Escort vs Mafia ( 1v1 ) should be town win.

[MasterNinja]

i had a game where the outcome was 2 mafia. 1 judge, 1 jester and one SK, and i was Escort. it was only us left. in day 4-5 of the game. some townies left and some died from jester and then jailor failed etc. but yeah that was the outcome after some play time on a normal save.

judge does Court and lynches the other mafia by mistake. chat made it look like all said he was town.
then next day, i roleblocked the godfather and SK killed the jester.
after that i talked about who should win. outcome was Maf should win. so we lynch SK
then it was me as escort vs mafia (godfather that could be roleblocked)
(it might sound easy when i text it like that but having 2 mafia and 1 judge and 1 jester and one SK and me being the onliest town. maybe it sounds different when u read that sentence)

he would not be able to kill me or lynch me, and after 3 or 4 days is it? that town auto wins of no one gets killed / lynched.



whyy world. whyyyyyyy. after all that effort lol. it was actually a normal save with 3 neutral and sk + mafia.

[AlEx]

https://sc2mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Mechanics#One_Versus_One

[Mentar]

he would not be able to kill me or lynch me, and after 3 or 4 days is it? that town auto wins of no one gets killed / lynched.

Also that's not how that works either.

On the 3rd day of 0 deaths a special series of votes will take place. An absolute majority is not needed to vote so someone will be lynched simply for having the most votes, even if it's not the 50%+1 normally needed to lynch. If the votes are tied between 2 people then there will be 1 vote after another continuously until someone changes their vote (or misses one of the the votes) and a lynch victim is chosen or the day times out and ends (you cant skip this day).

If the 3rd day ends with no lynching then the game ends.
The victor is decided according to the standard tye breaker rules.

Arson
MM
SK
Triad - unless town has a citizen
Mafia - unless town has a citizen
Cult
Town

Too often when theres a 2v2 stalemate the townies go "haha, in 2 more days the game ends and we win" ... you really don't. A tye breaker is the LAST thing you want as a townie since town loses almost all tyes.

[MasterNinja]

what i and you both said

If the 3rd day ends with no lynching then the game ends.

yeah, it has a ballott vote or whatever its called and usually it just stays with 2-2 votes. been there before. it lasted until one guy forgot to vote and one team won

should make exceptions for certain roles. if i was vigi or jailor i would won. or veteran maybe if he attacked me. se what i mean. escort should won just like better roles would.

escort in general is a better role than vigi.

but all this shows having a decent role would make u win this and since i did not have that i lost since the day started with 1v1.

so in general that ending is really much based on luck. wich is one of the main things this game should not have. things based on luck. compared to those who does a good effort.

[Mentar]

Town start with a huge numbers advantage. consequencely they get the disadvantage when it comes to low numbers. If you let the game get down to 1v1 then you've been outplayed and you lose, there's nothing random about it.

Adding all kinds of exceptions so that the game doesnt end if its 1v1 with an escort or a jailor will just result in tons more 3rd day tye breakers, which town will always lose anyway because town lose all tyes.

what i and you both said

What you said: "and after 3 or 4 days is it? that town auto wins ".
What i said: after 3 days it follows standard tye breaker rules, which town almost always lose
Almost exact opposites.

[Cryptonic]

It's not role vs role that determines tie breakers, it's the faction itself. The only singular role which has an effect on a tie breaker is Citizen. If single roles started winning over entire factions, then the game could be broken by players making a specific save to include more of the roles, or even from a random generated save.

[MasterNinja]

i didnt say it was role vs role.

but after the 3rd guy dies and its 1v1 but there is 1 night first since someone died.

if i was vigilante i would won, if i was veteran i would most likely won if he attacked. and so on. if i was witch to make him hit himself, i would won.
thats what i was saying. better roles would made me win in that situation.

and stop being such a tryhard about the 3 day info. town auto wins yeah if no lynch or kill. and what does my topic say, Escort vs mafia
= he cant attack me as he cant lynch me. aka 3 days and autowin.

so please. stop being so funny.

so that i was not veteran or witch or vigi right there was Lucky for him cause that made him win. and same the other way. but i guess no one cares really.

[AlEx]

You make no sense. It does not matter what you /could/ have been. If you end up with a guy in a 1v1, the game automatically decides who won. Not you.

[McKinley]

I don't understand the argument here. Is there even an argument?

Town doesn't auto-win after 3 days of no killing. Town will only win if three days go without killing and somehow no one is put up to be lynched on that 3rd day when it forces it, and they have the -majority-. There is no other way for this "auto-win". The game ends, and it goes off the tie-breaker win conditions.

Perhaps if you properly constructed your sentences with correct grammar and punctuation usage, we'd might better understand your point. So far no one understands it, since town -never- wins in any situation that the numbers are tied, or if no killing occurs in the game and they lack majority. The moment town loses the majority, they will never win a tie or a forced game ending, nor should specific roles ever force a different ending in a 1v1. A 1v1 is a 1v1, a tie. Game uses tie-breaker conditions to establish victory based on which FACTION your role belongs to. It doesn't matter if you are vigi, jailor, or veteran. Soon as a 1v1 hits, tie-breaker conditions occurs.

[MasterNinja]

average 90 IQ would understand this

what dont you understand of that escort vs mafioso or godfather cant cant be roleblocked = no lynch or no kill for unlimited amount of time? 1 vs 1***** ( i know they win in 1v1 after the night when 3rd person gets lynched, so no need to bring up irelevant things that i never asked for)

and second off, it was 3 people, 1 gets lynched, then its 1 night left before the game comes to a conclusion of 1v1.

if i was witch or vigi or veteran in that night i would simply won. but since i was not, he won. so its based a bit on luck. if you ask me.

might just be butthurt that im last town alive vs SK, 2 maf, 1 judge, 1 jester. and literally i could simply left game right there since i cant win 1v1 annyway. since i now know escort cant win anything 1v1. but if i was vigi or jailor or veteran or witch i would actually have a chance to win. but since i was not i had 0% chance of winning ever since my other town teammates died.

idk if its hard to understand or not.

[AlEx]

You have to be trolling, there is no way you are being serious.

[McKinley]

average 90 IQ would understand this

what dont you understand of that escort vs mafioso or godfather cant cant be roleblocked = no lynch or no kill for unlimited amount of time? 1 vs 1***** ( i know they win in 1v1 after the night when 3rd person gets lynched, so no need to bring up irelevant things that i never asked for)

and second off, it was 3 people, 1 gets lynched, then its 1 night left before the game comes to a conclusion of 1v1.

if i was witch or vigi or veteran in that night i would simply won. but since i was not, he won. so its based a bit on luck. if you ask me.

might just be butthurt that im last town alive vs SK, 2 maf, 1 judge, 1 jester. and literally i could simply left game right there since i cant win 1v1 annyway. since i now know escort cant win anything 1v1. but if i was vigi or jailor or veteran or witch i would actually have a chance to win. but since i was not i had 0% chance of winning ever since my other town teammates died.

idk if its hard to understand or not.

No one is understanding WHAT point you're trying to make besides the plainly obvious you -might- have -HAD- a chance to win in a game of -LUCK-. We can't tell if you are trolling, possibly challenged in the mental region, or simply having a conversation which was poorly constructed with an incorrect method of claiming what the ever loving grace of all that is sane and rational you're trying to claim.

This is mafia discussion. Not "I could have totally won in this match I was in if I wasn't the role that I was assigned." Because news flash, that's practically every scenario you end up losing.