M-FM XXVI The Frozen Throne Gamethread

[Spider]

Counting is scummy?

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Counting is scummy?

If repetitive, it can be. It seems like hes just posting for town creds

[M-FM Northrend]

I'm here today, and I will like to enforce the idea that I am town
Yes, town!

The thing is, from what I understand, the 'invest' claim in architect chat with Dalaran has a lead on you that we're working on. If this is indeed a mislynch, there are ways to work around it.

[M-FM Northrend]

Unfortunately I will no longer be able to attend the rest of the day (less than 2 hours). At this point, you may as well role claim Bronzebeard and hope for a no lynch day in your situation. Based on non-active players, if you are indeed Mafia, the lynch shouldn't go through anyway.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Investigator? Did the result came up as Footman/Godfather/Acolyte/Forsaken/Banshee Queen? I find that hardly a lead at all.

Is this some kind of a reaction test??

[M-FM Dalaran]

The thing is, from what I understand, the 'invest' claim in architect chat with Dalaran has a lead on you that we're working on. If this is indeed a mislynch, there are ways to work around it.

This is not the case. I just scum read Brozen.

I kept posting the countdown because I was watching players come and go on the thread without any conversation or votes.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

I believe at this point we are forced to take this route:

I would like to lynch

-vote M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard

with a consequence of Town flip to allow for M-FM Sunseeker to shoot M-FM Hearthglen.

Are you nuts?

Did you not see my posts where I said I'd reveal info Day 5?

I'm Town and what I have might help. I'd really hate to have to reveal it right now.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Are you nuts?

Did you not see my posts where I said I'd reveal info Day 5?

I'm Town and what I have might help. I'd really hate to have to reveal it right now.

reveal it now because you know for sure im flipping town

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Are you nuts?

Did you not see my posts where I said I'd reveal info Day 5?

I'm Town and what I have might help. I'd really hate to have to reveal it right now.

The fact that youre voting me and is worried ill flip town is scummy right now

[Spider]

The fact that youre voting me and is worried ill flip town is scummy right now

He is worried he is gonna get shot dumbo

[M-FM Sheep]

North, if your results are from night feedback I would like you to remember they may be wrong, and if they are because of the day I'd like to have a conversation tomorrow. But the numbers are fair at the moment, so moving the game isn't a terrible idea.

-vote M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard

I'll push my issues tomorrow when you're around North.

[M-FM Dalaran]

For what its worth I do townread Mal and to a lesser extent Hearth. Although Mal's tunnel vision frustrates me so I avoid talking to him most of the time.

@Brozen If you are town and you know you will soon be confirmed town could you go into more depth on your reads?

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

He is worried he is gonna get shot dumbo

He is only getting shot if I flip town dumbo.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

He is worried he is gonna get shot dumbo

Yep.

If I'm gonna die young I'd rather draw the Scum NK.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Ugh. I wish we could just lynch Dalaran. I don't see Bronze as scum. Will hammer though.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

For what its worth I do townread Mal and to a lesser extent Hearth. Although Mal's tunnel vision frustrates me so I avoid talking to him most of the time.

@Brozen If you are town and you know you will soon be confirmed town could you go into more depth on your reads?

Will I actually be confirmed town if I just went into more depth on my reads?

[M-FM Hearthglen]

I have a Last Will if I die untimely.

But I'd rather last the Night.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

Ugh. I wish we could just lynch Dalaran. I don't see Bronze as scum. Will hammer though.

I hate to say this but either you or Dalaran is Scum. I'd rather see your flip.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Hearthglen, Dalaran, and Captain are scum.
Dalaran is one of those active scum player, and he is probably leading his mafia group right now.
Hearthglen keep claiming hes town, and he have nothing to contribute. He been tunneling on 1 person entire game, and have no other fos when his only fos is completely wrong. He said he have leads and does not want to reveal it when the person with the gun is going to shoot him when I flip town.
Captain is lurking hard and he havent been trying at all. Did you see the first 2 lynches? They played exactly like Captain and they turned out to be scum.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Will I actually be confirmed town if I just went into more depth on my reads?

...?
You say you are town. It is very likely you will be today's lynch. As that your role card would flip after you are lynched this would make you confirmed town. This allows you right now to say things about people and shortly after there would be zero question of a scum motive behind what you say.
Really you just sound more upset to be on the chopping block and looking to save your skin with no desire to help a town win con.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

how is mislynching helping town get their wincon?

[M-FM Hearthglen]

I can't get my head around why none of the Orange Legion are dead.

Are they that good at fitting in with Town?

[M-FM Sheep]

...?
You say you are town. It is very likely you will be today's lynch. As that your role card would flip after you are lynched this would make you confirmed town. This allows you right now to say things about people and shortly after there would be zero question of a scum motive behind what you say.
Really you just sound more upset to be on the chopping block and looking to save your skin with no desire to help a town win con.

That's really scummy dude. Everyone wants to go on living, and making a last minute case to self preserve is definitely in Town's best interest if the player is in fact Town.

-unvote

I'm not convinced, and after consideration I don't even agree with myself that a mislynch ever has a safe time to be done.

[M-FM Sheep]

-vote M-FM Dalaran

I haven't finished my read on him, but I have thought his contribution was just a degree off the whole time as I've said before. He matched Mal'Ganis as a snake in the grass.

[M-FM Lordaeron]

We have very little time. Sorry that I haven't been around, been busy.

Who here are currently townreading Dalaran?

[M-FM Hearthglen]

That's really scummy dude. Everyone wants to go on living, and making a last minute case to self preserve is definitely in Town's best interest if the player is in fact Town.

-unvote

I'm not convinced, and after consideration I don't even agree with myself that a mislynch ever has a safe time to be done.

It's not that scummy. It borders on filler/fluff.

It's true that the King should say something other than "Don't kill me!"

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

It's not that scummy. It borders on filler/fluff.

It's true that the King should say something other than "Don't kill me!"

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[M-FM Sheep]

We have very little time. Sorry that I haven't been around, been busy.

Who here are currently townreading Dalaran?

Aid a train you support Lordaeron, time is not our friend at the moment and posts should do best to include votes one way or the other.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

I never once said I was working on it. Similar to Mal'Ganis you make statements that appear one way but are not accurate representations of what was said, mostly directed at what you perceive as a simple lynch based on activity. In addition to poking the activity you suggested that my posts had only filled the role of apologizing for my absence. First of all, i've been absent, and the game deserves my apology regardless of what the posts hold. But beyond that..

Spoiler : "Read" of M-FM Sheep :

- Day 1 -
Trolly for day 1, but not even about activity. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...355#post476355
Repeat. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...356#post476356
This explains why I was not putting in effort. As much as Day 1 can be impactful, the simply reality of Sc2mafia.com's meta is that Day 1 is useless most of the time. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...357#post476357

- Day 2 -
I do explain my absence, but I also make a statement regarding how foolish it is to just lunge at role claiming as we managed up 2 on day 2. That's abysmal. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...945#post476945
I point out an FoS. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...976#post476976
Trolly. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...978#post476978
Trolly. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...980#post476980

- Day 3 -
I apologized again as I missed the majority of the day. The apology is deserved for all those involed including yourself. Beyond that I asked host to make the day start threads more easy to move through via links, I suspect he didn't see as it wasn't green. I also asked everyone to leave Last Wills, something too many people have already forgotten. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...693#post477693
I vote. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...694#post477694

- Day 4 -
No apology, but a reference to availability. I accuse Mal'Ganis and further comment on the need for Last Wills. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...932#post477932
Repeat my FoS. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...934#post477934
The large read I said I would do, in part at least. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...944#post477944
Basic comment explaining my views, once again on my FoS. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...966#post477966
Shit comment if I do say so myself. Clearly this guy is fucking scummy for wanting to care about his real life over a forum game, fuck him. https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...972#post477972

... I am aware of my lower than desired activity, and I will be so until that changes. However to suggest I have not offered thoughts on the goings on of the game as a whole or managed to aid in the lynches is in the same taste as is your value. Poor.

I said I would get to it. That time has just presented itself. Mother fucker I live with a lady that barely presents time to watch tv shows without her presence. You think I can find a way to explain why I need to sit on a computer for 288 hours to argue with anonymous internet people that have so little going on in their life that they want to fight over who can say they are busy or not? Holy shit man. Take yourself, your life, and this game less seriously.

Following the reveal from Tichondrius I will obviously be moving my vote, and I'll put it on you.

-vote M-FM Dalaran

Also what ever happened to this post?

[M-FM Dalaran]

Thats nonsense. A VT's main goal should be to contribute to day chat and draw evil night actions. Its a team game and your wincon that matters. Not your specific survival. This is why scum freeze up and focus only on their defense when they are going to be lynched while town try to defend themselves as well as do everything they can to push reads and contribute to their win con.

[M-FM Hearthglen]

We have very little time. Sorry that I haven't been around, been busy.

Who here are currently townreading Dalaran?

I'm kinda sorta townreading him.

I'm sure that he and Mal aren't on the same team.

Unfortunately there are 3 teams.

[M-FM Sheep]

It's not that scummy. It borders on filler/fluff.

It's true that the King should say something other than "Don't kill me!"

Your post is not wrong, however Dalaran's serves to want to punish someone for saying that mislynches are bad and wanting to continue playing. Both of which are scummy to attempt to strike against.

[Spider]

M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard vs M-FM Dalaran

[M-FM Sheep]

Also what ever happened to this post?

What?

[M-FM Sheep]

I'm off to eat, won't be back. Make the right decision guys.

[M-FM Dalaran]

If everyone is so torn on this we can not go wrong lynching Captain Luc. I think everyone in the game suspects he is scum even though its just a wifom question of "Does he not give a fuck or is he pretending to not give a fuck". May as well be an empty slot as far as the day chat.

[M-FM Dalaran]

I'm off to eat, won't be back. Make the right decision guys.

Nvm. Looks like we are loosing votes. We may not even have enough now for a lynch.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

@North, Give me this lynch please. *bats eyes*

@Heath, North just checked me. I'm town.

@Dalaran, I don't want to lynch Captain. There's no reason to.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Lets make this easy. I did say I would reveal some information with 1 more vote right?

I am Arthas. That alone should be enough to end this nonsense. And no I can not be converted with "Arthas- If Arthas gets hit by Ner'zhul specifically" and that guy dead.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

Lol, so we take your word for it that the missing kills early on did nor recruit you?

[M-FM Dalaran]

@Dalaran, I don't want to lynch Captain. There's no reason to.

A policy lynch is a thing. I honestly find his play style disrespectful to myself and the rest of the players.

And then there is the fact of a missing scum kill the night he was role blocked. So you are saying it is a scum tell if I am role blocked and there is not a kill but not if he is? You can not have it both ways.

I would rather see Brozen lynched than him but I would probably not vote on Mal in spite of his nonsense.

[M-FM Dalaran]

Lol, so we take your word for it that the missing kills early on did nor recruit you?

It would have to be exactly Ner'zhul hitting me which is a low chance. And with my claim that eliminates 4 of the 5 existing scum slots I could possibly be. If you take that alone its an extremely small chance I am scum.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

No. If you are scum, you still have your gun. Thus, no missing kill. Here unless you argue Loaderon is scum, then we know there is a missing kill.

Btw, if you were scum, what would your role be? Would it change?

We do not policy lynch content providers because obvscum does not like their playstyle.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

It would have to be exactly Ner'zhul hitting me which is a low chance. And with my claim that eliminates 4 of the 5 existing scum slots I could possibly be. If you take that alone its an extremely small chance I am scum.

Lols. Blue scum would obviously send Nerz early to kill in case he dies. They would not want to kill the traitor with the wrong guy.

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

Alright, with these new informations, I need a bit of time to organize my thoughts.

2 M-FM Quel’thalas - claimed footman randomly/lurked and trolled
3 M-FM Lordaeron - had a gun and shot town
4 M-FM Hearthglen - have informations he would like to reveal to town on day 5?
5 M-FM Stratholme - where is this guy????
6 M-FM Dalaran - claimed arthas
7 M-FM Northrend - Sheriff - inno on Mal'ganis
9 M-FM Andorhal -
11 M-FM Anasterian Sunstrider - claimed escort potentially consort?
13 M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard - claimed footman
16 M-FM Mal’ganis - sheriff's inno
18 M-FM Tichondrius - claimed blacksmith
19 M-FM Captain Luc Valonforth -
20 M-FM Sheep -

[M-FM King Magni Bronzebeard]

People should be looked more closely: Stratholme and Lordaeron

[M-FM Dalaran]

No. If you are scum, you still have your gun. Thus, no missing kill. Here unless you argue Loaderon is scum, then we know there is a missing kill.

Btw, if you were scum, what would your role be? Would it change?

We do not policy lynch content providers because obvscum does not like their playstyle.

You have the worst confirmation bias I have ever seen. No mater what I say you are going to stay fixated on this. This is exactly why I have kind of avoided talking to you today.

I think Brozen is scum. Reguardless of if you think I am scum or not consider the fact that he may be. Just try to open up your mind a little bit here.

[M-FM Mal'ganis]

I am open, to actual evidence. Hammer lols is evidence of [insert com here] not scum.

[M-FM Dalaran]

I am open, to actual evidence. Hammer lols is evidence of [insert com here] not scum.

I actually read his hammer as more of a town thing to do. It draws a lot of attention and although on this site everyone says that early hammer is a scummy thing to do I disagree. My case was based on his reads. I really do believe he posted a fake read list and dodged posting a real read. That he waited to see if the sheriff's peek was on him so he would not give interaction information away and that when he saw the lynch coming he drew up focusing only on defense.
That is why I have pushed on him today. When I started I even went out of my way to say "If you town read him you should speak up".

[M-FM Hearthglen]

Dalaran, since you're claiming Arthas, could you reveal your code please? (You did post one, didn't you?)