M-FM XXVI The Frozen Throne Gamethread

[M-FM Dalaran]

Because he revealed some very interesting stuff.

The only thing I fear is Dalaran is in Mafia with Strat. They planned on killing the architect because Strat already knew who the architect was. So they didn't even bother having a night chat in the first place. No night chat actually occurred. Architect was killed that night after they pegged architect to be town.

I'm fearing this cahoots. This is why I'm hopeful that Dalaran can clear his name by killing Strat tonight.

I don't want to hear any 'oh i was witched' bullshit.

But I can not be orange. Unless someone CC's me I am confirmed not orange.
I will go through the architect chat and paraphrase stuff/drop the notes I put in there.

[M-FM Lordaeron]

Seriously, stop speculating on the impossible. It's wasting motherfucking time.

I just provided a thought of train that will confirm either of the two of Dalaran and Northrend, in such a scenario that there is in fact a Witch.

[M-FM Northrend]

Any spies out there want to claim? Considering your last will might be forged out of existence, now would be a GREAT time to claim...

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

I just provided a thought of train that will confirm either of the two of Dalaran and Northrend, in such a scenario that there is in fact a Witch.

How would that happen confirming them both?
What has the witch been doing? Certainly not interfering with the Sheriff, which is the most likely of actions given how bussing works. Not a single action has changed.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Any spies out there want to claim? Considering your last will might be forged out of existence, now would be a GREAT time to claim...

I am the only person not to claim. I am NOT a spy. I'm fullclaiming tomorrow.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

No wait, Captain hasn't claimed.

[M-FM Northrend]

I am the only person not to claim. I am NOT a spy. I'm fullclaiming tomorrow.

yeah that's kind of what I was asking :-P

[M-FM Northrend]

How would that happen confirming them both?
What has the witch been doing? Certainly not interfering with the Sheriff, which is the most likely of actions given how bussing works. Not a single action has changed.

I'm going to have to agree with this.

There are so many better options for witch out there.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

yeah that's kind of what I was asking :-P

You were asking for me to fullclaim?

[M-FM Hearthglen]

Sheep never claimed anything. Nor did Cap'n Luc.

[M-FM Northrend]

You were asking for me to fullclaim?

whether or not you were spy

[M-FM Northrend]

Sheep never claimed anything. Nor did Cap'n Luc.

Sheep is hilarious. He needs no claim.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Oh ok.

North, can you vote Andorhal and then we can push Dalaran's feet to the fire to test his alignment?

[M-FM Northrend]

I'm waiting to see who is going to rush the vote. I'm a little disappointed at the turnout.

-vote M-FM Andorhal

[M-FM Northrend]

I'm waiting to see who is going to rush the vote. I'm a little disappointed at the turnout.

-vote M-FM Andorhal

Fuck my bad

-vote M-FM Andorhal[/QUOTE]

[M-FM Dalaran]

Architect: He reveals that its myself and stratholme in the chat and says he was thinking about putting myself and northrend in the chat. Then he talks about last nights conversation between princess and north saying that north threatened him to reveal. Then he expresses distaste for north calling him infective while north was trying to make enemy's with everyone in the architect chat. He finishes by asking strat to explain his gambit and suggesting he may reveal to us tomorow.

Me: I said that we should bounce reads off etchother and get some coordinated direction on tomorrow. That we should keep this chat a secret and that I town read the architect based on his decisions so far. That we can give the architect a code to reveal in the late game. I then tell the architect I was not vented, That Northrends use of the chat sounds kind of scummy with some reasoning and that If I were him I would not reveal myself to players through his architect post. That he should instead use a code so he can judge after he sees them interact. I also tell the architect that I really like that he revealed myself and strat so we have no question of who we are dealing with.

Me: (From notes)
M-FM Invincible
#3 His first post is 5mins after the game starts. It suggests that he watched to see the second the game started and has a strong desire to play
#125 Promises to contribute with a 6 hour difference from the last post. He could have been following along but not posting
#129 Back as promised posting just before days end with little content. Suggests Me vs Mal D1 was TvT so he at least read the thread and is reading players.
D2
#342 Softclaims something happened to him N1 but does not claim the RB (Stated by Sunstride). Promises future contributions. His not revealing the RB suggests that he is experienced.
#545 Random check in with no contribution. Once again hints he will play later but never follows up

All I see him as intentionally dodging any kind of content. He provides literally nothing to the discussion and is hard lurking. This is in contrast to his posting immediately when the game started which would suggest that he came to play. Although you could make either a town or scum argument with him holding the RB claim. All in all I would really like to pressure him tomorrow and this kind of lurking bothers the hell out of me. There is an easy potential that he is lurking scum, That his role block N1 caused him to not preform the faction kill. (I did ask the host and mafia hand picks who preforms their kill although it costs their night action)

Me: (from notes)
M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth
#19 Light trolling with a vote on Kil’Jaeden
#48, 49 Garbage
#52 Shows a 7 min delay between when he is asked about my alignment and when he posts. This says he is either already following players and making his own reads or that he is just skimming the thread and threw that read out as a gut feeling. From his other posts he is probably just giving soft reads with little thought
#73 Suggests that he is making in depth reads considering a players motive behind their posts and also takes the time to consider how players will react to what he says. This is in strong contrast to his earlier and later plays. It either suggests he is trying to get players to think he is playing on a level that he is not or he is bread crumbing he will reveal to be a much stronger player later.
D2
#135 Explaining vote tags
#136 Claims no feedback N1, Soft claims Cit. This is a little out of place and looks slightly forced
#137 Speculates on the lack of a N1 kill
#139 Calls King Magni scum with no reasoning. (He only had 1 day1 post so this FoS is hinting at nothing and has no value other than a potential for a reaction read. I would say that is reaching given the other plays he has made)
#144 Pushing on the detective questioning the lack of confidence
#147 He is ready to lynch plague from the detective’s claimed feedback
#148 He challenges Northrend’s comment to the detective which is in a way defending princess and in favor of the plague lynch.
#447 This is the second time he expresses displeasure at there being a lot of posts. Post 49 would be the first
#449 Calls himself lazy and asks for someone to catch him up
Note that his vote never shifts to Archimonde.
D3
#602 Once again asks others to tell him whats going on instead of reading
#604 Trash
#605 Claims he was role blocked
#606 More asking for someone to tell him whats going on
#610 Votes on Sunstrider
#611 Trash
#612 Reads Sunstrider as Neutral-town. Odd that he would vote before reading the player
#614 Refuses to make in depth reads.
#637 Asks Andorhal to read him

Note that his vote never shifts to Invincible.
All in all I would call him a younger player. 100% lazy but probably VT

Me: I laugh about reading Invincible as that while I was reading Captain Luc I saw he was lynched scum

Me: (From notes)
M-FM Anasterian Sunstrider
#79 Asks a plan that is blatantly against the rules.
#80 Trash
D2
#293 Suggests he is not reading everything / asking players to fill him in
#482 Votes on Archimonde
D3
#608 Asking if Invincible posted D2
#609 Correcting himself
#621 Justify’s lurking saying he doesn’t want to become a night kill target
#622 Votes Invincible
#624 Seems to be com hunting and reading his com peg on Invincible as a strong scum tell
#727 Claims Escort with his targets as Invincible N1 and Captain Luc N2
His N1 action was a soft choice but there was not much to go off for any player D1. It is very odd that he did not poke invincible D2 but he did follow up at the start of D3 with his lead.
His N2 action makes sense from a town prospective. Capt did not vote on Andorhal and seemingly justified his lack of contributions with TLDR all day.
There is a potential for him to be an orange consort but it is so much more likely that he is underplaying to avoid attention as a lurking TPR as he claims. If he was orange scum he would not target a semi-blue scum looking player given the D2 lynch. You could almost call this guy confirmed town.

Me: (From notes)
M-FM Kil'jaeden
#10,13 Trash
D2
#174 Very strong post with plenty of content. He shows his ability here and keeps a very open mind while organizing the town.
#329 Questions plague.
#338 Votes Strat for his gambit
#340 Maintains suspicion of Strat but votes Archimonde
#346 Calls Mal scum buddies with Strat (Im sure its because of how Mal defended Strat)
D3
#677, 678 Speculation on mafia roles and actions. Nothing special
#735 States that Sunstrider’s claim and night actions make sense, Shifts his vote to Invincible
#763 Pushes on Quel’s vote
#769 Points out some fallacy in Northrends statement
#796 Trash
He looks townie enough at a glance that I did not really dig into him. His post 174 shows him to be a very strong player. I only wish that I could get him to contribute more. Too many of his posts are reactions to other players comments as opposed to original contributions.

Me: I read strat and come to the conclusion that he is probably town. I reveal to him that there is a blacksmith who gave me a gun which I used to kill Plague. (My revealing this information at the start of the next day was to even the playing field for town in case Strat was scum)

Strat: Says that he is at the hospital and can not contribute much but that he town reads myself as well as the architect. He reveals he is an invest and he checked Kil as well as me.

Strat: Posts the results of his checks

Me: I tell him I am a vigilante and that I read Kil' as a pr. That his behavior in contrast to my read of his ability dosn't make sense for him to be a footman so I assume he is scum. I say I want to kill kil'.

Me: I hint to the architect I would like to have this chat group again and I say I will probably spend the rest of the night tweaking my last will and making some codes.

Me: I give Strat a code to reveal his invest results on players.

Strat: Likes the code

Strat: Says he will probably not post any more tonight

Me: I give the architect a code that will be in my last will for him to reveal to the town

Me: I give the architect a second code to reveal to myself and strat. (Different code than I gave him in my N1 chat but also hinting he could use the N1 code to reveal to just me)

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Thank you North.

Now, let's see if Dalaran is willing to hammer.

If he's not, he's confirmed blue with Andorhal since most everyone not on this wagon is a lurker.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Ask me whatever about that architect chat. A lot of it takes large paragraphs and turns them into a basic statement.

North, can you vote Andorhal and then we can push Dalaran's feet to the fire to test his alignment?

Mal'
I 100% mean it when I say that no matter what I say or do you will scum read me. This is why I avoid talking to you.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Ask me whatever about that architect chat. A lot of it takes large paragraphs and turns them into a basic statement.



Mal'
I 100% mean it when I say that no matter what I say or do you will scum read me. This is why I avoid talking to you.

Dude, that com's already dead and in the graveyard.

Are you willing to hammer or not?

[M-FM Dalaran]

Dude, that com's already dead and in the graveyard.

Are you willing to hammer or not?

I believe I said that I was willing to hammer before Androhal even revealed to be blue mafia. And we still have 3 hours. So lets chat.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

What is it you want to chat about?

Who do you think the orange scumbuddies to Strat are?

We know not me, not north.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Fuck my bad

-vote M-FM Andorhal

[/QUOTE]

This did not count...

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

I'm out. Please get this done and get it done right.

Thanks.

[M-FM Northrend]

This did not count...[/QUOTE]

>:-D

-vote M-FM Andorhal

[M-FM Northrend]

So ... who will hammer?

[M-FM Dalaran]

What is it you want to chat about?

Who do you think the orange scumbuddies to Strat are?

We know not me, not north.

Its you that wants to put my feet to the fire to prove my alignment. I still maintain that the only possibility for me to be scum is as a converted blue mafia and I do not see how I could disprove that theory other than stressing how unlikely it is.

For his scum buddies I like Sheep and Captian Luc. Sheep went way out of his way to scum read you where as I had a town peg on you prior to the sheriffs revealed peek. I strongly dislike his lurking although his reaction yesterday looked like legitimate anger over me pressuring him. Captian Luc has effectively made himself impossible to read by leveraging his apathy. I usually believe scum try to make themselves harder to read.

Quel freaked out under pressure both times he was put there. He could be scum as well although its hard to say because his plays reek of inexperience.

[M-FM Stratholme]

Because I can:

-vote M-FM Andorhal

[The Godfather]

M-FM Andorhal has been lynched! Stand by for the host's review and day-end post!


M-FM Andorhal (6 [L-0]): M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth, M-FM Mal'ganis, M-FM Stratholme, M-FM Hearthglen, M-FM Sheep, M-FM Northrend
M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth (1 [L-5]): M-FM Quel'thalas

[King Terenas Menethil]

Day 5 is Over
M-FM Andorhal was lynched. He was Kel'Thuzad, a Chauffeur
Days and Nights are now 24 hours!
Night Ends
Night Actions must be submitted 1 Hour before night ends.

[King Terenas Menethil]

Illidan's Legion has Won!
M-FM Sheep- Godfather
M-FM Stratholme- Consigliere
M-FM Mal'ganis- Witch

Illidan's Legion has obtained a 3 to 3 status with a witch who they know who the vig is, so I have ended the game here to spare time.


M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth was killed last night, he was Lady Sylvanas Windrunner, a Consort

M-FM Hearthglen was killed last night, he was Uther, a Doctor

M-FM Northrend was killed last night, he was Antonidas, a Sheriff

The Scourge Army
The Lich King (Ner’Zhul)(Enforcer)
Anub’arak(Beguiler)
Kel’Thuzad(Chauffeur)

Illidan's Legion
Illidan Stormrage
Prince Kael’Thas
Lady Vashj

Defenders of Lordaeron
Arthas
Antonidas(Sheriff)
Lady Jaina Proudmoore(Escort)
Malfurion Stormrage
Uther the Lightbringer(Doctor)
Muradin Bronzebeard(Blacksmith)
Shandris Feathermoon(Footman)
Lady Sylvanas Windrunner(Consort)
Tyrande Whisperwind(Detective)
Medivh(Architect)
Falric(Footman)
Marwyn(Footman)
Thrall(Footman)
Little Timmy

Players
2 M-FM Quel’thalas
3 M-FM Lordaeron
5 M-FM Stratholme
6 M-FM Dalaran
16 M-FM Mal’ganis
20 M-FM Sheep


Graveyard
1 M-FM Silvermoon- Footman
15 M-FM Archimonde- Beguiler
8M-FM Plaguelands - Footman
17M-FM Princess Calia Menethil- Detective
12 M-FM Invincible- Enforcer
10 M-FM Frostmourne- Architect
14 M-FM Kil’jaeden- Footman
13 M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard- Footman
11 M-FM Anasterian Sunstrider- Escort
18 M-FM Tichondrius- Blacksmith
9 M-FM Andorhal- Chauffeur
19 M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth- Consort
4 M-FM Hearthglen- Doctor
7 M-FM Northrend- Sheriff


Setup

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Good game everyone! That end was a buzzer beater.

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

Getting converted sucks.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

Good game, all, it was a nail biter!

[M-FM Hearthglen]

Is there a Dead thread and Scum threads?

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

hmm I really thought dalaran was scum due to no bodies and hard andorhal defense

sorry for lying. hiding the witch was hard. blue also got really unlucky w night actions. they enforced me one night that would have resulted in blue conftown.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Is there a Dead thread and Scum threads?

no problem w releasing scum qt

i want to see dead qt

[King Terenas Menethil]

https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/LrMdAhPPaQqj - Legion Chat
https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/vDsENzrXNx8 - Scourge Chat
https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/GxiEYN2NWis - Dead Chat
https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/mUCYnPdytiPv - Architect N1
https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/mVKXiue7Wmhj - Architect N2
https://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/3kZqQwGBQqyP - Architect N3

[Bug]

I'll be honest, I'm pretty put off that the game ended in a scum victory when we ONLY no lynched ONCE and mislynched ONCE. Like regardless of night actions, that should not happen to town considering it was a 20 person game with so many scum roles. And especially for the citizens/footmen, it's not like they could do anything about it at night etc.

[Bug]

To clarify, I'm not annoyed that it ended in a scum victory, but that it ended in one so quickly/easily.

[Spider]

To clarify, I'm not annoyed that it ended in a scum victory, but that it ended in one so quickly/easily.

Town was gunned down a few times. Dont forget that.

And the Glorious Bus Driver got lynched, Naughty Town.

[King Terenas Menethil]

I'll be honest, I'm pretty put off that the game ended in a scum victory when we ONLY no lynched ONCE and mislynched ONCE. Like regardless of night actions, that should not happen to town considering it was a 20 person game with so many scum roles. And especially for the citizens/footmen, it's not like they could do anything about it at night etc.

Yea I tried to give the town ways to kill of scum easily which is why there were 2 killing roles, but ultimately the scum didn't really ever crossfire and hit each other hence not a single orange mafia dying.
N1- Blue mafia converted Captain
N2- Blue mafia was roleblocked from their kill, by you
N3- Blue mafia's kill was healed

so they had some pretty bad luck.

The only time where scum crossfire almost happened was n4 where orange mafia went to kill Andorhal, but because he bussed you got killed.
I don't think I'll ever put a chauffeur back into a mafia. I regretted that once I started game.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

The game was not easy or quick. A witch was a counter to massclaim. Det was counter to witch. It was a series of unfortunate events.

N1 - Det visits witched guy.
N2 - Enforcer visited Witch thus giving Northrend true guilty result and not a fake inno on blue.
N3 - Cop confirms Witch as innocent. Dalaran confirmed killer.
N4 - Stolen blacksmith gun.
Day 5 - Bus Driver, logical lynch, was bad because wrong color.

Scum never crosskilled which was immensely helpful. They probably thought I was GF.

[Spider]

Bad Luck Blues. Ha.

^^ Was lots of fun though. I enjoyed being lonely.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Yeah. Your scum play Andor was good. Only your busses suggested scum..

We made Sunstrider kill herself and tried to kill you. When you bussed the two of you, we wound up mutilating the corpse. You fucked with our kills a lot.

[Spider]

I was a great Bus Driver >->

[M-FM Plaguelands]

Sad I had to die so early. I felt like this was the game where I could "renew" the way I play mafia and I was really in the mood to be super active.. and then N1 actions happened which ensured my early demise. Such a shame. I went into this game with a lot of energy to spend. Oh well.

Good game guys, I enjoyed it.

[Orpz]

All accounts can post in this thread now. Be free, my people.

[ika]

Getting converted sucks.

well if you didnt make it obvious that you were claiming to be one of the 2 converters you might of gotten away. I left the single post that made me think PR and made me target you

[Bug]

The game was not easy or quick. A witch was a counter to massclaim. Det was counter to witch. It was a series of unfortunate events.

N1 - Det visits witched guy.
N2 - Enforcer visited Witch thus giving Northrend true guilty result and not a fake inno on blue.
N3 - Cop confirms Witch as innocent. Dalaran confirmed killer.
N4 - Stolen blacksmith gun.
Day 5 - Bus Driver, logical lynch, was bad because wrong color.

Scum never crosskilled which was immensely helpful. They probably thought I was GF.

Jesus Titus, just because you won and I said something negative doesn't mean you have to immediately try to refute me as if I'm trying to take your laurels from you. It was fairly unfair for town, considering OR not considering night activity. For a town citizen, there's basically very little that could have been done better. The number of mislynches to over-run is very important in setup balance, and that number was incredibly low this game due to the series of unfortunate events.

Any game where the overrun number ends up low IS indeed an easier game for scum, so this game WAS easier for scum. That doesn't mean you didn't play well, but don't go saying this wasn't an easy game for the orange mafia team to win, because it was not difficult for you guys AT ALL.

[Citrus]

Ah well I could have written that with my main account but I didn't scroll far enough down.