Day 4: The Puppetmaster

[FM Rumpel]

FYI. I don't think Sas is a survivor. He is probably the cabbage merchant but he is most likely lying about his real role.

what do you think his role is and why did he lied

[FM Northstar]

what do you think his role is and why did he lied

It doesn't really matter what role i think he is, since i still think that he is just a neutral benign. I just find it hard to believe that slaol would add a survivor on the neutral benign slot out of all other benigns he could have picked.

[FM Rumpel]

meh

-vote FM Auckmid

I want him to claim

[FM Auckmid]

I dont even need to say anythign anymore 4/7 votes on my train are common scum reads that merly sheep voted me, in a situation were scum can control the day chat without greater problems. Now I can reveal my last reason to shoot divemaster btw, it was, in the case he would flip vigilant a perfect opportunity to act as a lynchbait and see who would go on me with using it as sole reason. A perfect opportunity for scum to lynch another member that isnt in their team obviously.

Espacially Yapyap is pushing way to hard on me, again completly ignoring everything I said and forcing others to vote me. I also dont believe he was blackmailed yesterday, it was a perfect excuse for not going on Ganondorf and he mysteriously kept his 5 post requeriment with the help of the FAQ.
His charged claim matched with ganondorfs too, I dont think anymore the hosts would modkill Jack, if it would actually auto confirm Yapyap and porycon as town, since it would influence the game way to much. Also he used exactly that as his reasoning for not being scum.
To that he didnt contributed anything so far to the game, except framing town members, he was also for the raiden lynch and he accuses Gerik for looking to much town, while using the same strategy he uses with asking others about there reads, but not actually givng out own reads (last part only yapyap).

-vote FM Yapyap

(I´m normally holding back on votes, but I just hate it if someone votes me for a nonexistent reason, see divemaster.)

I know my own contribution is lacking, but I gave the reason for it on day 2 already, if you really want me to give you reads on ppl ask me about them, but a list would have to much uncertain elements, also I cant really differ between mafia and neutral, except they actually provide something that would exclude being the other.

[FM Auckmid]

meh

-vote FM Auckmid

I want him to claim

Nah as a member of town you certainly dont want that.

[FM Rumpel]

Nah as a member of town you certainly dont want that.

why do you townrread me because IMO i look scummy to most people

[FM Zack]

-vote FM Auckmid

I don't like the OMGUS without a claim. He reasoning seems like total BS to me... killing a Vigilante to make himself "lynchbait" does not seem like a smart, a very pro-town move.

I might be grasping at straws, but do you think the nurse might have gone back to the Vigilante last night? I mean, if the Nurse went to him night one but not night two -since he wouldn't know what he is until night two's kills came up- I could easily see him returning to the Vig last night. Despite the fact the Vigilante only seemed to be helping scum with his kills.

They are not both listed town roles, and tbh I had Zack initially pegged as vig for speculatin about the vig shots and even saying that Claw was someone only Philie FOS'ed. That seems town like to say only if Zack is Zuko because otherwise, he's Vig hunting and being blatantly anti-town.

With Zuko's death, Zack is looking worse. Anyone want to vouch for him?

You know I had thought I was making a mistake and was being too obvious. But apparently not...

[FM Zack]

-vote FM Auckmid

I don't like the OMGUS without a claim. He reasoning seems like total BS to me... killing a Vigilante to make himself "lynchbait" does not seem like a smart, a very pro-town move.

I might be grasping at straws, but do you think the nurse might have gone back to the Vigilante last night? I mean, if the Nurse went to him night one but not night two -since he wouldn't know what he is until night two's kills came up- I could easily see him returning to the Vig last night. Despite the fact the Vigilante only seemed to be helping scum with his kills.



You know I had thought I was making a mistake and was being too obvious. But apparently not...

What I'm getting at with the second part is, if the Nurse had indeed visited the Vig, that means the MM did. And a certain someone named Auckmid also visited the Vig, meaning they would have gotten attacked.

Could just be grasping at straws like I said earlier. Yet even so, I still have a scum read on this individual.

[FM Narks]

I'm keeping my vote off of Auckmid for now.

[FM Yayap]

I dont even need to say anythign anymore 4/7 votes on my train are common scum reads that merly sheep voted me, in a situation were scum can control the day chat without greater problems. Now I can reveal my last reason to shoot divemaster btw, it was, in the case he would flip vigilant a perfect opportunity to act as a lynchbait and see who would go on me with using it as sole reason. A perfect opportunity for scum to lynch another member that isnt in their team obviously.

Espacially Yapyap is pushing way to hard on me, again completly ignoring everything I said and forcing others to vote me. I also dont believe he was blackmailed yesterday, it was a perfect excuse for not going on Ganondorf and he mysteriously kept his 5 post requeriment with the help of the FAQ.
His charged claim matched with ganondorfs too, I dont think anymore the hosts would modkill Jack, if it would actually auto confirm Yapyap and porycon as town, since it would influence the game way to much. Also he used exactly that as his reasoning for not being scum.
To that he didnt contributed anything so far to the game, except framing town members, he was also for the raiden lynch and he accuses Gerik for looking to much town, while using the same strategy he uses with asking others about there reads, but not actually givng out own reads (last part only yapyap).

-vote FM Yapyap

(I´m normally holding back on votes, but I just hate it if someone votes me for a nonexistent reason, see divemaster.)

I know my own contribution is lacking, but I gave the reason for it on day 2 already, if you really want me to give you reads on ppl ask me about them, but a list would have to much uncertain elements, also I cant really differ between mafia and neutral, except they actually provide something that would exclude being the other.

Imo not a good enough reason. Divemaster was oozing pro town yesterday. FWIW, I was not for the Raiden lynch, so please get your facts straight.

[FM Yayap]

-vote FM Auckmid

I don't like the OMGUS without a claim. He reasoning seems like total BS to me... killing a Vigilante to make himself "lynchbait" does not seem like a smart, a very pro-town move.

I might be grasping at straws, but do you think the nurse might have gone back to the Vigilante last night? I mean, if the Nurse went to him night one but not night two -since he wouldn't know what he is until night two's kills came up- I could easily see him returning to the Vig last night. Despite the fact the Vigilante only seemed to be helping scum with his kills.



You know I had thought I was making a mistake and was being too obvious. But apparently not...

I don't like what you're implying here because imo you're soft ccing Gerik's role peg.

[FM Auckmid]

Imo not a good enough reason. Divemaster was oozing pro town yesterday. FWIW, I was not for the Raiden lynch, so please get your facts straight.

Yeah sry, I just skimmed over the most posts you were originally for narks, then raiden or noone to get someone lynched day 2 I guess thats ok. What does "oozing" and "FWIW" mean btw?

[FM Gerik]

I don't like what you're implying here because imo you're soft ccing Gerik's role peg.

I do not know if I like how often you are referencing my role.

I have kind of been expecting you to push something of a read on Auckmid.

[FM Gerik]

Yeah sry, I just skimmed over the most posts you were originally for narks, then raiden or noone to get someone lynched day 2 I guess thats ok. What does "oozing" and "FWIW" mean btw?

I do not believe he ever pushed on Raiden. He stayed pretty steady with narks through day 2 and last moment jumped over to the monster train.

[FM Yayap]

Yeah sry, I just skimmed over the most posts you were originally for narks, then raiden or noone to get someone lynched day 2 I guess thats ok. What does "oozing" and "FWIW" mean btw?

I was never for lynching Raiden, and I couldn't believe that people were trying to lynch someone so clearly town and blackmailed.

Oozing pro town = my way of saying Divemaster was 98% town in my book

FWIW = for what it's worth

[FM Auckmid]

I do not believe he ever pushed on Raiden. He stayed pretty steady with narks through day 2 and last moment jumped over to the monster train.

Yeah I´m so bad at this.
Thanks for explaining what you meant Yapyap, well still just because you thought dive was town doesnt mean everyone thought that. As long you dont have a better reason as that I´m still inclined to believe you are scum.

[FM monster]

Sorry for being absent for such a long time... and I don't think I will be avalible until Saturday. However, I can still be helpful to those last survivors and help with my vote. We might still have a slight chance to win... as long as there won't be any other modkills.

[FM Narks]

Sorry for being absent for such a long time... and I don't think I will be avalible until Saturday. However, I can still be helpful to those last survivors and help with my vote. We might still have a slight chance to win... as long as there won't be any other modkills.

Reads?

[FM philie]

Reads?

Sheep can't read. Don't be silly now.

[FM Narks]

Sheep can't read. Don't be silly now.

+1

[FM Narks]

S.A.S what is your opinion on the fact that you are not a survivor?

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

Just to make it more specific..

If a Survivor took no action (i.e. didn't vest up) and the only player visiting that Survivor is a Lookout, would the Lookout feedback say that the Survivor visited himself? Based on "no action = self-visit", as said here and elsewhere.

new post @Narks:

My opinion is that we will have this mistake resolved by the end of the day, either by solving a misunderstanding or fixing a feedback error.

[FM vornksr]

-vote FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha

roleclaim. now!
dont let him slip away that easily

@narks: first you said "sas was visited by no one else"
i assume you were saying that he did visit himself. explain
also why are you continuously dodging yayaps question about why you didnt call out ganon

for all who fos me: i was the one who lead the lynch on ganon. look at my big analysis
i'm currently trying to reduce contributions to a minimum. the minimum is only ensuring the right lynch goes through. like i tried d2. i wanted them to 'attack' me last night. but it didnt happen. i thought i had enough towncred but apparently not. take it as you will

@yayap: please post analysis on auckmid if you want. you're the one leading this lynch. you seem fairly active anyway, so might aswell do that

@zack: since you pretty much made it obvious you are (or claim) TPR, mind telling us you n1 target? this would help a lot. did you suspect anything?



and yes guys severn is scum. i did this blank vote to see who'd sheep. i dont like at all who jumped on the train, so i'm also inclined to believe he is neutral evil. probably mm given mm kills started right when he showed up. the chance of not hitting anyone 2 nights in a row is max 25%, probably less. possibly mafia knows more than we do and thus jumped quickly on the train to get him lynched for the towncred and because he's an enemy of them too. but how would they know mm? night immunity? no, no direct attacks. consig? dead. before? why investigate afks
anyhow i dont think severn should be lynched right now. most TPRs are dead, he has a good chance to hit scum. unless he visits a citizen but then he'd be dumb, ensuring the almost safe scum victory. it's obvious mm has to kill mafia if he wants a chance to win at all


here the quote from narks mentioned above

Okay I have received my feedback.

S.A.S was visited by no one else.

I would hate for the town to lose if we pulled through this.

I think that player has a very pointed mind and if he is town the scum probably blackmailed him in order to prevent the organized way he goes about things. The scum side of that would be 'he faked bm to get town cred' which is possible. I suppose it makes total sense to me that he and Ozzy would be BM targets.

Vornskr really looks like scum because of his lack of interaction. Northstar is hardly playing. Not too much you can say about an afk player other than its a really lame way to win if they are scum.

i already explained why i cant interact more




is there any possibility to bypass modkill for someone not posting in day chat (only in faq) at all for a whole day and who wasn't required to do so becasue of a blackmail

[FM Narks]

@narks: first you said "sas was visited by no one else"
i assume you were saying that he did visit himself. explain
also why are you continuously dodging yayaps question about why you didnt call out ganon

Lol I visited him.

And I'm pretty sure I did answer the question about ganon multiple times.

[FM Narks]

Lol the next death battle is Toph vs Garra.

[FM vornksr]

Lol I visited him.

And I'm pretty sure I did answer the question about ganon multiple times.

ok makes sense

link please? yayap certainly asked pretty often

[FM Narks]

ok makes sense

link please? yayap certainly asked pretty often

Huh, I thought I answered it.

I'll answer later, for I am busy atm.

[FM Gerik]

-vote FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha

roleclaim. now!
dont let him slip away that easily

@narks: first you said "sas was visited by no one else"
i assume you were saying that he did visit himself. explain
also why are you continuously dodging yayaps question about why you didnt call out ganon

for all who fos me: i was the one who lead the lynch on ganon. look at my big analysis
i'm currently trying to reduce contributions to a minimum. the minimum is only ensuring the right lynch goes through. like i tried d2. i wanted them to 'attack' me last night. but it didnt happen. i thought i had enough towncred but apparently not. take it as you will

@yayap: please post analysis on auckmid if you want. you're the one leading this lynch. you seem fairly active anyway, so might aswell do that

@zack: since you pretty much made it obvious you are (or claim) TPR, mind telling us you n1 target? this would help a lot. did you suspect anything?

and yes guys severn is scum.
i already explained why i cant interact more

I agree with a strong possibility of severn being neutral although your confidence that the player is scum is not something I share.

I believe I have already said that your push on Ganon is why I have not pushed on you. The fact that you only look like scum because of a lack if interaction is a moot point. I do not share your focus on alpha for the same reason I did not support the severn lynch. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on some of the current targets though. Auckmid and Spy are some of my favorites for today.

[FM philie]

Would just like to point out. That MM is no longer able to side with us. As Zuko is dead. And is now considered 100% Scum.

[FM Gerik]

Would just like to point out. That MM is no longer able to side with us. As Zuko is dead. And is now considered 100% Scum.

Win conditions aside he has every reason to work against the scum. He is still our enemy but a useful one for now.

[FM philie]

Win conditions aside he has every reason to work against the scum. He is still our enemy but a useful one for now.

What reasons does he have to work against the scum?

[FM vornksr]

philie, i think you misunderstood his win con. it's moot as fuck that zuko is dead for him. zuko's just not one of his targets.
he needs the whole town dead now, yes. but even if zuko was still alive, we could never win together, because if only zuko and mm are alive, mm wins, town not. mm is always our enemy of course
however mm also needs to wipe out 3/5 mafias. so he needs to wipe out both factions. this means he has to keep them in balance, so none becomes too strong, because then they'd win and not mm. currently mafia is much stronger, their win is almost guaranteed. so unless the mafia somehow sacrifice these 3 members on their own to let mm win (which would mean they lose), his only chance is indeed to kill some mafias on his own or they will simply lynch him or sabotage

[FM philie]

philie, i think you misunderstood his win con. it's moot as fuck that zuko is dead for him. zuko's just not one of his targets.
he needs the whole town dead now, yes. but even if zuko was still alive, we could never win together, because if only zuko and mm are alive, mm wins, town not. mm is always our enemy of course
however mm also needs to wipe out 3/5 mafias. so he needs to wipe out both factions. this means he has to keep them in balance, so none becomes too strong, because then they'd win and not mm. currently mafia is much stronger, their win is almost guaranteed. so unless the mafia somehow sacrifice these 3 members on their own to let mm win (which would mean they lose), his only chance is indeed to kill some mafias on his own or they will simply lynch him or sabotage

Ah yes. Sorry his win con is confusing XD

[Forum Mafia GM]

Just to make it more specific..

If a Survivor took no action (i.e. didn't vest up) and the only player visiting that Survivor is a Lookout, would the Lookout feedback say that the Survivor visited himself? Based on "no action = self-visit", as said here and elsewhere.

new post @Narks:

My opinion is that we will have this mistake resolved by the end of the day, either by solving a misunderstanding or fixing a feedback error.

Lookouts do not see self visits. They would get the "No one visited" feedback

[Forum Mafia GM]

-vote FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha

roleclaim. now!
dont let him slip away that easily

@narks: first you said "sas was visited by no one else"
i assume you were saying that he did visit himself. explain
also why are you continuously dodging yayaps question about why you didnt call out ganon

for all who fos me: i was the one who lead the lynch on ganon. look at my big analysis
i'm currently trying to reduce contributions to a minimum. the minimum is only ensuring the right lynch goes through. like i tried d2. i wanted them to 'attack' me last night. but it didnt happen. i thought i had enough towncred but apparently not. take it as you will

@yayap: please post analysis on auckmid if you want. you're the one leading this lynch. you seem fairly active anyway, so might aswell do that

@zack: since you pretty much made it obvious you are (or claim) TPR, mind telling us you n1 target? this would help a lot. did you suspect anything?



and yes guys severn is scum. i did this blank vote to see who'd sheep. i dont like at all who jumped on the train, so i'm also inclined to believe he is neutral evil. probably mm given mm kills started right when he showed up. the chance of not hitting anyone 2 nights in a row is max 25%, probably less. possibly mafia knows more than we do and thus jumped quickly on the train to get him lynched for the towncred and because he's an enemy of them too. but how would they know mm? night immunity? no, no direct attacks. consig? dead. before? why investigate afks
anyhow i dont think severn should be lynched right now. most TPRs are dead, he has a good chance to hit scum. unless he visits a citizen but then he'd be dumb, ensuring the almost safe scum victory. it's obvious mm has to kill mafia if he wants a chance to win at all


here the quote from narks mentioned above






i already explained why i cant interact more




is there any possibility to bypass modkill for someone not posting in day chat (only in faq) at all for a whole day and who wasn't required to do so becasue of a blackmail

5 posts must be made in day chat (posts elsewhere do not count) unless exempted due to a blackmail that prevents posting in day chat

[FM Auckmid]

I guess Yapyap was actually blackmailed then, my vote didnt count anyway forgot the fm probably or something, I still wonder why Monster lives then thought he never met the post requierement except day 2 and only hardly there.

[FM vornksr]

Lookouts do not see self visits. They would get the "No one visited" feedback

what now for real? you always said self visits appear on lookout/det

[FM vornksr]

i go to sleep now.

-vote FM Auckmid

no other choice, need to lynch

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

I'm alright with this.

-vote FM Auckmid

[FM vornksr]

i just wonder where all the people went...

[FM Severn]

alpha ignores any of the accusations against him because he knows he's not in the hot spot. lets make him a hotspot tomorrow.

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

alpha ignores any of the accusations against him because he knows he's not in the hot spot. lets make him a hotspot tomorrow.

Um, did you see the post that basically refuted Narks' claim? Or are you simply blind? I know I'm not in the hot spot 'cause I ain't lying.

[FM Severn]

Um, did you see the post that basically refuted Narks' claim? Or are you simply blind? I know I'm not in the hot spot 'cause I ain't lying.

didn't see it. apologies.

[FM Gerik]

i just wonder where all the people went...

I have been wondering the same thing. Games turning into a lurk fest.

Alpha really should not be our focus. Even if he had 2 cabbages.

[FM S.A.S.Cnl.Alpha]

I have been wondering the same thing. Games turning into a lurk fest.

Alpha really should not be our focus. Even if he had 2 cabbages.

If you believe Narks though, I don't have any. So dw

[FM Zack]

I don't like what you're implying here because imo you're soft ccing Gerik's role peg.

Either you have the total wrong idea about either me or Gerik, or Gerik is softing a role he simply cannot be.

@zack: since you pretty much made it obvious you are (or claim) TPR, mind telling us you n1 target? this would help a lot. did you suspect anything?

Oh, and help the scum?

Also, why only night one? We have night two and three, I wasn't role-blocked at all.

[FM philie]

I have been wondering the same thing. Games turning into a lurk fest.

Alpha really should not be our focus. Even if he had 2 cabbages.

I will be here for the next few hours. ^^ Ish.

[FM Auckmid]

Well, I´m going to sleep now, I have nothing to say anymore ppl arent even online anymore, but if I should survive, I would refrain from visiting me. And btw for those who still didnt got it Zack is the fucking avatar god ppl are srsl dumb lol, enjoy my lw.

[FM Rumpel]

Well, I´m going to sleep now, I have nothing to say anymore ppl arent even online anymore, but if I should survive, I would refrain from visiting me. And btw for those who still didnt got it Zack is the fucking avatar god ppl are srsl dumb lol, enjoy my lw.

lol you still didnt claim

[FM Rumpel]

ohwaitnvm