M-FM XXVI The Frozen Throne Gamethread

[M-FM Stratholme]

Ahh fuck it. Northrend, thoughts?





= Andorhal bussed me and Frost, which means that the feedback from Stratholme isn't accurate. I was bussed N3 and assuming that this is in the correct order, the feedback is wrong because Frost is an Architect.

I find it most curious that Stratholme may be gambitting his investigator reads, and it seems too easy to say that I was bussed with Frost who died.

Well I went for froustmourne that night froustmourne obv wasnt footman and you claiemd to be bussed that night leaving you as only reliable option, Andorhal confirmed that later for me thats why I asked if eh switched you and froustmourne n3, I could have been witched that ngiht, but why would anyone do that?

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Ahh ok. Sorry was a little slow there. That could be framer then that causes a wrong result which is more plausible than witch. Your invest doesn't match but hits something consistent with any possible scumteam.

[M-FM Stratholme]

There wasnt much to the architect chat, the architect told us who he put in and then said soemthigna bout you beign footman, dalaran put up a shit ton of reads in teh chat, since I was in the hospital i didnt had enough time to do anything great so I claimed my role to him and shared my clues so far, he claimed to be vig then and that he wants to go for kil´Jaeden that night.

[M-FM Stratholme]

The "you" is regarding to Northend, forgot to include his quote there.

[M-FM Lordaeron]

Well I went for froustmourne that night froustmourne obv wasnt footman and you claiemd to be bussed that night leaving you as only reliable option, Andorhal confirmed that later for me thats why I asked if eh switched you and froustmourne n3, I could have been witched that ngiht, but why would anyone do that?

So you believe I am in the Footman pairing just like that? No thinking of Witch and Framer? You seem mildly informed, mind that the Frost<->Lord were pure speculation due to a missing feedback which may have been someone else and the confirmation did not appear until later.

I am indeed a Footman.

There wasnt much to the architect chat, the architect told us who he put in and then said soemthigna bout you beign footman, dalaran put up a shit ton of reads in teh chat, since I was in the hospital i didnt had enough time to do anything great so I claimed my role to him and shared my clues so far, he claimed to be vig then and that he wants to go for kil´Jaeden that night.

What is this? How would he know? I was not in the chat.

I was the one who killed Kil'Jaeden N3 using the Gun I received from the blacksmith.
If he truly were the Vigilante who did go for a kill, I just wasted a gun.

[M-FM Stratholme]

hello , i was not bussed or roleblocked
also strat what is your reasoning to voting me because i am confused

and im sure theres no vent since no on claimed to be vented so

-vote M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth

I voted you since their are only 6 possible towns left, there are multiple scenrios on how it can pan out, but from my clues and reads so far, you are the one I can say for certain isnt town if Andorhal is chauffeuer it patches perfectly in my list, if northend is tracker or got witched by any chance that makes Andorhal a bd, but you are still 1 of the 4 remaining scums, if Lorderon is godfather or acolyte it´s the same, the only scenario where you could be town is, if lorderon is godfather and northend tracker, wich I see as really unlikely.

[M-FM Stratholme]

So you believe I am in the Footman pairing just like that? No thinking of Witch and Framer? You seem mildly informed, mind that the Frost<->Lord were pure speculation due to a missing feedback which may have been someone else and the confirmation did not appear until later.

I am indeed a Footman.



What is this? How would he know? I was not in the chat.

I was the one who killed Kil'Jaeden N3 using the Gun I received from the blacksmith.
If he truly were the Vigilante who did go for a kill, I just wasted a gun.

Well you had a footman playstyle, framer doesnt change invest clues and the chance of gettign witched was near 0 and the "you" was regarded to Northend like I said. Also youd dint waste teh gun since dalaran got roleblocked that night.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Well this makes sense.

We lynch Ando. No scum bd. If Ando flips town, Dalaran vigs Strat. Worse case we force scums to kill each other.

If Ando flips scum, North and I pi:k who D vigs prior to lynch. Guaranteed scum flip.

[Spider]

I agree with Northrend's analysis that either Ando or Strat is scum.

1)There is no witch is the most likely scenario.
1a) Witch, if existing, ignored Sherrif every day despite Sherrif being the only PR that claimed.
1b) Witch, if Ando is telling the truth, decided to witch Ando over giving themselves guns, getting a second immediate kill, or getting a roleblock last night.

2) Ando's claimed targets do not make sense from a town perspective.
We have a sheriff who has been guiltying scum left right and center. A town bus driver busses them with someone scummy.

Ando's actions serve to just doubtcast the sherrif. He suggests that North could be a scum tracker. The only way that works to get guilities as a scum tracker is if North tracked the beguiler and enforcer to kills two nights in a row. To even suggest that theory suggests he knows who made what kills for the blue team. The only way Ando knows that is if he's blue.

The other alternative is that Ando is attempting to reduce the number of cop clears by attacking North and myself and the scum motivation is apparent on that.

3)His posts do suggest, but not prove, he is coding through his posts.

4)Ando jumps straight to witch targeting him but wants to argue that all investigations are accurate. He does not have a wtf you lie moment. This suggests that he intended to bus himself with Staholme and take advantage of his lurker status and tries to retconn the existance of a witch.

You just wait untill I get home. This post is so full of errors.

[M-FM Northrend]

then said soemthigna bout you beign footman

Lol, yeah I did basically claim footman in a funny way during that architect chat. I seriously thought architect was Mafia and wasn't trusting princess 100% at that point. If Princess were to seriously doubt me, maybe I'd be proven by a real det. On the other hand, if Princess or architect were scum, maybe I'd buy myself an extra day and watch people jump on D3 doubt of not being Sheriff. Turns out both flipped town. :-/

We lynch Ando. No scum bd. If Ando flips town, Dalaran vigs Strat. Worse case we force scums to kill each other.

If Ando flips scum, North and I pi:k who D vigs prior to lynch. Guaranteed scum flip.

This is what I was thinking too. But I'd still like the transcript. It needs to be consistent between both parties, *and actually exist*.

I wouldn't relieve Strat of doubt entirely even if/when Andorhal flips Mafia.

[M-FM Sheep]

Sheep keeping quiet I did not like, since if he is mafia. Him and if he has team members have an advantage. But am somewhat glad that he is admitting it.

A role with feedback needs to be able to claim the feedback to confirm itself later. It's only a pro-bus driver action to make sure they hold onto that ability to confirm their role. Now in this setup your alignment is in question, but how do you not see that my action was entirely in your favor?

I'm not sure what is going on with the Andorhal v Stratholme thing, all the possible mechanical results are confusing the shit out of me frankly. I'll try to decipher it later, but if we can't catch one in a blatant error I'd think the role that can pull Northrend away from the Doctor is the greater danger.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

@North, I concur. We could vig Strat in either instance.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Can I post a transcript of my architect chat?
If the answer is yes I will although I remember there being a specific rule about not quoting night chats / host PM's..

Everything strat said is true. I will not go into detail on my line of thought unless a large portion of the town wants me to because... Reasons. I revealed the existence of an invest yesterday because I was still slightly torn on the possibility of a consort. I was particularly interested in norths feedback on the subject because he seemed to know strat was an invest D3.

Androhal's play looks very odd and takes a very specific set of actions to be possible. Just after skimming though I have to say I feel it is very unlikely and I am always a fan of following the most logical line of thought but I will actually have to go through everything carefully.

[M-FM Dalaran]

If not and architect is that important I can just summarize posts. I made up the vast majority of them and they almost all came from my notes so I can probably just vomit said notes on the chat with statements of what Strat / architect said either way.

[Spider]

I agree with Northrend's analysis that either Ando or Strat is scum.
I expected it to be an Ando vs Strat post. Apparently, it is but Strat is not involved.

1)There is no witch is the most likely scenario.
Apart from the fact that I am Bus Driver and three busses happend last night.
1a) Witch, if existing, ignored Sherrif every day despite Sherrif being the only PR that claimed.
May I remind you that Witch does not leave feedback you have no idea if the Sheriff has been targeted or not
1b) Witch, if Ando is telling the truth, decided to witch Ando over giving themselves guns, getting a second immediate kill, or getting a roleblock last night. I told you. That I was not Chosen to be Witched.
The Escort with the Gun, was the target of the witch. BUT he was switched with me. So I ended up getting witched after I had bussed. The Witch was making the Escort target Strat but ended up sending him a Third bus journey.
As stated in the setup, If I was targeted Directly, my first target would be changed, my first target was me and I was still bussed so this did not happen

2) Ando's claimed targets do not make sense from a town perspective.
We have a sheriff who has been guiltying scum left right and center. A town bus driver busses them with someone scummy.
What the fuck? Swapping Town with Scum is wrong? What is the alternative, Town with Town? Scum with Scum? The reason I swapped the Sheriff Night 2 was because there was a roleblocker in the game, and he was a prime target. And I swapped him with a Hammer Happy scum looking player.

Ando's actions serve to just doubtcast the sherrif. He suggests that North could be a scum tracker. The only way that works to get guilities as a scum tracker is if North tracked the beguiler and enforcer to kills two nights in a row. To even suggest that theory suggests he knows who made what kills for the blue team. The only way Ando knows that is if he's blue.
May I remind you, that Sheriff was roleblocked N2, the only person he would have to check successfully was The First Scum. The reason why I even suggested this Idea, was to see who would side with the Sheriff, and what the Investigator would say about this. Plus that It feels wrong that Town has 3 investigation roles.

Aplologies that I have no comfirmed clue to who the mafia are, so I will always suggest a reason for others to be scum, and if they provide a valid reason to why they are not. This is fine

The other alternative is that Ando is attempting to reduce the number of cop clears by attacking North and myself and the scum motivation is apparent on that.
Cop Clears, this is only true if their is no Witch in the game. But their is a Witch in the game. I did not attack North, I offered people up an alternative because so many town have died, yet their are so many town claims.

3)His posts do suggest, but not prove, he is coding through his posts.
I stated I was on my phone, I was at work. I was on my break, eating and typing.

4)Ando jumps straight to witch targeting him but wants to argue that all investigations are accurate. He does not have a wtf you lie moment. This suggests that he intended to bus himself with Staholme and take advantage of his lurker status and tries to retconn the existance of a witch.
No, I did not at once claim that all investigations are accurate. I bussed myself with the now Dead Escort.

I will post more information about why I switched who I switched. And How I see the OoO working.

[Spider]

-Night Chats Open- Mafia, Cult, Architect, Jail
-Interview
-Veteran Alert
-Shaman Controls
-Hitman Kill
-Enforcer
-Misdirects- Witch>Bus Driver/Chauffeur>Enchantress>Beguiler
-Roleblocks- Escort, Consort> Can Roleblock Misdirects directly
-Framer, Tailor
-Investigative Roles- Spy, Sheriff, Detective, Investigator, Consigliere, Tracker
-Armorsmith/Blacksmith
-Bodyguard Sets Up
-Night Kills (-1)
-Doctor (+1)
-Conversions- Cult, Arthas, Sylvanas
-Lookout, Coroner
-Ventriloquist/Blackmail
-Veteran Kills

This Part here:
-Misdirects- Witch>Bus Driver/Chauffeur>Enchantress>Beguiler

These all happen at the same time since they are on the same line. If the Witch Targets the Bus Driver Directly, the Bus Drivers first target changes no matter what.

Witch=W, Bus Driver=B, Other person=O

If B Swaps Self with O, And witch Targets O. B gets witched after the bussing Occures hence creating the Third Bussing Result.

Everyone get that?

[Spider]

Me<> Sheep
Welcome to the first night. After Day 1 Occured with some of the most annoying arguements I had read, I Switched with a Lurker. My "Woofing" was trying to attract attention from the Mafia. Being the only Comfirmed Town I know of, I decided to Switch Myself.

Plus, For a Picture of a Wolfdog to Switch a Sheep, It was fun RP wise

Sheriff<>Guy that Hammers.
Wanting to Protect the Sheriff, I swapped him with the person I did not see as town. Which at the Time was the Hammer Guy. My Main objective was to protect the Sheriff from being Roleblocked by any consort, or from being killed.

Unfortunately, the Escort had the same views on hammer that I did, and Targeted hammer getting the Sheriff Rolelocked.

Lord><Frost
Deciding to change my tune, I picked to review a player I saw as a strong Town Member. I trusted Lord and made sure it was clear that I saw him as town, but did not claim he was a footman. The Plan was to make the Mafia target him. Which Worked. I swapped him with a player I saw as unhelpful and lurking, just like the previous two Mafia Deaths where.

If I knew or saw signs he was an Architect I would not have bussed him

Me><Escort.
Seeing the chances of Witch in the game due to detectives false result, (Also not forgetting that their could be a Framer) I wanted to protect the Escort, so that he does not get witched and kills someone wrong. If there is a Witch in the game, it would create a third Bussing result confirming the Witches Presence.

If anyone has any objections to my targets being non-town choice please state why.

[M-FM Lordaeron]

If the Witch targeted the Escort to use the gun but failed, it would mean the Escort were free to use the gun.
Then why the blazing fuck were the Blacksmith who were confirmed, shot and killed?

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Lots of words to be wrong. You stated that you were your first target. Setup thread states that if witch witches bus driver then the first target is changed. As such, you would not have been bussed at all. Witches forces a player to visit a particular target instead of the one they actually visited.

So there would not be three busses even with a witch. I may be an older mafia player but I am not senile.

[M-FM Lordaeron]

I don't believe in the Three Bus theory either, I have never seen it happen. Usually it means that the first or last target of the bus were changed, but never a freaking third.

Until proven, I'll say that one of the claimers lie.

[Spider]

If the Witch targeted the Escort to use the gun but failed, it would mean the Escort were free to use the gun.
Then why the blazing fuck were the Blacksmith who were confirmed, shot and killed?

Because I'm not Mafia. Their is at least 1 & 3 Mafia Left alive. Which leaves the possibility of 2 mafia kills.

I have no idea what the Escort did last night. And Apparently, neither leave Last Wills. Which you think they would. Which is why I see there being a chance of Framer along with the Witch, who has been removing last wills.

They targeted me, and perhaps wanted to clean my last will along with it.

[M-FM Northrend]

If the Witch targeted the Escort to use the gun but failed, it would mean the Escort were free to use the gun.
Then why the blazing fuck were the Blacksmith who were confirmed, shot and killed?

I don't understand why the blacksmith wasn't a preferred target if Andorhal had doubt in me. So much lols. According to your OoO, if you really had targeted yourself and escort, as Lord mentions:
1. Witch witches Escort(With a gun) to shoot, roleblock.
2. Bus driver swaps escort with himself.

There is no third bus ride.

So again,
Either Strat is lying about being bussed, or you are lying about who you targetted. But considering you gladly reveal that you were bussed last night, and at that point Strat had no incentive to lie about the bus ride, it stands to reason that no matter the case you two were bussed. Considering I targetted Strat last night, that means you came up as Mafia.

Considering some iffy reasoning on your bus choices, I'm going to go ahead and peg you as chauffeur. So are you Blue or Yellow Mafia? I could let you live another day depending on your answer.

[Spider]

Lots of words to be wrong. You stated that you were your first target. Setup thread states that if witch witches bus driver then the first target is changed. As such, you would not have been bussed at all. Witches forces a player to visit a particular target instead of the one they actually visited.

So there would not be three busses even with a witch. I may be an older mafia player but I am not senile.

I was Not the Witches Original Target.
Witching and Bussing occur at the same time, only order occurs if one targets the other. Which Witch wins at.

Escort was supposed to be witched, But I Swaped him with Myself.
The Bussing between me and the Escort has occuered, but since I was not targeted First, the Witch makes me bus 1 more person again. Which is why my original bussing still happened.

[Spider]

I don't understand why the blacksmith wasn't a preferred target if Andorhal had doubt in me. So much lols. According to your OoO, if you really had targeted yourself and escort, as Lord mentions:
1. Witch witches Escort(With a gun) to shoot, roleblock.
2. Bus driver swaps escort with himself.

There is no third bus ride.

So again,
Either Strat is lying about being bussed, or you are lying about who you targetted. But considering you gladly reveal that you were bussed last night, and at that point Strat had no incentive to lie about the bus ride, it stands to reason that no matter the case you two were bussed. Considering I targetted Strat last night, that means you came up as Mafia.

Considering some iffy reasoning on your bus choices, I'm going to go ahead and peg you as chauffeur. So are you Blue or Yellow Mafia? I could let you live another day depending on your answer.

Why 3 bus drives occur is posted below.

Iffy reasonings? Twice I've been able to anticipate Mafia targets. One of them times where my posts caused them to do it.

Who would you of bus Driven during the nights?

[M-FM Northrend]

Who would you of bus Driven during the nights?

The gunsmith 100x over.

[Spider]

Host. Come here. Confirm how the OoO works, and confirm the Witch changes the First target of the Bus Driver and that you have made no mistakes.

[Spider]

The gunsmith 100x over.

Well, if they had managed to shoot another Town using the Gun last night. Today would of been a lot worse than it is right now.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

@North, He's orange almost certainly. After your guilties you get sheepage. Here, I am the only sheep. Do the math.Orange scum will sheep your guilties to lynch Blue scum but not Orange scum.

[Spider]

@North, He's orange almost certainly. After your guilties you get sheepage. Here, I am the only sheep. Do the math.Orange scum will sheep your guilties to lynch Blue scum but not Orange scum.

Psst, I Typed stuff. Do you even read bro?

[Spider]

@North, He's orange almost certainly. After your guilties you get sheepage. Here, I am the only sheep. Do the math.Orange scum will sheep your guilties to lynch Blue scum but not Orange scum.

But, I am Town, And vote against both Mafia Equally.

[M-FM Northrend]

@North, He's orange almost certainly. After your guilties you get sheepage. Here, I am the only sheep. Do the math.Orange scum will sheep your guilties to lynch Blue scum but not Orange scum.

I'm not sure how I'm still alive then. Again, wouldn't it have been preferable to chauffeur me with a player and have me killed without doc coverage?

I'm looking for a scenario that doesn't involve wifom play... Why am I still here?!

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Ando likely figured he was safe from being checked. All the kills have been PRs for the most part lately. It is probably a different prioritization of kills. For Sheriff there's lies and wifom that can be told. It's very hard to wifom being shot to death.

[Spider]

Ando likely figured he was safe from being checked. All the kills have been PRs for the most part lately. It is probably a different prioritization of kills. For Sheriff there's lies and wifom that can be told. It's very hard to wifom being shot to death.

Hello Master Tunnel Vision.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

-vote M-FM Andorhal

[Spider]

-vote M-FM Andorhal

Hello Silent Vote.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Hello desperate discredit. Learn to lie better. You cannot wifom you're town after death. You can wifom a sheriff result. Those are facts.

Hello thank you.

[Spider]

Hello desperate discredit. Learn to lie better. You cannot wifom you're town after death. You can wifom a sheriff result. Those are facts.

Hello thank you.

Hello Doctor Tunnel Vision.

[M-FM Dalaran]

We still have a long time in the day and that conversation is going nowhere.
@andorhal Night actions aside who do you read as scum and why?

[M-FM Northrend]

We still have a long time in the day and that conversation is going nowhere.
@andorhal Night actions aside who do you read as scum and why?

100% agree. I won't make a vote until I hear back from the host anyway. Let's hear scum reads from Andorhal and Strat.

Strat, can you expand on reads from these players?

I didnt saw anything that would let me to believe a ventril is in the game so, we can probably trust in the fact that dalaran is town, hearthglen claimed doctor wich matches my clue, before I even revealed it and I dont believe in a second beguiler that much and there were no blackmails so far aswell.
Lorderon has a chance to be evil, but his playstyle so far doesnt seem like it.
So if we say these 3 are town, then we take myself and northend in. That leaves 1 possible town open wich is supposedly Mal´Ganis after northends clue our bus driver.

That would leave our scum list to:
M-FM Sheep
M-FM Andorhal
M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth
M-FM Quel´Thalas

The possibility that Lorderon is acolyte or godfather is still there though, wich would open up an other town spot for one of my scum list candidates, also Mal´ganis wouldnt be 100% bus driver in that case, it would be nice if you could claim your role.

[Spider]

We still have a long time in the day and that conversation is going nowhere.
@andorhal Night actions aside who do you read as scum and why?

Give me some time to read through and I shall speak.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

Hello Silent Vote.

Hello, today's lynch.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

That would leave our scum list to:
M-FM Sheep
M-FM Andorhal
M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth
M-FM Quel´Thalas

You know what's funny about this? It's almost exactly the same as the scum list I've had for a while now.

There is one difference - your name replaces Quel’thalas.

Funny.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Just becaues of the night kill this was my D3 notes on M-FM Anasterian Sunstrider that I posted in architect chat. I also posted reads on Captain Luc Valonforth, Kil'jaeden, and Invincible. Although the Invincible one was kind of a mistake.

#79 Asks a plan that is blatantly against the rules.
#80 Trash
D2
#293 Suggests he is not reading everything / asking players to fill him in
#482 Votes on Archimonde
D3
#608 Asking if Invincible posted D2
#609 Correcting himself
#621 Justify’s lurking saying he doesn’t want to become a night kill target
#622 Votes Invincible
#624 Seems to be com hunting and reading his com peg on Invincible as a strong scum tell
#727 Claims Escort with his targets as Invincible N1 and Captain Luc N2
His N1 action was a soft choice but there was not much to go off for any player D1. It is very odd that he did not poke invincible D2 but he did follow up at the start of D3 with his lead.
His N2 action makes sense from a town prospective. Capt did not vote on Andorhal and seemingly justified his lack of contributions with TLDR all day.
There is a potential for him to be an orange consort but it is so much more likely that he is underplaying to avoid attention as a lurking TPR as he claims. If he was orange scum he would not target a semi-blue scum looking player given the D2 lynch. You could almost call this guy confirmed town.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

Captain Luc Valonforth



His N2 action makes sense from a town prospective. Capt did not vote on Andorhal and seemingly justified his lack of contributions with TLDR all day.
There is a potential for him to be an orange consort but it is so much more likely that he is underplaying to avoid attention as a lurking TPR as he claims. If he was orange scum he would not target a semi-blue scum looking player given the D2 lynch. You could almost call this guy confirmed town.

I thought he was the last remaining Blue Scum. Are you sure?

[M-FM Dalaran]

I thought he was the last remaining Blue Scum. Are you sure?

As that he is dead now yes. There was more to my read than that but that is the portion of my notes I posted in architect chat. I feel that it is relevant given our current situation so there it is.

[King Terenas Menethil]

If you could compile questions in 1 post that would be helpful. From what i remember if witch targets BD then first target is changed. If witch targets a PR with a gun she uses the power role unless the PR planned on using the gun that night. Also witch is before BD in OoO. At worjk so will get back later.

[M-FM Stratholme]

Strat, can you expand on reads from these players?

Actually there isnt to much more to say about them, since they are basically all lurkers.

Sheep became active the last days and put out some reads, suspicious here would be his obsession with dalaran everyone seem to have gotten suddenly in the last day other then that not much more.

Andorhal on the other hand is the most active one of the 4, but his posts are rather neutral until his claim today.

Captain Luc is easier to read here he usually posts one sentence posts to keep his post count up and leaves votes without reasoning everywhere otherwise he leaves great amount of fluff and never said anything useful so far, also always mentioning that he needs to recaps things.

Quel Thalas posts even less, jumped right on my little d2 gambit and hasnt made anything productive so far except saying he is confused and not vented while adding some random votes here and there wich makes him my number 1 target on that list so far.

[M-FM Sheep]

[4/27/15, 7:44:38 PM] MFM Sheep: if a Witch targets A
Bus Driver swaps himself with A
what happens
[4/27/15, 7:45:08 PM] Banshis: A is witched before BD swaps.

I have made my decision based on this conversation with host.

-vote M-FM Andorhal

[M-FM Lordaeron]

If you could compile questions in 1 post that would be helpful.

You owe me a pizza.

I just realized you said you bussed yourself with Sunstrider last night.


Important Clarification Required Please:

Bus Driver busses:
Himself with Player 1
Witch Targets Player 1 to Player 2
Do all Player 1, Player 2, and Bus Driver get bussed during that night phase?

If the witch selects a power role with a gun, for example an escort with a gun- would the witch use the role block, the gun, or both?

Can I post a transcript of my architect chat?
If the answer is yes I will although I remember there being a specific rule about not quoting night chats / host PM's..

Host. Come here. Confirm how the OoO works, and confirm the Witch changes the First target of the Bus Driver and that you have made no mistakes.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Can all flips be added to the first post or somewhere easily accessable?