who scum was (Fire) and had a lot more confidence. I was aiming to be lynched to bus him. Have you seen ANY bussing this game from me with zekky or suntax?. I've tried leading lynches here and have been wrong - do you still view me as non scum from a meta point of view?
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Okay I just finished day 2 and I didn't verbally state that I still found you scummy. Guess I dropped the ball there.
That is why I checked you though. Onto day 3.
Yuki, vote SuperJack please.
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Day 3 if you recall Iced, Calix was going at you saying that you were scum read by the town day 1 and 2. Scum me would have latched on to that and sided with Calix since I scum read you day 1 - instead I was suspicious of Calix since I knew you were town at thsg point and had to adjust my thinking. If you can go back and reread thsg interaction you'll see where my motivation lies understanding that I checked you night 2.
Iced, think about the motivations! Why would I hard clear you and be adamant about townreading SuperJack to set up a MYLO situation not in my favor? So that I have to backtrack my town read on Superjack? Please think about the motivation. When I was scum in TDL's game I kept Firebringer around when he was a bodyguard claim because I wanted and thought I could get him mislynched. You were probably going to hammer RLVG if we had time right? Scum me would not had attacked RLVG in that situation as scum me would have looked for the mislynch. Even if he healed someone I could swing it that mafia didn't attack.
RLVG being killed sets up a perfect mislynch opportunity to lynch me. That's what Superjack has done here. Think about the reason RLVG died!
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I still dont understand your reasoning on checking rlvg last night when he was an obvious mafia target and their best chance for winning, you essentially threw your night action away.
I changed my view on super because we obviously have a consort as the last remaining scum, and I dont believe that appley wouldve let teld afk for as long as he did without being replaced.
SJ was also reasonably vocal in the lynching of the previous scum, where as you were rather quiet and dissapeared frequently. You also made some light defenses from memory. I will check timestamps when I get the chance.
Youll also recall that calix had misread, and I had cleared things up with her myself, attacking me at the point or siding with her wouldve been pointless, it was all baseless misinformed information. Nobody would jump on that train so early as scum
Points for if Toadette is scum:
Wanted to vote Yuki yesterday first. If I'm scum this is because I suspect Yuki is arson.
Counter (town points):
If I was scum why not kill Yuki? If I truly think he's arson, killing Yuki and pushing RLVG mislynch is my best chance.
Superjack:
If scum, didn't vote Yuki because he thinks Yuki is jester
Doesn't kill yuki because he thinks Yuki is jester, plus it makes me look bad for pushing RLVG when RLVG was doctor, setting up an easy mislynch.
An "easy" vote is not always the right one. Ika was an easy vote and it was the wrong one. I'm the easy vote but not the right vote.
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Rlvg was the obvious target, there was no motive about it. Hit rlvg and be in a situation capable of manipulating, or hit someone else, potentially fail, and risk being lynched/hammered
How did I throw my night action away? It was Superjack or RLVG. If I check one and he's town, the other is scum and vice versa. Had RLVG lived I would reveal he's town (yuki or you dying) and immediately push on Superjack. You're not looking at the why, but just the skewed result
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