M-FM XXVI The Frozen Throne Gamethread

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Nono, I ment as in you had 3 posts just talking. And then you just said you didnt like someone.

Just Like I did.

But. Im on your side. Fuck the Hammer and his Hammer.

And why the feck you not voting your strongest scum read?

-vote M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard

Still don't understand why people think town never hammer people.

I am comfortable leaving my vote where it is although I could just as easily put it on sheep.

Brozen's read list looked like shit to me. Its like he drew names out of a hat and slapped a color on it with an excuse at the top to avoid doing an actual read. Right after I ask him some questions he vanishes before he has to actually contribute something to the day chat. My assumption is that he wanted to avoid giving reads in case the sheriffs peek was on him.

Sheep looks like scum to me because as I explained he has had 288 hours (Not including today) to contribute but chose to give very little over the last few days until he saw pressure coming. After the fact he gave a (Piece?) of a read that showed his significant ability as a player and said he was working on the rest of it. He was not. I know this because I was refreshing the browser every few minutes while I watched netflix to see how many users were browsing the thread. And now we still do not have this read. This is scummy as all hell and he would be fitting for a policy lynch even if you ignore everything I just said about him.

All that said I still intend to read through Brozen's posts tomorrow morning and I dislike the lack of logic thats going along with these votes. If players disagree with the lynch they should speak up and say they town read the guy. There has been far too much sheeping in this game and we can not depend on the sheriff to do all our scum hunting and direct the day lynch every day.

Again.

and @northrend The enforcer must wanted my actions or think Im Arthas/Sylvanas.

[Spider]

My guess is that scums intended to kill L and but wound up killing who he was bussed with. Given I'm townreading L, I don't see him just making up a bus driven claim.

Also, I want Quel'thas to be aware he's being voted until he shows up. Most of the people actually posting I'm townreading, so I want to have him show.

Just saying that this person thinks that then mafia targeted Lord. But he got bussed with frost. Even though my questions did not suggest this. Seems like he knows more than he says.

-vote M-FM Mal'ganis

[M-FM Sheep]

Just saying that this person thinks that then mafia targeted Lord. But he got bussed with frost. Even though my questions did not suggest this. Seems like he knows more than he says.

-vote M-FM Mal'ganis

Mal has a lot of posts that look to know more than the average bear.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

By toDay I meant this gameday.

You don't want to know. Yet.

You are aware that there's less than 12 hours this gameday right?

-vote M-FM Dalaran

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

@Andoral, Really? "Knows too much". Cmon. Who seriously would have killed Frostmourne the lurksack? There's a missing bus claim.

If you believe Lord is town, occam's razor says bussed with a dead guy. Frost is most likely.

Scumreading me for logic is one hell of a stretch.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Two points. 1, is this a crumb? 2, are you defending Hearth?

I think you know exactly what I was doing there. : )
Asking potential mafia to talk about mafia night actions while they are under pressure can lead to a slip. They can try to leverage ability by correctly reading the mafia motive for the action. And I wanted to see what Brozen thought of Hearth. On both counts his answer was soft revealed nothing. His earlier post flat out said he was willing to explain why he read players as he did in that read list and I still think that list is a joke. He avoided explaining his reasoning with the answer:

The way he behaved the first 2 days, today he seems to be getting better sorta.

Obviously its the way he behaved. But why? Thats like throwing a vote on somebody, saying they are scum and giving no reasoning.

[M-FM Dalaran]

I would ask players voting me to give some reasoning. Feel free to ask me anything. Another vote and I would be inclined to reveal some information that is semi-detrimental but time is a luxury we do not have any more.

On Mal what bothered me the most about the player is the difference between the 'issues' he finds and the certainty that they are scum. These things usually line up in a player who is basing the alignment they see off their reads. When they are not there can be a gap between the two which is what I saw D1 and has happened sense then.

My vote stays where it is until Brozen gives a read with some actual content.

[M-FM Tichondrius]

Dalaran is my top scum read.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Dalaran is my top scum read.

Yes. But what is it about me that makes you read me as scum?

[M-FM Tichondrius]

1. PR fishing
2. Dodgy
3. Scummy vibe in general.

I want your role claim.

[M-FM Sheep]

I find Mal's presence without responding to my read to be indicative of it's accuracy.

Dalaran is terribad as well, but if we could get some more attention on Ganis that'd be swell.

[M-FM Sheep]

I will be able to observe the chat in about 2 hours, and will maybe get a chance to post in the final hour. Suffice it to say I won't be able to make any more of a case, but plz push Mal'Ganis some more. We shouldn't be looking for a first contribution out of someone with 151 posts.

[M-FM Tichondrius]

Code: Od zqkutzofu vggy-dqf

[M-FM Tichondrius]

Our focus should be the last remaining blue mafia to help reduce kpn.

[M-FM Tichondrius]

Check the dead blue mafia's to check for any signs of buddying if you have not already.

[M-FM Dalaran]

1. PR fishing
2. Dodgy
3. Scummy vibe in general.

I want your role claim.

1. I have actually gone out of my way to hide PR's
2. I do not think I have dodged a single question this game.
3. Apparently. Because at least if the train had some kind of read on it or if it was pressure for me to contribute something I could defend myself. Right now it is just a push to role claim with next to no "This post right here could show he is scum because X". This has been a problem through out the game though.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

I will be able to observe the chat in about 2 hours, and will maybe get a chance to post in the final hour. Suffice it to say I won't be able to make any more of a case, but plz push Mal'Ganis some more. We shouldn't be looking for a first contribution out of someone with 151 posts.

Are you fucking kidding me? I have made strong case against Dalaran, helped crack the game and helped town coordinate. Stop whining.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

I think you know exactly what I was doing there. : )
Asking potential mafia to talk about mafia night actions while they are under pressure can lead to a slip. They can try to leverage ability by correctly reading the mafia motive for the action. And I wanted to see what Brozen thought of Hearth. On both counts his answer was soft revealed nothing. His earlier post flat out said he was willing to explain why he read players as he did in that read list and I still think that list is a joke. He avoided explaining his reasoning with the answer:



Obviously its the way he behaved. But why? Thats like throwing a vote on somebody, saying they are scum and giving no reasoning.

He lurked, he pushed for my train in an odd way, he find hammers scummy, he doesnt join train but produced anti town counter train.

[M-FM Dalaran]

He lurked, he pushed for my train in an odd way, he find hammers scummy, he doesnt join train but produced anti town counter train.

Would you be willing to give an explanation on your logic for the other players you read as 'leaning scum'?

[M-FM Dalaran]

7 and a half hours until days end by the way.

[Bug]

So I've ended up way busier than I thought this week.

I'll check in again to help whatever wagon is largest go through, but I'm kinda busy so I don't have time to read through :\

[Spider]

@Andoral, Really? "Knows too much". Cmon. Who seriously would have killed Frostmourne the lurksack? There's a missing bus claim.

If you believe Lord is town, occam's razor says bussed with a dead guy. Frost is most likely.

Scumreading me for logic is one hell of a stretch.

Who could or killed the artitech who was not painting himself as a target? Any mafia wanting to kill a power role or worked out he is a architect.

But you are convinced he was driven.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Yeah bc one bussed claim amd Kil makes more sense as a scum kill bc architect low p kill even if theu knew.

[Spider]

Well. With Sheriff In the chats. Architect is pretty useful. And they might just of thought he was just a PR.

Your "cult" claim was also the most logical answer right?

But you stand by your opinion like it's absolutely right

And not like we are missing other bus claims.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Great I am arrogant. I don't deny that. I believe my analysis is right until faced with evidence to the contrary. I guess that's scummy. Shoot.

Really, who else but Load was bussed last night? That's the missing claim I am referring to.

[M-FM Dalaran]

I am more interested in the missing kills than the missing bus. Also how likely would you guys consider a 3rd town invest to be part of the game? (No I am not soft claiming invest)

[M-FM Dalaran]

6 hours left and

M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard (2 [L-5]):
M-FM Dalaran, M-FM Hearthglen
M-FM Dalaran (3 [L-4]):
M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard, M-FM Mal'ganis, M-FM Tichondrius
M-FM Mal'ganis (2 [L-5]):
M-FM Andorhal, M-FM Sheep
M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth (2 [L-5]):
M-FM Northrend, M-FM Lordaeron

This treading water got old 3 hours ago. Time to stir shit up.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Oh come on Dalaran, last second diversionary tactic to out an invest? Really.

Also, the missing bus driven claim tells us exactly what happened last night. No one will claim bussed becaues Frostmourne was bussed with Loaderon. Loaderon actually shot Kil (just reviewed that). So that leaves Frostmourne as one of the scum kills. Another is missing. Dalaran was roleblocked. Not rocket science here.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

I am more interested in the missing kills than the missing bus. Also how likely would you guys consider a 3rd town invest to be part of the game? (No I am not soft claiming invest)

Oh and with a cult possibility and six scum, hell yeah I'd believe it. Guaranteed witch/framer plus a busdriver of unknown alignment with a possible consort. Yeah just yeah.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Oh come on Dalaran, last second diversionary tactic to out an invest? Really.

Also, the missing bus driven claim tells us exactly what happened last night. No one will claim bussed becaues Frostmourne was bussed with Loaderon. Loaderon actually shot Kil (just reviewed that). So that leaves Frostmourne as one of the scum kills. Another is missing. Dalaran was roleblocked. Not rocket science here.

Actually an investigator revealed himself to me in my architect chat last night. He had correct results on both me and Kil'. My revealing the blacksmiths existence was because I revealed the information to him and in the event he was scum that would put more information in the mafias hands than in the towns. I was leveling the playing field. So- How would you consider a town invest vs a Consort?

As for my lynch I am not worried in the slightest. Thats just not going to happen. : P

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Actually an investigator revealed himself to me in my architect chat last night. He had correct results on both me and Kil'. My revealing the blacksmiths existence was because I revealed the information to him and in the event he was scum that would put more information in the mafias hands than in the towns. I was leveling the playing field. So- How would you consider a town invest vs a Consort?

As for my lynch I am not worried in the slightest. Thats just not going to happen. : P

Well, if you think that a scum investigator investigated you, that means scum arguably already know your role, so you should be claiming right now. If you revealed the blacksmith because scum already knew it, then there's no reason to hide what he investigated you as.

Also, I'll note that you haven't responded to how the night actions condemn you if Loaderon is town.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Also, the fact you didn't reveal your "suspicions" on a third investigator until you were wagoned heavily is suspect.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Well, if you think that a scum investigator investigated you, that means scum arguably already know your role, so you should be claiming right now. If you revealed the blacksmith because scum already knew it, then there's no reason to hide what he investigated you as.

Also, I'll note that you haven't responded to how the night actions condemn you if Loaderon is town.

More role fishing? I have not pushed on you because I see your intentions as town aligned but its like every conclusion you come to I both disagree on as well as wonder how you came to it. Androhal has been saying quite a bit of what I otherwise would be but I figure a conversation between the two of you would be much more productive between a conversation between you and me. Take a moment to at least consider your fixation on the idea that I am scum and confirmation bias that comes with it.

I will have to dig through your posts for a second to see what you are talking about night actions condemning me. If that is really a point that was made I am surprised I missed it. If you are talking about the cult thing / my blacksmith reveal I did not dig into that because its just so far out there.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Also, the fact you didn't reveal your "suspicions" on a third investigator until you were wagoned heavily is suspect.

All I have to say there is Lol@ my wagon. It feels pretty light to me

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Nope.

Only one bus claimed.
Loaderon was bussed.
Loaderon shot Kil.

Frostmourne is a scumkill.
There's a missing scum kill.

You were blocked.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Except there has been a missing scum kill every single day.

[M-FM Dalaran]

I really would like more players to consider the investigator situation. North in particular.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Nope.

Only one bus claimed.
Loaderon was bussed.
Loaderon shot Kil.

Frostmourne is a scumkill.
There's a missing scum kill.

You were blocked.

Something I find odd is that you are railing so hard on this today, Although yesterday the exact same situation can be painted for Captain Luc Valonforth. There was a missing kill and he was role blocked. With that said what in your mind makes me a better lynch than him?

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

No. If you still have your gun and are scum, the situation is diffrrent.

[M-FM Dalaran]

4 and a half hours left.
Even with this invest bit that users browsing keeps flying up and down without comment. I give up on trying to create conversation for today. Its a lost cause. Hopefully we can get our shit together and more people will come online before days end.

[Spider]

4 and a half hours left.
Even with this invest bit that users browsing keeps flying up and down without comment. I give up on trying to create conversation for today. Its a lost cause. Hopefully we can get our shit together and more people will come online before days end.

Meh. Another Invest Role, I would be suspicious of it. And suspect it a Consig.


@Mal Also your assumptions, you are also claiming that it is a Bus Driver and not a Chauffeur.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

That's a who cares point. It wouldn't matter. Bus and Chaffeur act the same. I got lazy with typing.

[M-FM Northrend]

I believe the bus driver is Blue Mafia and that's why there were/are missing kills.

I believe Invest is a scary possibility.

I know M-FM Malganis is town.

If I understand M-FM Dalaran's proposal...

I believe at this point we are forced to take this route:

I would like to lynch

-vote M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard

with a consequence of Town flip to allow for M-FM Sunseeker to shoot M-FM Hearthglen.

Remember, even with a mislynch and three town kills tonight, town will not be in a bad position tomorrow. In fact we can take a lot from today and apply it tomorrow depending on flips.

[Spider]

The fuck he town?

[Spider]

Im not gonna trust that shit, cause of the Witch Possibility. But I will not move further ahead right now.

Back to M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard it is

-vote M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard

[M-FM Northrend]

The fuck he town?

town

[Spider]

town

Well. I still dislike him.

[Spider]

shit just realised. how we gonna hammer without the hammerer

[M-FM Northrend]

Well. I still dislike him.

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.

shit just realised. how we gonna hammer without the hammerer

Whoever hammers has to come up with a better hammering catch phrase.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

I'm here today, and I will like to enforce the idea that I am town
Yes, town!

Does anyone think Dalaran counting down is really scummy?

7 and a half hours until days end by the way.

4 and a half hours left.