Ferguson Opinion

[Orpz]

what is it?

also how the fuck do i create a poll

edit: fuck u mods make the choices "I agree with Grand Jury, I disagree with Grand Jury"

[Cryptonic]

Ps you need to select the option to make polls before you post

[Lysergic]

Option 3: eat mor chikin

I'm waiting to have a real opinion until I finish reading all the evidence presented to them, and there's way too much for me to read anytime soon. Doesn't help that the witness interviews have like... 30 pages of shooting the breeze before they get into recounting the actual event (fire your screenwriter, life).

[Ash]

What was the Jury's decision?

[Brendan]

There should have at least been a trial. Federal case will likely have different results. Body cams should be common place.

[Lysergic]

Even if there are no federal charges, the civil suit will be a slam dunk.

[Helz]

People should be allowed to beat up cops. Lets have a riot

[Slaol]

People should be allowed to beat up cops. Lets have a riot

I had a discussion with a progressive friend of mine the other day. He (white) was telling white people to stop condemning the riots, because we can't possibly understand the plight of the oppressed. I reminded him MLK disagreed with him and he stfu right quick.

That said, the riots are still a response. Do you have any support for your "should be allowed to beat up cops /s" statement?

[bwcPorscha]

I had a discussion with a progressive friend of mine the other day. He (white) was telling white people to stop condemning the riots, because we can't possibly understand the plight of the oppressed. I reminded him MLK disagreed with him and he stfu right quick.

That said, the riots are still a response. Do you have any support for your "should be allowed to beat up cops /s" statement?

I'm not sure what race you are, but you don't get to use MLK, an advocate of black rights (peaceful or not), as a way of expressing your opinion on riots. MLK can't disagree with what's happening. He was killed. By white people. Him putting on a suit and preaching peacefully didn't get him very far back then, and it wouldn't get him very far now.
Remember, riots and protesting are the very foundations of liberties that exist today. Women can vote, because of protests and riots, for example. Corrupt governments, like our own, and our corrupt justice system that isn't very good at dealing justice, needs to be scrutinized and examined thoroughly.
You do know that like 90% of the witnesses all claimed Brown had his hands up and never charged Wilson, right? Do you really believe the indictment was correct, when Wilson had no damage done to his body? And Wilson claimed Brown hit the right side of his face with his right hand-- And of course, when asked how this was possible, then proceeded to say he must have "closed my eyes," (But then of course, how would he know what hand Brown supposedly used to hit him?) Even though Wilson was obviously not injured in any way, shape, or form, from pictures and how he looked in the courtroom. Hell, even the shop-owners that Brown supposedly stole from said that they never saw Brown that night. And if he even had cigarellos on him, then why weren't they a part of the evidence? There were none. There were none! Brown never HAD cigarellos on him, and the store owners never even saw him that night, how could he have stolen an item he didn't have from a store who never saw him?
Wilson never even filed an incident report after he shot Brown, which is against St. Louis law. He broke the law by not filing a report, to cover up that he killed an innocent man with no good reason. If Wilson had a clear conscious, he would have filed a damn report.
Wilson has flip flopped his story many times, from saying he got hit twice initially, to saying he got hit 10 times while under oath in court. The cross examiner did not point this out, and the cross examinator did not try to indict him. Various extremely accredited lawyers have come out saying that the prosecutor in this situation 99% of the time wins his case, and that the cross examination was a complete fluke. The prosecutor pointed out literally no flaws, he did not want Darren Wilson indicted. Keep in mind that the prosecutor is somebody who got a black cop indicted just week previous for NOT killing an innocent man. You can read about that here, if you so wish: https://www.dailydot.com/politics/fer...r-using-baton/

If you really think any of what happened in that court room WAS NOT planned out from the get go, I'm not really sure how you could explain it. Besides, 9/12 jurors were white, a convenient MAJORITY of the jury. It was all a set up, and it is heavily under scrutiny from the BAR association, who acknowledges that there is no damn way the prosecutor did his job correctly and fairly.

While yes, you can say the "not all cops are racist fucks" line, and it is certainly true, obviously not every damn cop out there is racist and power drunk, some obviously are. See the Stanford Prisoner Experiment: https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html Especially if you are not already familiar with it. Take note of the guards who are given power over prisoners, and why the experiment had to end early.

Not all cops may be bad, but when police brutality and racism are in question right now, the people have every right to be angry, and angry at those who killed an innocent black man out of what can only be assumed racism, since no other evidence suggests Wilson was truly in danger. Even if he felt threatened, shooting somebody without intent to kill is very easy and simple to do, and if he can't handle that responsibility under pressure, then Wilson should have never been a certified law enforcement officer.

The people are angry, Slaol, and they have every right to be. Future advice, don't use a dead person as a way to try and say that protests are unnecessary. It's come to my attention that those who try to silence the angry, aren't even very well informed. Remember, Slaol, the system isn't always there to protect it's people, but to indoctrinate. Question the man and the people who try to silence the validated.

[SuperJack]

Remember how white people rioted after OJ Simpson's acquittal?

Me neither.

[bwcPorscha]

I'm gonna be sad if nobody authorizes my reply from earlier today. I spent like a whole 5-10 minutes of my life writing that. lol

[Cryptonic]

I'm gonna be sad if nobody authorizes my reply from earlier today. I spent like a whole 5-10 minutes of my life writing that. lol

if you didn't post this, it might not have happened for forever lol

[SuperJack]

I Ignored it. It's something with the topic of racism. Which isn't needed and doesn't make things better. And why does it have to be racism? Black shoots black, no story. White shoots white, no story. Black shoots white, no story. But a White shoots black? Then for some reason. This isn't a call for protest. It's a call for riots and looting. Worst game of chess ever.

[Cryptonic]

I Ignored it. It's something with the topic of racism. Which isn't needed and doesn't make things better. And why does it have to be racism? Black shoots black, no story. White shoots white, no story. Black shoots white, no story. But a White shoots black? Then for some reason. This isn't a call for protest. It's a call for riots and looting. Worst game of chess ever.

It's a thread about OPINIONS. Calm ur power boner

[Cryptonic]

It's a thread about OPINIONS. Calm ur power boner

Wait I might have misread
Did you disapprove his posT. Cause that's what I took from that comment lol

[SuperJack]

I gave you my opinion. People should shut up about it. Or loot me a TV.

My Opinion was: -Don't make it about racism and -There is no need for riots.

[deathworlds]

I always wanted to join a riot...

Too bad no one rioted near where I lived.

[Cryptonic]

I gave you my opinion. People should shut up about it. Or loot me a TV.

My Opinion was: -Don't make it about racism and -There is no need for riots.

Lmao okay I did misread then lol my bad

[Slaol]

I'm not sure what race you are, but you don't get to use MLK, an advocate of black rights (peaceful or not), as a way of expressing your opinion on riots. MLK can't disagree with what's happening. He was killed. By white people. Him putting on a suit and preaching peacefully didn't get him very far back then, and it wouldn't get him very far now.
Remember, riots and protesting are the very foundations of liberties that exist today. Women can vote, because of protests and riots, for example. Corrupt governments, like our own, and our corrupt justice system that isn't very good at dealing justice, needs to be scrutinized and examined thoroughly.
You do know that like 90% of the witnesses all claimed Brown had his hands up and never charged Wilson, right? Do you really believe the indictment was correct, when Wilson had no damage done to his body? And Wilson claimed Brown hit the right side of his face with his right hand-- And of course, when asked how this was possible, then proceeded to say he must have "closed my eyes," (But then of course, how would he know what hand Brown supposedly used to hit him?) Even though Wilson was obviously not injured in any way, shape, or form, from pictures and how he looked in the courtroom. Hell, even the shop-owners that Brown supposedly stole from said that they never saw Brown that night. And if he even had cigarellos on him, then why weren't they a part of the evidence? There were none. There were none! Brown never HAD cigarellos on him, and the store owners never even saw him that night, how could he have stolen an item he didn't have from a store who never saw him?
Wilson never even filed an incident report after he shot Brown, which is against St. Louis law. He broke the law by not filing a report, to cover up that he killed an innocent man with no good reason. If Wilson had a clear conscious, he would have filed a damn report.
Wilson has flip flopped his story many times, from saying he got hit twice initially, to saying he got hit 10 times while under oath in court. The cross examiner did not point this out, and the cross examinator did not try to indict him. Various extremely accredited lawyers have come out saying that the prosecutor in this situation 99% of the time wins his case, and that the cross examination was a complete fluke. The prosecutor pointed out literally no flaws, he did not want Darren Wilson indicted. Keep in mind that the prosecutor is somebody who got a black cop indicted just week previous for NOT killing an innocent man. You can read about that here, if you so wish: https://www.dailydot.com/politics/fer...r-using-baton/

If you really think any of what happened in that court room WAS NOT planned out from the get go, I'm not really sure how you could explain it. Besides, 9/12 jurors were white, a convenient MAJORITY of the jury. It was all a set up, and it is heavily under scrutiny from the BAR association, who acknowledges that there is no damn way the prosecutor did his job correctly and fairly.

While yes, you can say the "not all cops are racist fucks" line, and it is certainly true, obviously not every damn cop out there is racist and power drunk, some obviously are. See the Stanford Prisoner Experiment: https://www.simplypsychology.org/zimbardo.html Especially if you are not already familiar with it. Take note of the guards who are given power over prisoners, and why the experiment had to end early.

Not all cops may be bad, but when police brutality and racism are in question right now, the people have every right to be angry, and angry at those who killed an innocent black man out of what can only be assumed racism, since no other evidence suggests Wilson was truly in danger. Even if he felt threatened, shooting somebody without intent to kill is very easy and simple to do, and if he can't handle that responsibility under pressure, then Wilson should have never been a certified law enforcement officer.

The people are angry, Slaol, and they have every right to be. Future advice, don't use a dead person as a way to try and say that protests are unnecessary. It's come to my attention that those who try to silence the angry, aren't even very well informed. Remember, Slaol, the system isn't always there to protect it's people, but to indoctrinate. Question the man and the people who try to silence the validated.

MLK directly said riots only fail, and their participants willingly accept defeat by taking part.

You've jumped to a claim that I have told the angry to be silent, which I have not. I never told anyone to be quiet on this issue. The person with whom I was debating on the other hand told anyone that wasn't directly effected, as well as anyone that was white, to shut their mouth. Somehow on a topic of racial equality the best course of action was to determine a person's value by the color of their skin.

I'm not sure what race you are

and clearly your mind is entirely skin oriented too.

Hell, even the shop-owners that Brown supposedly stole from said that they never saw Brown that night. And if he even had cigarellos on him, then why weren't they a part of the evidence? There were none. There were none! Brown never HAD cigarellos on him, and the store owners never even saw him that night, how could he have stolen an item he didn't have from a store who never saw him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maA1FUJqhew

[bwcPorscha]

if you didn't post this, it might not have happened for forever lol

Huh... I see... well thanks anyway lol

[bwcPorscha]

MLK directly said riots only fail, and their participants willingly accept defeat by taking part.

You've jumped to a claim that I have told the angry to be silent, which I have not. I never told anyone to be quiet on this issue. The person with whom I was debating on the other hand told anyone that wasn't directly effected, as well as anyone that was white, to shut their mouth. Somehow on a topic of racial equality the best course of action was to determine a person's value by the color of their skin.


and clearly your mind is entirely skin oriented too.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maA1FUJqhew

Well to be honest, it is a racial issue, and people with privilege (because of their skin color) hilariously tend to believe they should have the right to tell the oppressed (because of their skin color) how they should feel and act.
And regardless if MLK said riots fail, it's been proven very clear by historical events that, in fact, riots do not always fail.
And as it has been said, and this is generalized from memory because I can't find the actual quote atm, "Trying to use peace as a form of change only works when your antagonist is just and also peaceful -- America is not." Whites are privileged, and I think your friend is correct in saying that people who have privilege because of their skin color can't empathize with those who have been oppressed because of their skin color. Sympathy can be given, of course-- and it should, since the whites are the biggest oppressors of black history -- and since other people who are white can see those who are not white as inferior and beneath them, they of course will not listen, and it is white sympathizers' duties to help promote awareness, equality, and justice for those who are less privileged. If the oppressor does not listen to the oppressed (and why would they? nobody wants to admit they were born into such a power, nobody wants to acknowledge such a power exists half the time, and nobody wants to give that power up,) then it is up to those who also share power to help the ones without power.

I'm not sure what this means, since this is not only a police brutality issue, but also a race issue. Of course skin matters. The whole point is that hopefully it won't have to matter in the future.

Then, conflicting evidence-- in either scenario, he was innocent. But unfortunately there were no cigarellos provided as evidence, so I'm not sure where they could have went, should he have had them on his person. Still no reason for Wilson to take any action.

[SuperJack]

Because looting TV's solves the problem. Definitely makes things look great and because they now have TV's. The Cop must be guilty.


It's only a racial issue because people want it to be a racial issue. There is no need for it to of been treated as racial. A Cop shot someone. But the only reason anything started was because the Cop was white, and the dead person was black. Any other colour combination would not matter.

America should just hit themselves in the face, and get over colours. Also start spelling colour correctly.

[Slaol]

Well to be honest, it is a racial issue, and people with privilege (because of their skin color) hilariously tend to believe they should have the right to tell the oppressed (because of their skin color) how they should feel and act.
And regardless if MLK said riots fail, it's been proven very clear by historical events that, in fact, riots do not always fail.
And as it has been said, and this is generalized from memory because I can't find the actual quote atm, "Trying to use peace as a form of change only works when your antagonist is just and also peaceful -- America is not." Whites are privileged, and I think your friend is correct in saying that people who have privilege because of their skin color can't empathize with those who have been oppressed because of their skin color. Sympathy can be given, of course-- and it should, since the whites are the biggest oppressors of black history -- and since other people who are white can see those who are not white as inferior and beneath them, they of course will not listen, and it is white sympathizers' duties to help promote awareness, equality, and justice for those who are less privileged. If the oppressor does not listen to the oppressed (and why would they? nobody wants to admit they were born into such a power, nobody wants to acknowledge such a power exists half the time, and nobody wants to give that power up,) then it is up to those who also share power to help the ones without power.

I'm not sure what this means, since this is not only a police brutality issue, but also a race issue. Of course skin matters. The whole point is that hopefully it won't have to matter in the future.

Then, conflicting evidence-- in either scenario, he was innocent. But unfortunately there were no cigarellos provided as evidence, so I'm not sure where they could have went, should he have had them on his person. Still no reason for Wilson to take any action.

Seeing as progress does occur in America without the use of legitimate rebellions, anyone that expects them to be the only medium for the progress is an extremist fool. For example, gay marriage is progressing rapidly recent. America progresses, and whether or not it is at the rate some would like, it's fairly quick seeing how many also adamantly live their lives against the progress.

I too told my friend that progress would fall on the back of white America, which is infinitely more true than any subtext of this debate, and again reminded him of MLKs agreement. You bwcPorscha can write off one of the most influential people in the history of the equality March again if you so choose, but I'd too again consider you an extremist fool.

[Orpz]

Class privilege is the only real privilege.

[bwcPorscha]

Seeing as progress does occur in America without the use of legitimate rebellions, anyone that expects them to be the only medium for the progress is an extremist fool. For example, gay marriage is progressing rapidly recent. America progresses, and whether or not it is at the rate some would like, it's fairly quick seeing how many also adamantly live their lives against the progress.

I too told my friend that progress would fall on the back of white America, which is infinitely more true than any subtext of this debate, and again reminded him of MLKs agreement. You bwcPorscha can write off one of the most influential people in the history of the equality March again if you so choose, but I'd too again consider you an extremist fool.

I am an extremist fool compared to some people, you're right.

[Slaol]

I am an extremist fool compared to some people, you're right.

Glad we've simmered down. For your information I am a white male left leaning moderate who believes in basically absolute equality.

I believe in equality to such a point that I willingly told a vegan (on the first date) that slaughterhouses were a good thing technically, as they aided in a food industry that by turning animals into a resource as they have has caused the near guarantee that the species will continue on living. As well, eating basically anything causes the death or utilization of some form of life. Eat an apple? That could have been a tree you asshole. Murder.

Anyway. More on topic, to my knowledge of the information I do not believe I agree with the jury, but I do not think I know the evidence well enough yet to make a decision.

[SuperJack]

I'm In England. And Don't give a crap.

[twistedvip]

I actually do agree with the Grand Jury's decision. It then frustrates me on the fact that people there think that causing a riot to destroy the city will prove any kind of point. On the other hand, I still believe that police have been giving too much power. The second shooting that occurred in New York (correct me if I'm wrong), I do disagree with the Grand Jury's decision.

[Helz]

I had a discussion with a progressive friend of mine the other day. He (white) was telling white people to stop condemning the riots, because we can't possibly understand the plight of the oppressed. I reminded him MLK disagreed with him and he stfu right quick.

That said, the riots are still a response. Do you have any support for your "should be allowed to beat up cops /s" statement?

Sure. It was sarcasm.
That grand jury determined that the case did not stand a snowballs chance in hell which is true.
Michael Brown was an 18 year old man; not a child.
Michael Brown physically attacked a cop after robbing a store
A bunch of idiots lit innocent businesses and peoples cars on fire

Dont get me wrong. I would love to partake in a riot and throw beer bottles at cops. But I really think the dedicated protesters are more against the state of the government than this particular case. Abbie Hoffman would be rolling in his grave to see this nonsense.

[Helz]

Racism is largely dead in America. Cultural discrimination is what we call racism for the most part. An anti black bigot will look down on a white guy with a gold chain listening to rap music in his 2k car with a 4k sound system the same as he would a black guy. At the end of the day economic inequality is the root of most evil in my opinion. Its the haves vs the have-nots. Not the whites vs the blacks. I really do not see a place for a racist argument in this case. That cop would have shot a white guy who beat him in his car and allegedly 'tried to take his gun' the same as he did this black guy. Theres plenty more injust situations all over the place that go largely overlooked.

Read up on Robert Leone. The guy was beaten unconscious for not pulling over in a timely manner, Then beaten again when he got to the police station, Beaten a 3rd time when asking for help in the police station, Taken to a hospital for his injury and beaten one more time there for trying to cry for help to a nurse. After that he ended up doing jail time on a bullshit charge and the police cleared themselves of any wrong doing.
Too bad he was white so nobody gave a shit right? People are just ignorant and jump on the race card for their soap box. Its not about justice so much as what light they can shine on an issue.

[Brendan]

Racism is largely dead in America. Cultural discrimination is what we call racism for the most part. An anti black bigot will look down on a white guy with a gold chain listening to rap music in his 2k car with a 4k sound system the same as he would a black guy. At the end of the day economic inequality is the root of most evil in my opinion. Its the haves vs the have-nots. Not the whites vs the blacks. I really do not see a place for a racist argument in this case. That cop would have shot a white guy who beat him in his car and allegedly 'tried to take his gun' the same as he did this black guy. Theres plenty more injust situations all over the place that go largely overlooked.

Read up on Robert Leone. The guy was beaten unconscious for not pulling over in a timely manner, Then beaten again when he got to the police station, Beaten a 3rd time when asking for help in the police station, Taken to a hospital for his injury and beaten one more time there for trying to cry for help to a nurse. After that he ended up doing jail time on a bullshit charge and the police cleared themselves of any wrong doing.
Too bad he was white so nobody gave a shit right? People are just ignorant and jump on the race card for their soap box. Its not about justice so much as what light they can shine on an issue.

"Racism is largely dead in America"
you're retarded

[Helz]

"Racism is largely dead in America"
you're retarded

Agree to disagree. My point is

Cultural discrimination is what we call racism for the most part.

Keep that statement in context : )

[Cryptonic]

"Racism is largely dead in America"
you're retarded

And that was said by a white texan lol

[Brendan]

And that was said by a white texan lol

I'm a white Texan too. People like this give Texans a bad name. White people try and replace the word racism with words like "cultural descrimination" it's the same fucking thing.

[Helz]

I'm a white Texan too. People like this give Texans a bad name. White people try and replace the word racism with words like "cultural descrimination" it's the same fucking thing.

The obvious difference is that racial ethnicity (groups of people who have differences and similarities in biological traits deemed by society to be socially significant) is not the same as cultural lifestyle (the way a person lives or a group of people live as influenced by the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively)

But if we are just going to pretend to be stupid for the sake of argument- Racism is for ignorant hillbilly's on meth. Cultural bias is something everyone has to some extent. Its most easily seen in your taste of music. I believe that music is a strong reflection of culture and that if you look at a person and identify the music they 'hate' you can see the cultures they also despise. There is a huge difference between some guy rocking a Confederate war flag while he burns a cross and talks about a master race and someone choosing to take on a business partner who has a common lifestyle they can associate with as opposed to a lifestyle they do not understand. My comment was specific to this tone of conversation about privileged white people telling oppressed black people how they should feel and act.

This kind of isolating one comment out of context is why its near impossible to have an adult conversation about racial issues. There is always that one guy. ^

[Ash]

ehh thinklivelife has a point, but however there are some cops that do racial profiling, i think thats pretty racist itself

[Slaol]

The obvious difference is that racial ethnicity (groups of people who have differences and similarities in biological traits deemed by society to be socially significant) is not the same as cultural lifestyle (the way a person lives or a group of people live as influenced by the arts and other manifestations of human intellectual achievement regarded collectively)

But if we are just going to pretend to be stupid for the sake of argument- Racism is for ignorant hillbilly's on meth. Cultural bias is something everyone has to some extent. Its most easily seen in your taste of music. I believe that music is a strong reflection of culture and that if you look at a person and identify the music they 'hate' you can see the cultures they also despise. There is a huge difference between some guy rocking a Confederate war flag while he burns a cross and talks about a master race and someone choosing to take on a business partner who has a common lifestyle they can associate with as opposed to a lifestyle they do not understand. My comment was specific to this tone of conversation about privileged white people telling oppressed black people how they should feel and act.

This kind of isolating one comment out of context is why its near impossible to have an adult conversation about racial issues. There is always that one guy. ^

I hate screamo, many metals, and whiz khalifa

[Brendan]

I don't hate any music. Tell me about my culture pls

[Helz]

I don't hate any music. Tell me about my culture pls

Jeff snorted my magic 8 ball a long time ago.