M-FM XXVI The Frozen Throne Gamethread

[M-FM Northrend]

What if the "vig" meant to kill bronzebeard, but he was bussed with princess or plague?

That's very highly unlikely. Plague was a prime Vigi target.

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

Recap please. My best friend flew back home yesterday. You bet your ass I decided to tear down the house instead of go on my computer.

[M-FM Northrend]

Recap please. My best friend flew back home yesterday. You bet your ass I decided to tear down the house instead of go on my computer.

Give me a recap.

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

Give me a recap.

Found my iPhone in the refrigerator.

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

I was roleblocked last night

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

I'm seeing mention of a gambit. At the very least, give me a recap on this. I'll read everything else.

[M-FM Northrend]

I'm seeing mention of a gambit. At the very least, give me a recap on this. I'll read everything else.

The Hammer vote yesterday is in question.

The lurkers are in question.

Players withholding information Day 1 such as: Bussed, Roleblocked - were reasonable assumptions.

Day 2 people seem to be forthcoming with this information, at least partly.

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Did M-FM Invincible post at all yesterday? I'm under the impression it's a no but I might be wrong

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Jk they did post carry on

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

Limited player? Offended, but not wrong based on what I have done so far.

Anyways, I actually didn't miss that much.

-vote M-FM Anasterian Sunstrider

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

The Hammer vote yesterday is in question.

The lurkers are in question.

Players withholding information Day 1 such as: Bussed, Roleblocked - were reasonable assumptions.

Day 2 people seem to be forthcoming with this information, at least partly.

I'm guessing you mean Day 2 and Day 3.

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

actually not reading Sunstrider all that scummy after going through her post history (easy task)

elaborate more. I checked the posts where you guys voted her but nothing enlightening there

[M-FM Northrend]

Drum up conversation and witty banter. I want to hear reads on factions, roles, takes on claims and plays so far. Especially form the lurking crowd.

(That includes you two)

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

First off, fuck your bitch and the click you claim

And honest, I haven't been immersed or caught up enough to form any reasonable opinion. I'll offer my takes in time.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Did M-FM Invincible post at all yesterday? I'm under the impression it's a no but I might be wrong

Jk they did post carry on

Being voted, and posted this while under pressure?

[M-FM Tichondrius]

On the topic of roles, how can we assume both mafias have a godfather? Maybe orange has one but blue doesn't have one as a way to compensate.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Gave me vibe of scum or town who doesnt care if hes lynched.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

-vote M-FM Tichondrius

This is my today fos.

[M-FM Tichondrius]

-vote M-FM Tichondrius

This is my today fos.

Why am I your Fos?

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Why am I your Fos?

Why me = Fry me, one of the most famous mafia line.

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actually not reading Sunstrider all that scummy after going through her post history (easy task)

elaborate more. I checked the posts where you guys voted her but nothing enlightening there

I think it's more for me not doing much at all posting wise, though A I've been pretty busy and B I don't want to become high priority for night kills as I tend to do when I start trying

[M-FM Tichondrius]

Why me = Fry me, one of the most famous mafia line.

Well i'm not concerned I'm simply questioning your vote. Question everything, remember?

[Bug]

-vote M-FM Invincible

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If you are who I think you are, you hands down playing as you do as scum on this site

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

T

I would think so.

At day 3 start, posted 'T' as some kind of obvious fucking code.

Yeah we definetly have a killing role in town, it would be rediculous if we didn't.

Believes theres a killing role.

What if the "vig" meant to kill bronzebeard, but he was bussed with princess or plague?

Posted "vig" as he doesnt believe vig exist, then again he couldve meant mafia wouldve killed princess/plague.

That post is a scummy post. Why would vig try to kill me? Like Northrend said, Plague is a great vig target. He subconsciously wanted the vig to shoot me, which mean he dismissed me as scum. However, he haven't posted anything about me being scum or fosing me at all, and that is a scummy thing to do in my opinion.

And like I said in the recent post, Why me = Fry me.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

T

It's still a shame to lose an investigative role that bypasses detection immunity.

Would now be a good time to compile a list of 'confirmed' or 'thought to be confirmed' roles, regardless of alignment?

One more time:

-vote M-FM Anasterian Sunstrider

I would think so.

/Discuss

[M-FM Tichondrius]

At day 3 start, posted 'T' as some kind of obvious fucking code.



Believes theres a killing role.



Posted "vig" as he doesnt believe vig exist, then again he couldve meant mafia wouldve killed princess/plague.

That post is a scummy post. Why would vig try to kill me? Like Northrend said, Plague is a great vig target. He subconsciously wanted the vig to shoot me, which mean he dismissed me as scum. However, he haven't posted anything about me being scum or fosing me at all, and that is a scummy thing to do in my opinion.

And like I said in the recent post, Why me = Fry me.

Okay first of all, im posting all of this and this entire game from a broken ass ipod, second of all how is believeing in a killing role scummy? I meant to post something in response to something dalaran said but something fucked up so.

[M-FM Tichondrius]

Okay first of all, im posting all of this and this entire game from a broken ass ipod, second of all how is believeing in a killing role scummy? I meant to post something in response to something dalaran said but something fucked up so.

Scuse me not dalaran, i was going to question northrends vote.

[M-FM Frostmourne]

Nothing happened to me last night. Im not so sure about anasterian beeing scum considering that he seems to be new and he talked about revealing the rp names. of course it could just be a play but i don't think he would have encouraged people to break the rules if he was a veteran player.

-vote M-FM Invincible

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Penguin, I see you.

[Spider]

I can say that I am back, and currently have the tools to go back read up and review things.
So, I picked the person top of the list to start with, and will continue with as many as the Coffee will let me do.
Nothing Happened to me last night.


M-FM Quel'thalas
Posts: 14
Times posted:

Spoiler : Times Posted :

Day 1
None
Day 2
04:48 PM, 05:06 PM, 05:07 PM, 05:12 PM, 05:15 PM, 05:18 PM, 05:31 PM, 05:37 PM, 05:59 PM
03:22 PM, 03:23 PM, 03:24 PM, 03:26 PM, 03:29 PM
Day 3
None

Post Reviews

Spoiler : Posts :

LE playa is in le house

i have read and le people seem to be all le dickheads so in my le vote i shal go to my le ways

-vote M-FM Stratholme

Seems like a stupid post. Causes him to be accused of being vented. Places a Vote with no explanation.

Hey sorry im not vented im just messin, being serious and all i do think strat is scum due to the research i read upon by searching the thread, i think princess is vented to try and kill off a town as detective whereas i do believe plaugelands claim as footman and that he would be a valuable asset to are town complex.

Apparently, Not Vented.
Done some "Research" on "Strat" which he has decided not to show anyone.
Puts out some basic already said suggestions basically.

you believe i will be killed off tonight?

Does not know how forums work/ Being Dumb

me or mal'ganis

Still cant figure out how conversations go.

wait that was very stupid to ask of course ur talking about me
i assure you that i am not vented i can prove it tomos if u do no approve

and lorde, what ae you trying to get at

Apparently, Still not Vented.
Also, needs detailed explanations.

ohhhhhhhh im a stupid fucking shit, i thought he was talking about me
sorry for the confusion

First piece of convincing information.

i dont know what a double fakeout is?
and im not trolling i always talk like this and i only recently came back to the site
but if im coming of trolly thats just my talk/playstyle

Yeh... "I talk like this because I talk like this"

yo mal stop trying to pin me as scum just because i messed up cause im a stupid fuck

I'm not scum because I am Stupid.
News for you, Scum can also be stupid.

mal IM NOT FUCKING VENTED

Still, Not Vented. Recommend Ventilation installed to cool self down.

YO im back i want to hammer badly but dont know if it causes me to be scummy

"I WANNA DO IT"

i will hammer within the next 1 and a half hours

"STILL WANNA DO IT"

oh and my code is RIOP

Posts terrible looking CODE.

Host has to stop by to tell us role and such but the script stops chat and closes thread

Turns out he knows what happens at the end.

mal ganis

Apparently, Detective should follow Malganis. No reasons stated.

Or, he just shouted random name. Or non-random name?
This is the same person that accused him of scum yes? Grudge or what. Perhaps he is going to frame mal ganis.

Overview
-Not seen Day 1 or Day 3
-Expect to post around 3pm-6pm GMT
-Has not provided anything useful.
-Looks easily confused.
-Acts Childish

Likely Result: Bored Footman/ Stupid Scum

[M-FM Hearthglen]

-vote M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard

Because reasons.




Oh, and the feedback thing - if I ever get any, I'll tell you guys. So far I've had none.

[Spider]

You gotta love them reasons that are secret from everyone else.

[Spider]

Ok, Coffee Cake and Custard it is.

[Spider]

M-FM Lordaeron
Posts: 33
Times posted:

Spoiler : Times Posted :

Day 1
02:50 PM, 03:19 PM, 03:59 PM, 06:06 PM, 06:56 PM, 07:14 PM, 10:41 PM, 01:31 AM,
03:11 PM, 04:57 PM,

Day 2
04:31 PM, 04:35 PM, 04:39 PM, 05:11 PM, 05:14 PM, 05:17 PM, 05:20 PM, 06:10 PM, 06:27 PM, 06:32 PM, 10:02 PM, 02:49 AM
02:59 PM, 03:05 PM,

Day 3
02:49 AM, 02:55 AM, 03:09 AM,
03:47 PM, 03:58 PM, 04:01 PM, 04:13 PM, 04:18 PM, 04:20 PM

Post Reviews

Spoiler : Posts :

Spoiler : Day 1 :

I am a government and a nation
i win

First Post. Possible Mayor claim. Or Just Roleplay.

Who would say you won if there is no host? take that

Dream Killer. Loves Robbie Williams.

That quick?

Questions a "Serious Vote" based on how early it is.

10/10 makes me cry everytime reading and I am agreeing
Give wizard city Dalaran a chance.

Mal'ganis, do you have a better case?

During the "Faking from another Site Debate" he has feelings for Daralan.
But, he is also pushing for a better case, showing that he is promoting better cases. This is Good.

Mal'Ganis does not feel like town

Judging that Mal'Ganis is not town based on feelings. Either he has decided not to show why, or thinks that everyone feels the same way. Watch for future collisions.

I have you know Im a government so we touch a lot

As long as you don't punch the producer in the face, you will be fine.

Perfect example of everyone.

Agrees with my statement about not reading the setup until the game started. Saying that most people also do this.

But you are the last high elven king of the quel'thalan. He is both a mage and warrior, dat hacker

Roleplay

You two have completely taken the spotlight

Comments on the over-dramatic debates on day 1.

Like half the players are inactive.

True

Spoiler : Day 2 :

Hello everybody. How's your tasty grain bread today?

Lewly lolly lol, these claimz



Post 133 by M-FM Princess Calia Menethil :

Claims being a Detective that someone has visited the dead target, however the setup clearly mentions that Scum has the advantage of Framer, Mafia Bus Driver and a Witch with powers and no notification.



Post 136 by M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth :

Is this a slip of the usefulness of your role? Bad, you tipped the Scum.



Post 138 by M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard :

Nothing has happened to this person. Far better than the above "nothing" claim.



Post 172 by M-FM Northrend :

If that's actually your role (I don't see it as a claim) then good job, you tipped the Scum with a delicate subtlety.



Post 188 by M-FM Plaguelands :

He claims a Footman after being pressured and taken blame to by Calia.



Post 197 by M-FM Stratholme :

Claims of being attacked and healed.

I read the setup and there was a question of that someone being healed by Doctor being informed.
NO WAS THE ANSWER, I'll leave my vote here.

-vote M-FM Stratholme

So. He is Rolehunting. Pointing out everything so we are all on the same footing.
Highlighting a few night nothing/anything claims.
And pointing out the Doctor Heal no Feedback Mechanic, calling out the false claim and placing his first vote with good reason.

Unlike Plaguelands who could have been framed directly or indirectly, or that your own actions has become influenced in some way, Stratholme's slip is genuine and deserves a vote.

You do not claim being attacked and healed in a setup that does not have such a feedback.

Calls it a "Slip". Does not consider any other reason. Perhaps just too excited he found someone.

Town would not want unnecessary attention upon themselves if they were aware of the lacking feedback.

I agree. with this statement. But the result of the silly gambit was nice.

Vent slip? ^

Was on time to call a vent slip, even though the slip was wrong.

You're not Plague, yet you returned a reply as if you were Plague when it's intended for Plague.

Does not know how stupid the other guy is. Plague types differently.

Mal'Ganis asked something about Plague which you replied with dying, which I may tell you, is oddly appropriate question returned if you were Plague.
But you're not, sooooooooooooooo what.

Trying to explain to the guy who was not vented.

You might want to read my bullet post.
I quoted every claim up to that point, including the possible subtles, and I also found a genuine slip from Stratholme.

Summery of his previous post

I'd like to see some posts from M-FM Frostmourne, M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth and M-FM Sheep.

Wants people to not lurk. Sounds good to me.

Slayer's Gambit doesn't make sense unless in this situation, it's to target players who either are Doctor or those who properly reads the setup. Scum and Town are equally alike, and such a gambit is far more destructive and supportive. In addition, it's quite a stretch to have players see it immediately and be scummy, it might even take a full day to realize it if players were not sharp or aggressive enough.

Secondary, why does Town have to gain from all this?

Back to the Slayers Gambit. He is against what Slayer has done. And poses a Valid standing.

When I think about this, it makes more sense for Scum to get Doctors and sharper players to out themselves than for Town.

Wants Strat to be Scum. For good reason.

Red alert, Red alert! Double verification required!

Do doctors leave a feedback?

Host has questions unanswered/wrong initially.

So let me get this straight. Possibly four has claimed Footman, one claimed Detective, two crumbed PR, someone possibly crumbed Doctor, another crumbed Vigilante, and now someone claims a Sheriff.

What is wrong with this game? I think the whole town one way or another outed themselves, lol.

-vote M-FM Archimonde

Places his vote on the Sheriffs result.
This person is good at Rolehunting. Valuable thing.

On the top of the page, just below the pages but above the posts, there's a small menu to the right.
"View First Unread - Vote Count - Thread Tools - Search Thread- Display"

Simply click on Vote Count and you get this.


Friendly reminder, Archimonde is at L-1!

Helping a Noob.
Helpful Reminder.

Spoiler : Day 3 :

I find it quite funny that the Detective who screamed that someone were scum, both died and flipped town.
That's why you don't just randomly scream "Scum".

Moving on to the matters, Everyone, don't forget the role Witch.
Manipulate a target at night and force them to visit a second target, gives no feedback.

Summery of the death results and teaching a lesson
Friendly reminder of a Witch role, but not of any others.

Everyone's opinions are valuable. I'd like to hear more from Strat as well, and Mal'Ganis.

The gambit is still but a gambit, the whole scheme were Towny, but it still depended on certain player's ability to detect it. It did prove the "sheeping" part however which I want to prod on to those players more. Interesting point of view about the gambit VS Arthas and Sylvanas.

The hammer by Bronzebeard were quite disturbing, and I agree with the point found in the LW that this player has contradicted itself. I really hope the excuse isn't "Because we mountain kings has hammers!"

Strat he now views as Towny. (This a Change or his Initial view a mislead?)
Explains why the Gambit was useful. And wants to prod the Sheep.
Compliments a point of view on another gambit.
Did not like the Hammer.

Jailors can execute infinitely which encourages Trigger Happiness, but they can only jail during No Lynch (day killed).
A Vigilante has three charges and it's fun to shoot, so they would make more sense for the additional kill.

Reading more into the setup, there's :
Blacksmith who can give players guns, which means no kills the first night but the next one could have a trigger happy target.
Veteran who can alert at night, who seems to be able to do so infinitely. That's oh lord, so scary. Really scary.

I safely can say that out of all these roles, a Jailor cannot have done the kill.

Can't both scum teams do the kills though? "Hey, that one is Scum but not part of our team, it could be the other Scum!"

Points out that Vigilante is more likely than Jailor, (Add this with his Vig breadcrumb claim find earlier)
Points out that Jailor did not kill, but highlights other roles that might of.

Northrend and Mal'Ganis, What's your read on Quel'Thalas, Captain Luc Valentforth and Sheep?
If there's a Vent, do you believe that they will target the lurkers who has not said much?

Wants reads from people. The lurkers/sheep that he does not like.
Going on with the possibility of Vent. Since it has not been confirmed or denied.

Why isn't Quel'Thalas memorable?
What do you mean with awkward?


GOD DAMNIT


Bussed in what way?

Investigating peoples posts, wanting better explanations.

I double checked just to be sure, bus does give feedback.

He read the Setup again to confirm it.

Why did you "surprise lynch", Bronzebeard?

Wants answers for the Surprise Lynch

But that's the major point of pressure. You should at least give the town a moment to have their final say.

Valid point and I agree

But the town might have a final say!

Not too optimistic

Overview
-2pm to 6pm is where you can catch him
-Pops around other times, to post and watch.
-Rolehunter
-Good Contributions
-Intelligent

Likely Result: Towny Town.

[Spider]

Meh, Is anyone here? I'm bored.

[M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth]

Do one for me.

[Spider]

Do one for me.

Sure. But You are going to be scummy as fuck for asking one on yourself.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

You gotta love them reasons that are secret from everyone else.

His Majesty's posts:

April 19th, 2015, 10:56 AM

Because we mountaun kings has hammers!

and beep beep i was bussed

April 19th, 2015, 11:11 AM

Yes last night, I'm going to check if theres a drug dealer (didnt really fully read the set up)

April 19th, 2015, 11:13 AM

No drug dealer, but I did find chaueffer though. Could the mafia bus someone with dead player to prevent doctor?

It looks too me like he's trying to force fit a story to his gambit. Reads as noob Scum.

[Spider]

What story into which Gambit?

[M-FM Hearthglen]

What story into which Gambit?

I don't know what the aim is, but Kingipoo is claiming bussed- oh wait, forgot to see if there's a drug dealer, no, no drug dealer in this game, but there is a chauffeur, so King was bussed with a dead player to prevent (I guess he means block) doctor...


That's ridiculously complicated. It's even more ridiculous this early in the game. Right now there are enough players that Scum can work together to create Town mislynches while randomly or selectively NK-ing whomever at night.

They don't have to go through elaborate maneuvers this early in the game.

Anyone claiming innocence because they were part of an unnecessarily elaborate maneuver is probably lying and therefore probably Scum.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

This died down a lot

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

-vote M-FM Hearthglen

There's nothing complicated about someone claiming they were bussed but covering their bases to ensure no drug dealer. A bus driver also explains the result on Plague, if the bus driver was indeed scum. Chaffeur swaps with Plague and whoever submitted the kill.

Wham bam instant frame mam.

Oh and on a random note, thoughts on Kil jadeen and Dalaran?

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

-vote M-FM Hearthglen

There's nothing complicated about someone claiming they were bussed but covering their bases to ensure no drug dealer. A bus driver also explains the result on Plague, if the bus driver was indeed scum. Chaffeur swaps with Plague and whoever submitted the kill.

Wham bam instant frame mam.

Oh and on a random note, thoughts on Kil jadeen and Dalaran?

oh hi

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

-vote M-FM Mal'ganis

For speculating on roles.

I suspect that typing these names will get very annoying very quickly.

I agree that speculating roles can be scummy.

You thought that was a serious vote?

wut

So we have a player who has claimed detective with Plaguelands visiting the dead person. However, I'm slightly uncomfortable with how the wagon has been progressing, and with the claim itself.

I find it unhelpful to run up a wagon on Plaguelands while he is not here, and would like him to at least post a defence/claim/something else before we all rush to lynch him. Not doing so just deprives us of information on him and his wagon, which is not something we want.

Additionally, I find it odd how readily people have trusted Princess's claim, and how Princess herself went from saying Plaguelands was def. scum before saying there was a 90% chance of him being scum, before immediately saying he was def. scum again.

This could be a case of scum sending who they perceive as a weaker/expendable player to try and get rid of a person they thought would be unlikely to be lynched while costing us a mislynch/avoiding doc protection.

However, if we do proceed to believe Princess, and Plaguelands does flip scum, then I believe Northrend is worth taking a look at, with his defence and coaching of Plaguelands.

Just my two cents.

Summarizing what happened, then gave his opinion on it. Summarizing could be scummy, but his opinion seems towny.

Then why are you not voting him?

I'm quite suspicious of Mal's defense of astratholme.

-vote M-FM Stratholme

So far 3 of his very few posts are directed to Mal'Ganis. Potential relationships?

Well, I'm still suspicious of strat, and will be till he talks about his slip, but if we have a guilty,

-vote M-FM Archimonde

Another sheep vote

Well I think you're a scumbuddy to Strat, so we're even.

Fourth post directed at Malganis

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

That was totally directed at Hearthglen but your answers are fine at the moment.

Leave me a code please in case you're vented.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

-vote M-FM Hearthglen

There's nothing complicated about someone claiming they were bussed but covering their bases to ensure no drug dealer. A bus driver also explains the result on Plague, if the bus driver was indeed scum. Chaffeur swaps with Plague and whoever submitted the kill.

Wham bam instant frame mam.

Oh and on a random note, thoughts on Kil jadeen and Dalaran?

No idea which side of the fence Kil's on. I haven't really checked him out yet. Dalaran is leaning Town.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

And your vote sucks.

[M-FM Northrend]

Just checking in

[M-FM Northrend]

I think it'd be best if I refrained from letting you know my reads, but I'll reveal some information last night.

I was bussed last night.

This leads me to believe the bus driver is town OR the makeup of the mafia with a bus driver only has a jailor. Which leads me to believe either Bus Driver or

Framer
Kidnapper
Chauffeur

With regards to:

On the topic of roles, how can we assume both mafias have a godfather? Maybe orange has one but blue doesn't have one as a way to compensate.

Blue has to have a killing role in order to activate the other part of Blue's mechanics.