Illuminati

[Firebringer]

So idea is basically a counter to the Cult and Mason.


Description: You are a member of a secret society that hides in the dark and controls the world in secret.


Abilities: Convert any role if not town to an Illuminati role. [Doesn't work on town roles]

Options:
-Players retain their previous abilities [Default: On]
-Can convert every night [Default: Off]
-Mason kill on attempted conversion [Default: Off]

Win: Eliminate all Town, Cult, Triad, and Mafia/Triad

Sheriff: This person is not suspicious (if Illuminati is turned off for sheriff)

Special Illuminati roles:
Serial Killer converted becomes Assassin if abilities remain
Arsonist converted becomes Pyro Maniac if abilities remain
Mass Murderer becomes Crazed Gunmen if abilities remain
Triad/Mafia becomes Gang Member if abilities remain
Judge becomes President if abilities remain
Witch becomes Deva if abilities remain
Auditor becomes Prosecutor if abilities remain
All other neutral/evil just become "Illiuminati" unless you have names for them :P

*Cult Cannot be converted*

Notice: Players who are mafia/triad that get converted will still show up as Mafia/Triad to their previous teammates, but they won't be in their chat. After possibly 2 days? It will show "X has left Triad/Mafia under mysterious reasons"

[BananaCucho]

The problem with triad or mafia changing to other teams mean they expose their old teammates right away.

[Firebringer]

The problem with triad or mafia changing to other teams mean they expose their old teammates right away.

Exposing someone in chat means that the players now know the person who is doing the exposing is Triad/Mafia. Or are you saying Triad who are now Illuminati revealing the illuminati? Thats gamethrowing.

As I put in OP that if Triad/Mafia converted it would take basically a Day and a half before they are told that the player is now Illuminati. This is so, they dont just go "Damn he turned, kill him now!" So for example N1 Player X who is triad is converted. at D3 they are given message "Player X has left the triad under mysterious reasons" so at night they could target him.

[Mentar]

your suggestion involves ~8 new roles . that's a lot of work, and didn't they hit some kind of limit on the amount of triggers/code in a sc2 map or something?

[Firebringer]

The roles wouldn't be new. It would simply be renames of previous in game roles.
You could always simplify it I guess with a color switch to the players that get turned into illuminati.

For instance Serial Killer becomes Serial Killer that is if the new role was Illuminati for the color pallet

[Cryptonic]

I think It'd be worth it to sacrifice yourself as illuminati to out the other remaining mafia members if you are converted when mafia.

How can town eliminate them if they're a cult that's immune to detection. Seems difficult for them.

[Firebringer]

I think It'd be worth it to sacrifice yourself as illuminati to out the other remaining mafia members if you are converted when mafia.

How can town eliminate them if they're a cult that's immune to detection. Seems difficult for them.

I never said they are immune to detection, just said if it was turned off for Sheriff (meaning new option for sheriff) that they coudn't be found by sheriff.

Investigator message could be something similar to cult or masons.

[Cryptonic]

I never said they are immune to detection, just said if it was turned off for Sheriff (meaning new option for sheriff) that they coudn't be found by sheriff.

Investigator message could be something similar to cult or masons.

OooOo I missed that, sorry lol its early
But banana is right about the risk of outing the mafia/triad members after converted

[Toast]

i think its a cool idea. though the interaction with mafia/triad is a bit strange, it seems like it would be an interesting mechanic

[Mikecall]

Seems like an interesting concept, however, wouldnt it be a bit overpowering if the evil roles retained their roles like mass murderer, serial killer and having mafia/triad members being converted also to the illuminati?

[Firebringer]

Seems like an interesting concept, however, wouldnt it be a bit overpowering if the evil roles retained their roles like mass murderer, serial killer and having mafia/triad members being converted also to the illuminati?

Depends on the save and how many neutral their are in general. If you think about the standard player made save its
9-3-3
Take one of those to be the original Illiuminati and he has to convert someone at night. He has a 5/15 shot of converting the player to his team just by statistics and ignoring the possibility that player was killed.

So chances are it will take a few guesses or nights to convert players in a normal game. If they retain abilities that makes it more, interesting.

As I put in options you can make it take a break from conversion every other night. But even if you can convert every night. The chances of actually converting in the standard save is very low.

Compare this to cult who automatically have a 9/15 odds of getting the conversion disregarding player dying agian.

[BananaCucho]

Exposing someone in chat means that the players now know the person who is doing the exposing is Triad/Mafia. Or are you saying Triad who are now Illuminati revealing the illuminati? Thats gamethrowing.

As I put in OP that if Triad/Mafia converted it would take basically a Day and a half before they are told that the player is now Illuminati. This is so, they dont just go "Damn he turned, kill him now!" So for example N1 Player X who is triad is converted. at D3 they are given message "Player X has left the triad under mysterious reasons" so at night they could target him.

No what I mean is if I'm mafia and I get converted, I'm claiming sheriff next day and outting my old teammates.

[Firebringer]

No what I mean is if I'm mafia and I get converted, I'm claiming sheriff next day and outting my old teammates.

You could do that, but then you have less options for who you convert.
Why go immediate backstab when the player you lynched could out you as well? You could convert your ex mafia/triad teammates instead.

[BananaCucho]

You could do that, but then you have less options for who you convert.
Why go immediate backstab when the player you lynched could out you as well? You could convert your ex mafia/triad teammates instead.

If they scream that who's going to believe them?

I would do it because town will follow a proven "sheriff" to the end of the earth.

[Firebringer]

Bump.

No one finds a possible
Cult vs Masons vs Illuminati with other Neutrals in it interesting?

[BananaCucho]

Not really sorry Mr Sheriff Jailor Sir

[watermeloann]

loooool ILLUMINATI CONFRIMED

[Firebringer]

They have returned.

#Bump

[Bruno]

0/0 this is fucking cancerous, if you want to make an IMPROVEMENT to the game i recommend taking a look at role: damus graves, if you want to kill the game further this would b a great addition

[Damus_Graves]

0/0 this is fucking cancerous, if you want to make an IMPROVEMENT to the game i recommend taking a look at role: damus graves, if you want to kill the game further this would b a great addition

Dunno what your issue is but I'm pretty sure it's got nothing to do with this suggestion and everything to do with the butthurt.
While I agree this suggestion is subpar notice that I don't belittle it cause someone called me an attention "hog".

[MasterNinja]

love it tho, its just a new type of gameplay.