S-FM 136: Sherlock Holmes

[NoctiZ]

Google translate agrees with Louis's claim on the meaning of the Chinese sentence, as well as the symbols those "chinglish" sounds represent.

Guess that's fine then, just unnecessarily complicated.

[Orpz]

I can confirm Louiswill's asian symbols. Lynch 42Shadow.

[louiswill]

K based on claims, and assume Pod is town because Amnesiac's auto vest Vs coincidence of double kill
He has to be really unlucky to die as Amnesiac,
similar logic as Nick, but weaker because it is night 2.



Det SpiritFryer+1
Det nopro +2
Det Citrus +3
Det Banshis + 0
Coroner 42shadow42+3 / Orpz+3 (Fake claim X 1)
Doc Nick +50
EngCit Pod + 25
Doc NoctiZ / EngCit ika/Louiswill -1/Fatalis -1 (Fake Claim X1)


Amn 1 Slaol(Pinned Jester)
MM1/Amn 2 ika/NoctiZ/42shadow42+3 /Orpz+3/Louiswill -1/Fatalis -1
MM2/Amn 3 ika/NoctiZ/42shadow42+3 /Orpz+3/Louiswill -1/Fatalis -1

Banshis -1 for not cooperating the planned encrypting.
Citrus and Spiritfryer/nopro get +2 for non contradicting results.
Orpz and Shadow42 have conflicted result, so combine their slot.
Louiswill and Fatalis get conpressed because of increasing detective non contradiction.
According to feedback, no one was attacked and healed, so NoctiZ remain 0


Result:
Assume ika is a town
at least 2 fake claimers among NoctiZ, Louiswill, Fatalis, Shadow42, Orpz
1 finished scum Slaol

So weird thing is: We don't have enough Scum claims no more?

5 scums, only 3 people can fit? Lmao.

Something is off I couldn't tell.

But follow that educated assumption

It has to be
1. both louiswill and Fatalis are scum,
or,
2. both Orpz and 42shadow42 are scum,
and
3. the doctor isn't there too.

So let me guess,
2(Coroner/EngCit) + 1(Coroner/EngCit) + 1(doc) + slaol = 5

Good deal,
now we should argue lynch order.

Basically, it is a good risk to lynch those bastards.

[louiswill]

louis, your encryption is just not very effective if we have to believe your word and there isn't an easy way for us to confirm what you are claiming.

./put on sunglasses

Deal with it. Fake doctor.

[louiswill]

Because I'm EngCit, so in my eyes

5 scums = Slaol, Oprz, Shadow42, Fatalis, NoctiZ

So host put 4 detective and no coroner, Lmao, good setup, awesome X3

[louiswill]

Lynch order for me, based on my read credits

Fatalis-1, NoctiZ+0, 42shadow42+3, Orpz+3, Slaol(Jester)

[louiswill]

good job scums shadow and orpz, credit stolen well.

[Orpz]

Because I'm EngCit, so in my eyes

5 scums = Slaol, Oprz, Shadow42, Fatalis, NoctiZ

So host put 4 detective and no coroner, Lmao, good setup, awesome X3

0 sense made, 0 fucks given

though shadow and slaol are probably scum. maybe noctiz too.

[louiswill]

but I feel shadow42 is acting a bit more jester today, plus he voted me yesterday too.
I guess he also becomes jester.


Fatalis-1(more MM than Jest), NoctiZ+0(more MM than Jest), Orpz+3(more MM than Jest), 42shadow42+3(Jester), Slaol(Jester)

Now that's more like it.

-vote Fatalis

It is you or me now, Bro.

[nopro]

I'm going to sleep soon. So here's my vote:

-vote Fatalis

Reason: He visited Slaol last night when he got some attention for beeing scum. That would make Slaol a likely target of mm, which an EC should avoid.

[louiswill]

0 sense made, 0 fucks given

though shadow and slaol are probably scum. maybe noctiz too.

You don't need sense now, scum.

We don't know people, but we know the seats must be filled logically.

[Orpz]

Fatalis was first to claim. He is not scum.

[louiswill]

sheeeeeeet, I hope I'm a detective too so that I can confirm myself with others by visiting the same target.

Maybe host made 4 detective because he wants to see a massacre when 4 detective went into a bar.

Now, that is a sick host!

[louiswill]

Fatalis was first to claim. He is not scum.

Seats must be filled. Unless you can come up a different version?

You still have the highest town read and 3rd place in lynch order, so go for it, give it a nice try.

[louiswill]

The other version to be is that the detective lies to cover each other but that would break the encrypt system.

Pretty much, that is Sherlock Holmes would agree.

[Orpz]

Seats must be filled. Unless you can come up a different version?

You still have the highest town read and 3rd place in lynch order, so go for it, give it a nice try.

MM - ika
MM - 42Shadow
Amnes - Slaol
Amnes - nopro
Amnes - Citrus

[louiswill]

Or,
ika is a scum/Nick is a scum/Pod is a scum

0 fuck is given because it is unlikely.




Oh wait...I see...That could be the coincidence....hmm...

But there still have to be 3-4, more likely, 4 fake claims among the 5 people.

[louiswill]

MM - ika
MM - 42Shadow
Amnes - Slaol
Amnes - nopro
Amnes - Citrus

How do you explain Citrus get a correct answer assume he can not hack the encrypted message?

[louiswill]

4 out of 5, my seats are the most likely correct one. Just brace your fate.

Our best shot is to lynch MM before enter the Jester zone.

g2g Dine in hall.

[Orpz]

How do you explain Citrus get a correct answer assume he can not hack the encrypted message?

Must have missed that. Didn't pay attention to the other encryptions other than yours after Shadow revealed wrong feedback.

[SpiritFryer]

Spoiler : N2 Actions :

1. louiswill (Energetic Citizen) - Visited Noctiz (Vantas).

2. SpiritFryer (Detective) - Visited Fatalis. Fatalis visited Slaol. Confirms with 5. nopro/7. Citrus.

3. Fatalis (Energetic Citizen) - Encrypted.

4. 42shadow42 (Coroner) - Nick visited Banshis N1. Location of autopsy not given.

5. nopro (Detective) - Visited Fatalis. Fatalis visited Slaol. Confirms with 2. SpiritFryer/7. Citrus.

6. Orpz (Coroner) - Nick visited Orpz N1. Autopsy performed at Citrus.

7. Citrus (Detective) - Visited Fatalis. Fatalis visited Slaol. Confirms with 2. SpiritFryer/5. nopro.

8. Noctiz (Doctor) - Visited SpiritFryer.

Slaol (???) and Banshis (Detective) nothing yet.

Added 1. louiswill (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post452917)

"I went to V's house, yesterday
V = vantas"

I will post updated reads, MM N2 visit hypothesis, and cast my vote now.

It would be good if Fatalis could post the password.

[SpiritFryer]

Spoiler : My current reads/beliefs :

Scummiest

Slaol - Amnesiac/Jester/MM confirmed.
42shadow42 - Amnesiac/Jester/MM confirmed. (fake encrypted feedback, contradiction with Orpz)

louiswill - Energetic Citizen
Fatalis - Energetic Citizen
Noctiz - Doctor

ika (DEAD) - ??? (Energetic Citizen?)
Orpz - Coroner

powerofdeath (DEAD) - Energetic Citizen confirmed (see below).
Banshis - Detective confirmed with nopro/SpiritFryer.
nopro - Detective confirmed with Citrus/SpiritFryer.
Citrus - Detective confirmed with nopro/SpiritFryer.
Nick (DEAD) - Doctor confirmed since died N1.
SpiritFryer - Detective confirmed with Citrus/nopro.

Towniest

Guesses:
ika - town (Energetic Citizen) guess because we only got one kill N2. If ika was not town, then there would be more MMs (Slaol would be MM instead of Jester read), and there would likely be more kills

Orpz - coroner guess because he is the only coroner claimer, and I believe there to be a coroner. He followed the town plan. Tomorrow he can prove himself further.

powerofdeath town confirmed because he can only die N2 as scum if he was amnesiac who was attacked both N1 and N2. ALSO: If he lost his vest N1, then he would visit ika N2 hoping ika was scum, and thus becoming MM.

OoO:
1. All Movement
2. Healing / Jester Immunity
3. Conversion
4. Kills
5. Sleuthing / Autopsies

So if ika AND pod were scum, then pod would not have died, as N2 he would've become MM before getting attacked.
Hence, pod at least was confirmed town.

By principal of exclusion (and besides, they were suspicious anyway), the following three are the missing scum: louiswill, Fatalis, Noctiz.

[Orpz]

Are you telling me all 3 of you guys visited Fatalis?

at least tell me everyone proved themselves using encryption

[louiswill]

That's right Spiritfryer, now you have yo decide your lynch order.

Are you telling me all 3 of you guys visited Fatalis?

at least tell me everyone proved themselves using encryption

2late to discuss that, but since you asked.

I ask you back, in what way Encrypted claims with a key given later can be not proven, assuming no one hacks the message?

[louiswill]

spiritfryer got 42shadow24's so shadow planned ahead.

Shadow is more likely a jester who wants to get hanged.
---
Because he plans ahead for the possible scum read.

[Banshis]

Louiswill told the truth. I tracked him to Vantas last night. Now I don't think PoD would have visited Vantas imo and I feel like Louiswill is a citizen

[Banshis]

-vote 42shadow42

Going with Orpz's lead because if Nick died n1 by visiting me then nopro and spiritfryer would have died.

[Banshis]

spiritfryer got 42shadow24's so shadow planned ahead.

Shadow is more likely a jester who wants to get hanged.
---
Because he plans ahead for the possible scum read.

We have to take risks now since we didn't lynch yesterday. Reason because we gave amnesiacs more time to become jesters by no lynching yesterday.

[42shadow42]

Actually Banshis has to be Detective. Me and nopro checked him last night and saw him to have visited nopro and he said that nopro visited him. This was before either of us claimed our feedbacks. Dayum. 4 Detectives confirmed with undeniable proof.

Mass Murderers are also detective amirite? Also I would really like Slaol to claim because either Slaol is a ​doctor who saved Citrus? or Citrus got retardedly lucky? or there was host feedback error?

[42shadow42]

Actually Banshis has to be Detective. Me and nopro checked him last night and saw him to have visited nopro and he said that nopro visited him. This was before either of us claimed our feedbacks. Dayum. 4 Detectives confirmed with undeniable proof.

Mass Murderers are also detective amirite? Also I would really like Slaol to claim because either Slaol is a ​doctor who saved Citrus? or Citrus got retardedly lucky? or there was host feedback error?

[42shadow42]

Oh wow.... That spam op.

[SpiritFryer]

Spoiler : N2 Actions missing Fatalis/Slaol :

1. louiswill (Energetic Citizen) - Visited Noctiz (Vantas).

2. SpiritFryer (Detective) - Visited Fatalis. Fatalis visited Slaol. Confirms with 5. nopro/7. Citrus.

3. Fatalis (Energetic Citizen) - Encrypted.

4. 42shadow42 (Coroner) - Nick visited Banshis N1. Location of autopsy not given.

5. nopro (Detective) - Visited Fatalis. Fatalis visited Slaol. Confirms with 2. SpiritFryer/7. Citrus.

6. Orpz (Coroner) - Nick visited Orpz N1. Autopsy performed at Citrus.

7. Citrus (Detective) - Visited Fatalis. Fatalis visited Slaol. Confirms with 2. SpiritFryer/5. nopro.

8. Noctiz (Doctor) - Visited SpiritFryer.

9. Banshis (Detective) - Visited Louiswill. Louiswill visited Noctiz (Vantas).

Slaol (???) posted nothing.

Added 9. Banshis (https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...l=1#post452951)

So my scum list is (in no particular order): Slaol, 42shadow42, louiswill, Fatalis, Noctiz.

Slaol: Jester all game.
42shadow42: Almost as strong Jester as Slaol.
Louiswill: Trying to be town.
Fatalis: Active yesterday, today posted encrypted feedback then vanished. Might be a clever Jester ploy.
Noctiz: Doctor. A Jester would never claim doctor as especially in this setup, false feedback cannot be proven to be false. Jester needs to claim something like Detective and get proven to be a liar. He gives me the lowest Jester vibe.

My lynch order might change tomorrow, but for today, I would go with Noctiz.

Please give me your insight on my analysis and follow suit if you agree.

Make haste, as time is ticking!

-vote Noctiz

[Banshis]

Mass Murderers are also detective amirite? Also I would really like Slaol to claim because either Slaol is a ​doctor who saved Citrus? or Citrus got retardedly lucky? or there was host feedback error?

Wow just rechecked Mass Murderer and ur right. 4 Detectives would be insane. Thing is Orpz and ur information still contradict meaning one of you two is scum.

[SpiritFryer]

Wow just rechecked Mass Murderer and ur right. 4 Detectives would be insane. Thing is Orpz and ur information still contradict meaning one of you two is scum.

FUCK. Completely forgot about that. And we don't have time. Back to the drawing board. -___-

[louiswill]

We have to take risks now since we didn't lynch yesterday. Reason because we gave amnesiacs more time to become jesters by no lynching yesterday.

Agreed but we should try to decide who is more likely a jester and who is more likely a mass murderer based on their act first.

We know there has to be at least 1 fake coroner and 1 fake citizen,

but if we lynched a jester and one town suicide, if the two mm kill two that night we will lose majority because we lose 3 towns.

The least risk is to lynch a mm, and the last mm failed to kill more than 1 people.
(considering they already failed at increase their KPN over 1, 2 nights in a row already.)

Even if amnesiac become mm, we just keep hang the them we will be fine, as long as the last mm failed to kill more than 2.

If amnesiac wants to become jester now by visiting Nick, we have so many detective we can surely have a good chance detecting that.

I suggest we lynch Fatalis, who is most likely MM, but if you think 42shadow24 should go first. I can comply to majority opinion.

[Banshis]

Wow just rechecked Mass Murderer and ur right. 4 Detectives would be insane. Thing is Orpz and ur information still contradict meaning one of you two is scum.

Hmm, but still 3 of them visited the same target and I know I am a detective so they would have died if one of them was a mass murderer. Unless the mass murderer is trying to prevent claiming into the detectives because of all the claims and he wants lynches to happen within them.

[SpiritFryer]

nopro and me visited Banshis, so we are either BOTH SCUM or NEITHER SCUM.

Me, nopro and Citrus all visited Fatalis. So we are either ALL SCUM or NONE SCUM.

Ok the only thing this changes is that Banshis is not confirmed Detective any longer. Unless you really think that me, nopro and Citrus all magically got the same feedback on the same person.

[SpiritFryer]

Unless you really think that me, nopro and Citrus all magically got the same feedback on the same person.

If you think we are scum, and assuming we did all visit Fatalis (as scum), then you must believe that we somehow all decided to claim he visited Slaol. OR WE ARE ALL THREE OF US MMs AND DID SEE HIM VISIT SLAOL.

Do you really think that though?

[SpiritFryer]

Spoiler : My current reads/beliefs :

Scummiest

Slaol - Amnesiac/Jester/MM confirmed.
42shadow42 - Amnesiac/Jester/MM confirmed. (fake encrypted feedback, contradiction with Orpz)

louiswill - Energetic Citizen
Fatalis - Energetic Citizen
Noctiz - Doctor

ika (DEAD) - ??? (Energetic Citizen?)
Orpz - Coroner
Banshis - Detective confirmed with nopro/SpiritFryer, but never actually visited together with us. May be MM.

powerofdeath (DEAD) - Energetic Citizen confirmed (see below).
nopro - Detective confirmed with Citrus/SpiritFryer.
Citrus - Detective confirmed with nopro/SpiritFryer.
Nick (DEAD) - Doctor confirmed since died N1.
SpiritFryer - Detective confirmed with Citrus/nopro.

Towniest

With time running out, I think I will switch vote to Fatalis.

-vote Fatalis

[SpiritFryer]

@Citrus, Banshis, Orpz: We really need an MM lynch today. Fatalis L-2.

[Orpz]

so gay wtf

lynch 42Shadow and I'll coroner to see who he really visited

[Orpz]

@Citrus, Banshis, Orpz: We really need an MM lynch today. Fatalis L-2.

Shadow is L-3 and more likely MM. I refuse to believe Fatalis is scum because he was the first to role claim.

[louiswill]

so gay wtf

lynch 42Shadow and I'll coroner to see who he really visited

Both you and shadow do it to fatalis, Again.

we will see.

If there is only one coroner then pretty much the one can just lie as much as they want if detective revealed their results every day.
But we apparently have no option at this point.

You lucky bastard.

[SpiritFryer]

Shadow is L-3 and more likely MM. I refuse to believe Fatalis is scum because he was the first to role claim.

It's easy to be the first person to claim when you claim shitizen.

About shadow though, I am just scared he really is Jester. Maybe you are right. Maybe he is MM and to evade getting pwnt by the encrypt claims, he switched to Jester mode.

I will switch my vote to him if he gets to L-1. Otherwise, go Fatalis.

Both you and shadow do it to fatalis, Again.

we will see.

If there is only one coroner then pretty much the one can just lie as much as they want if detective revealed their results every day.
But we apparently have no option at this point.

You lucky bastard.

Good plan. Switch to Fatalis, Orpz. Let's have another contest between you and 42shadow42 tomorrow.

You have nothing to worry about.

Time is of the essence. :P

[louiswill]

In that sense, both you and shadow are scum but shadow become jester so he broke the line first.

Anyway,

4 detective

Night 1 Banshis not at home, Nopro and Spiritfryer meet at Banshis, so if true then Nopro/Spiritfryer are not MM.
Night 2 3 detective same result. Citrus, Nopro, Fatalis are not MM if true.

The chance they lie a coincident N2 lie is so thin that the 3 detectives are confirmed.

Because they are confirmed, so N1 makes Banshis being honest of Nopro is so fucking high. Or Banshis is insanly lucky got two correct guess in a row.

So we have 4 detective.

To the coroner, nothing like that.

How are you going to confirm a sole coroner? by detective hide their result and see if coroner be able to call it alright on a target dets previously visit. The time isn't give us for it is more likely we are going to lose majority if unlucky.

So possible both coroner are fake? Yes, however, not so much.
The point is, how are we going to detect that? Same as above.

So Fatalis flip MM and then, Shadow and Orpz can keep operate their clinic and see who guessed right more,
or,
like I think, they will both get wrong result.

There are 5 scum seats, we need to fill 5 scums in it, even with ika being a scum, still need more people to fill in.

4 confirmed detective are our advantage, use it wisely, but that is only as far as we can go.

[42shadow42]

Okay, Spirit you are playing this up ridiculously. You keep using the word think in your defense, of course I think it sounds completely retarded, but I know what feedback I received.

Unless you can come up with something I missed, then there is nothing else to be uncovered. Based on my feedback which I know to be true. (Pending Question to the Host), then I Know that BOTH Spirit and Nopro are Mass Murderers. It also appears that Citrus is also a Mass Murderer, unless of course Slaol is a doctor.

In summary, I would like to present this quote.

If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

[Orpz]

Scum don't fake claim first, ever. Fatalis is confirmed town.

And that's retarded, another "contest" tomorrow would prove what? "OMG THEY HAVE CONTRASTING RESULTS AGAIN". 0 Progress whatsoever.

[Orpz]

Especially as the first post of the day, in a random'd town setup, without explanation.

[Fatalis]

EnCt2cf715336245f1e665eaf7339ea1fd71acf9e155acf715 336245f1e665eaf73395WkvLJb/zwO
x+h8UvlOTyqPmQeVLvbZBE1s8N3e7UexrO/E=IwEmS

Lol

slaol being likely jester makes him a terrible choice for MM
who would visit a fucking jester?

password: SLAOL

[Fatalis]

also all 3 detectives visited me? are you serious?