I find Suntax's association with suspicious characters (Zekrom, Frog) to be worth pressuring a little. Thus, I shall move away my vote from the L-2 train for now.
-vote Suntax
How have your actions so far been in the favour of town?
Zekrom, he targeted FROG. He said FROG was visited BY you, and only YOU.
*The accusation against Zekrom, that is. Suntax is still worth my suspicion.
On the topic of early lynching unless there is solid evidnce on a neutral scum such as arso or mm never fast lynch as you should really use the whole day for discussion and last couple hours on voting hammers
also zekrom and calix what's your opinions on mikecalls last will personally I think it's a load of gobshite and is just trying to insult your pro town stand points since he was a neut.
Petit 2-in not defending you zekrom just stating facts unless I missed something yesterday near to the days end then I'm oblivous to how me stating that unless a sheriff cc zekrom then zekrom is a confirmed sheriff or have I been posing epic mafia too much and thought it works the same here
Pedit-actually your point on making zekrom confirmed killer is stupid and obsurd because yes it confirms that zekrom visited but not killed,also I am and was in no way defending him and naming him as the biggest town at the time I posted because I put him up there as town because at that moment in time he was and looked like the lesser of a couple evils since I had no option on ika, rlvg,power of death and I thought yuki was scummy at that time[which I did mention] the only other option was you,zekrom and then frog since I actually forgot about him being in game.
back into the sheriff we don't know if zekrom actually killed frog or if he is sherrif unless I missed a soft claim or hard claim of sherrif yesterday then he is the only sherrif claim
Holy fucking shit are you guys stupid or trying to pass ridiculous shit off to seem townish?
First off, if he was an Actress visiting a Citizen, then that means the Mass Murderer must have also visited the Citizen, and that means the Citizen would DIE. Which he DIDN'T. Now you might go "Oh but a Doctor visited them". If the Doctor healed the Citizen, the Doctor would fucking DIE.
Zekrom screwed himself over by saying he got Frog as Not-town. The Mafia can't fucking kill their own in this game under any circumstance, and if Frog really was an Actress then the Citizen he visited, or a Doctor would have died.
Zekrom for scum, Calix for his ally since he's trying to derail the train.
-vote Zekrom2802
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
The only way Zekrom is telling the truth is if Frog was framed.
That's simply not good enough for me.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
I might ISO his posts later to present my case. It doesn't seem like many people think it's a valid lynch possibility for Day 3.
In the meanwhile, a more detailed reasoning of why you picked Frog would not go amiss. You visited him 'to check if he's really town'? NO SHIT.
TDL, did you miss the '/s' tag next to my post? I was the person that asked if Citizens can die to Mass Murderers...
Also, we have 48 hours. We're on Hour Two. Of course I want to get more information from other players before we lynch Zekrom, especially as you think he's confirmed scum. Why waste a day focusing solely on proving he's scum when we can find his allies?
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
Nvm, I see what it is. The "/s In all seriousness, I'm guessing he didn't think he would die Night 1."
That literally doesn't explain why you even CONSIDERED that possibility unless you wanted to try and defend your ally.
Also, I don't have to pressure other people since I got the scum team down. You for trying to derail Zekrom's train, Zekrom for the night result and his claim, and ika for his fast hammer on a Sheriff claim yesterday, whether it was true or not. Sure, ika might be neutral scum and the third Mafia is still out there, but still, I'm content where this is.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
Before I begin, just a quick reference to this post made yesterday during the hammering;
My PC is almost always on, and I have this game left in a tab always open, so whilst I may not be around, it will likely show me as on 18 hours a day on this thread. Had I been around during that hammering, I still wouldnt have voted though, I thought I made it clear I had no intentions of a D1/0 lynch.Let the record show that Iced was here and left.
Anyways TDL is correct
The only other scenario would be that zekrom himself was targetting by an MM, thus leaving the citizen unharmed, but this would then result in the death of the detective, which also did not occur. It seems at this point zekrom is scum, and I will be voting him today unless any new information arises. However I am also abstaining on that vote for as long as possible so that we may discuss more.First off, if he was an Actress visiting a Citizen, then that means the Mass Murderer must have also visited the Citizen, and that means the Citizen would DIE. Which he DIDN'T. Now you might go "Oh but a Doctor visited them". If the Doctor healed the Citizen, the Doctor would fucking DIE.
I'm with TDL. Zekkys claim is bullshit.
I'll be voting him eventually before the day ends. He should be lynched.
:toad:
Spoiler : O.o :
Finally get to lynch him. Looking forward to it.
:toad:
Spoiler : O.o :
Lol, you are right, I didn't even think about a framer yet.
It honestly was mostly random, in the aftermath I see that Suntix or ika would be a much better target... I completely forgot about my night action until the night was almost over, so I panicked. To my defense I only got Citizen or mafia and never a TPR as a role yet... I know that I sound incredibly uncredible, but I didn't expect that of all people frog got killed...
Made in China
What if I am mm since I claim neutral v)o.o)>?
v)o.o)^
A rare Yuki in ultimate form
Yukitaka Oni ~Tafkal Hit Squad Member~
I'm sorry but zekrom from what I just read that is the most bullshit I ever heard and the excuse of I'm never been tpr before is also a load of shit because this is my first game on this site so I don't know what I'm doing but I'm not using it as a excuse for anything I write./rant
the only reason I am not lynching you is i don't want to put on on l-2 this early into game
If we operate under the assumption that Frog was indeed a citizen, and that he was killed by zekrom, a scum, and with no other night kills taking place, the chances of a MM being about are low. If the host has created a traditional save, then jester/amne/exec are likely one of the neuts, with MM/arson taking the other neutral position. Id be inclined to believe there is an arson about, but there is also no evidence to support that the host would spawn neutrals as 1 benign 1 evil.What if I am mm since I claim neutral v)o.o)>?
Also the fact that you forgot about your action is shit all aswell,1 hour before you should put your night action in [if you had one] and you had good time to write up your last will and think on the best target to check [if you are actually sheriff which is highly unlikely] if you were a sheriff you would go to someone like Ika,RLVG,Pod even yuki before a pro town player like frog.
also the fact you got only 'citizen or mafia' if shite aswell due to the fact that most mafias have actions and thought processes like a tor,,
Framer :
- Target has a flipped result for Sheriffs.
- Detectives will see target visit the Mafia kill target.
Actress :
- Target someone, when dying they will flip as the role of the target.
These are the two only possible roles.
Actress acts after Arsonist, Mafia Kills, Vigilante Kills and Jester Suicide.
Framer is obvious that it isn't the case here.
Frog is a Citizen.
Actually, im going to be jumping off for a bit, and dont want a lynch occuring in my absence without my vote on it.
-vote Zekrom2802
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
Quoting is a pain on mobile, but in regards to your comment rlvg, its 9:30am here, ive things to do, and as far as I can see, zekrom is going to be lynched, theres a good chance I'll miss the lynching, so I want to register my vote on him now. Its still l-2, so its not like im being scummy, its easily an avoidable lynch if something changes. Will likely be back in 2-3 hours.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
Well, I gtg now and probably nothing can de-rail this train. Mafia is probably laughing their ass off right now, I feel so unlucky. I recommend you to use the day-time.
I'll leave my vote on Suntax, just in case...
-vote Suntax
Made in China
Question has anyone bothered to read my rants and posts before because I feel kind of isolated atm
I like how the scum are trying to derail the train and lynch Suntax.
Suntax is neutral/town.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
Fuck whatever discussion I'm disrupting. A WILD ISO APPEARS:
I hope these quotes actually work.
[context: a response to an argument about the benefits of lynching]
- "there are pros and cons [for lynching]" - Empty fluff that inflates the post length
- Poor reasoning for a lynch (focuses on still having a majority, not a fantastic argument if I've ever heard one)
- Vague labels for who he wants lynched. He does not mention any names on his own. Some buzzwords used with little elaboration on why focusing on them is important
[context: in response to a question asking for his scum-reads]
- Thinks Yukitaka is the best target for a Day 1 lynch. Since he's new, he is unlikely to be aware that this is Yukitaka's usual schtick. His focus on the lurkers (aka, a policy lynch) strikes me as a null read (lurkers can be game-breaking little shits, it is largely agreed).
- Claims RLVG and ika are scum, does not elaborate on what about their posts is giving him scummy vibes.
- Gives an argument against Iced using reasoning that already appears in the thread (indirect sheeping, perhaps?). Brushes everyone else off as a neutral - the tactic of lazy scum or inattentive town alike.
[context: in response to a question on who he would vote/ town reads] - Note that he plays reactively, only giving information when prompted. This may be a feature of his playing style, however.
- Not only suspects Yuki (normal behaviour), but thinks they are the best lynch candidate despite superior evidence against Mikecall (took place after he flailed and give up). He then proceeds to vote Yuki, claiming that he would switch back to Mikecall later (a promise he did not live up to).
- Says I am his best town read. Possible. It should be noted that I'm the person asking him the questions, so it can be interpreted as flattery to stroke my ego.
- His notorious 'Zekrom is legit m8s' post is here. He claims Zekrom's posts are 'vital' (wicked hyperbole) and contain 'interesting' analysis (flattery or bigging up a team mate). I would say that Zekrom's contribution has been generic thus far and not worthy of such praise.
[context: after Frog had posted his reads]
Firstly, who the hell forgets about Frog, one of the most active posters town had? Secondly, it comes across as buddying up to an experienced town in order to throw shade on them later when Suntax flips scum. It's enough of a scummy staple tactic for me to believe he was trying it.
[context: in response to queries about why he voted Yuki and why he's dropped his town read on Zekrom]
- Defends his vote 'to put across his point'? That's not helpful when we don't really know what his point is. This is where he outright claims to switch to the main lynch train and does not.
- Zekrom is town because he gave more information to analyse than Yuki, ika, toadette. I'm not great with logic or debates, but I'm pretty sure that's some form of false equivalence (these people are scummier, so Zekrom is town is basically his argument).
- Is hesitant about Toadette. I'm reading this as a potential town who doesn't know what to say to Toadette's minimalist posts. A more opportunistic scum would try and make more of a case against her.
- His next post asks what an iso is; a perfectly legit question. However, he never makes an ISO or brings up this point again.
- Shit-post. Plays right along with Yuki, his main suspect (supposedly)
- Repeat of whatever logical failing this falls under. Town-tells, you're doing it wrong.
Correct: This person has done X, Y and Z townie things which benefit town in this manner and can potentially hurt scum due to A, D and F. They are most likely town.
Incorrect: This person is less scummy and has 'better posts' (whatever this means; I'm assuming he thinks quantity>quality) than A, B, C and D, so he is really likely to be town.
- Wants people to know he'll be offline and unable to answer questions. Nothing much to see here.
[context: POD revealed as Detective; Zekrom claims Sheriff under some voting pressure]
- In light of his other posts, I read this as a scum who is eager to draw out two TPRs (since POD is now legit, I guess) so Doctor is stretched thin. He also claims that a counter-claim is the ONLY way that we can determine how scummy Zekrom is.
- Sheeps onto the flawed idea of Frog being Actress using the reasoning suggested by RLVG and myself. It's not a terrible point, I have to admit.
- Makes a point I agree with about the stupidity of fast lynching (literally no reason to do this whatsoever).
- Who gives a shit about an EXECUTIONER'S Last Will? He is almost as uninformed as us townie plebs and isn't town. Possible diversion tactic; Frog's flip and how this affects the posts he made would have been more useful to debate.
- Claims his opinion on Zekrom is a fact? It doesn't explain his Day 1 buddying.
- Makes a valid point in the shit argument that I presented, but this is undermined by his continued rationalization of Zekrom being 'the least evil' as a reason to town-read someone.
- If we have a Detective, then Sheriff isn't insta-guaranteed. Most of the players have been online and seen his claim, so time will tell wherever any counters him or not. I think it's a point that town would make, however.
Conclusion: Either a new town who's unaware of how suspicious their posts are or a scum that is playing the game straight and trying to lie low. Discuss.
I've already said that I intend to pressure Suntax for a Day Three lynch unless better evidence comes along on Day Three. I've also said that since Zekrom is an obvious Day Two lynch, we should use the time to get more information from his allies.
Saying I'm 'disrupting' a train when I only want a few pressure votes is stretching.
Actually wait, I bet you're reaction testing...
Saying you 'have scum team down' on Day 2, saying ika is scummy for hammering the obvious scum; saying I'm scummy due to an error in reading comprehension on your part; saying the obvious scum is scummy.
This strikes me as being too arrogant to be your legitimate thoughts.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
Hmm, I found something oddly specific and curious.
Framers can frame someone, consiglieres will think the target is a Framer.
There's no bus drivers and doctors.
This means that if there's a Framer, it's likely that there's a Consig may be around to verify that the target got framed in case of an opposing Escort.
Should that scenario exist, then there was an Escort on me.
This does in no way affect the case on Zekrom. He's still scum lol.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
You don't think bussing is an option? Since Zekrom most likely knows he is fucked, he might try it out in the hopes that nobody will believe him.
Some more information from Suntax would be needed to convince me. Your opinion, however curt, is appreciated as I'm biased due to how short his posts are. This strikes me as odd, considering how he sees players who post in a similar fashion to him to be scummy.
None can stand against the coming Darkness...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYCS6k1IOA
Sometimes, the light can come from the darkest places...
How would I know? For all I know, you're saying that purely to defend a team mate, however unlikely that may be. Either that, or you legitimately think that he's innocent by association, but if I did that, I would be giving the green light to two more players (you and Suntax) and could probably process-of-elimination scum from there. I'll wait until Suntax defends himself against my attack (most likely tomorrow IRL) before I would be willing to do that.
Bussing might not be happening every game or whatnot, but that doesn't mean that it isn't happening now. I see no harm in keeping it open as a possibility.
I can't tell with the Wolfram-Alpha link, but I'm assuming the day ends on Friday 3rd at 8AM GMT time? I could hammer if that's the case.