S-FM 136: Sherlock Holmes

[Gyver]

No one is quite sure how some deranged mind managed to cover half the city with Nick's remains without being seen.


Graveyard:
1.Ika
2.Nick

Living Players:
1.Shadow42Shadow
2.Vantas
3.Slaol
4.LouisWill replaced Astrid
5.PowerofDeath
6.Oprz
7.Fatalis
8.Banshis
9.SpiritFryer
10.Citrus
11.Nopro

6 votes to hammer.

The day will end at https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=July+8th+9pm+est

[Citrus]

-vote Fatalis

[Fatalis]

-vote Fatalis

oh shit
solid reasoning here

[Orpz]

Only one death? Ika confirmed MM.

[Orpz]

-vote Citrus

I'll protect you Fatalis

[Orpz]

The MM did not target Vantas's house last night.

[Fatalis]

Only one death? Ika confirmed MM.

I assume you checked him?

Any detectives who found anyone visiting ika tell plz

[louiswill]

Hello peeple, I'm replaced in.

[louiswill]

MM was not my own house last night when I threw away all belongings of Astrid away.

[Fatalis]

I assume you checked him?

Any detectives who found anyone visiting ika tell plz

ohwait coroners doesn't reveal role
this is much harder than I thought

assuming nick is really doctor then I bet one of the 3 detective claims are MM

[Fatalis]

MM was not my own house last night when I threw away all belongings of Astrid away.

what does this even mean
also claim your role plz

[louiswill]

I suggest all amesiacs and kitizens claims.

It helps because there are only Mass Morons we need to dealt with.

Also it is obvious, if there are only 3 Amesiac claimer, no one will lynch amesiac unless there are clear evidence that at least one amnesiac become new mass murderer.

Therefore, as long as Tpr don't derp, we can pocket the victory by not lynch the first MM until we found the second MM.

Then easily, if no retards, we proceed two lynches in a row and everyone alive will become winner.




Wait....have I read setup yet...

[louiswill]

what does this even mean
also claim your role plz

It means whatever your bloody eye and brain will perceive: MM was not at my house.

[louiswill]

And Problem? Well: Can anyone stay at house?

[Fatalis]

It means whatever your bloody eye and brain will perceive: MM was not at my house.

and how do you know this?

[louiswill]

and how do you know this?

The problem should be this: How do you know I'm not lying?

[louiswill]

Suppose I'm honest and not a risk taker.
Then
I'm speaking something I knew.
Then you need to find out who I am and how would I know.

Suppose I'm Dishonest or a Risk taker,
Then
Either
I'm speaking something I did not know
or
I'm speaking something I knew but you don't know if I knew
But surely, if I'm scum, I have to say something that benefit me, correct?
Then
Find a way that this information would benefit me.
and
Find my role

So there is the Puzzle for today:
How do you take this problem?

[Fatalis]

The problem should be this: How do you know I'm not lying?

how do I know you are not lying that you are lying?

[Fatalis]

Suppose I'm honest and not a risk taker.
Then
I'm speaking something I knew.
Then you need to find out who I am and how would I know.

Suppose I'm Dishonest or a Risk taker,
Then
Either
I'm speaking something I did not know
or
I'm speaking something I knew but you don't know if I knew
But surely, if I'm scum, I have to say something that benefit me, correct?
Then
Find a way that this information would benefit me.
and
Find my role

So there is the Puzzle for today:
How do you take this problem?

how about we put you on L-2? role found

[louiswill]

how do I know you are not lying that you are lying?

That is your own problem, solve it yourself.

how about we put you on L-2? role found

That doesn't work. Lol. I need L-1 to claim this time.

If you like the hard way head to head voting contest then do it.

[Orpz]

Louis, the town strategy for this game is to mass claim since the MM's cannot directly choose who to kill. Therefore, you are just as safe claiming than not claiming. The claim will help make the puzzle clear.

[louiswill]

Louis, the town strategy for this game is to mass claim since the MM's cannot directly choose who to kill. Therefore, you are just as safe claiming than not claiming. The claim will help make the puzzle clear.

How many have claimed?

Mind hand me a list because the day 1 apparently is a quite terrible lynch for me.

5 pages talk, 1 man lynched, I mean, day 1?

[louiswill]

Fatalis is Town, can't determine Ika's alignment 100% until everyone else has posted.

You would just put bet on people without their claim, then why must I claim?

You also said ika is 100% massmurder,

the only one knows if ika is massmurderer is the other mass murderer.

Let me bet you are not, you basically betted again.

Last sfm you did the same, you betted right but costed my life.

What's this time? would we be so lucky again?

[louiswill]

I'd rather say, before mass claim, we should first agree upon a town list.

Mine:
Detective
Coroner
Doctor
Tpr/Citizen
Citizen
Citizen
Citizen

So I'd say there are 3 - 4 citizens in this game. and 3 - 4 Tpr.

Ika died without some good struggle,
so obviously, if ika is tpr he is gamethrowing.

Because ika is not gamethrowing so ika is either Citizen/Amnesiac/Mass Murder

And for any mass claim to be effective, you have to find way to deal with Amnesiac too.

[powerofdeath]

Hello everyone! When I woke up, right after the hammer, I wanted to stop the lynch because I was very convinced that Ika is a doctor. He been softing doctor and we all know that Ika HATES being a doctor. As I was reading through the day and I was like oh shit Ika is a doctor, and it was too late because Slaol hammered.

[42shadow42]

-vote Ika

Pre-rolecard hammer

Okay that was totally uncalled for, I clearly requested the hammer out from under spirit for a reason. I lied yesterday that I was an energetic citizen, I had intended to fix my claim with the hammer seeing as I'd have a way to hide. Everyone be thankful I didn't die last night with my false claim.

I would like to point out that nick was town i expect most you knew that already, but just in case you didn't.

Next I would like to announce I was not visited by a mass murderer last night, I chose to stay at home.

Finally I would like to place my vote on Slaol.

-vote Slaolamander

[Orpz]

How many have claimed?

Mind hand me a list because the day 1 apparently is a quite terrible lynch for me.

5 pages talk, 1 man lynched, I mean, day 1?

ika was lynched becaused he refused to put up any defense to insignificant accusations. I didn't intend to lynch him, but he was hammered by the time I woke up.

[Orpz]

Hello everyone! When I woke up, right after the hammer, I wanted to stop the lynch because I was very convinced that Ika is a doctor. He been softing doctor and we all know that Ika HATES being a doctor. As I was reading through the day and I was like oh shit Ika is a doctor, and it was too late because Slaol hammered.

where was he softing that?

[louiswill]

oh crab, so Amnesiac can never become town.

[louiswill]

Yea, suddenly everyone confesses they did not go for the lynch.

I mean, come on, you are Pod and Orpz, put it together already.

and what is the slaolhammer thing? Smurf?

[powerofdeath]

Fatalis - Energetic Citizen
Orpz - Coroner
42shadow42 - Energetic Citizen
Nick - Doctor
PoD - Energetic Citizen
SpiritFryer - Detective
Banshis - Detective
nopro - Detective
Vantas - Doctor

Unclaimed:
Ika
Louiswill
Slaol
Citrus

[powerofdeath]

I would like to have all detective post their results so town can prove the detectives are legit.

[louiswill]

Anyway, before we outrageously retaliate and lynch a person from day 1 train,

I want to ask a obvious question first:

Are Mass Murderer under pressure to push mislynch?

b/c if not then we shouldn't take day 1 train overly serious

b/c only crabby jester-ready amnesiac would go for the lynch.


ALSO, we have 3 amnesiac who are capable to become jester/mm only, and none of you see the possible hammer coming?

Good Riddles!

[louiswill]

Fatalis - Energetic Citizen
Orpz - Coroner
42shadow42 - Energetic Citizen
Nick - Doctor
PoD - Energetic Citizen
SpiritFryer - Detective
Banshis - Detective
nopro - Detective
Vantas - Doctor

Unclaimed:
Ika
Louiswill
Slaol
Citrus

Thanks +2 town read.

[louiswill]

Orpz is coroner, and says ika is mass murderer w/o retraction, so he must be correct then.
No counter claim also.

But just in case host being a weirdo and did not put any coroner in role list:
On the contrary, if he isn't correct, we should put him to the first slot of Amnesiac->Jester/MM.

Agreement anyone?

[42shadow42]

Fatalis - Energetic Citizen
Orpz - Coroner
42shadow42 - Coroner
Nick - Doctor
PoD - Energetic Citizen
SpiritFryer - Detective
Banshis - Detective
nopro - Detective
Vantas - Doctor

Unclaimed:
Ika
Louiswill
Slaol
Citrus

Sorry, I seem to have missed my correction in the previous post. I have done it here.

[powerofdeath]

No im not enrgade if you want to see my rage go see fm 18. As for the latter, they are much higher skilled then me so yes, their words are law BMPOV.



How? cry like a baby and plead to not be lynched? no. I rather be lynched day 1 then at endgame for silly reasons. I tried to poin out a possible MM and i get shit apoun. So no.

No, im statin in this game the MMs have to bascily claim Detective or Cit. After that its just a matter of coordinating actions of who visits who. MMs have to either
A) follow it and edventually be outed
B) a role (detective) sees they do not vist who they were assigned and gets outed

@spirt:
1) somone said 3 detecive claims, i assumed the did not belive it
2) -.-
3) See 1, as for the latter, yes it is how i ussaly play tbh. but you are right on the last part, it is no act this time around.

Usally I make:
A) a mass of WIFOM in games to confuse the fuck out of people (which also involves many gambits)
B) straightfoward as possible (but not very often)

I think if we it didnt go like this, you could see me at a better play, but the fact it went like this basicly demoralized and demotivated me

@nick: 1 only works in sem or open stetups. If this was entire closed (no roles even known) then it is less likely to be broken by mass role call
2) if a sheriff can find scums then no, if a sherif is nerfed to only have one result (naive/paranoid), then yes i would find it pointless.
See FM21 where i as doc took no action for night one, you know why? b/c i didnt trust anyone on day 1 to heal, scums had chances of cross fire so me healing may screw that up.

Yes i have many games and hosting experince, but tbh this game is so limited on roles that it can easily be broken by mass rolecall.

In more gigantic fms, a game with many roles or mechanics, roles that flpi something else, it is worse off to try mass role call

Ika is referring to FMs where he was doctor: Fm 18 and FM 21
He stated that he is raging like he would have as a doctor.
etc.

This playstyle is definitely not ika scum play. Ika is definitely town here, most likely a doctor.

[42shadow42]

Orpz is coroner, and says ika is mass murderer w/o retraction, so he must be correct then.
No counter claim also.

But just in case host being a weirdo and did not put any coroner in role list:
On the contrary, if he isn't correct, we should put him to the first slot of Amnesiac->Jester/MM.

Agreement anyone?

On the contrary Orpz was merely suggesting it, even as coroner he had no way of knowing.

[louiswill]

2 doctor claims, so even if one of them is lying, we shouldn't risk a possible doctor lynch. So Nick and Vantas are left alone.

Eng Citizen claims, numbers are in range. I can afford it.

Then the detectives,
well. Looks like, as Pod said, we should wait for the feedbacks first.

For unclaimers, also 4 people.

So the first division would be Detective + Unclaimed

Due to the invisible graveyard problem,

I think we should first confirm detective, but from one night result, it would be Hard.

So we would first force every detective reports and then lynch a unclaimed person.

Agreement?

[louiswill]

On the contrary Orpz was merely suggesting it, even as coroner he had no way of knowing.

Then what would Coroner do last night?

There is a dead body in graveyard.

There is only one job....

And you are coroner too?

Great, any contrast report on that,

or at least, a good reason not to report?

[louiswill]

Ika is referring to FMs where he was doctor: Fm 18 and FM 21
He stated that he is raging like he would have as a doctor.
etc.

This playstyle is definitely not ika scum play. Ika is definitely town here, most likely a doctor.

Good reads, but I'd rather hear from more reliable sources such as coroner, except if they failed their only one job.

[42shadow42]

Then what would Coroner do last night?

There is a dead body in graveyard.

There is only one job....



And you are coroner too?

Great, any contrast report on that,

or at least, a good reason not to report?

Coroner reveals all detective results for the dead player.

[powerofdeath]

2 doctor claims, so even if one of them is lying, we shouldn't risk a possible doctor lynch. So Nick and Vantas are left alone.

Eng Citizen claims, numbers are in range. I can afford it.

Then the detectives,
well. Looks like, as Pod said, we should wait for the feedbacks first.

For unclaimers, also 4 people.

So the first division would be Detective + Unclaimed

Due to the invisible graveyard problem,

I think we should first confirm detective, but from one night result, it would be Hard.

So we would first force every detective reports and then lynch a unclaimed person.

Agreement?

Just claim please...

[louiswill]

oh damn it.....so coroner can not learn role directly...

/facepalm

This is harder than I thought.

[louiswill]

Just claim please...

Since there are 4 peep who did not claim, I refuse to claim till L-1.

But since I already think lynch a unclaimed is a good process according to claim.

I would soft vote Citrus, bc ika is dead and assuming slaol hammered because he wanted to become a jester.

-vote Citrus

[louiswill]

I think this game emphasis the responsibility of towns.

So if you are not active, don't vote on L-2

And if active & nonsuspicious, hammer when see it fit.

[louiswill]

Possible role List, Assuming Wifom is useless for claimed town:

MM1 ika/Louiswill/Citrus
MM2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro

Det SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Coroner 42shadow42/Orpz
Doc Vantas/Nick
Tpr/EngCit Vantas/Nick/Louiswill/Citrus
EngCit Fatalis
EngCit Pod
EngCit Louiswill/Citrus

Amn 1 Slaol(Jester)
Amn 2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Amn 3 Vantas/Nick/Louiswill/Citrus

[louiswill]

Possible role List, Assuming Wifom is useless for claimed town:

MM1 ika/Louiswill/Citrus
MM2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro

Det SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Coroner 42shadow42/Orpz
Doc Vantas/Nick
Tpr/EngCit Vantas/Nick/Louiswill/Citrus
EngCit Fatalis
EngCit Pod
EngCit ika/Louiswill/Citrus

Amn 1 Slaol(Jester)
Amn 2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Amn 3 ikaVantas/Nick/Louiswill/Citrus

Upgraded.

[Banshis]

Can't talk for long, but I followed Nopro and apparently Nopro visited me.

[powerofdeath]

Possible role List, Assuming Wifom is useless for claimed town:

MM1 ika/Louiswill/Citrus
MM2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro

Det SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Coroner 42shadow42/Orpz
Doc Vantas/Nick
Tpr/EngCit Vantas/Nick/Louiswill/Citrus
EngCit Fatalis
EngCit Pod
EngCit ika/Louiswill/Citrus

Amn 1 Slaol(Jester)
Amn 2 SpiritFryer/Banshis/nopro
Amn 3 ikaVantas/Nick/Louiswill/Citrus

Upgraded.

Slaol cannot be a jester unless ika is town.

Can't talk for long, but I followed Nopro and apparently Nopro visited me.

Well that took care of 2 results. All we need to do is wait for the third result.