@Andoral, Really? "Knows too much". Cmon. Who seriously would have killed Frostmourne the lurksack? There's a missing bus claim.
If you believe Lord is town, occam's razor says bussed with a dead guy. Frost is most likely.
Scumreading me for logic is one hell of a stretch.
I think you know exactly what I was doing there. : )
Asking potential mafia to talk about mafia night actions while they are under pressure can lead to a slip. They can try to leverage ability by correctly reading the mafia motive for the action. And I wanted to see what Brozen thought of Hearth. On both counts his answer was soft revealed nothing. His earlier post flat out said he was willing to explain why he read players as he did in that read list and I still think that list is a joke. He avoided explaining his reasoning with the answer:
Obviously its the way he behaved. But why? Thats like throwing a vote on somebody, saying they are scum and giving no reasoning.
I would ask players voting me to give some reasoning. Feel free to ask me anything. Another vote and I would be inclined to reveal some information that is semi-detrimental but time is a luxury we do not have any more.
On Mal what bothered me the most about the player is the difference between the 'issues' he finds and the certainty that they are scum. These things usually line up in a player who is basing the alignment they see off their reads. When they are not there can be a gap between the two which is what I saw D1 and has happened sense then.
My vote stays where it is until Brozen gives a read with some actual content.
Dalaran is my top scum read.
1. PR fishing
2. Dodgy
3. Scummy vibe in general.
I want your role claim.
I find Mal's presence without responding to my read to be indicative of it's accuracy.
Dalaran is terribad as well, but if we could get some more attention on Ganis that'd be swell.
I will be able to observe the chat in about 2 hours, and will maybe get a chance to post in the final hour. Suffice it to say I won't be able to make any more of a case, but plz push Mal'Ganis some more. We shouldn't be looking for a first contribution out of someone with 151 posts.
Code: Od zqkutzofu vggy-dqf
Our focus should be the last remaining blue mafia to help reduce kpn.
Check the dead blue mafia's to check for any signs of buddying if you have not already.
1. I have actually gone out of my way to hide PR's
2. I do not think I have dodged a single question this game.
3. Apparently. Because at least if the train had some kind of read on it or if it was pressure for me to contribute something I could defend myself. Right now it is just a push to role claim with next to no "This post right here could show he is scum because X". This has been a problem through out the game though.
7 and a half hours until days end by the way.
So I've ended up way busier than I thought this week.
I'll check in again to help whatever wagon is largest go through, but I'm kinda busy so I don't have time to read through :\
Yeah bc one bussed claim amd Kil makes more sense as a scum kill bc architect low p kill even if theu knew.
Well. With Sheriff In the chats. Architect is pretty useful. And they might just of thought he was just a PR.
Your "cult" claim was also the most logical answer right?
But you stand by your opinion like it's absolutely right
And not like we are missing other bus claims.
Great I am arrogant. I don't deny that. I believe my analysis is right until faced with evidence to the contrary. I guess that's scummy. Shoot.
Really, who else but Load was bussed last night? That's the missing claim I am referring to.
I am more interested in the missing kills than the missing bus. Also how likely would you guys consider a 3rd town invest to be part of the game? (No I am not soft claiming invest)
6 hours left and
M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard (2 [L-5]):
M-FM Dalaran, M-FM Hearthglen
M-FM Dalaran (3 [L-4]):
M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard, M-FM Mal'ganis, M-FM Tichondrius
M-FM Mal'ganis (2 [L-5]):
M-FM Andorhal, M-FM Sheep
M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth (2 [L-5]):
M-FM Northrend, M-FM Lordaeron
This treading water got old 3 hours ago. Time to stir shit up.
Oh come on Dalaran, last second diversionary tactic to out an invest? Really.
Also, the missing bus driven claim tells us exactly what happened last night. No one will claim bussed becaues Frostmourne was bussed with Loaderon. Loaderon actually shot Kil (just reviewed that). So that leaves Frostmourne as one of the scum kills. Another is missing. Dalaran was roleblocked. Not rocket science here.
Actually an investigator revealed himself to me in my architect chat last night. He had correct results on both me and Kil'. My revealing the blacksmiths existence was because I revealed the information to him and in the event he was scum that would put more information in the mafias hands than in the towns. I was leveling the playing field. So- How would you consider a town invest vs a Consort?
As for my lynch I am not worried in the slightest. Thats just not going to happen. : P
Well, if you think that a scum investigator investigated you, that means scum arguably already know your role, so you should be claiming right now. If you revealed the blacksmith because scum already knew it, then there's no reason to hide what he investigated you as.
Also, I'll note that you haven't responded to how the night actions condemn you if Loaderon is town.
Also, the fact you didn't reveal your "suspicions" on a third investigator until you were wagoned heavily is suspect.
More role fishing? I have not pushed on you because I see your intentions as town aligned but its like every conclusion you come to I both disagree on as well as wonder how you came to it. Androhal has been saying quite a bit of what I otherwise would be but I figure a conversation between the two of you would be much more productive between a conversation between you and me. Take a moment to at least consider your fixation on the idea that I am scum and confirmation bias that comes with it.
I will have to dig through your posts for a second to see what you are talking about night actions condemning me. If that is really a point that was made I am surprised I missed it. If you are talking about the cult thing / my blacksmith reveal I did not dig into that because its just so far out there.
Nope.
Only one bus claimed.
Loaderon was bussed.
Loaderon shot Kil.
Frostmourne is a scumkill.
There's a missing scum kill.
You were blocked.
Except there has been a missing scum kill every single day.
I really would like more players to consider the investigator situation. North in particular.
Something I find odd is that you are railing so hard on this today, Although yesterday the exact same situation can be painted for Captain Luc Valonforth. There was a missing kill and he was role blocked. With that said what in your mind makes me a better lynch than him?
No. If you still have your gun and are scum, the situation is diffrrent.
4 and a half hours left.
Even with this invest bit that users browsing keeps flying up and down without comment. I give up on trying to create conversation for today. Its a lost cause. Hopefully we can get our shit together and more people will come online before days end.
That's a who cares point. It wouldn't matter. Bus and Chaffeur act the same. I got lazy with typing.
I believe the bus driver is Blue Mafia and that's why there were/are missing kills.
I believe Invest is a scary possibility.
I know M-FM Malganis is town.
If I understand M-FM Dalaran's proposal...
I believe at this point we are forced to take this route:
I would like to lynch-vote M-FM King Magni Bronzebeardwith a consequence of Town flip to allow for M-FM Sunseeker to shoot M-FM Hearthglen.
Remember, even with a mislynch and three town kills tonight, town will not be in a bad position tomorrow. In fact we can take a lot from today and apply it tomorrow depending on flips.
Im not gonna trust that shit, cause of the Witch Possibility. But I will not move further ahead right now.
Back to M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard it is
-vote M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard
shit just realised. how we gonna hammer without the hammerer