Judge vs crier

[Yukitaka Oni]

Discussion

[Cryptonic]

If you can't put your own thoughts in the OP, this topic is pointless. Please edit something in, or we will have to delete it lol

[BananaCucho]

Okay, I want everyone to know how disapointed I am in Yukitaka Oni. He ruined a perfectly fine thread idea by not readin his thoughts out loud. I will be attempting to start again later (between this week and next week), you will all will receive new ideas (probably better ideas), and you (Yukitaka Oni) will be barred from creating new threads until you can prove to me that you read your thoughts out loud.

[DarknessB]

If anything Yukitaka Oni is the victim of the psychological manipulation of the ones calling for a discussion. He's very emotionally shaken by this, and he gets a thread removed on top of this. Shame on this victim blaming society.

[Yukitaka Oni]

If you can't put your own thoughts in the OP, this topic is pointless. Please edit something in, or we will have to delete it lol

Hm...how about
- Judge: Usually reveal night 1 by saying
+ Kill odd or even
-> problem: should he do that ? Pro: mafia know neutral evil is judge, con: town know that too, specially mayor or marshall can notice not to reveal himself
- Crier: Sometime speak like judge too
+ same
-> problem: depend on setup, pro: if mafia believe,
Crier may buy himself sometime to live, con: some setup have 2 town government ( one through random) may lead the town think crier is judge, lead to his own demise. Or usually town won't trust your claim specially you on the trail, they don't want to put you down because they afraid you will call court
- good idea or bad idea to say: kill odd or even in night chat?

[DarknessB]

When I roll Judge, I often slow play -- i.e. don't immediately chat at night or reveal. Admittedly, this increases the chances of accidentally being killed by the Mafia / Neutral Killer. However, it decreases the chances of being discovered by the Town. If you immediately start calling out odds or evens at night, the Town could make a point of trying to identify you (Investigator finding Corruption and Disturbing the Peace) or kill you (Vigilante). Also, if you out yourself as the Judge early, odds are that the Mayor or Marshall will not reveal for risk of being courted. Calling court after a Marshall has revealed is one of the strongest moves a Judge can make (3-4 lynches) and I'm very hesitant to give up that chance just to reveal a day or two earlier.

I tend to find Crier to be a weaker Town Government role. There's no harm in revealing that you are a Crier at night (particularly, if a protective will heal / guard you). However, if you reveal odds / evens or your number, you could easily get targeted by the Mafia / Neutral Killer (sans a protective). If the Town has protectives left, you can of course reveal as Crier and ask everyone to PM their roles to you. Since a Doctor can heal the Crier, you're safer doing this than as a Mayor (usually can't be healed) or Marshall (can never be healed).

Moving on, I think that two Town Government saves are weird / often overpowered for the Town. Having two roles that can self-confirm is very strong for the Town, especially in the hands of capable players. And finally, I don't think the Crier should typically be attempting to direct odds or evens kills. If the Crier has a good idea of who the Vigilante should shoot, he can call that out, but remember, everyone can see those instructions, and the scum might be able to respond in some way (for example, if there is a Beguiler or Janitor to hide the Mafia member).

[Yukitaka Oni]

When I roll Judge, I often slow play -- i.e. don't immediately chat at night or reveal. Admittedly, this increases the chances of accidentally being killed by the Mafia / Neutral Killer. However, it decreases the chances of being discovered by the Town. If you immediately start calling out odds or evens at night, the Town could make a point of trying to identify you (Investigator finding Corruption and Disturbing the Peace) or kill you (Vigilante). Also, if you out yourself as the Judge early, odds are that the Mayor or Marshall will not reveal for risk of being courted. Calling court after a Marshall has revealed is one of the strongest moves a Judge can make (3-4 lynches) and I'm very hesitant to give up that chance just to reveal a day or two earlier.

I tend to find Crier to be a weaker Town Government role. There's no harm in revealing that you are a Crier at night (particularly, if a protective will heal / guard you). However, if you reveal odds / evens or your number, you could easily get targeted by the Mafia / Neutral Killer (sans a protective). If the Town has protectives left, you can of course reveal as Crier and ask everyone to PM their roles to you. Since a Doctor can heal the Crier, you're safer doing this than as a Mayor (usually can't be healed) or Marshall (can never be healed).

Moving on, I think that two Town Government saves are weird / often overpowered for the Town. Having two roles that can self-confirm is very strong for the Town, especially in the hands of capable players. And finally, I don't think the Crier should typically be attempting to direct odds or evens kills. If the Crier has a good idea of who the Vigilante should shoot, he can call that out, but remember, everyone can see those instructions, and the scum might be able to respond in some way (for example, if there is a Beguiler or Janitor to hide the Mafia member).

Guess the role : Crier, have the name crier for a reason.

[BananaCucho]

When I roll crier I start singing song lyrics from Les Miserables at night

Sometimes in pink or yellow text too

[Yukitaka Oni]

When I roll crier I start singing song lyrics from Les Miserables at night

Sometimes in pink or yellow text too

Teach me please

[Stealthbomber16]

When I roll crier I start singing song lyrics from Les Miserables at night

Sometimes in pink or yellow text too

I host a talk show.

[DarknessB]

Important clarifying question: How does this tie in to the use of "KARP" during day chat?

When I roll crier I start singing song lyrics from Les Miserables at night

Sometimes in pink or yellow text too

[Yukitaka Oni]

Important clarifying question: How does this tie in to the use of "KARP" during day chat?

It's.....magikarp....well (cough)